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xdamage
11-19-2007, 09:35 AM
It seems most of the customers on the blue side have said, if she asks for a tip, she might get it, but the chances of doing repeat business with her drop too. It can be a case of winning the battle and losing the war (putting short term gain ahead of a long term strategy that pays off better).
Suave Marco
11-19-2007, 10:23 AM
It seems most of the customers on the blue side have said, if she asks for a tip, she might get it, but the chances of doing repeat business with her drop too. It can be a case of winning the battle and losing the war (putting short term gain ahead of a long term strategy that pays off better).
I agree 200% with this.
britt244
11-19-2007, 10:56 AM
It seems most of the customers on the blue side have said, if she asks for a tip, she might get it, but the chances of doing repeat business with her drop too. It can be a case of winning the battle and losing the war (putting short term gain ahead of a long term strategy that pays off better).
i really think this depends on the club. i worked at one club where i ALWAYS asked for a tip. every time. i made soo much off of it. other clubs, though, i wouldn't do that. i don't do it now, either. some clubs, it was more of a suggestion, like to make sure they knew how to fill out the credit card slip( they tipped both me and the waitress on the same slip, diff lines).
keep in mind some girls could care less about repeat customers. some of us dont like regulars. ive had them, and i've gone without having them. i don't care too much either way, and i know lots of girls would rather NOT have them.
PHXFan
11-19-2007, 11:38 AM
Negotiate...never, always pay the rate. Tip, only in cash when I had a "left over" 20...very rare. I will however, buy nice things for girls that perform well (not "extras", I said well). What are nice things? Let's just say I've earned a personal shopping assistant at Tiffany's who handles my needs there. Yes, I am bragging, no, I'm not rich, but the ladies LOVE the little blue box!
britt244
11-19-2007, 11:44 AM
^ i absolutely adore tiffanys. with that said, i'd probably rather have the money you spent.
MinahSky
11-19-2007, 01:30 PM
It seems most of the customers on the blue side have said, if she asks for a tip, she might get it, but the chances of doing repeat business with her drop too. It can be a case of winning the battle and losing the war (putting short term gain ahead of a long term strategy that pays off better).
Thank you for posting that. It seems most females won't listen to another woman but will listen to a man who says the same thing. I read zbone from the time I started dancing here in LA and that was always a huge point in who they spent (especially) repeat money with...
xdamage
11-19-2007, 05:25 PM
Thank you for posting that. It seems most females won't listen to another woman but will listen to a man who says the same thing. I read zbone from the time I started dancing here in LA and that was always a huge point in who they spent (especially) repeat money with...
It came up recently on the blue side, including a poll about tipping. I'm just re-iterating what seems to have been (by far) the most common expressed opinion. I suppose it's possible people behave differently in the real situation, but that seemed to be the most common feeling in the discussion.
PHXFan
11-19-2007, 10:46 PM
^ i absolutely adore tiffanys. with that said, i'd probably rather have the money you spent.
With that said, I should just give the girls 7 bucks when they ask me to buy them a drink.
MinahSky
11-20-2007, 01:29 AM
With that said, I should just give the girls 7 bucks when they ask me to buy them a drink.
Yes, you should. In my club after we got all our drinks for the night, we received $1 for each drink after that. I'd rather have the $5-$10 a drink costs. I never had any issues getting all my drinks. We got them for $1 anyway.
PHXFan
11-20-2007, 03:44 AM
Yes, you should. In my club after we got all our drinks for the night, we received $1 for each drink after that. I'd rather have the $5-$10 a drink costs. I never had any issues getting all my drinks. We got them for $1 anyway.
