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BalletBaby
10-30-2007, 05:35 PM
What bugs me is when people say things like "Ambercrombie" though. If you're going to be a label whore, at least get your pronunciation right.

I's sorry. I can't help it:-[

Sh0t
10-30-2007, 06:57 PM
She seems like the stripperweb ideal to me. A woman who made some money stripping, put herself through college to gain several degrees, made herself into a business with acting, modeling, singing, whatever.

She isn't talking that bad to me. Maybe you guys need to get out more.

She's also over 30 and pretty damn fine.



I love her jawline

stellaforstars
10-30-2007, 10:08 PM
She isn't talking that bad to me. M


She's isn't "talking that bad?"

I see why you are not bothered by her grammar.

LilyLove
10-31-2007, 04:26 AM
I think she's a little ashamed of her past stripping, because she keeps repeating that she "only did it on and off." And she says it was a "miniscule" part of her life. She is so defensive about why she did it.

"Had to do this, and had to do that" Come on, just own it.

I would be a lot happier about this if she hadn't actually been so, well, disrespecful towards strippers.

ahmeerah
10-31-2007, 06:05 AM
She's also over 30 and pretty damn fine.

What does her being over 30 have to do with anything again?

pookie
10-31-2007, 06:10 AM
She seems like the stripperweb ideal to me. A woman who made some money stripping, put herself through college to gain several degrees, made herself into a business with acting, modeling, singing, whatever.

She isn't talking that bad to me. Maybe you guys need to get out more.

She's also over 30 and pretty damn fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaaZCSy0o5M

I love her jawline

One of her main problem is that her ideas are scattered and she spats them out all over the place. She has a problem being articulate on camera because she is trying to hard. Which also equals into her either being fake or coming off as fake. When she does have those moments when she is letting herself out its better. BUT she needs to learn how to connect being articulate, expressing her thoughts in an intelligent way that also show her normal personalty.

pookie
10-31-2007, 06:24 AM
Holla Chris Crocker!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw1DQUbil4g


oooh ooh... she has a sense of humor!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t36D-SGzuoA

beauty21queen
10-31-2007, 09:30 AM
Wow, in most of her photos she looks pretty manly.And if she has all this money can she please remove that skin/liver spot/ mole, whatever nasty thing on her boob? It's freaking me out. And I still have no idea who she is, but she's apparently famous??

I have to wonder that if she was an SW member would you be saying," wow you're sooo pretty!!" because it seems everyone does that and then when they post a pic of someone noone knows everyone comments on how they think she's ugly even though there usually better looking then most of them.

DJ Machismo
10-31-2007, 09:35 AM
She's definitely not bad looking, its the mannerisms and accent that turn me way the fuck off.

Sh0t
10-31-2007, 10:07 AM
It's turning you WAY off?

I'm ready to fuck IMO

Lysondra
10-31-2007, 10:17 AM
I thought she was pretty and just needed a better colourist for her bleachy head.

Her personality did me nothing though.

It'd still maybe do her if we met at a bar. But I've been a horny freak lately. The dog cannot join.

Sh0t
10-31-2007, 10:19 AM
Stop being a speciesist.

Mastridonicus
10-31-2007, 11:24 AM
Whom exactly is she failing to impress? She's getting tv show appearances, acting jobs, modeling jobs, a recording contract, etc. Who is she failing to impress? Obviously what she is doing is working.

She's failing to impress her audience.



I doubt she cares to impress stripperweb hustle haters.


Judging by her use of the YouTube medium, she must value the YouTube audience. This includes the SW Hustle Haters. Though I am sure she's not holding her breath hoping everyone receives her message as she intended. Whatever that may be.



It doesn't suck and it's not true. Her success proves it is not.

She's successful in other venues and that is all fine and dandy. But her flop in this attempt to reach (guessing) Tyra's audience to convince them Tyra's the asshole suggests something different.


I know a lot of smart people who stutter, who aren't very eloquent, aren't good at public speaking, etc.


Most of us can say we do. We can also say that those people take extra time and consideration into the planning before a public appearance to make sure they take the actions necessary to ensure their point gets across and clearly to as many people as possible. Thusly proving that they are, in fact, smart.


