View Full Version : Stripping = Sex Industry NO FLAMING!!!!
Jenny
11-08-2007, 07:04 PM
That's what I figure. It's a common attitude up here, since many girls do stage-only, no contact, so they figure they're 'performers'. Dude, you show your asshole for money. It's sex work.
Scarlett - just for the record. I don't even have an asshole. Okay? Yes, it's really weird. So I'm not a sex worker. But clearly I'm the exception.
Seriously though - what's weird to me is the contention that you can't be both a performer and a sex worker. Like, of course they are performers. One hardly excludes the others.
mollyzmoon
11-08-2007, 07:39 PM
Sex industry, yes. There are reasons why others get so sketchy about it...why I don't tell my mom, why it's not going on the resume...why it pays so well.
Regarding stripper/hookers, eh. Maybe it's an Ontario attitude, but I have no problems with girls setting up OTC prostitution with SC customers. The customers, some of them, really expect it. I think it's tradition around here. There are the ladies who do it, and there are the ladies who don't. It really does not mean that the guy is going to keep looking for the hooker before he spends his money, though. For serious!! I've had guys spend $500 on me in the club, for just dancing, all the while muttering "are you sure you don't go out? No? Alright, fine". And then they go home, not with other dancers. It seems that quite often they'll just try to get the dancer of their choice to the hotel, and if she's an non-OTC lady, then oh well.
I mean, it's legal here too. Managers say good night to some ladies going home with their 'regulars' at closing, and even let these fellows stay past 2am to wait for their dancer. Why? Because they spend money in the club as well. Dancer/ hookers here...see, they just make a lot more than regular escorts. Because they front like they're really very reluctant to go out, all the while getting hundreds in the club, maybe for a week...and then finally they 'give in' for like $2000 or something. Like ten times more than the local agencies ask for. I can't fault them for that logic. And I still make money, and hell, maybe it even brings in more customers...the notion that maybe they can convince a lady to do more...it's like a hunt. I mean, maybe it's like that everywhere. I'm rambling now. But I'm not offended by the question of whether I'll go out, as long as the guy doesn't start whining, and I don't begrudge someone who wants to work outside places past club hours. It's not something I do, and if it's their choice. So long as it's not in the club (which it's not), and they're not poaching customers (they don't...they don't offer anything that isn't begged for). I mean, some guys truly want to spend lots of money on dances, not sex. Otherwise we'd be out of business round here, with legal escorting, you know? But in fact, we make very good money as strippers only too.
I mean, forgive me for getting borderline off topic, but in Ottawa clubs, we offer significantly less contact than our Gatineau counterparts. Men can literally drive ten minutes away and get way more mileage, with equally pretty dancers, for the same prices. So unless they're French-a-phobic, why would they still spend plenty in our clubs? I don't know, but they do...there's more to it than getting more contacty sexin-like stuff for their buck, I think. It's a relevant analogy, I hope...
at321
11-08-2007, 08:22 PM
Even if you're working at a sex shop you're working in the sex industry because you're targeting the market of sexuality. It doesn't matter that you have sex with the person or just sell them dildos. It's part of the sex industry. IMHO, anything done with the right attitude within the sex industry is legite as long as no one is being harmed and there is mutual respect, agreement, etc. I don't put down prostitutes. Illegal prostitution is unfortunate because there is more risk involved and unfortunately a lot of girls are pushed into it. But, when done right, I consider another job like any other, even if it's not necessarily the one I'd choose for me.
Well, Holy-Gosh-Gee... I had absolutely NO idea that I was in the sex industry. :P
Taylorlila
11-08-2007, 08:30 PM
Yeah we are. If your posing nude in Penthouse or Playboy you're in the sex industry in some degree and you're not even coming near the guys.
Susan Wayward
11-08-2007, 08:35 PM
For the record, Dita is pretty underwhelming compared to some of our features when they go all out. You have to know who to look for, and where. Dita's got marketing, but our girls have mad skills. :D
examples and links please!