And THAT'S why I am VERY particular about who dances for me. The ones that do, do well. The ones that don't, are too dumb to figure it out, and are too busy trying to get their free drinks. :O
britt244
11-20-2007, 05:11 AM
^ that doesnt make any sense. im not sure what that has to do with minah's post.
there is a difference in being required to sell drinks for the club (sometimes we have to pay out if we dont) and getting jewelry.
twisterinAZ
11-20-2007, 05:17 AM
Jewelry is nice but all of my nice stuff from Tiff's just sits in a safe deposit box. I'd rather have the cash but I am always glad to recieve a little blue box.
PHXFan
11-20-2007, 11:03 AM
Jewelry is nice but all of my nice stuff from Tiff's just sits in a safe deposit box. I'd rather have the cash but I am always glad to recieve a little blue box.
...closing Tiffany's account :-[ ...gonna buy a new car with $$$ ;D
Thanks Ladies!;)
MinahSky
11-20-2007, 01:12 PM
And THAT'S why I am VERY particular about who dances for me. The ones that do, do well. The ones that don't, are too dumb to figure it out, and are too busy trying to get their free drinks. :O
Thank you, Britt.
I answered a specific question of yours, PHX, from the post above mine about giving the money from the drinks. I agreed with you. I never ask for drinks...don't have to. If you read any of my posts, I would think you would know that I wouldn't ask anyway. However, if you offer, I will accept if I don't have all my drinks for the night.
Zinaida
11-20-2007, 01:17 PM
Asking for tips is just as tacky as the tip jar at my local burrito establishment.
I don't care if anyone thinks it's tacky. Even if the customer doesn't like that I asked, what do I care? I'll never see him again.
Sophia_Starina
11-20-2007, 01:49 PM
I don't care if anyone thinks it's tacky. Even if the customer doesn't like that I asked, what do I care? I'll never see him again.
Heh... I wondered about guys tipping for dances too... http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99816
It's a good read in case you get snowed in and want to kill a few hours ^^^^
Honestly, I think geography plays a role. In some clubs tipping (beyond the set dance price) is the norm. In some clubs it's out of the question.
Zinaida, it seems you're fortunate enough to work in a place where tips can be expected... you're pretty lucky.
dangerousdiva
11-20-2007, 04:29 PM
I ask for tips where I work now, but I NEVER, EVER did anywhere else I worked before.
Geography definitely makes a difference. When I first started working at my current club I didn't ask for tips but then it became obvious that this was the norm so I caught on.
I try to do it in a nice way, like "that will be $100 and if you would like to tip me I would greatly appreciate it".
I do think asking for a tip point blank is very rude.
Asking me to negotiate? NEVER!!! It usually means you are a cheap grabby asshole.
As for receiving jewelry, yeah, I like money A LOT, but from a custy POV, I see how jewelry would be more personal and I would be very flattered to receive it.
...closing Tiffany's account :-[ ...gonna buy a new car with $$$ ;D
Thanks Ladies!;)
Don't close that account just yet PHXFan, you can always throw one of those little blue boxes my way and I would be thrilled to receive it:-*
Andygirl
11-20-2007, 05:50 PM
Asking for tips is crass and messes up your money. You will get a tip from some poor schmub who can't talk up. But men get told what to do and pushed around by their wives enough at home and their bosses at work. They want things to be happy and shiny at the strip club. If they want to give you one, they will. If they don't oh well. On to the next guy.
By saying I "ask" for tips I do mean that I suggest. I don't usually come right out and say, "Can I have a tip?" But after private dances I always say somethingalong the lines of "Ok, we did five dances so that's $100, and of course, you can add a tip to that if you would like."
If I've sat for a few minutes with a time waster who ends up not wanting a dance I suggest that they tip me for my time (trying my hardest to conceal my irritation that they acted interested when they weren't, and purposely wasting my time). Most of the time I get $1-$5, but it is better than the $0 I would have received had I not asked.
In this job we survive on tips alone and I don't see anything wrong with suggesting/asking. You aren't ever going to see most of these guys again so you have nothing to lose. And if it is someone you think you'll see again you can play it differently, tailoring it to the individual.
