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Crow2
11-01-2007, 10:53 AM
I have been in a couple of knock down drag outs, but I don't think that makes me stripper trash or a bad person. Nor do I think it reflects poorly on other dancers. It is stereoypyical of MARINES though! ;) (OOOOOOORAAAAAHHHHH!)

Also, do you think poorly of people that are trained and paid to fight?

Thank you!

brazilian
11-01-2007, 11:24 AM
I have been in a couple of knock down drag outs, but I don't think that makes me stripper trash or a bad person. Nor do I think it reflects poorly on other dancers. It is stereoypyical of MARINES though! ;) (OOOOOOORAAAAAHHHHH!)

Also, do you think poorly of people that are trained and paid to fight?

People that are trained to fight are fighting against another person that is also trained. Both are being paid. Imagine a dancer beating me up because she doesn't like me or something and people think it's ok. I am only 5'1 98lbs and I don't think it would be a very fair fight. I always mind my own business but worked at clubs that girls really hated me because I did really well.
If beating people up is an aceptable thing I will get a permit a starting to carry a gun for self defense. I will assume it ok to shoot people too...

Crow2
11-01-2007, 10:22 PM
I carry a gun and I will shoot someone that threatens me. What's the difference if someone threatens your livelihood or how you make money, how you work and so forth because either they are (a) much to stupid to figure it out or (b) Much to selfish to care about figuring it out and having a pleasant working environment.

Being jealous of someone because they make money is totally different than someone deliberately cutting a co-workers throat. So to speak.

Some people are stupid and think they know it all and the only way they can get it is with something to shock them back to their senses. Like a mule and a two-by-four.

Andygirl
11-01-2007, 11:41 PM
I have been in a couple of knock down drag outs, but I don't think that makes me stripper trash or a bad person. Nor do I think it reflects poorly on other dancers. It is stereoypyical of MARINES though! ;) (OOOOOOORAAAAAHHHHH!)

Also, do you think poorly of people that are trained and paid to fight?

I think that if someone is trained and paid to fight then they are a fighter and it is appropriate for them to do so. There's no comparison to professional fighting and catfights in a strip club.

It's ok for us to disagree with one another. Many of you obviously think that fighting in the club is an ok thing to do and that it is appropriate to physically assault someone for doing something you don't like. And I'm sure you can come up with a laundry list of reasons why it is an acceptable way to behave. You don't have to agree with my reasons against it any more than I have to agree with your reasons for it.

But obviously I don't think it is ok and would not do it myself because I don't believe that a lady instigates a physical fight over something that could be settled in other ways. Actually, I don't think a lady instigates violence for any reason. Hell, yell about it, cuss at each other, go to the manager's office and have him mediate......whatever, there have to be other ways to deal with these issues.

I would like to live in a peaceful world, and part of that starts with my own behavior. Do I think that everyone who fights is a bad person? Of course not. But I do believe that it is trashy behavior. In a civilized society we shouldn't have to reduce ourselves to beating on one another to resolve our problems.

And if, as adults, we can't find better ways to handle problems, then what does that teach our children? More and more we live in a society where violence is used before any other attempts at resolution are made. I wish more people were as concerned about how to live peacefully as they are about advocating violence. Hell, my daughter's middle school handbook is 30 pages long and most of it is rules about bullying, fighting, bringing weapons and drugs to school, etc., and that's for sixth grade! Tell me we don't have serious problems with violence in this society.

The only reason I would ever get into a physical fight with someone is out of self-defense. And as I said before, if someone in the club laid a finger on me I'd have her arrested and I'd press charges. And then I'd sue the bitch and maybe even the club if the assault was severe enough. But in all my years dancing (and living life), I've never found myself in that type of situation because I've never gotten myself into a mess like that, thankfully.

Again, I'm very glad that I work in clubs that have a zero tolerance policy for fighting. It eliminates the temptation for anyone who wants to keep their job. As for all of the other opinions on the topic, you are as entitled to them as I am mine. There's no need to get defensive about it.