Defending this video in any way is like defending the Miss Teen South Carolina video. Maybe she got a psychology degree, but she is rambling and seems intoxicated in this video.

LOL. Haahahahaha


The fact is, if she's trying to reach the audience that she felt Tyra led in crucifying her, then she should take a long hard look in the mirror, and decide if how she is presenting herself would do so. I'm not even talking about dress. I would be much more impressed if she showed even the slightest inkling in PLANNING her talk. I'm not even talking about her dress.

She had a message that needed to get out that, in many ways, needed to be heard. In doing so, she not only made herself look worse, but she also strengthened the argument. I'd wager even more-so in the eyes of the people she's trying to convince that TYRA is the problem.

If she was trying to make men side with her because she looks extremely fuckable and therefor over look her inadequacies in this outreach attempt and make the men align themselves with the possibility that there are other women out there, like her, that they could get with, then: Mission Accomplished.

francescadubois
10-31-2007, 02:23 PM
Her radio show has been cut from XM radio, I think.

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!! :dance:

pookie
10-31-2007, 02:36 PM
The fact is, if she's trying to reach the audience that she felt Tyra led in crucifying her, then she should take a long hard look in the mirror, and decide if how she is presenting herself would do so. I'm not even talking about dress. I would be much more impressed if she showed even the slightest inkling in PLANNING her talk. I'm not even talking about her dress.

She had a message that needed to get out that, in many ways, needed to be heard. In doing so, she not only made herself look worse, but she also strengthened the argument. I'd wager even more-so in the eyes of the people she's trying to convince that TYRA is the problem.

If she was trying to make men side with her because she looks extremely fuckable and therefor over look her inadequacies in this outreach attempt and make the men align themselves with the possibility that there are other women out there, like her, that they could get with, then: Mission Accomplished.

Sasha Grey who also was on tyray show also confronted her audience on youtube.
She tactfully expressed what Tyra's show did that mis represented her.

here is sasha on the show:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxUq_zzvAaA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=mYs2YfNlRBg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=06SHWu1ebc0
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RioTz9BarWU

here is her speech after:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=qFTEoBR215E

and a random interview
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dRDpXQYNQGo

cameron_keys
10-31-2007, 02:57 PM
See..Sasha carries herself much better and says what she has to say in a mature fashion without resorting to dressing like a slut or name calling. Much better.


The problem is..if you want people to know you are smart....and you make a choice to speak publically..you should SOUND smart. You cant expect anyone to respect you if you are not eloquent or articulate and scream and name call like a child.

I respect Iliana for what she has accomplished, she is a beautiful woman....but she is not suitable to be the voice of a group.

BrunetteGoddess
10-31-2007, 03:08 PM
I have to wonder that if she was an SW member would you be saying," wow you're sooo pretty!!" because it seems everyone does that and then when they post a pic of someone noone knows everyone comments on how they think she's ugly even though there usually better looking then most of them.

No. I still would think she looked manly, but would probably keep it to myself.

cameron_keys
10-31-2007, 03:09 PM
No. I still would think she looked manly, but would probably keep it to myself.

Yep...plus its much easier to see the beauty in people you know and like

stellaforstars
10-31-2007, 03:14 PM
Oh wow...I just looked at Iliana's page...

I didn't realize that the only thing necessary to be considered a movie star is to have had roles in skinemax films...

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the erotic movies. But I'm quite sure now that she's full of shit, because she went on and on and on about all the movies she's been in and definitely meant to imply that they were "MPAA accredited" films.

I'm sorry, but I am not a fan of this woman...At all.

I wish that someone of Cameron or Jenny's caliber had been the guest on Tyra's show that decided to respond in kind. Tyra would have been in serious trouble then.

cameron_keys
10-31-2007, 03:46 PM
I wish that someone of Cameron or Jenny's caliber had been the guest on Tyra's show that decided to respond in kind. Tyra would have been in serious trouble then.