It can all be done in a flirty, non-rude way. Rarely have I had a guy act offended by the suggestion of a tip. They know they are in a strip club. If they don't think they are going to be hustled then they are delusional.;)
Regarding negotiating, I am not offended by it (usually) but it is rare for me to agree to anything that is going to cut my money. Like others have said, I might throw in a sixth dance if they've bought five, or if it's a slow night I'll do three for $50. But these are usually my own offers rather than proposals from the customer.
PHXFan
11-21-2007, 03:36 AM
As for receiving jewelry, yeah, I like money A LOT, but from a custy POV, I see how jewelry would be more personal and I would be very flattered to receive it.
Don't close that account just yet PHXFan, you can always throw one of those little blue boxes my way and I would be thrilled to receive it:-*
I'd like to thrill you...but I don't know where you are!:-\
bem401
11-21-2007, 06:52 AM
I don't care if anyone thinks it's tacky. Even if the customer doesn't like that I asked, what do I care? I'll never see him again.
Did you ever stop to think maybe that's (part of) why you don't see him again? Any girl who's given me a worthwhile dance ( and even some who haven't ) generally get repeat business ( or another shot ), unless they do something that turns me off, and asking for money above and beyond the agreed-upon price would do that.
If you ask for a tip, you are doing nothing more than trying to (re)negotiate the price of the dance upward, yet most of the girls condemn any guy for suggesting a price break. Am I the only one who sees a double-standard being applied here?
Katrine
11-21-2007, 09:47 AM
Did you ever stop to think maybe that's (part of) why you don't see him again? Any girl who's given me a worthwhile dance ( and even some who haven't ) generally get repeat business ( or another shot ), unless they do something that turns me off, and asking for money above and beyond the agreed-upon price would do that.
Does this apply to a dancer in Las Vegas? Or a travelling dancer? Or a dancer in New Jersey where they dance on the bar for tips only?
Above all, its a regional thing. The dancer is ultimately responsible for determining if she wants regular money, or short-term profit maximization. You know what school I was in.
xdamage
11-21-2007, 11:23 AM
Hmm, yea,
It should be remembered that a lot of the posters on the blue side are "regulars" and visit the same club(s) often. So the poll and comments about tipping have to be considered with that in mind. If it's a club in a tourist town like Vegas, presumably the strategy that works best is different (like some said, if you are never going to see them again, asking for the tip may be a better strategy since what the hell? Of course who knows, maybe later in the evening you'd have been the girl he spends time in the VIP with ... so lots of variables, but I can see why in some clubs a dancer assumes she is never going to see him again, and why some don't want regulars.). And even in a tourist town like Vegas, there are all different types of clubs and some may be more of "regulars" hang outs, some more of a "tourist" spot... I don't know, but it seems reasonable.
MinahSky
11-21-2007, 12:59 PM
Hmm, yea,
It should be remembered that a lot of the posters on the blue side are "regulars" and visit the same club(s) often. So the poll and comments about tipping have to be considered with that in mind. If it's a club in a tourist town like Vegas, presumably the strategy that works best is different (like some said, if you are never going to see them again, asking for the tip may be a better strategy since what the hell? Of course who knows, maybe later in the evening you'd have been the girl he spends time in the VIP with ... so lots of variables, but I can see why in some clubs a dancer assumes she is never going to see him again, and why some don't want regulars.). And even in a tourist town like Vegas, there are all different types of clubs and some may be more of "regulars" hang outs, some more of a "tourist" spot... I don't know, but it seems reasonable.
