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Sh0t
11-12-2007, 09:44 PM
Never said anything about anybody not getting laid, period. Referring to this site in particular

xdamage
11-12-2007, 11:43 PM
The problem isn't that the women are bad to have around themselves. The problem is that men act retarded when good looking women are present. I think it's the exact OPPOSITE of what xdamage is saying. Same goes for forums and irc. When it's just guys, everybody acts cool, but as soon as there is some chick around to impress, people get faggy.


You may be right. It would be an interesting experiment. I work mostly with guys, but the introduction of a couple of younger women seems to have improved the office mood considerably, but then again it's white collar, and the guys are use to self-managing. It really hasn't harmed productivity. Could be it depends on the demographics of the men?

Also it helps that we don't have so many women that they are cat fighting with each other. Once that happens then you start seeing the guys taking sides to try and gain favor (hey, guys are very predictable). Invariably it's favor that will never pay off, but it doesn't take much for a woman to use a guy as an ego-stroker (although there is no way in hell she is ever going to sleep with him, the guy doesn't know it, and thinks her favor increases his odds, when in actuality it often has the exact opposite effect, seals for her that he is simply too weak and spineless to be mating material).

Anyway, I like watching the guys compete for the female attention. If nothing else it makes an otherwise dull situation mildly entertaining.

Bob_Loblaw
11-13-2007, 12:20 AM
...but then again it's white color...

?!? did you mean white collar?

Sh0t
11-13-2007, 08:26 AM
I'm at a white collar job, too. I'm a programmer.

There were no women around in my last industry, Marine Corps Infantry.

I look at it similarly to how guys are here with James(Jenny). The minute she posts, even if it is something totally not worth commenting on, people will write page-long responses to it. I believe it's done because they just want some "feminine" attention, albeit how silly.

xdamage
11-13-2007, 09:42 AM
?!? did you mean white collar?

Yes.!!!!

xdamage
11-13-2007, 10:10 AM
I'm at a white collar job, too. I'm a programmer.

Same. I think the guys here just need a break from the office and computer screens. A couple of attractive younger women brighten the office like fresh plants and open windows. A breath of fresh air in an otherwise sterile environment. These guys are basically self-starters, self-doers to begin with.




I look at it similarly to how guys are here with James(Jenny). The minute she posts, even if it is something totally not worth commenting on, people will write page-long responses to it. I believe it's done because they just want some "feminine" attention, albeit how silly.

Well. for James I write back because so much of it's just anti-male/anti-customer BS that he spews on a customer oriented, mostly male, board. And I'm 100% sure I'm now on James I'd never fuck-you-EVER list as a result of calling it out, but then there are more important things than being a someone's consideration list. Like pride, and it's actually okay for guys to be proud of being guys. Unfortunately too many of them have learned to cower or make apologies in the face of a young hottie, no matter how ignorant she is about what it is to be a guy, or how ignorant she is about her own bad behavior.

That is not to say I don't enjoy female attention, but in this case, I'd be happier if the anti-male/anti-customer sentiments stayed on the pink side where I can happily not read them. Arrange that, and I'll even join you and keep my posts over here, but if it's too purple-like over here, it hardly matters which side we read/post.

Sh0t
11-13-2007, 12:01 PM
My favorite is when a guy's opinion changes with what the girl in front of him thinks. A devout hockey fan will suddenly forsake the sport when his date/hot coworker mentions how much they hate sports.

I think we see that on pink a bit.

Jenny
11-13-2007, 12:15 PM
look, if you're going to continue to thread-jack..fine. however, don't blow effing smoke up my ass by saying you're not. it's complete BS.Like I said - just for the hell of it. Well, I hope that was fun for you, at any rate.

Jay Zeno
11-13-2007, 02:06 PM
Lot of overgeneralizations here....

Oh, yeah. Duh.

I work in a mostly female environment. We're all team-oriented, or i push 'em out the door. The gender mix doesn't seem to slow anyone down or speed anyone up......

... except for the delivery guys. They hang around and chat and even leer a little. (Not at me.)

OdysseusNJ
11-13-2007, 03:53 PM
My favorite is when a guy's opinion changes with what the girl in front of him thinks. A devout hockey fan will suddenly forsake the sport when his date/hot coworker mentions how much they hate sports.