Nah...stil would have been cut and edited to make us look bad however they could. Tyras show is a joke...just like she is. Anyone that doesnt agree with her is sabatoged.

sun child
10-31-2007, 06:20 PM
I think Sasha is awesome! I would do a porn with her...

Djoser
11-05-2007, 09:09 AM
That woman wouldn't have lasted a week at my college, which is ranked on about the same level as Berkeley. I can't see her making it 4 years there. I don't believe it.

Though I agree with her about Tyra being full of shit, she wasn't too impressive other than that.

stellaforstars
11-05-2007, 09:18 AM
Oh, I'll agree with that, Cameron. But had you decided to make a YouTube vid in response, you would have *destroyed* Tyra, rather than making yourself look like a complete and total ass.

cameron_keys
11-05-2007, 09:37 AM
Oh, I'll agree with that, Cameron. But had you decided to make a YouTube vid in response, you would have *destroyed* Tyra, rather than making yourself look like a complete and total ass.

Well I'd like to think so! I am all edumacated and stuff....

Sh0t
11-05-2007, 09:57 AM
Post a video then

Going to college doesn't automatically turn one into a good public speaker.



That woman wouldn't have lasted a week at my college, which is ranked on about the same level as Berkeley. I can't see her making it 4 years there. I don't believe it.

Though I agree with her about Tyra being full of shit, she wasn't too impressive other than that.

That just sounds like ignorance to me. Watch some of her other videos. She is not THAT bad. Are you telling me everybody you went to school with had perfect pronunciation, never slurred, never used colloquialisms, never had a regional accent, etc?

I have a computer science degree and an MBA. I can't recall taking any classes that erased accents and even in the GE courses on "communication", most of the presentations given were lackluster. Most of the stuff focuses on how to research, how to organize writings and speeches, but not too many technical details on physically giving a speech or PR training.

My job involves a lot of public speaking(i'm a development liason and my job is specifically to bridge the gap between nerds and suits). I have been a toastmasters member for a long time and I can tell you, most of the people in there practicing their oratory are well educated people who feel becoming a proficient speaker will help them in their career(they are usually right).

Djoser
11-05-2007, 10:09 AM
That just sounds like ignorance to me. Watch some of her other videos. She is not THAT bad. Are you telling me everybody you went to school with had perfect pronunciation, never slurred, never used colloquialisms, never had a regional accent, etc?


...i'm a development liason and my job is specifically to bridge the gap between nerds and suits...

I'm assuming you mean you are a liaison. It's your job title, so I will also assume it was a typo.

No, not everyone I went to school with had perfect pronunciation. Some of them babbled to themselves in quite bizarre fashion, actually. Genius has a way of inhibiting communication at times, as I'm sure you are well aware if you have to help the nerds make themselves understood.

But that woman appeared to be a complete imbecile in that YouTube video. I don't have the time or inclination to watch her other videos, sorry.

cameron_keys
11-05-2007, 10:14 AM
What you arent getting Sh0t is thatt it doesnt matter how smart you actually are...if you dont SOUND smart or present yourself well..DONT SPEAK for the group!!! You will do more harm then good.

Paris
11-05-2007, 10:15 AM
She's an idiot. If she is so educated, she should have seen this coming a mile away.

I've never watch Tyra's show all the way through, but it is obvious that Trya is all about trash talking and making everyone besides Trya look like a moron.

Tyra probably has at least some say so on editorial content, so, she shouldn't have been at all surprised to find out that any possible music promotion would have been completely removed from the episode she appeared on.

I've got no sympathy for her. I turned down Jenny Jones flat when they called to ask me to appear on that show, for the same reason.

Djoser
11-05-2007, 10:22 AM
Exactly, only a complete idiot would fail to realize she was going to be bashed on Tyra, with the kind of background she had. Only a fool would fail to research the show they were appearing on before doing so.

That's like a guest on Jerry Springer assuming he was going to win the hearts of the audience for fucking his sister, because he gave her flowers and candy, and Jerry said they would publicize his country music CD.

Not that I don't think Tyra is full of shit, it's just quite apparent this woman is a fucking moron.