Even if you work in Vegas, many of the guys from out of town are used to tipping. You can be cutting yourself out of hundreds more in tips by asking the guys who would have given you one (if you hadn't asked). So you are messing up your own money with that attitude of "I'll never see him again, so who cares". Especially since in Vegas you only pay tip out. Not only that, there are message boards that comment on dancers nation and worldwide. Many times guys consult these boards to seek out particular dancers and/or clubs. You're hurting yourselves that way as well.
xdamage
11-21-2007, 06:35 PM
Even if you work in Vegas, many of the guys from out of town are used to tipping. You can be cutting yourself out of hundreds more in tips by asking the guys who would have given you one (if you hadn't asked). So you are messing up your own money with that attitude of "I'll never see him again, so who cares". Especially since in Vegas you only pay tip out. Not only that, there are message boards that comment on dancers mation and worldwide. Many times guys consult these boards to seek out particular dancers and/or clubs. You're hurting yourselves that way as well.
I'll take your word for it. This is an area where you have thousands of times more direct experience then I have. I just know for me, I almost always tip, unless it was a really bad experience, but if I am asked for one before I do so, I am turned off and probably won't ask for follow-up dances. It's not impossible, but it rubs me the wrong way so I'll tend to spend money on someone else. That's just me.
p.s. So I am agreeing with you. I'd do it anyway, but if you ask, it will count against you.
Zinaida
11-22-2007, 12:49 PM
Zinaida, it seems you're fortunate enough to work in a place where tips can be expected... you're pretty lucky.
I do luckily. Before I started asking for tips, I almost always got them anyway, which I found a pleasant surprise because I never knew that there was such a thing as tipping for dances. I had never even thought of or heard of it. And then the other girls suggested to me that I start asking, that way I'd always get tipped. It's a lot better to be getting $38 than $18 per lap dance. And, luckily I work in a tourist city, 98% of our customers we never see again so I don't have to worry about what they think of me in the long run lol. :D
Zinaida
11-22-2007, 12:52 PM
Did you ever stop to think maybe that's (part of) why you don't see him again?
Trust me, no. Where I work we never see the same guys again. The vast vast majority are from out of state (usually Virginia and Rhode Island it seems) so they're there one night and gone the next. And that's certainly how I like it.
Katrine
11-22-2007, 03:14 PM
Bem loses again. Story of your life? Happy thanksgiving.
Alaska
11-22-2007, 08:12 PM
Gawrsh. This is the first time I went into CC in MONTHS!
Is it all like this? tell me right now.....I dunno I might already be the F gone....
MinahSky
11-22-2007, 11:26 PM
The men who are visiting from out of town don't have time to get to know what girls they should spend their money on while they are there. You can google it and see how many websites are dedicated to trip reports on strips clubs. You can bet if a guy is on a business trip or otherwise away from the wifey or girlfriend they are going prepared. They take the time to search those websites for clubs to go to and what dancers to spend money on and they will take the word of the random guys on those sites, believe it.
But if it works for you, that's great. I'm not putting it down, I was just giving another aspect of it all...
bem401
11-23-2007, 08:44 AM
Bem loses again. Story of your life? Happy thanksgiving.
I fail to see how I lose. That strategy would backfire at any of the clubs I go to. Anyone who visits clubs around here can confirm that. Most of the posts would seem to agree with me. but if it makes you feel good to think this somehow represents a loss for me ( and thus a win for you ), go for it.
yoda57us
11-23-2007, 09:25 AM
Did you ever stop to think maybe that's (part of) why you don't see him again? Any girl who's given me a worthwhile dance ( and even some who haven't ) generally get repeat business ( or another shot ), unless they do something that turns me off, and asking for money above and beyond the agreed-upon price would do that.
Well, if a dancer is looking to cultivate regulars she will take a different approach than a dancer who is looking to maximize profits on each and every shift and no, those two goals are not always one in the same.
I happen to fall into the category of guys who tip but won't tip or spend another dime on a dancer who asks for one. I have regulars in my regular club and meet new girls on the road all the time so I've experienced many different ways of being worked by a dancer. Please, make no mistake about it gentlemen, you are ALWAYS being worked...
For every girl who will sit for an hour to sell three dances there is one who will give you five minutes to make up your mind and then try to sell you on VIP the minute you say yes. There are girls who will track down every $20 dance on the floor and girls who will decide that some guy's $20 isn't worth the aggravation involved in getting it.