I think we see that on pink a bit.



Thinking it over a little, I know what you mean; I'll add it's at least as much what guys won't say and how they censor themselves as it is what they do say. Yeah that certainly happens on pink. That's why I like a lot of your comments over there, they cut to the point and help even that tendancy out.

You still mixed up two issues before though. One can have a distaste for all male gatherings without necesarily having the habit you describe. I don't like watching sports, I don't play video games anymore, I hate beer, and I'm very liberal. Regardless of who is around. That eliminates a lot of the appeal of most sausage gatherings. Also a couple of close female friends of mine were sexually assaulted at frat parties which really soured me on the whole collegiate all male camraderie. Yes I know a lot of cool dudes who were in fraternities and cool chicks who were in sororities, I'm not trying to make a blanket statement on frat guys - but nonetheless I don't want to go to their parties. And obviously that kind of thing can happen elsewhere too.

I'm still in on whiskey, poker, fast cars, and rock and roll though. Plenty of testosterone there. Upper management too, for good or ill.

For the record, hockey (hetero or otherwise) rules. I still have a full set of goalie pads in the closet and will never deny that even if I don't get to use them much anymore and even if I'm hitting on some hippie girl. Playing and watching/following sports are two different things.

Wolverine
11-13-2007, 03:56 PM
Guys that put strippers on pedestals need not apply.

Katrine
11-13-2007, 08:24 PM
You may be right. It would be an interesting experiment. I work mostly with guys, but the introduction of a couple of younger women seems to have improved the office mood considerably, but then again it's white collar, and the guys are use to self-managing. It really hasn't harmed productivity. Could be it depends on the demographics of the men?

Also it helps that we don't have so many women that they are cat fighting with each other. Once that happens then you start seeing the guys taking sides to try and gain favor (hey, guys are very predictable). Invariably it's favor that will never pay off, but it doesn't take much for a woman to use a guy as an ego-stroker (although there is no way in hell she is ever going to sleep with him, the guy doesn't know it, and thinks her favor increases his odds, when in actuality it often has the exact opposite effect, seals for her that he is simply too weak and spineless to be mating material).

Anyway, I like watching the guys compete for the female attention. If nothing else it makes an otherwise dull situation mildly entertaining.

Wow, have you really, truly never worked in an environment where there were plenty of working women? Cat fights? Women as a tool for improving mood? I've never seen this, and I've worked in tech and finance, two male-dominated industries. Perhaps its your reality and observations, but I don't see it across the board. It isn't 1959.

Bob_Loblaw
11-13-2007, 11:11 PM
A devout hockey fan will suddenly forsake the sport when his date/hot coworker mentions how much they hate sports.

That would never happen up here!

Sh0t
11-13-2007, 11:17 PM
I saw it happen in Windsor Ontario!

Bob_Loblaw
11-13-2007, 11:33 PM
Not a real Canadian. Must have been a terrorist.

xdamage
11-14-2007, 06:17 AM
Wow, have you really, truly never worked in an environment where there were plenty of working women? Cat fights?


Absolutely I have, for 10 years worked with mostly females in a female dominated industry. And the SO still does and she also observes that women fight among themselves far more then men. In fact, they are absolutely subtle and cut-throat with each other. And reading stripper web further adds fuel to the belief that groups of women are often very subtle in their competativeness with each other. (by the way cat fight does not mean the scratch each other with nails in case you are reading the word literally).

Sometimes stereotypes exist because there is an element of truth to them. If you can't handle a stereotype because it is offensive to you, that is fine, but the stereotype exists for a reason whether or not you grasp it or have had enough experience to see it.



Women as a tool for improving mood?


Okay, this is a straw man argument. You used the words "tool for improving", I did not. Read what I wrote, but if you are looking to feel offended, or rewrite what I wrote to have something to be offended about, that's your issue, not what I wrote.

If you want a more PC version, simply say it like so... what if researchers found that men and women's productivity and mood improved when employeers hire a mix of both sexes? Said like that you might even think, okay, that's not unreasonable. Or what if researchers found out that men actually perform more poorly around younger attractive women (as sh0t suggested might be the case)?