Callyish
11-08-2007, 09:01 PM
examples and links please!
Come to Vancouver anytime in the week of Nov 18...at Mugs n Jugs they're hosting Miss Nude BC. You will see some big ass impressive shows then ;) Otherwise go to just about any club in Alberta or BC and watch the girls just regular day to day shows. Our girls have some serious mad skill.
Our girls don't really market much we just bump around bar to bar doing our bookings but even just the regular girls in western Canada have some serious dance ability and pole work.
Some girls with great shows though would be Sandra Catz, Sheena De Janeiro, Sable, Kelly Kayne, Jeannie Stallone, Athena Fox... hell even our very own Scarlett puts on a great show.
Its just how things are here.
I've had American agents tell me if they could get a handful of Canadian girls the American girls would be busting their asses to up their game.
Im not saying American girls arnt any good. Im just saying the reason the girls in Canada are like this is because we rely on our shows to make our money because we get paid depending on our shows and costumes.
Though I still say some of the best dancers are Australian girls.... holy hell do they know how to put on a show.
Darcy Foxx
11-08-2007, 09:18 PM
Seriously though - what's weird to me is the contention that you can't be both a performer and a sex worker. Like, of course they are performers. One hardly excludes the others.
Exactly. I work at a show club and do big stage performances in huge, elaborate, themed costumes... but along with all the cute music and sparkles, I still rub my boobs and spread my legs. So in that context, I'd consider myself to be a performer within the sex industry.
And I'll second the notion that some of those Canadian girls could put Dita to shame when they're at their best. Some of the ones I've seen featuring at my club have just been incredible.
cutey5032
11-08-2007, 09:42 PM
We are part of the sex industry. Although some guys are starting to make me think its some warped pseduo-dating service.
And yeah, please don't be a stripper and knock prostitutes. You all love it when someone calls YOU a whore for being a stripper, I can't believe some of you are passing that judgment. Unless they are doing extras in your club of course
austinatalie
11-08-2007, 10:10 PM
i see what youre saying there, but then look at the movie example. an actress is getting paid to have a sex scene in a mainstream movie, and that isnt the sex industry.
dont get me wrong, i agree with your labeling of it. i just dont agree with some of your reasons why! :P
An actress getting paid to have a steamy scene in a mainstream movie isn't in the sex industry because the ultimate goal is to make a popular mainstream movie. BUT should the exact same actress go and decide to do exclusively movies consisting of lots of the exact same steamy scenes (like skinemax, late night HBO soft core porns) THAT would be the sex industry, because the goal would be to make tittilating movies.
nicole84
11-08-2007, 10:30 PM
I would have to say that I think stripping *is* a part of the sex industry. I also think 900 number workers are part of the sex industry. In my opinion, you don't have to be having sex, to be in the industry.
Sort of beside the point, but still on topic...why does it seem to matter so much to some girls that they are or are not part of the sex industry?
Corgan
11-08-2007, 10:39 PM
ugh. aussies are not better than canadians and canadians are not better than americans.
it's the girl herself that's better. get that straight.
Zinaida
11-08-2007, 11:37 PM
If your posing nude in Penthouse or Playboy you're in the sex industry in some degree and you're not even coming near the guys.I agree. Sixteen-year-old cleavage-bearing Britney Spears was a sex industry worker. So yeah, if people can see my vulva for thirty bucks I'm definitely working in the sex industry lol.
austinatalie
11-08-2007, 11:46 PM
I also think 900 number workers are part of the sex industry. In my opinion, you don't have to be having sex, to be in the industry.
oooh good point! i forgot about that one!
^Just look in the 'Other Work' section on here and most of the jobs/threads on there are in the sex industry. I said most, not all.
Personally, I love being in this industry. Sex sells, duh.
Callyish
11-08-2007, 11:52 PM
ugh. aussies are not better than canadians and canadians are not better than americans.
it's the girl herself that's better. get that straight.