Sh0t
11-05-2007, 10:29 AM
What you arent getting Sh0t is thatt it doesnt matter how smart you actually are...if you dont SOUND smart or present yourself well..DONT SPEAK for the group!!! You will do more harm then good.

Thanks mom, but being a representative of a minority-within-a-minority(black libertarians), I'm quite familiar with that.

I also disagree. Most people really are not that judgemental when it comes to how a speech is delivered because I feel most relate to the idea of public speaking being such a major fear in America.

I rather somebody have a poor delivery and say SOMETHING than not bother saying anything if they felt something needed to be said.

Often times, very slick public speakers often come across too polished and not very "real". Salesman-like.

She's at least attempted to clarify things and exposed some dirty-dealings with the Tyra Banks show. I really don't think her[Illiana's] audience will be as judgemental, if they even cared in the first place.


But that woman appeared to be a complete imbecile in that YouTube video. I don't have the time or inclination to watch her other videos, sorry.
A complete imbecile? Come on man, that's overboard. You just sound like a crazy hater.
You have the time and inclination to post on a thread about her, why not take a few seconds to look at another of her videos and have your initial reaction confirmed, at the very least?

cameron_keys
11-05-2007, 11:07 AM
I also disagree. Most people really are not that judgemental when it comes to how a speech is delivered because I feel most relate to the idea of public speaking being such a major fear in America.


Not when your entire speech is about how smart you are. If you go in public and sound like this "I'm so smart and stuff..like I wented to school and things and learnded all kinds of stuff so THER and heres my boobs ...and you'r ea big stupid head anyway with a yucky nose"

Bit of an exaggeration to make a point, but....people will hear that and think "yeah RIGHT shes smart"

If you honestly cant see that how you present yourself in public reflects upon peoples opinions of you...I feel for you.

Djoser
11-05-2007, 11:08 AM
"Crazy hater"? Now that's overboard.

She just bored hell out of me already, I'm not about to go see if she will do it again or not.

I don't have time for that shit, I have two days off and I want to be entertained, not find out if the woman fucking up completely and babbling like an idiot in that youtube is actually capable of coherent communication. It's not a matter of hating, it's a matter of the fact that I wasted several minutes watching her make an fool of herself already.

That's all the chance she gets.

SundayMorning
11-05-2007, 11:48 AM
Listening to the Sasha interviews and getting way frustrated with Tyra. I had no idea the depth of bigotry behind this woman. Damn.

Mastridonicus
11-05-2007, 12:07 PM
Post a video then

Going to college doesn't automatically turn one into a good public speaker.



That just sounds like ignorance to me. Watch some of her other videos. She is not THAT bad. Are you telling me everybody you went to school with had perfect pronunciation, never slurred, never used colloquialisms, never had a regional accent, etc?

I have a computer science degree and an MBA. I can't recall taking any classes that erased accents and even in the GE courses on "communication", most of the presentations given were lackluster. Most of the stuff focuses on how to research, how to organize writings and speeches, but not too many technical details on physically giving a speech or PR training.

My job involves a lot of public speaking(i'm a development liason and my job is specifically to bridge the gap between nerds and suits). I have been a toastmasters member for a long time and I can tell you, most of the people in there practicing their oratory are well educated people who feel becoming a proficient speaker will help them in their career(they are usually right).


You can argue all this till the black has come off you. You're absolutely right. The facts are:

She's hot.
She's intelligent.
She wanted to get a message out.
She was allegedly aiming to get a group of people to side with her that Tyra was a bitch.

She presented herself to show off her hotness being grater than her intelligence in
this instance, and the crowd that she presented to is so broad that only a percentage will see it, and only a percentage of THAT will watch this for anything other than humor (Youtubes PROVEN viewer ship is comedy seekers) and only a percentage of that will agree with her, and only a percentage of that will seek to validate her credentials.

IF SOMEWHERE IN THOSE DWINDLING NUMBERS she reaches someone seeking material like this in research to actually do something about it, I doubt she would lead with it as there are a plethora of allegedly less intelligent woman getting their anti-Tyra thoughts across in a more intelligent manner.

