View Full Version : Why do the stippers rarely approach me? Age/Looks or something else?
All Good Things
10-28-2007, 11:26 AM
^ This is an excellent explanation.
Mast has a point, though. Judging by the comments here, the industry as a whole does seem to be devolving away from a customer-centric service. (Notice that I consider this development to be a devolution :-\ )
It's only happened to me once, and I wrote about it in bemused tones on here. But that outcome has less to do with me personally than with the fact that I'm very picky about which clubs I frequent, and am fortunate to have a lot of guidance from other people to help me get there.
I do regret not taking the group to Spearmint Rhino in Vegas for SF I. It's the only club I've been to where it actually feels like you are standing outside in a torrential downpour of incredibly beautiful women.
GentlemanX
10-28-2007, 11:49 AM
^ This is an excellent explanation.
Judging by the comments here, the industry as a whole does seem to be devolving away from a customer-centric service. (Notice that I consider this development to be a devolution :-\ )...
I do regret not taking the group to Spearmint Rhino in Vegas for SF I. It's the only club I've been to where it actually feels like you are standing outside in a torrential downpour of incredibly beautiful women.
Wow. This is the most arrogant comment I have ever heard regarding a strip club. There are girls dancing naked or topless for your entertainment and 007 has the audacity to complain about the lack of customer service with his nose being held highly in the air. For me, a girl dancing topless shows great "customer service" as 007 puts it. Now, in addition to that, he is looking for some other vague qualities to further enhance his customer centric experience. What next? Should girls come out with giant palm leaves and begin fanning him as he sits down?
Poor 007 though. Unless there is a torrential downpour of incredibly beautiful women, he just hasn't gotten his money's worth. It seems like his definition of dancer's being "customer centric" is directly proportional to how hot they are. So, two dancers doing the exact same thing would score differently on his customer centric rating based on his standards of beauty, not whatever they were doing. The point here is that 007 just sets arbitrary standards of customer service so he can be snooty but in reality he is just judging girls on their looks. That's fine, but don't pretend like you are something you aren't.
Jenny
10-28-2007, 11:53 AM
There are girls dancing naked or topless for your entertainment and 007 has the audacity to complain about the lack of customer service with his nose being held highly in the air. For me, a girl dancing topless shows great "customer service" as 007 puts it. Now, in addition to that, he is looking for some other vague qualities to further enhance his customer centric experience. What next? Should girls come out with giant palm leaves and begin fanning him as he sits down?
I think he meant something a little more run of the mill - like the standard expectation of guys here seems to be that girls approach them to sell them dances.
But I thank you for your commentary on our job performance. I think guys here can be a little hard on girls as well.
All Good Things
10-28-2007, 11:59 AM
^ I notice you clipped the paragraph where I said it was less about me personally than the fact I got excellent guidance from other people.
Comments about the lack of customer service have been posted in abundance throughout this thread. I'm just agreeing with the trend, that's all.
If you've read me at all on this board, you'll know that I have a strong preference for the smartest girl in the club. The reason I regret not taking the group to SR in Vegas was that the experience for them may have been more fun.
Did you get out of bed on the wrong side this morning? You seem irritated at me for reasons that are not justified by what I'm actually writing. Just curious.
GentlemanX
10-28-2007, 12:02 PM
Yeah, it just seems to bother me when people expect to be greeted by the one they percieve as the hottest dancer in the place and to have that dancer bend over backwards to make them happy. I just go walk up to the dancers that I like and introduce myself. It's much easier that way. There's no way that she can tell I'm interested just by seeing me sitting in the chair. If I just waited to be approached I'd be frustrated all the time and maybe grumbling about poor "customer service" like some kind of douchebag.
It's funny how 007 thinks service is "devolving" as if there is some highly technical economic model that he is basing his opinion on. The reality is that guys have always liked to drool over hot women and will continue to do so regardless of the percieved decline in services by some.
Adrenaline
10-28-2007, 12:09 PM
Geez, strip clubs really aren't that complicated. It takes all the fun out of it :D Show up with a wad of cash, be friendly, and relax.... it all works itself out.
Some customers find the complications (and intrigue, sometimes) to be a large part of the charm :)
I understand the "drool" concept on the rare occasions I am at a club with a bunch of hoopin and holldering friends. But generally, I have found a more reserved and professional approach to be more effective.
FBR
GentlemanX
10-28-2007, 04:52 PM
^ You seem irritated at me for reasons that are not justified by what I'm actually writing. Just curious.
Typically, I would not respond to anyone else who had made that comment. However, TOO is constantly running other guys down in other threads for not meeting his standards of chivalrous conduct. To see him demand customer service from girls who are already naked for his viewing pleasure just seems to me to be completely boorish and not in line with the lofty standards he imposes on others. That's all. eh.
All Good Things
10-28-2007, 06:06 PM
To see him demand customer service from girls who are already naked for his viewing pleasure just seems to me to be completely boorish and not in line with the lofty standards he imposes on others. That's all. eh.
But that's not what I said. Go read the original post again. The one you were responding to with your first barrage. No wait, I'll save you the effort. Here is the only sentence dealing with "customer service." Note I am actually citing the comments by others in the thread, not making any additional ones of my own:
Judging by the comments here, the industry as a whole does seem to be devolving away from a customer-centric service.
I also later point out that there's only been a single occasion when dancers have not approached me. I can't imagine how that could be interpreted as a complaint about customer service!
In a later post, after you had taken me to task for something I hadn't said, I did state I that agreed with the other posters, largely based on my experience reading and interacting with them. It has decidedly not been my own personal experience, which I thought my "only happened to me once" story made abundantly clear.