Its not that they're better its that they are different. Western Canadian girls have to dance their little asses off because their pay cheque relies on how much of a show they put on. They don't dance and entertain, they get paid shit money.
So no im not saying they're better. Its a matter of the fact that they're much different.
Anyway we're off topic now lol.
Corgan
11-08-2007, 11:56 PM
I've had American agents tell me if they could get a handful of Canadian girls the American girls would be busting their asses to up their game.
i felt that you ensenuated it.
but okay, we are off topic, so let's drop it.
Darcy Foxx
11-08-2007, 11:57 PM
ugh. aussies are not better than canadians and canadians are not better than americans.
it's the girl herself that's better. get that straight.
no, but in terms of feature shows there's definitely a certain style relating to location. there is an australian style of show and there is a canadian style of show. yes, all australian/canadian girls are different, but there are certain moves, footwork, pole tricks, etc, that are typical of australian/canadian showgirls.
Callyish
11-09-2007, 12:01 AM
no, but in terms of feature shows there's definitely a certain style relating to location. there is an australian style of show and there is a canadian style of show. yes, all australian/canadian girls are different, but there are certain moves, footwork, pole tricks, etc, that are typical of australian/canadian showgirls.
Thank you Darcy! LoL
I can't word things for shit today/night.
Darcy said how I meant it.
The reason that i've had agents tell me that is because they feel the 'Canadian style' would go over so well because of how different it is.
Anyway back to the topic lol.
I thread jacked my own thread :rotfl:
AlexxaHex
11-09-2007, 12:19 AM
Selling actual sex and selling the illusion of sex are totally different, but still apart of the adult entertainment / sex industry.
I agree that the escorts should stay out of the clubs. I hate clubs that are just a front for a brothel.
This, honestly, is most of Southern California sans the topless and bikini bars. I have worked everywhere from Van Nuys to Orange County to Hollywood to the Inland Empire and have made the deduction that extras are going on very regularly (some constantly) in almost every single nude club. Bouncers are lax and expect big tips for lingering somewhere maybe near the VIP room, if only to count dances so they can collect their cut. Prostitutes flood the clubs (big time in City of Industry) offering whatever the customer wants ITC. This is not every single dancer obviously (we have to have some element of reality and illusion of still being a strip club with the few "good girls") but many of them very discreetly cater to their customers' sexual needs for extra money. It isn't spoken about openly, not even between dancers. Sometimes I think the only way we get customers is BECAUSE of them. So in LA our clubs are operating because of prostitutes.
We are expected to let a customer touch during a LD. Boob grabbing is standard. Management pretty much encourages extras by telling us that we should do the amount of contact we are comfortable with - sort of like a 'don't ask don't tell' policy. I definitely feel as though I am part of the sex industry working here.
Does that make me a hooker? Well then I guess I'm a hooker. It's obnoxious at best, fending off very literal and physical unwanted advances and offers for OTC contacts. I don't lose any sleep over it. I'd rather be able to feed my family and make good money than be someone's bitch behind the desk at some corporation.
Callyish
11-09-2007, 12:44 AM
I'd rather be able to feed my family and make good money than be someone's bitch behind the desk at some corporation.
I agree with this 100%!!!!
paintgoddess
11-09-2007, 01:15 AM
Sort of beside the point, but still on topic...why does it seem to matter so much to some girls that they are or are not part of the sex industry?
I think it's an issue of pride.
I'm proud of the fact that I can consistently make $500 a night and not suck, fuck, or grind. In other words, I'm proud of the fact that I can and am willing to do as little as possible for maximum profit. I'm one hell of a snooty stripper that way. I don't like thinking that what I do is part of the sex industry and it sure as hell is part of it too. We all want a part of it because among other reasons it's great money, but no one wants to be called a whore. Call me a sex industry worker. Just not a whore.
I think that people that sell not their bodies but their SOULS for 40 hours a week at a cash register or behind a desk should be pitied. I sold my soul. Then I got angry and decided to stick it to the man. In the nude. And started stripping.