It is possible to OBJECTIVELY study human nature, and talk about it without turning into a feminist witch hunt. Basically don't take someone's words and turn it into a "Are you saying GIRLS CAN"T DO MATH?" (search for Larry Summers on Google if that reference doesn't ring any bells).




I've never seen this, and I've worked in tech and finance, two male-dominated industries. Perhaps its your reality and observations, but I don't see it across the board. It isn't 1959.

If you haven't seen the cat fighting in strip clubs then you are blind. If you don't see changes in mens behavior around women, again, sorry but this is due to a lack of observational skills on your part.

And I've worked longer then you in more industries, and I am a male and you are not, so I'll trust my own observations over your own, thank you.

And please, the 1959 thing. Come on. You have no idea how naive this popular thing is to say. Human nature hasn't changed in 40 years. Some of the social conventions have, but the fundamental human nature is no different then it was when I was a kid. I don't really mind input, but again, I have far more life experience then you across a broader range of social periods, and frankly, this comes across as just PC naiveness. A popular thing to say, but naive nonetheless.

Sh0t
11-14-2007, 08:33 AM
I can't speak for finance but women do effect shit in computer industries.

One of my coworkers is at best a 6, a 6! but she thinks she is a fucking supermdel because of how the guys treat her. Simply because compared to the other women who are also programmers or whatever, she is a beauty queen.

I don't see much female-to-female cattiness but that's because I wouldn't be around to notice. But it's very evident in the men when the women are around. Straight nerds who don't know how to make a women feel insecure.

xdamage
11-14-2007, 10:05 AM
I can't speak for finance but women do effect shit in computer industries.

One of my coworkers is at best a 6, a 6! but she thinks she is a fucking supermdel because of how the guys treat her. Simply because compared to the other women who are also programmers or whatever, she is a beauty queen.

Many industries already have quite a large number of women working in them so for someone relatively young and entering those fields today, they don't have the recollections to compare against what it was like when it was men only industry or worked in a men-only or men-mostly office.

But I'm also in the computer industry (programmer) and the number of women we have applying for our open programming jobs is 0 or nearly so. It is one of those fields where you still have a chance to see what happens when the setting goes from being all male to many males + a female.

Of course over time the dynamics change. How the guys treat a long standing female employee will differ from how they tend to treat a new employee, and I also think I see changes in dynamics as the ratio of male to female employees approaches 50/50. It's fun to watch, and would make for some interesting studies from a purely academic/curiosity view if nothing else.

Katrine
11-14-2007, 11:20 AM
X,
I'm not offended and you aren't going to get a debate out of me. Stripclubs are NOT a corporate office environment. The rules do not apply. Obviously I've seen catfights in the SC.

In order to keep the peace, I am not going to address your attack, since my own post was rather ad hominem in its own rhetoric.

At this point, I know what I see. And we do not have such issues in my office due to the nature of my business. We are not working on teams for the greater good of the company. We build our own client base, and the company gives us the resources to do it. Sometimes people partner up. All of our "secretaries" are female. Perhaps there is cattiness amongst them but I don't hang out waiting for it to happen. They come to me. But as far as what I do, its not apples:apples comparing it to programming department at an IT firm NOR a stripclub.

Human nature notwithstanding, they are just different interactive environments.

Sitri
11-16-2007, 09:11 AM
Move you asses over and make some room for me.

I think 98% of the quality girls that I enjoyed have bailed out or post over here anyway. It's like being in your fourth year of college and going back to the high school prom over there any more.

If I read one more "poor me" thread, I think I am going to emasculate myself.

Sh0t
11-16-2007, 11:33 AM
Yea I was just thinking the other day of a lot of the women I knew who don't post anymore, many I still talk to on the phone or in person, but they no longer post here.

Quite a few girls were hated off SW too.

OTB, TFD, RD, etc.

Sitri
11-16-2007, 06:01 PM
Yea I was just thinking the other day of a lot of the women I knew who don't post anymore, many I still talk to on the phone or in person, but they no longer post here.

Quite a few girls were hated off SW too.

OTB, TFD, RD, etc.

Exactly some of my FAVs too. Or like Gynger, they just moved on.

Katrine
11-16-2007, 10:11 PM
RD? Rose Delight?

Docido
11-17-2007, 06:00 AM
Exactly some of my FAVs too. Or like Gynger, they just moved on.