Crow2
11-01-2007, 11:59 PM
If you think thats trashy, thats fine - but calling others trashy for doing so is a totally different thing.

Personally, I could care less what other people think about me. I'm a grown woman and I had wonderful parents who raised me to have some spine and stick up for myself and not be a doormat.

Also I am Marine trained as well..

I respect your views and your right to have them. Also I wont insinuate that your "trashy" for having them

kitana
11-02-2007, 09:16 AM
People that are trained to fight are fighting against another person that is also trained. Both are being paid. Imagine a dancer beating me up because she doesn't like me or something and people think it's ok. I am only 5'1 98lbs and I don't think it would be a very fair fight. I always mind my own business but worked at clubs that girls really hated me because I did really well.
If beating people up is an aceptable thing I will get a permit a starting to carry a gun for self defense. I will assume it ok to shoot people too...

Size doesn't matter, I know little guys that can hand a big guy his ass, lol.

As long as you don't pack in the club, and someone tries to hurt you, what's the problem?!

I have a concealed carry permit, BTW. Hubby and I were looking for back paddles the other day for my Colt.

kitana
11-02-2007, 09:18 AM
If you think thats trashy, thats fine - but calling others trashy for doing so is a totally different thing.

Personally, I could care less what other people think about me. I'm a grown woman and I had wonderful parents who raised me to have some spine and stick up for myself and not be a doormat.

Also I am Marine trained as well..

I respect your views and your right to have them. Also I wont insinuate that your "trashy" for having them

Well said Crow!

I agree 100%!

Besides, why would I wanna be a lady when being a devil dawg is SOOOO much more fun?! ROFL! ;)

Taylorlila
11-02-2007, 09:40 AM
I think it would be more reasonable to drive her out by making her life miserable than kicking her ass. I also don't really belive in fighting unless it has to be done (self defense, defense of a loved one, stuff like that) but I don't think youre trashy just because you do fight, I just think violence sucks. I don't think its fair either to have a bunch of girls gang up on one.

AlexxaHex
11-02-2007, 06:22 PM
If you think thats trashy, thats fine - but calling others trashy for doing so is a totally different thing.

Personally, I could care less what other people think about me. I'm a grown woman and I had wonderful parents who raised me to have some spine and stick up for myself and not be a doormat.

Also I am Marine trained as well..

I respect your views and your right to have them. Also I wont insinuate that your "trashy" for having them

Well said!! I agree 100%

the_dfb
11-02-2007, 09:46 PM
ooh this is one of those things where you fight fire with fire, give her a taste of her own medicine, etc. etc. etc.

that of course is not my professional advice, but it's a mixture of my professional and personal advice. honestly, the slogan is, "violence is the end of all communication," but I'd like to think the arrogance of youth kills communication, too. she's just a kid, from the sounds of it. you seem smarter and wiser, so I'm guessing you're older. she'll learn her lesson in due time if you just treat her the way she's treating you. everybody knows the golden rule and I doubt she's an exception, so if an unfair game is how she wants to play, then all of you should just do the same to her.

Hatshepsut
11-03-2007, 10:00 AM
Yes, you definitely have the right to defend yourself. I encourage that. However, what scares me is the, "We make the rules and give those bitches what they deserve" attitude. Yes, some need some sense knocked into them, but how reliable is this form of self-governance? I was once the girl who was chased out of a club. A custy who wanted to get some OTC action told the other strippers that I had said shit ("Don't get dances from them, they're all stretched out and nasty from too many kids."). I did absolutely nothing of the sort, but they decided that I had, and acted as judge, jury, and executioner. They accused me of hustling (A stripper hustling? A student studying? A teacher teaching? THAT'S WRONG!), they didn't like the fact that I made money because I was young and smiled rather than whine, etc. They chased me out with threats, intimidation, and burning my stuff.

How would you like to be that girl? The situation may currently favor you, but remember every revolution in history in which people needed a new scapegoat. As much as I hated a few of the dancers, I never dragged myself down to the point of stealing or hiding her stuff. I hate that passive-aggressive shit. Even turning off the lights and taking turns swinging a punch is better than that.

