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lestat1
11-17-2007, 05:01 PM
Shit, took a wild guess on that one! Do most men hang to the left or to the right? Should I start a poll? :P

I go left, but I think that one's 50/50 (or 33/33/33 if we factor in center-alignment).

The odd factoid is that most men's left testicle hangs lower than the right, and scientists have no idea why. /:O

xdamage
11-18-2007, 11:47 AM
Depends what time of day it is.

Lapaholic
11-18-2007, 04:56 PM
The odd factoid is that most men's left testicle hangs lower than the right, and scientists have no idea why. /:O

Only for men in the Northern hemisphere. An even odder factoid ...
Once u cross the equator south your balls flip...so that the right hangs lower.

yoda57us
11-18-2007, 05:53 PM
I go left, but I think that one's 50/50 (or 33/33/33 if we factor in center-alignment).

The odd factoid is that most men's left testicle hangs lower than the right, and scientists have no idea why. /:O


Depends what time of day it is.


Only for men in the Northern hemisphere. An even odder factoid ...
Once u cross the equator south your balls flip...so that the right hangs lower.

If this is the kind of gripping discourse that we can look forward to in a "men only" section I'll stick with coed....

Lapaholic
11-18-2007, 06:01 PM
Well Yoda - not all male convos will be gems ... However I believe this whole diversion was started by a lady ... Kat

yoda57us
11-18-2007, 06:40 PM
Well Yoda - not all male convos will be gems ... However I believe this whole diversion was started by a lady ... Kat

Dude, it's not where the diversion starts, it's where it becomes boring that matters.

Sh0t
11-18-2007, 07:06 PM
My cock tastes like shortbread cookies

Lapaholic
11-18-2007, 10:01 PM
Dude, it's not where the diversion starts, it's where it becomes boring that matters.

Dude - ur right - not that your preceding exchange w/ Kat was not boring... But here in lies the rub of SHot's dream of leading a blue side revolution. All the fun ( if we can call it that ) stuff is posted on Pink. And when anything exciting happens in blue - its usually is started by a pinkie posting. THe best thing about blue is our freedom of expression. There we have to be a little more timid if u will while here we are hardly moderated at all. Which is cool. Which is maybe why some pinkies like to come down and tangle w/ the blue hoard. Maybe we need to entice more pinkies to come down and post. THe best threads here - tho they can get long winded and a bit banal - are sparked by the pink side.

So thank you Yoda for making that clear to me anyway ....

Bob_Loblaw
11-18-2007, 10:50 PM
My cock tastes like shortbread cookies

And you know this how? :biting:

xdamage
11-19-2007, 01:37 AM
If this is the kind of gripping discourse that we can look forward to in a "men only" section I'll stick with coed....

Admittedly guys only can be boring at times, but like I said in the past, my issue has never been with co-ed discussions. I'm all in favor of co-ed discussions.

My issue is with misandric 20 somethings who have it in their head that their handful of years on the planet gives them the right to police and insult the men/customers on the blue site. Worse is when the male customers don't have the balls (or pride, or whatever) to tell them to STFU, finish growing up, and get some help with their sexism problems. I'm all in favor of equality, but I'm not in favor of being a cowering or apologetic male for being a male. I LOVE BEING A GUY. And if any woman has a problem with it, fuck em. My genes, my body, my testosterone, my drives... I love it being a guy plain and simple. The discussions, sans that, are quite honestly a lot more interesting with female input and I welcome the mix of views.

yoda57us
11-19-2007, 05:08 AM
Dude, you've got the issues, not the women posting here....

xdamage
11-19-2007, 06:59 AM
Dude, you've got the issues, not the women posting here....

Given the number of male posters who have called it out the behavior I am talking about, repeatedly, and you have not. It's possible we all have issues.

OR...

It's possible that you do and are unable to face that you have a conflict of interest that is encouraging bad behavior.

Thinks about it.

Jay Zeno
11-19-2007, 07:40 AM
Why are the only two choices being advanced are "someone else is wrong"? Think about it.
;)




(Emoticon added because modern times have made it necessary to flag what we mean to be humorous.)

Lapaholic
11-19-2007, 07:58 AM
X I have never seen the sexism or feminism u are talking about. When a female takes an opposing position, some here seem to label that as sexism, feminism or PC-ish. At most I have seen posts that reflect humanism - u know, people have worth, but not out and out feminism. I mean imagine Andrea Dworkin as a stripper. They would be slicing off our virtual penises... It seems to be when one of them posts they are automatically being labeled feminist or PC. Which I think is unfair and then grossly colors any debate afterwards. IMO - of course

xdamage
11-19-2007, 09:30 AM
X I have never seen the sexism or feminism u are talking about. When a female takes an opposing position, some here seem to label that as sexism, feminism or PC-ish. At most I have seen posts that reflect humanism - u know, people have worth, but not out and out feminism. I mean imagine Andrea Dworkin as a stripper. They would be slicing off our virtual penises... It seems to be when one of them posts they are automatically being labeled feminist or PC. Which I think is unfair and then grossly colors any debate afterwards. IMO - of course

It's not ALL or NOTHING, because you seem to be saying that. So let me explain it to you like this.