If you ask for a tip, you are doing nothing more than trying to (re)negotiate the price of the dance upward, yet most of the girls condemn any guy for suggesting a price break. Am I the only one who sees a double-standard being applied here?
BEM, here's the difference. When you try to negotiate you are telling a dancer that you are cheap and that her services are not worth the going rate to you. How can this be a good thing for the customer expecting a quality product? When she asks for a tip after the dance she has already delivered the service. It is up to you to decide on tipping her or not. It's not going to change the quality of the dance you just got and, if she is asking, she has already decided that she is willing to risk not getting anymore of your business.
I spend the vast majority of my strip club time and money with the same two or three dancers but I'm the first to admit that I'm not the kind of customer that every dancer is looking for.
bem401
11-24-2007, 10:06 AM
Well, if a dancer is looking to cultivate regulars she will take a different approach than a dancer who is looking to maximize profits on each and every shift and no, those two goals are not always one in the same.
I happen to fall into the category of guys who tip but won't tip or spend another dime on a dancer who asks for one. I have regulars in my regular club and meet new girls on the road all the time so I've experienced many different ways of being worked by a dancer. Please, make no mistake about it gentlemen, you are ALWAYS being worked...
For every girl who will sit for an hour to sell three dances there is one who will give you five minutes to make up your mind and then try to sell you on VIP the minute you say yes. There are girls who will track down every $20 dance on the floor and girls who will decide that some guy's $20 isn't worth the aggravation involved in getting it.
I think we are basically agreeing here. You yourself said you wouldn't spend another dime on a dancer who asks for a tip. I feel exactly the same way. I was merely pointing out to the poster that there is probably a sizeable percentage of guys ( and the posts here support it ) who feel that way. If she has considered this and still feels that asking for tips is the way to go, that's her prerogative.
BEM, here's the difference. When you try to negotiate you are telling a dancer that you are cheap and that her services are not worth the going rate to you. How can this be a good thing for the customer expecting a quality product? When she asks for a tip after the dance she has already delivered the service. It is up to you to decide on tipping her or not. It's not going to change the quality of the dance you just got and, if she is asking, she has already decided that she is willing to risk not getting anymore of your business.
I spend the vast majority of my strip club time and money with the same two or three dancers but I'm the first to admit that I'm not the kind of customer that every dancer is looking for.
First off, nowhere did I advocate negotiating. I agree with you totally about the message it sends and would personally be embarassed to do such a thing. I just don't see that big a difference between that and asking for a tip. Excepting that asking for a tip is an attempt to change the terms of the transaction after the fact, whereas negotiating takes place beforehand. The girl is an independent contractor, quotes a price for her service, and then asks for more after the service has been provided? I realize the customer has the right to decline, but that doesn't make it any less tacky than negotiating. I think we'd all agree everyone is aware that tipping is allowed in a SC so there's no need to remind anyone of that.
yoda57us
11-24-2007, 12:16 PM
First off, nowhere did I advocate negotiating. I agree with you totally about the message it sends and would personally be embarassed to do such a thing.
BEM, I never said you advocated negotiating. I merely responded to your post.
Katrine
11-24-2007, 02:36 PM
Oooooh Bem, so if I kiss your ass and spend hours for free with you without asking for anything, I might get another shot? Wow, you're so charming and generous, I bet all the top shelf hotties just throw themselves at you the moment you glide through the door.
Oh wait, is that a well or a call shot? What about top shelf?
Phil-W
11-25-2007, 05:20 AM
Proper negotiating technique No 427.
(1) Walk into SC and instantly become smitten by a dancer.
(2) Realise that she'll immediately fall in love with you if only she got to know the real you.
(3) Ignore the fact that she's half your age and has a fiance.
(4) Start visiting the SC regualrly & spend lots of money taking her to VIP every time.