This is yet another reason I go by The Golden Rule. You could be that girl that everyone punches.

Corgan
11-03-2007, 11:53 AM
^ i'm sorry this happenned to you, but at my club, this only happens to girls who get caught fucking and sucking. you'd be safe. :)

i truly am sorry that girls were such bitches to you, you're so fucking sweet! i would have your back in that situation. being picked on for no reasons fucking blows.

IvytheStripper
11-03-2007, 12:57 PM
maybe someone's already covered this but if she's pissing off all of her collegues at that club then she needs to be dealt with. I have a two prong plan of attack. One: Make her so miserable that she quits. Surely a nineteen year old with an inflated ego isn't hard to out smart, out hustle out game and intimidate. Chase her ass out of there. Make it SO intolerable that she goes elsewhere. It sounds as if all of the dancers there are on the same page about this chick. Regardless of the fact that she's fucking the owner, he's not going to fire every last one of his dancers because they make lovedoll nervous. He's a business man plain and simple. Is anyone really operating under the misaprehension that he LOVES her? Oh hell no. Honestly once the novelty of screwing her wears off, he'll ditch her and PROBABLY pitch her ass out himself. Which brings me to prong two: Smear her name at every other club in the vicinity. Once her reign of terror is over at your club she'll pack up and do it all over again at a new club. Don't let her! Tell your friends at other clubs about her. Eventually she will either knock it off or be forced out of the biz.

Hatshepsut
11-04-2007, 01:33 AM
^ i'm sorry this happenned to you, but at my club, this only happens to girls who get caught fucking and sucking. you'd be safe. :)

i truly am sorry that girls were such bitches to you, you're so fucking sweet! i would have your back in that situation. being picked on for no reasons fucking blows.

Thanks! I'm glad to hear that there's a sense of justice or morality. However, good management is still superior to everything.

By the way, those bitches got what was coming, which I found out through the grapevine. Most of them had horrible stripper boyfriends, which everyone knows the outcome. One broke probation, got sent to prison, and lost her kids. Another became the tormented girl after chasing out several girls by picking a fight with a stripper even more seasoned than herself. Another fucked up so bad that she was ordered never to set foot in the club again, which is surprising because management was mega lax. Karma does exist.

Corgan
11-04-2007, 02:00 AM
^ yes it very well does.

Habinairo
11-05-2007, 09:12 AM
We have the same problem here, only the girl is doing extras. There were two but the one got chased out pretty quickly. The second is taking some "encouragement". We got one girl who can be a crazy girl on her, and we're just doing simple drive out techniques. LIke, in VIP we spit our gum over the top at her, or slam our chairs into the walls when she walks by to make her jump, or scream at her when she's on stage.
The girl that's the crazy one, she knows well enough she's not going to fight someone who she thinks can't fight, she knows it's not fair, so she'll drive her out other ways. If she thinks she can fight, fair game.
I'd try driving her out first. If she confronts you over it, and tries to fight, then yes, fair game.

Miss Pussy
11-05-2007, 11:10 PM
No one has the right to harm another person, unless in self-defense. All of you who said it was okay to hit this girl should all be ashamed of yourselves for promoting such bad, and yes, trashy behaviour. Would you teach the same behaviour to your children? No, so why would encourage it here? (If the answer is yes, I hope you don't have kids)

And you all wonder why dancers have such a trashy label...if the shoe fits...


....bunch of monkeys!
(except for the people who said fighting is bad)

P.S. If you haven't noticed, physical violence really urks me, and I find it so disappointing that a lot of you feel it's okay to hit someone, I really thought we were better than that.

head turner
11-05-2007, 11:23 PM
I carry a gun and I will shoot someone that threatens me. What's the difference if someone threatens your livelihood or how you make money, how you work and so forth because either they are (a) much to stupid to figure it out or (b) Much to selfish to care about figuring it out and having a pleasant working environment.




She is not threatening your livelyhood. She is not stealing from you. The club is only messing with your livelyhood by not firing her.