Or aussiepunkshocker, who said f--- the drama and just left. I miss Tart too. I could never figure out why so many people hated her. B hardly ever posts anymore.

Phil-W
11-18-2007, 09:51 AM
The pink side is always going to be a problem because it's intended for dancers but with male input allowed.

The dancers on the pink side cover the full spectrum from liking male input to disliking it intensely. I suspect the 'dislikes' tend to exert more of an influence that the 'likes' mainly because they'll PM mods/report posts wheras the 'likes' will just respond to the post.

It does make it very difficult to gauge how posts are being received. You see the "good post" comments, but the negative responses are hidden from you. It's very rarely you see a 'dislike' dancer actually posts that they think male input is inappropriate in that thread.

Another problem is the type/frequency of male posting. A few troll like posts will put dancers back's up, but so will an increased volume of well meaning posts. Means the 'acceptability' criterea for male posting is continually changing.

If it were up to me, I'd tend to rarrange pink into 'pink' and mauve' and say dancers only in pink (Ladies Only, SG, Body Business, etc) but any polite post within reason in CC, Newbie Board, etc.

Personally, I think the pink side would be boring without male input and the blue side ditto without dancers chipping in.

Phil.

Sh0t
11-18-2007, 07:14 PM
They should make it chicks only. The very fact they allow some male comment drives away a lot of women. Far more of them want male opinion gone but saying so is kinda ~~~~, ya know?

Everybody wants to appear reasonable. I brought this up because the ones I know IRL say it, but they have yet to post an opinion on it. Why, I dunno.

If anything, the male side should open to all women, but leave the female side, female. If women are there, men will be around, it's more important to facilitate a comfortable environment for chicks.

But the guys can't let it go, because they want the female attention, positive or negative.

That's pretty sexist of you to assume the pink side would be boring without male input. You think women are boring?

Most forums are male only anyway, by default, and they are great. It's only boring when guys are trying to grasp at straws of female energy via the pipes of the Gore.

Dirty Ernie
11-18-2007, 11:01 PM
So...the great experiment ends. I clicked on, seeing sh0t was the most recent post, half-expecting a mea culpa and find the above. Tsk..Tsk. I thought you were stronger. j/k Blue's too damn slow anyway.

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 08:11 AM
Nothing ending here for me. Blue side all day. Throw it up.

I will channel the spirit of /b/ into Stripperweb.

The new Duran Duran ALbum is That Shit.

xdamage
11-19-2007, 09:11 AM
They should make it chicks only. The very fact they allow some male comment drives away a lot of women. Far more of them want male opinion gone but saying so is kinda ~~~~, ya know?


I have mixed opinions. I knew another support group that made it very clear, if you had no business in the group in terms of being there for support, get the fuck out. For those who just want support, and to hear what they want to hear, that works fine. The only problem is that many of the people also seemed to get it into their head that the artificial reality of the support group extends to the real world. There is something to be said for not creating an overly closed off artificial reality because for some people it ends up doing them as much harm as good. Once they go back to dealing with the rest of the world, they aren't always going to hear just what they want to hear.

So I think there is the possibility that if pink was closed off too much, you'd simply find the emotional unstable women coming over to blue to lob grenades, then they'd go running back to the safety of their artificial world. By keeping the pink side more open all along, it helps maintain some grounding in reality. And yes, this will assuredly trigger James because it is "insulting" suggesting that there is something wrong with some women for being "them". Yes, there is something wrong with some people, some times it's men, some times women. James is an example of someone that only wants to hear what James wants to hear else throws a temper tantrum. But for the most part, we don't see too many women coming over here at the moment using the blue side as their place to take out all of their male issues on the customers. But it does happen from time to time. And I predict it will be worse if you completely close off the pink side from all male input.

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 09:26 AM
Let them lob grenades at us, they are just girls. Are you afraid of little girls?

Svelt
11-19-2007, 10:29 AM
Let them lob grenades at us, they are just girls. Are you afraid of little girls?

Of course I am afraid of little girls...

They have teeth this big!!!

...searches for the holy handgrenade

xdamage
11-19-2007, 10:59 AM
Let them lob grenades at us, they are just girls. Are you afraid of little girls?