(5) Don't get dances in VIP - just talk to her and tell her that it's the real her you are interested in, not the fact she's a dancer.
(6) Continue spending lots of money....
(7) Start making plans for honeymoon and marriage. (Her fiance will only last as long as it takes her to realise you're really the man for her).
(8 ) Continue spending lots of money - after all she's slowly coming to trust you. For example she's told you her real (actually 2nd fake) name.
(9) Continue spending lots of money....
(10) Continue spending lots of money....
(11) Find SW and post saying "why won't she become my GF?"
(12) Get ripped to shreds by dancers.
(13) Find blue side and post saying "Money grabbing B*tch".
(14) Get ripped to shreds by tag team of Katrine, Jenny and mr_p.
Phil. }:D
bem401
11-25-2007, 11:10 AM
Oooooh Bem, so if I kiss your ass and spend hours for free with you without asking for anything, I might get another shot? Wow, you're so charming and generous, I bet all the top shelf hotties just throw themselves at you the moment you glide through the door.
Oh wait, is that a well or a call shot? What about top shelf?
Somehow, despite all the charm, maturity, and intellect you display here, I doubt you'd even get a first shot. I would be polite though, in sending you on your way.
BTW, are you reading the same posts as the rest of us? Nowhere did I ever say anything you attributed to me. Next time you want to attack my positions, might I suggest you use the quote function. That way we can all be debating the same thing at the same time.
VegasPrincess
11-25-2007, 12:24 PM
I would love to have the little blue box! That would make me feel special, and I would almost rather have it than cash on occassion...
Joplin
11-25-2007, 01:59 PM
The only way I negotiate is at the very end of the night, if they say they have 15 bucks, I'll tell them I'll dance till the end of the song, assuming its about half way through. if its less than 15$/the song is less than half way through, forget it. Why would I encourage a habit that intern pays me less.....thats right, i wouldn't.
yoda57us
11-25-2007, 04:48 PM
First off, nowhere did I advocate negotiating. I agree with you totally about the message it sends and would personally be embarassed to do such a thing.
BTW, are you reading the same posts as the rest of us? Nowhere did I ever say anything you attributed to me. Next time you want to attack my positions, might I suggest you use the quote function. That way we can all be debating the same thing at the same time.
Bem, Seriously you have to get off of these continuing accusations that we are somehow misquoting you. We are allowed to read your posts and comment on them, drawing our own conclusions and opinions, just as you are allowed to do the same. Of course I would expect you to comment on our posts but this whole attitude that we are somehow misrepresenting what you said is really getting a bit tired. Our words are our words. It's just that simple.
Katrine
11-25-2007, 05:49 PM
Somehow, despite all the charm, maturity, and intellect you display here, I doubt you'd even get a first shot. I would be polite though, in sending you on your way.
Oh no honey, I'm an excellent liar. Somehow though, I don't think you really spend much money anyway, especially compared to your demands. Its all moot anyway, considering I am long retired and halfway across the country from you.
Now then, was your retort supposed to have some type of effect on me? Woulda, coulda, shoulda.....
PHXFan
11-25-2007, 06:48 PM
I would love to have the little blue box! That would make me feel special, and I would almost rather have it than cash on occassion...
...Adds Vegas Princess to Christmas list...;)
bem401
11-26-2007, 06:10 AM
Yoda, I took your "you" as specific and not universal, as I now realize it was intended. My error in that case, but your pal doesn't even bother quoting, because she then wouldn't be able to make the points she's tyring to. It would seem you save all your level-headed, unbiased observations for the other board.
yoda57us
11-26-2007, 09:00 AM
Yoda, I took your "you" as specific and not universal, as I now realize it was intended. My error in that case, but your pal doesn't even bother quoting, because she then wouldn't be able to make the points she's tyring to. It would seem you save all your level-headed, unbiased observations for the other board.