You shoot her, you go to jail and then you will have no livelyhood for you or your family.

AlexxaHex
11-05-2007, 11:45 PM
No one has the right to harm another person, unless in self-defense. All of you who said it was okay to hit this girl should all be ashamed of yourselves for promoting such bad, and yes, trashy behaviour. Would you teach the same behaviour to your children? No, so why would encourage it here? (If the answer is yes, I hope you don't have kids)

And you all wonder why dancers have such a trashy label...if the shoe fits...


....bunch of monkeys!
(except for the people who said fighting is bad)

P.S. If you haven't noticed, physical violence really urks me, and I find it so disappointing that a lot of you feel it's okay to hit someone, I really thought we were better than that.

Your name is "Miss Pussy" and you're talking about being trashy? *ahem* okay...

I do have a daughter and I will teach her how to fight and to stick up for herself. I hope she beats the crap out of your self-righteous kid.

And what is this "I thought we were better than that"? Do you have a twin or multiple personalities? Don't group me in with you. Please.

Zinaida
11-06-2007, 02:22 AM
Your name is "Miss Pussy" and you're talking about being trashy? *ahem* okay...
LMAO I was thinking the same thing. :D

Crow2
11-06-2007, 09:50 AM
She is not threatening your livelyhood. She is not stealing from you. The club is only messing with your livelyhood by not firing her.

You shoot her, you go to jail and then you will have no livelyhood for you or your family.

Excuse you - if you would of read what I posted I was using the gun as an example.

And yes someone that cut throats is actually stealing from me, as I invested hard work and time into making that sale

Circe
11-06-2007, 04:14 PM
I have no problem with fighting if the situation calls for it. Meaning that they are physically threatening/messing with you. Punch away.

But I'd say punching someone out who's fucking with you verbally, but not physically, puts you in the wrong. Not trashy in my mind, because that minimizes unprovoked physical assault. But more in the insane and illegal category.

I mean, we've all said shitty things to other people and acted in crazy ways (PMS, drugs, personal problems, whatever). Imagine if the people around you at the time, instead of just telling you off or reporting you, responded by knocking you out? That would suck. And would be unwarranted.

xoxoGracexoxo
11-06-2007, 04:59 PM
Yes, you definitely have the right to defend yourself. I encourage that. However, what scares me is the, "We make the rules and give those bitches what they deserve" attitude.

Yeah, I have to say, it scares me, too. When one entity is acting as judge, jury, and executioner, balance and perspective are lost quickly. How do you know the girls you beat up are doing extras? Did you see it, or did you just talk to someone who talked to someone who says they saw it?

When I was new, I was the girl that got ganged up on, because I was young and hustled really hard. A bunch of girls got together and told the manager I was doing extras (which was ridiculous because this was a tiny club where everything was out in the open...there was simply nowhere to do extras, if I'd wanted to.) The manager told me this -- he knew it was bullshit -- and then a few days later told me that some of the girls wanted to beat me up and I should probably "lay low" for a couple of days. I took my things and left the club for good. It freaked me out that the girls wanted to hurt me, but even more that the manager wouldn't stick up for me.

Anyway, this girl sounds annoying, and it's frustrating that management won't do anything, but the situation doesn't sound so bad that you'd have to resort to violence. Is she really that threatening?

It doesn't sound like she's a particularly good salesperson. Just cut-throat her back. Steal her customers. Interrupt her sales. Given her behavior, all of that is fair play now. If worst comes to worst, take her aside and tell her that girls are talking about kicking her ass if she doesn't settle down. Make it a warning, not a threat.

PrettyCurlieQ
11-06-2007, 05:41 PM
Mgmt would have given us permission to knock some sense into her by now.

Andygirl
11-06-2007, 06:06 PM
Anyway, this girl sounds annoying, and it's frustrating that management won't do anything, but the situation doesn't sound so bad that you'd have to resort to violence. Is she really that threatening?

That's what I was thinking. It doesn't sound like she's really doing anything that severe. Any good hustler ought to be able to work their way around someone like this. All the threats of violence and destruction really make me think that it takes little to nothing to make some people feel justified in whatever recourse they take.