The term "sex industry" has an accusatory fear attached to it. We all want to get rich. But no one wants to be the whore.
pinupgurl2k6
11-09-2007, 04:28 AM
Thank you Darcy! LoL
I can't word things for shit today/night.
Darcy said how I meant it.
The reason that i've had agents tell me that is because they feel the 'Canadian style' would go over so well because of how different it is.
Anyway back to the topic lol.
I thread jacked my own thread :rotfl:
Me too, but now I am very curious; I have never seen a girl from AU or CA dance.
I have met women from around the globe that have come to dance at a couple
clubs I worked in but what is the difference? I learned to dance in New Orleans
and if we didn't give an erotic performance or a good show it wasn't worth getting
up on stage.
pookie
11-09-2007, 05:13 AM
Maybe i have a strange different view. I see this stuff as the Adult Industry. I think porn, stripping etc... are all different branches of the Adult Industry. I can't completely say i do or don't feel stripper are or are not sex workers. To me a sex worker is somebody who has sex(literally). Yes dancers may create a stimulation, but that doesn't exactly make it sex.
I think the real problem is that 'society' has been trained to think that people who are in the adult industry(or however you label it) is bad. I don't think its bad, but i don't think it is appropriate for everybody's lifestyle
I'd rather be able to feed my family and make good money than be someone's bitch behind the desk at some corporation.
Man thats why i hate normal jobs.
oceana
11-09-2007, 05:28 AM
"Society" - exactly... made up those words, Adult or sex industry... it is their 'label' on us.
As I feel like i don't belong into that 'society' , I don't feel that i belong into what 'they' call sex industry..
It is what you make of it (as someone mention) I consider myself to be in Entertainment Industry. the word sex industry doesn't really stands for anyhing IMO.
oceana
11-09-2007, 05:33 AM
it's just that the word Industry (when i think about it) doesn't stand for what we do.... i don't feel like i am in any Industry ... lol
i know that doens't make any sense ... but so is dancing... it is hard to explain by any words... and the least sex industry....
To me, the sex/adult industry are pretty much the same thing... just like the terms dancer/stripper are. People may prefer to be called (or call it) one or the other, but they're both the same thing. One just sounds more 'tasteful' than the other.
PrettyCurlieQ
11-09-2007, 05:38 AM
Yes, we're definitely part of the sex industry. I think many of us are just desensitized to our position in it. I've felt that hypocrisy, but as you said, we get naked and grind on strangers for money. Just because we're not having sex at work (WE BETTER NOT BE HAVING SEX AT WORK!!!) doesn't mean we're not in the sex industry! Every club I've ever worked at has a Sexually Oriented Business License...
oceana
11-09-2007, 06:21 AM
Industry (from Latin industrius, "diligent, industrious"), is the segment of economy concerned with production of goods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industry
here -- LOL I don't produce any goods by dancing for men.....
^^^
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n. pl. in·dus·tries 1. Commercial production and sale of goods.
2. A specific branch of manufacture and trade: the textile industry. See Synonyms at business (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/business).
3. The sector of an economy made up of manufacturing enterprises: government regulation of industry.
4. Industrial management.
5. Energetic devotion to a task or an endeavor; diligence: demonstrated great intelligence and industry as a prosecutor.
6. Ongoing work or study associated with a specified subject or figure: the Civil War industry; the Hemingway industry.
7. Archaeology a. A collection of artifacts or tools made from a specified material: a Mesolithic bone industry.
b. A standardized tradition of toolmaking associated with a specified tool or culture: a stone hand-ax industry; the Acheulian industry.
Clearly, you're not seeing the BIG picture. Business is a synonym. Click on it.
oceana
11-09-2007, 06:50 AM
^^^
i guess
I was just trying to have different outlook...
I still am not consediring myself to be in sex industry...
It doesn't vibe with me. that's all.