She just failed on this attempt. Doesn't say anything about any of her other attempts....that and you're read to fuck, so who can blame you for looking for the upshot.... sometimes we have to bullshit ourselves or else we're just lowering our standards.

cutey5032
11-05-2007, 05:58 PM
WOW....I just watched the Tyra show about Sasha....Tyra pisses me the fuck off. Sasha is so OBVIOUSLY intelligent and well-spoken. Everything she says MAKES SENSE. Tyra looks like such an idiot next to her. I can't believe Tyra had the nerve to say "You sound like a little girl, like your in middle school, etc." She doesn't sound like that at all. I can barely believe this girl is 18, she seems so mature compared to Tyra!! Tyra is the one who sounds like a child compared to this chick.

I fucking wish that Tyra would actually seriously research her topics more, and present the show in a more unbiased manner (who the hell am I kidding). What the FUCK is the point of exploring or researching something, if you refuse to think subjectively and open your mind to other opinions?? Why does she keep beating a dead horse about the sex industry if she won't listen to those who HAVE experienced it? What the fuck is the point?



The part I found most humor in:
SASHA: So I was doing a fellatio scene...
TYRA: Wait, is that oral sex?

HAHA DUMBASS.



And not to be a shallow bitch, but what the fuck was up with that "rebuttal" from that wildebeast of a woman?!?! Was she fucking serious about being in the sex industry?? "I progressed from stripper to prostitute to porn star...." bitch, please.
I can't even imagine what truck stop you were at. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sasha's career has to be on a whole different level. She (fat 19 year old) couldn't have expected to be taken seriously going into stripping/porn looking like that. I can't speak for the porn world, but stripping has such an emphasis on beauty I can't imagine this chick having a positive experience.

And I loved the fact that she was 19 too, like she had such a lengthy and worldy career in the Sex Industry. Like she has so much more experience on the 18 year old. Get someone with a REAL background on there and maybe I'd fucking take them seriously.

pookie
11-06-2007, 04:44 AM
And not to be a shallow bitch, but what the fuck was up with that "rebuttal" from that wildebeast of a woman?!?! Was she fucking serious about being in the sex industry?? "I progressed from stripper to prostitute to porn star...." bitch, please.
I can't even imagine what truck stop you were at. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Sasha's career has to be on a whole different level. She (fat 19 year old) couldn't have expected to be taken seriously going into stripping/porn looking like that. I can't speak for the porn world, but stripping has such an emphasis on beauty I can't imagine this chick having a positive experience.

And I loved the fact that she was 19 too, like she had such a lengthy and worldy career in the Sex Industry. Like she has so much more experience on the 18 year old. Get someone with a REAL background on there and maybe I'd fucking take them seriously.

maybe she went from stripping to prostitution because she couldn't make money stripping with her annoying attitude:O
Then decided maybe she should become famous for fucking and then did bad. And now she has a vendetta between herself and the adult industry. I think she was also saying certain things to please Tyra and the audience.

Circe
11-06-2007, 05:13 AM
Re: Sasha on Tyra...

Gah, same old. Her audience is of the sanctimonious, mundane variety, so it's not surprising. The women in the audience are obviously threatened that their husbands might beat off to Sasha's videos. And didn't Tyra have some issues with a SO and a stripper?

Like, nevermind what consenting adults do...if you do not have the same sexual comfort zone as Tyra, you are teh sinner.

And the quack they brought on saying that anal sex=loss of bowel control. Wow. That's just...scientifically unsound and sex-phobic.

AznExtasy
11-06-2007, 10:42 AM
She's got two degrees from UC Berkeley? Damn..

SundayMorning
11-06-2007, 01:31 PM
And the quack they brought on saying that anal sex=loss of bowel control. Wow. That's just...scientifically unsound and sex-phobic.

It drove me crazy when Dr Drew said that! I mean hello, consenting adults have anal sex all the fuckin time in their own relationships. Plus it's not like anyone in porn works every day of the year. You take a few days to recuperate and your body takes care of itself.