I'll say it again, in 13 years (on and off) dancing, I've never had need to resort to any of these methods to get around someone whose techniques bothered me. I find that ignoring people is a great method of letting them know that they don't exist to you. Anything more would let that person know you've spent way more time thinking about her than she has thinking about you--and that's flattering to a lot of the narcissistic people who are attracted to this industry.

Miss Pussy
11-06-2007, 07:14 PM
Miss Pussy was my husband's cat. It died. I used the name as a login because I was all sad about the cat. You didn't like what I said and attacked the name - is that all ya got?

If you teach your kids to hit someone unprevoked, than that's your business. Just remember they could have a criminal record that will follow them around for the REST of their lives. If that's how you want it to be for them, then by all means, teach them to fight.

The comment about some girls kid beating up my kid was totally uncalled for and extremely insulting. How low can one go? I don't have kids, and if I did, I would teach them it's okay to defend yourself, but not to just attack someone. That's wrong.

Any situation can be dealt with verbally and peacefully. End of story. If you really feel that angry about something that someone did that you feel have to resort to violence, then go take up boxing or go see a therapist or something, but don't hit someone!!!

Violence is against the law, socially unacceptable and just bad behaviour. I can't understand why people would think otherwise......

I'm sorry I called you all trashy, maybe you're not all trashy, but saying that fighting okay is a trashy thing to say to me. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

beauty21queen
11-06-2007, 07:36 PM
Miss Pussy was my husband's cat. It died. I used the name as a login because I was all sad about the cat. You didn't like what I said and attacked the name - is that all ya got? .

*cough* bullshit *cough*

AlexxaHex
11-06-2007, 09:20 PM
Miss Pussy was my husband's cat. It died. I used the name as a login because I was all sad about the cat. You didn't like what I said and attacked the name - is that all ya got?

If you teach your kids to hit someone unprevoked, than that's your business. Just remember they could have a criminal record that will follow them around for the REST of their lives. If that's how you want it to be for them, then by all means, teach them to fight.

The comment about some girls kid beating up my kid was totally uncalled for and extremely insulting. How low can one go? I don't have kids, and if I did, I would teach them it's okay to defend yourself, but not to just attack someone. That's wrong.

Any situation can be dealt with verbally and peacefully. End of story. If you really feel that angry about something that someone did that you feel have to resort to violence, then go take up boxing or go see a therapist or something, but don't hit someone!!!

Violence is against the law, socially unacceptable and just bad behaviour. I can't understand why people would think otherwise......

I'm sorry I called you all trashy, maybe you're not all trashy, but saying that fighting okay is a trashy thing to say to me. That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

What I said was about self defense, not attacking someone out of nowhere. I'm not going to raise my daughter to be a doormat, and she's also not going to be stupid either (collecting a criminal record).
You came here and insulted us, don't expect anything nice back.

Okay, I'll give you this:

Have a nice day.

Crow2
11-07-2007, 12:17 AM
Alexxa you so crack me up. Thanks for making me spew soda out of my nose. :P

head turner
11-07-2007, 12:58 AM
Excuse you - if you would of read what I posted I was using the gun as an example.

And yes someone that cut throats is actually stealing from me, as I invested hard work and time into making that sale


guns=death/hospitalization/jail....that'd be about the only way to use that in an example. Gonna shoot someone? Cool, but make sure it's worth it, and, uh, this matter is a little ridiculous to shoot someone over. Piss poor example. I guess it didn't look like much of an ex. the way it was written. It's management's problem to deal with, not for you to possibly be fired over for attempting to deal with (or shoot at).

And if there is beef with her, then everyone else will have the same problem. The problem will work itself out if everyone is that pissed about this girl; even if she is sleeping with the manager. Til then, all's fair in love, war, and dancing. Cut throat that girl right the hell back.