BEM, I read people's posts and I respond to them. It's not complicated, I do it the same way on every board that I am on and that is many. I say what's on my mind as it relates to what I just read. Again, simple plan. No ones observations are unbiased, we are all a product of our environment and our beliefs. As for the level-headed part, well, I'm always level headed. That's really not something you would be able to judge based on what I type into my computer.
As far my pal Kat goes, you are correct, she is not quoting you. That was kinda my point so I'm glad you agree. What she is doing is posting what's on her mind based on what she read. If she was claiming to be quoting you I guess you would have a logical point here but she wasn't so you don't.
bem401
11-27-2007, 09:44 AM
As far my pal Kat goes, you are correct, she is not quoting you. That was kinda my point so I'm glad you agree. What she is doing is posting what's on her mind based on what she read. If she was claiming to be quoting you I guess you would have a logical point here but she wasn't so you don't.
I refer you to post#87.
At least you debate things that are actually said.
Katrine
11-27-2007, 11:12 AM
I refer you to post#87.
At least you debate things that are actually said.
Bem, has is dawned on you yet that you will never elicit a proper response from me? I'm not here to discuss anything with you. Rather, you are simply a toy for my amusement. Buy hey, its free attention, right! :P
yoda57us
11-27-2007, 11:38 AM
I refer you to post#87.
At least you debate things that are actually said.
You lost me BEM. I read the post but I still don't see where Kat is doing anything but giving us her opinion. She is not quoting you or claiming to.
Jenny
11-27-2007, 12:00 PM
yoda; bem - I would suggest that you two debating about Kat's character is a little done. We all know her - we have to come to our own opinions long ago (personally, I think she is a dirty post-whore ;))
yoda57us
11-27-2007, 12:27 PM
yoda; bem - I would suggest that you two debating about Kat's character is a little done. We all know her - we have to come to our own opinions long ago (personally, I think she is a dirty post-whore ;))
I would tend to agree with you Jenny, my problem has always been that I can't walk away from a good pissing contest....or even a bad one.::)
DancingQN
12-03-2007, 03:16 PM
Guy: Can I get a free dance since i already bought
I think a customer negotiating is the same as the stripper that asks for tips.
What a good analogy! I would never ask for a tip after a dance. I have heard girls do this and then I have heard a fight break out because of it. (Gotta love drunk girls and guys)
Although I have considered "deals," it usually has to do with a certain amount per hour rather than a per dance cost. I always make sure I am making out though in the long run. Guys have asked for a two for one, and I tell them I'm not on sale. If they want the luxury items, they have to be willing to pay full price!
UtahMike
12-03-2007, 09:54 PM
I've recently eaten at two restaurants/take-out places where there was a cup by the cash register and a sign that said "Tips are appreciated." Whenever a dancer has asked me, "Would you like to tip me," I HAVE tipped, but I've been irritated and did not buy any more dances. I would not be bothered by discreet signs in the LD area that said, "Tips are appreciated." OTOH, in this part of the country, the up front payment for a dance is considered to be a tip. The times I have tipped more after a dance, I have seen great astonishment. One girl actually said, "Nobody EVER does that here."
One dancer (same one as above) told me that her mother had also been a dancer. In the days when her mother danced, when she went on stage, the piano player (Yeah, this was a few years back.) would put a glass on the stage. Mom would not go on until there was at least $50 in tips in the glass, and she would not take anything off until there was another $50 in the glass.
Before I became eddicated on StripperWeb, I thought that when I was at the stage, I would tip AFTER the dancer took off her top, sort of a reward for her doing so. Now that I are eddicated, I tip first and she takes the top off a lot sooner. I kind of suspect a lot of the other customers still think the way I used to think.
How do you change this? With eddication, of course! I've heard LOTS of DJs say, "Come on guys, the dancers here work for tips alone!" BUT, I have yet to hear one say, "Guys, if you want Straykat take off that top, let's see some cash on the stage!"