You know all the women in the audience were like "Mmmm HMMM! My man better not try to get me to do anal, I'll PROlapse!"

pinupgurl2k6
11-06-2007, 05:21 PM
Tyra, I can't stand her. She is bias I do agree with that. I also agree she has a major problem with strippers. She doesn't realize that when we buy things from Victoria's secret were paying her fscking salery with the money we danced to get.

She also abused her staff.. this woman has some serious issues of her own and honestly I don't think like her talk show at all and do not watch it.

Circe
11-06-2007, 05:54 PM
Oh yeah, also on ANTM she's criticized strippers for selling their sexuality. But when they come back at her with posing nude or scantily clad, she says when models do it, it's art.

But her claim to fame was Sports Illustrated and Victoria's Secret. Because you know, there's no sexual element there. It's art! In fact, it's so artistic that it's a cliche that men beat off to these magazines. They must really appreciate fine art.

Sh0t
11-06-2007, 06:43 PM
I emailed her this thread and here is her response:



Thankyou for that info....

Strippers always hated me....They used to attack me physically & verbally and did horrific things to me....thats why I had to travel around and do other things...I could never stay in one club too long cuz once they found out I was a Playboy model or had modeled in europe, or had done so much stuff in showbiz AND had 2 college degrees from UC Berkeley,OR they'd hear about the amount of $$$ I was making the trouble would start and Id have to move on....plus, I didnt use drugs or having alcohol abuse problems like they did...I NEVER met a stripper who had accomplished as much as I did....except maybe 2 that had phD's....

I always tried to make friends and none of them really wanted to be my friend-or if we were friends- they'd backstab me shortly afterwards.....

I still tried to give strippers props in my videoblog and this is the thanx I get! Fuck 'em! They are jealous becuz I live THEIR dreams while they stand there and watch....

I have recently started my own production company with a girlfriend...That is how Tyra got her talkshow- (its her OWN production co.)...

Success is the best revenge....lookout for either a realityshow or talkshow of my very own produced by ME to air on TV!

You'll see: I dont talk about it-I "BE'S" about it!!!!!!


thanx for the headsup!!!!

ciao!
xxoo
iliana
Don't listen to the haters ma, get your money.

stellaforstars
11-06-2007, 06:45 PM
^^How mature of you.

DJ Machismo
11-06-2007, 07:07 PM
Yet another reality and/or talk show that leads the masses in false ways of thinking.

Wow, must say, what an asshole move... you trying to butter her up to get in her pants Shottie?

xdamage
11-06-2007, 07:32 PM
My gut reaction was that she is very practiced at playing a role. Basically the stereotypical fear-me I-am-a-bitch and just-a-tad-dumb blond. A lot of guys like that type, and I'd bet it works for her. But she is so good at the part, my gut feeling was she is one of these people whose practiced persona and real-person have become blurred in an act, that even she doesn't know what is the real her and what is acting. The real person behind the role? Who knows, maybe she is intelligent, but part of the stereotype she seems to play so well is to come across as just a tad dumb (again, just an observation, but it does seem a lot of men like that type).

Anyway, who knows... since I find the dumb-blond, and bitchy people a turn off, I had trouble watching it, and gave up about half way through.

sexystephani
11-06-2007, 08:14 PM
Funny.

TheSexKitten
11-06-2007, 08:19 PM
Wow, Sh0t, cool. ::)

twisterinAZ
11-06-2007, 11:06 PM
I emailed her this thread and here is her response:


Don't listen to the haters ma, get your money.

Moron. I think the two of you would make an awesome couple.

Djoser
11-07-2007, 07:06 AM
Anyone feel motivated enough to contact Berkeley and see if this woman even attended classes there? I know diplomas can be independently printed, bought and framed, so that would rather be the proof I would require, a formal statement from Berkeley, stating that she does in fact have two degrees earned there.

I don't buy it...

Her saying she's intelligent isn't scientific proof she's intelligent, nor is any member here who buys into it saying so, any sort of proof in my mind.

But I confess the interest level in my mind is decreasing rapidly even as I type these words. The effort to reply, in the space of about 120 seconds, is about as much as I want to expend. So it's up to someone else to do it.

cutey5032
11-07-2007, 07:25 AM
^^ask Sh0t