Zinaida
11-07-2007, 01:37 AM
Miss Pussy was my husband's cat. It died. I used the name as a login because I was all sad about the cat. You didn't like what I said and attacked the name - is that all ya got?
Pretty obscene name for a family pet... ::)

Miss Pussy
11-07-2007, 02:24 AM
Pretty obscene name for a family pet... ::)

I didn't name this cat, my husband had it when I met him....

Zinaida
11-07-2007, 03:10 AM
A pet's name can be changed.

Andygirl
11-07-2007, 04:55 AM
Pretty obscene name for a family pet... ::)


Loller, cats were called "pussy" long before vagina was called "pussy."


http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~rms22/images/tweety2.jpg

"I tawt I taw a puddy tat! I did, I did taw a puddy tat!"

;D

Bellona
11-07-2007, 05:41 AM
whats a loller?

Zinaida
11-07-2007, 12:04 PM
Loller, cats were called "pussy" long before vagina was called "pussy."
I doubt the cat's old enough to predate the current usage lol.

Zinaida
11-07-2007, 12:06 PM
whats a loller?
I always thought it was someone that kind of lies around, lounges around. ?

zxcire
11-07-2007, 12:32 PM
A pet's name can be changed.

Have we seriously turned this thread into a catty bitchfest over a dead cat?:O

BalletBaby
11-07-2007, 12:46 PM
^^I think so. When all else fails, attack a person's user name::)

Zinaida
11-07-2007, 12:47 PM
Who the fuck cares. I'm over it.

Crow2
11-07-2007, 01:05 PM
Yep, a dead cat.. right. And a gun example.. gee whiz. * eye roll *

Darkshard
11-08-2007, 05:54 AM
Two quotes...

"Actually, I don't think a lady instigates violence for any reason."

and

"Any situation can be dealt with verbally and peacefully. End of story."

Are you guys living in a dream world? if so, can I join you? it sounds awfully peaceful there.

Andygirl
11-08-2007, 11:43 AM
Two quotes...

"Actually, I don't think a lady instigates violence for any reason."

and

"Any situation can be dealt with verbally and peacefully. End of story."

Are you guys living in a dream world? if so, can I join you? it sounds awfully peaceful there.

The first quote is mine, the second is not. I've gone 33 years without instigating violence. If that's a dream world, then I must be living in one.

Please be careful lumping all quotes in together. Attribution is appropriate in cases like this.

Sapphire
11-08-2007, 12:06 PM
So, I haven't posted on here in OMG I have no idea how long. I started reading this thread and could not believe how close the situation was to what was going on in my club...and wouldn't you know, it is my club. :P LOL. Maybe I should get on here more often.

PS-Hi Lexi!:wave:

Anywho, I actually fit into this story because I am one of the "senior girls" at this club. I'm not going to bore you with my long rant about this girl, but I'm pretty sure the problem is now under control (at least temporarily)}:D . And NO, we didn't beat the shit out of her....But I'm pretty sure that she has apologized to everyone (whether sincerely/or insincerely I can't be sure...).

StrawberrySwitchblade
11-08-2007, 12:32 PM
Hey, Ace. Lol!

I haven't worked with Princess (not her name, but a nick) in over a week, so I wasn't sure what had gone down. She hasn't really spoken to me since I blew up at her a couple weeks ago.

the_dfb
11-08-2007, 06:37 PM
Two quotes...

"Actually, I don't think a lady instigates violence for any reason."

and

"Any situation can be dealt with verbally and peacefully. End of story."

Are you guys living in a dream world? if so, can I join you? it sounds awfully peaceful there.

once again, I'd like to state that violence is the end of all communication. we've evolved passed it. yes, you can join us here.

Zinaida
11-08-2007, 07:56 PM
once again, I'd like to state that violence is the end of all communication. we've evolved passed it.
You mean past? ::)

the_dfb
11-08-2007, 08:24 PM
You mean past? ::)
Ah, I do hope you get on the thread where I typed "gland" instead of "glance." I figured people are smart enough to decipher what I type without me having to go back and proofread, but please, ghost writer, feel free to keep on.

Zinaida
11-08-2007, 08:39 PM
Thanks.