My post was not meant to be insulting to the women. "Little girls" is derogatory.

Of course some men never out grow being little boys, and likewise some women, but I'd prefer those with customer/man issues stay in the artificial reality land. It's not fear. It is that the drama they bring with them and BS sucks because invariably we end up with males over here who just want to suck up to them to gain favor with a dancer/hottie (even if she is an emotional mess). I prefer if that all stays out of blue myself, but of course, to each his own.

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 11:32 AM
It's not derogatory, it's just a device to help keep things in perspective.

Don't be afraid of the little girls.

minnow
11-19-2007, 12:34 PM
I'm in favor of keeping blue & pink "co-ed". Segregating would make things boring , fast. On another "db", the same 6 guys probably account for 90% of posts, vive le differance!!

xdamage
11-19-2007, 07:54 PM
It's not derogatory, it's just a device to help keep things in perspective.

I do understand you might have meant it as a device to keep perspective, but still, it's also bound to be taken as a derogatory phrase by some, which I assume you know, but just don't care? I do however care since I am not looking to insult the women as a whole.

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 07:58 PM
Women aren't insulted when you call them little girls. It's what they want: a guy who can make them feel like a kid again.

zxcire
11-19-2007, 08:18 PM
Women aren't insulted when you call them little girls. It's what they want: a guy who can make them feel like a kid again.

you are incredibly strange and not right about that.

Ferret
12-04-2007, 11:14 AM
Ahh. So this is the blue side. I now realize that my previous excursion to what I thought was the blue side was actually the pink side in the color blue.

Yes, I have a few topics in mind to discuss but I am still adjusting the width of the brush, so to speak.

Deogol
12-24-2007, 12:26 AM
Ahh. So this is the blue side. I now realize that my previous excursion to what I thought was the blue side was actually the pink side in the color blue.

Yes, I have a few topics in mind to discuss but I am still adjusting the width of the brush, so to speak.

Fuckin eh.

Once on the pink side I had a case of "oh my god look at this bullshit babbling" and brought it over to blue.

The blue side turned out to be bigger fucking nancies than anyone on the pink side.

maximvsv
12-27-2007, 04:55 PM
I ain't avoidin' nuthin'

If I want to just talk to a bunch of guys, I've got plenty of perfectly functional drinking establishments for it. Or I could hang out at church.

pookie
12-27-2007, 04:57 PM
wh y cant this thea thread die?? i dont want shot steall all of the penisis. they are mine.... i will distribute them evenly....

maximvsv
12-27-2007, 05:03 PM
It won't die because it says "welcome" right there in the title.

Just so we're clear, you do not have permission to distribute my penis. If you are looking for a distributorship, please sumbit a resume, cover letter and three references, just like everyone else...

zxcire
12-27-2007, 05:45 PM
Ssshhhhh, he might sense we're talking about him and come back...:O

Bob_Loblaw
12-27-2007, 06:08 PM
wh y cant this thea thread die?? i dont want shot steall all of the penisis. they are mine.... i will distribute them evenly....

ROLFMAO, if this thread results in more posts like this, I hope it never ends!
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/alcoholic.gif

MsQwerty
12-29-2007, 12:43 AM
Pssst, aussiepunk didnt leave, but she is surprised that no ones connected her hideous spelling mistakes and backwards smileys to her new username (-; ;D


Or aussiepunkshocker, who said f--- the drama and just left. I miss Tart too. I could never figure out why so many people hated her. B hardly ever posts anymore.

Bob_Loblaw
12-29-2007, 01:15 AM
^^^ Some of us figured out the connection though I assure you it in no way reflects on any poor spelling or backward ways. But how appropriate your avatar is a type writer!
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/images/smilies/type.gif

MsQwerty
12-29-2007, 03:37 AM
^^^Haha thanks, but Im thinking perhaps I should have callled myself Ms Qserty ;D
Bob that clip in your sig is hilarious, I cant stop looking at it!

Docido
01-04-2008, 08:29 PM
Pssst, aussiepunk didnt leave, but she is surprised that no ones connected her hideous spelling mistakes and backwards smileys to her new username (-; ;D

I can't keep up with all you aussie's changing you screen names all the time. I did figure out pretty quickly who Lysondra was though. ;D