You're welcome to interpret my comments any way you wish, and write anything you wish, but it's a huge stretch to write a barrage against me on the basis of something I never said. :)
LapOfLuxury
10-28-2007, 06:31 PM
Typically, I would not respond to anyone else who had made that comment. However, TOO is constantly running other guys down in other threads for not meeting his standards of chivalrous conduct. To see him demand customer service from girls who are already naked for his viewing pleasure just seems to me to be completely boorish and not in line with the lofty standards he imposes on others. That's all. eh.
Hey, lay off TOO! He's my main man crush right now.:flower::heartbeat:couple::hug:
All Good Things
10-28-2007, 07:13 PM
^ The best I can do is a threesome with Nicolina. She chooses, though. And there are about 3,000 people in that line, and not a single one of them is there for me. :-\
jaizaine
10-28-2007, 07:27 PM
There is nothing wrong with TOO wanting to see beautiful women when he goes to a SC isn't that why guys go there? Im sure if SC's were full of less than attractive women then SC's would loose their appeal. It's about fantasy not reality.
A customer once said to me that he has cellulite waiting for him at home (not a very nice comment about his wife or the dancer he was insulting by saying that).
As for customer service: one of the things that makes men like SC's is that for once they usually don't have to do the approaching. It's the exact opposite to the dating scene where it's usually the men doing the approaching. In the SC us dancers usually do the approaching. Although I don't because that is very anxiety provoking for me. I take a pay-cut because of this but it's the only way I can handle the job.
OdysseusNJ
10-28-2007, 11:17 PM
one of the things that makes men like SC's is that for once they usually don't have to do the approaching. It's the exact opposite to the dating scene where it's usually the men doing the approaching.
That's actually really perceptive. Also your avatar is gorgeous.
TOO's avatar is kickass as well, I'm not even going to comment on the content of that discussion but GentlemanX you should at least get some kind of Goldfinger avatar or something if you're going to go toe to toe.
Please don't mind me, I'm all about avatars tonight.
AudreyLeigh
11-09-2007, 12:41 PM
I would have gone up to you. I try to go up to every single guy in the club at one time or another throughout the night.
I can understand how you dont want to get up and find the girl. Its almost like what we say... this is HER JOB. She should DO IT. Her job is to hustle you and you know this. Ive had guys tell me at the end of the night - I wanted you and I saw you standing over there in the corner and you didnt approach me. I had money to spend and you lost it.
It seems rude but its true. I was being lax - not doing my job and lost money out of it. Sure it irritated me that he said it like that. I should have been more on the ball... he just wanted to prove a point.
Like when I go into Bebe and they dont help me and ignore me. Ill find one cheap thing... and when I go to pay for it be sure I open my wallet and they see all the money I had to spend that they didnt make in commission because they ignored me.
Pretty_Penny
11-09-2007, 01:13 PM
i don't approach young guys often either, unless they tip me well at stage or kindly ask me to join them.
i'm sorry if i sound bitter, but i've had my time wasted by waayyyy too many young guys. plenty of them just want you to sit/hangout/drink/whatever for free. they also tend to be (on a whole) more rude. i mostly avoid them to protect myself from getting discouraged/irritated.
i -have- met a few great young guys, but i'd be lying if i told you they were the majority.
so in short:
unless i am really desperate.....
young guys have to kind of "prove themselves" first before i'll consider coming over.
VegasPrincess
11-11-2007, 07:39 PM
maybe you didn't look interested?
salsa4ever
11-13-2007, 06:29 PM
Like when I go into Bebe and they dont help me and ignore me. Ill find one cheap thing... and when I go to pay for it be sure I open my wallet and they see all the money I had to spend that they didnt make in commission because they ignored me.
LOL I do that too! I was at Singapore MAC once, and my friend who would normally take care of me was having a day off. The other staff just all ignored me. I was browsing eye shadows by myself and they gave me the cold shoulder. This from a company renowned for giving great service. Perhaps in Singapore guys don't use makeup or something, but I was pissed. So I bought the eye shadow and made sure I flashed the conveniently located massive pile of SGD I had in my wallet (I'd just been to the forex!)
As for customer service: one of the things that makes men like SC's is that for once they usually don't have to do the approaching. It's the exact opposite to the dating scene where it's usually the men doing the approaching. In the SC us dancers usually do the approaching. Although I don't because that is very anxiety provoking for me. I take a pay-cut because of this but it's the only way I can handle the job.
Exactly.
Sure I can ask for a dance. But that's what I'm already doing all the time in my normal salsa dancing life. Likewise the dating. So for once it's good to be approached.
Another thing, it royally sucks when large numbers of hot girls walk right past me and sits down with the "old/fat/ugly" (quote) guys around me. Intellectually I know there's a heap of legitimate reasons why that happened. He could be a known big spender, or he asked that girl for a dance before, or the girl who was faced with hustling either of us chose him because he had previous bad experiences with young guys. But when I get passed over for pretty repulsive people (god that sounds horrible... "homely" people) again and again, and that makes me annoyed. Especially when I actually *have* cash, and spend it on people who approach me.
It's not the dancer's fault, and it's not the other customers' fault. It's the nature of strip clubs. I just need to have a less fragile ego. But until I've fixed that, I just don't go SCs much.
That said, being discriminated in a strip club or a cosmetics store is really nothing compared to the discrimination that strippers and "old/fat/ugly" face on a day-to-day basis. Nobody is totally immune.
P.S. I don't mean to say the majority of customers in SCs are old/fat/ugly. There are smart looking executive middle aged guys too. I just don't get pissed off when the girls bypass me for them like I do if it's a balding fat guy in baggy clothes.
UtahMike
11-17-2007, 10:26 PM
Balding fat guys in baggy clothes need love too!