And i am not prudent or no contact dancer. i work in full contact club. maybe i am in denial, or i just don't belong in lines of what society is thinking of me...
Habinairo
11-09-2007, 09:50 AM
I'm in a completely no contact dancer club, well some do it, but we run them out. There are certain places for certain things, the girls come to this place to not be touched, and when I get a guy in and he's looking for a girl outside, I tell him about the escort service here. I tell him the name and it's in the phone book, he can look up the address and go there. But if he wants a girl from here, he's not going to find it. And, there are contact clubs too, and if they want contact, they can go there, that's not at my club, and personally, I would like to keep it that way.
Where I work, yeah it's part of the sex-industry. I'm selling sexual stimulation, I'm sexually arousing the guys or girls I dance for, I mean, for completely no contact, and the guy gets an erection, he's obviously sexually aroused, and I caused that, and he paid for me to do so. I don't think it's a big deal.
And erotic art and stripping I think are almost the same, yet different too. If it's erotic art you're enjoying the human body and the contours of it, the texture and the style. Yet, it doesn't really arouse you sexually. In stripping, you have all of that and also you arouse your clients sexually. I think people are too bent up over sex and people need to relax and enjoy the beauty of life.
THERE!! I SAID IT!!! lol hahhaha!
Asurfael
11-09-2007, 09:56 AM
I prefer the term "adult entertainment" to "sex industry." That's what I feel like I'm providing, giving titillation but not gratification. So I think I'm more an interactive equivalent to a porn movie than a prostitute. It's all in how you look at it though. If others want to say sex industry, fine, and if yet others most definitely don't want to use those words, fine. I don't care. Maybe I'm just shielding myself with that thinking, who knows.
kitana
11-10-2007, 06:00 AM
LoL yes. Stripping is sex work its just a milder form in some ways. No we're not sucking and fucking but its still sex work.
What im saying is the heavier contact clubs the lineis a fair amount thinner.
Exactly!
You (collective, not Cally personally) are a sex worker if you dance, if you are an escort, call girl, hooker, porn star, peep show, etc...
Personally, I think the way the public views strippers is wrong, but understandable.
If they (collective they) had their heads on straight, they wouldn't worry about strippers, they can watch more true "sex acts" if they went to a quiet area on prom night with their kiddos!
Bridgette
11-10-2007, 06:16 AM
Air dancing is still sexual stimulation - the customers aren't buying air dances because they're asexual. The entertainment sold in airdance clubs is still 100% sexually driven. Why else would people pay for it? Therefore, still the sex industry. I don't know why anyone here would have a problem with that. Nothing wrong with it.
Jenny
11-10-2007, 11:05 AM
Air dancing is still sexual stimulation - the customers aren't buying air dances because they're asexual. The entertainment sold in airdance clubs is still 100% sexually driven. Why else would people pay for it? Therefore, still the sex industry. I don't know why anyone here would have a problem with that. Nothing wrong with it.
Thank you! We are titillating customers, whether we do it by grinding or bending over from two feet away, and whether you take pride in how hard you grind or how much you don't have to grind - there is no way around it. You are sexually titillating the customers, and the "thing" that you are selling is ONLY that titillation. You've got nothing else on your menu.
I disaprove in general of using pejorative terms for prostitutes - I think it promotes elitism in the industry. Because we are in the same industry does not mean that we do the same job, but knowing that and having (in my opinion) a completely unwarranted sense of superiority are two different things.
LilyLove
11-10-2007, 01:44 PM
I work at air dance only clubs, and I consider myself to be a sex worker.
sun child
11-10-2007, 05:39 PM
When guys tell me they have just cum in their pants from a stage set (at the stage only club I used to like working at) - then I KNOW I'm in the sex industry.
sunnie
11-11-2007, 11:21 AM
It's like a slutty pot calling a promiscuous kettle a whore.
ROTF...can I use this in my sig?...this is the funniest thing I have heard all day!
To the OP. Yeah I think it is part of the sex industry, for the reasons stated in the previous posts. I think that outside of SW, I have only heard the term sex industry used in association with politics and health in the media, and there is sort of this underlying connection with marginalization and victimization. I don't like to mentally associate myself with the "sex industry" as described by people on the outside, like when I read an article about sex workers in the New York Times I don't identify with them.
VegasPrincess
11-11-2007, 11:38 AM
I have no problem with escorts... get that money however you want! That said, I am not an escort. I don't sell sex: I entertain. And I don't really think it's a fine line between stripping and prostitution. I don't let people stick their dicks in me for money, not to be crass....but really.
ExoticEngineer
11-11-2007, 02:43 PM
I read this thread days ago, and was thinking about it ever since. What a tough question! I don't think it bothers me to call stripping a sex industry type job. I think it bothers me that with that comes the thought process of everyone outside of stripping who view stripping as a sex industry job...therefore, I must do things sexual like rubbing, sucking, fucking. That part bothers me.
But with one comes the other right?
I mean, really, we get undressed, we wiggle around in sexual positions, we evoke feelings of sexual arousal. Yah, I'd say that puts us right up there in the sex industry.
But let's look at the food industry. There's food service, food prep, food sales. etc....(bad analogy I know, don't shoot me) so obviously there are varying levels in the sex industry. But I guess after days of thinking about it, I'd have to agree that yes, we are part of the sex biz, sex industry, etc....whatever you want to call it to make yourself feel good about what you do.
My name is a play on all of that really. After going to a High School reunion with my hubby and someone asked what I do, I spouted out "Exotic Engineer" and I thought that was the funiest thing ever! It wasn't so much that I didn't want to say I was a stripper, but watching someone get uncomfortable with the thought process of what to ask next after hearing "stripper" over and over, I decided to make it easier on them.
But I don't see myself saying "I work in the sex industry" the next time someone asks what I do. Do you?
pinupgurl2k6
11-11-2007, 03:45 PM
I feel it is nobodies freaking business what I do. I am self employed that is good
enough, if they feel the need to get pushy I just change the topic to them. People
love to talk about themselves.
RoseLeigh
11-11-2007, 06:41 PM
Okay, took sometime to think this over. I do think we're in the sex industry AND the entertainment industry. I like Asurfael's 'adult entertainment' category. I think it covers a lot more than what people assume with 'sex work'-anyone who works on a porn set, for example, could totally be in adult entertainment, even if they aren't getting down. But that's just splitting hairs.
VegasPrincess
11-11-2007, 07:46 PM
I'm way more comfortable with adult entertainer. Sex worker sounds like were fucking people for money
pookie
11-12-2007, 05:28 AM
I'm way more comfortable with adult entertainer. Sex worker sounds like were fucking people for money
Thats very similar to how i see it
jaizaine
11-12-2007, 09:04 AM
Ok my opinion is going to differ a bit because the only club I have ever worked at is a no-contact whatsoever club. The customer cannot touch at all.
I believe that stripping is on par with modelling in a raunchy magazine such as Ralph or Penthouse. I don't come into contact with penises so there is no way that I equate myself with a prostitute. I don't care whether the guys who look at me want to fuck me or not. You don't have to be nude for a guy to be sexually stimulated by you and want to fuck you, it's been happening all my life when I'm just out in my normal clothes.
I don't care if others are comfortable with prostitution, I am not and I view sex as a very intimate experience that is not for sale with me.
xoxoGracexoxo
11-12-2007, 11:10 AM
It's all going to come down to what word or phrase each of is most comfortable using. But we all sell entertainment or a nature calculated to arouse erotic sensations or feelings, no? Our customers are not paying us to make them sandwiches or do their taxes.
To me it makes sense to put all jobs with similar aims into the same category. Otherwise, if you try to draw a line in the sand between "not whore" and "whore" you start having to define how much grinding you have to do before it constitutes sexual contact, and what if the guy comes by accident while looking at you from across the room...and the whole thing just gets silly.