Many, the majority, are just taking opposing sides, or expressing from a different sexes point of view, and that's fine. A male vs female perspective is normal and healthy.

Some, the minority, have misandric issues. Whether or not you see it, up to you. We grew up in an age where we were taught to believe that misogyny is real, and many men are now sensitive to it, and acknowledge it exists. However... most of them simply have not been taught (nor is it PC) to recognize misandry. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist, it does and it's very much alive and well, but most males who grew up in recent years are blind to it, and so end up saying things like you wrote here "I have NEVER seen..." Never? Think about it? What are the odds it has NEVER happened? That no woman here ever has had an issue with males? What are the odds that is the case versus you are simply not aware of it?

By the way, Andrea Dworkin was against pornography, stripping, etc., so probably not the best example ;) And actually she'd probably argue that strippers are contributors to objectification of women and so it wouldn't surprise me that many strippers jump down her throat too ;)

p.s. the good old Wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

yoda57us
11-19-2007, 10:00 AM
Given the number of male posters who have called it out the behavior I am talking about, repeatedly, and you have not. It's possible we all have issues.

OR...

It's possible that you do and are unable to face that you have a conflict of interest that is encouraging bad behavior.

Thinks about it.

Well, first of all, in a in a manner of speaking X, you are right. I do have issues. Fact is, we all have issues. As far as this particular issue goes...

The difference between the way I see it and the way you see it simple. I think anyone who is a member here has a right to post an opinion about any topic. You don't. Or at least you are not willing to let them do it without continually pounding an extremely dead horse with YOUR opinion of the dissenting poster. Frankly, what really gets tiring is reading along as you yourself continue to derail discussions by responding to a post with a slam against the poster and ignoring the post itself.

What you call "encouraging bad behavior" I tend to refer to as not having a problem with others expressing an opinion. I don't really make any bones about the fact that I like most of the women on this board so you calling me a suck-up doesn't really bother me....take a number...

I understand that you and I will never see eye to eye on this and many topics but that won't stop me from expressing my continued bemusement as to why you have such a problem with Jenny expressing her opinions here. Just build a bridge and get over it dude.

I'm curious as to what exactly my conflict of interest is here X. Care to elaborate?

xdamage
11-19-2007, 10:41 AM
Well, first of all, in a in a manner of speaking X, you are right. I do have issues. Fact is, we all have issues. As far as this particular issue goes...

The difference between the way I see it and the way you see it simple. I think anyone who is a member here has a right to post an opinion about any topic. You don't. Or at least you are not willing to let them do it without continually pounding an extremely dead horse with YOUR opinion of the dissenting poster. Frankly, what really gets tiring is reading along as you yourself continue to derail discussions by responding to a post with a slam against the poster and ignoring the post itself.

What you call "encouraging bad behavior" I tend to refer to as not having a problem with others expressing an opinion. I don't really make any bones about the fact that I like most of the women on this board so you calling me a suck-up doesn't really bother me....take a number...

I understand that you and I will never see eye to eye on this and many topics but that won't stop me from expressing my continued bemusement as to why you have such a problem with Jenny expressing her opinions here. Just build a bridge and get over it dude.

I'm curious as to what exactly my conflict of interest is here X. Care to elaborate?

The conflict of interest is simple. You want to be friends with the some of the posters, but that puts you in a position where there are areas you cannot dissent without seeming unfriendly. Especially when it comes to a very core and common issue like a misandric philosophy.

One of the things I've said in the past is that it is unfortunate, but to be expected, that we have women in this society who have victim mentalities, and do not take responsibility for their own parts in their outcomes in life, let alone history. Well summed up on the wiki page I linked by this "To Nathanson and Young this assumption makes men the official scapegoats for the existence of all evil, while women, responsible for all good, are their official victims."

Here is the IMPORTANT part. This is KEY. The difference is, I see everyone as responsible for the outcome of our society. So men are about half responsible for the problem of misandry because of their choices, their action or inaction. You too are a contributor, in that you make choices about how to react. You may not even see it, but then many of us don't see a lot of social issues, and end up contributing to them by inaction, worse by encouraging it (even if not they are not consciously aware of it).

It is not that I don't think a poster has a right to post an opinion. It's that I think everyone else then has the right to call shenanigans if it reeks of sexism. You may think that doing nothing and allowing them their say is the higher road, or you may not see it (most men aren't cognizant of this rapidly growing negative trend in thinking), or worse, you may find yourself in a position of having to choose between maintaining an air of friendship vs pointing it out. I don't know. Regardless, ultimately men are contributors as much as women to misandry in our culture. Like so many other negative social trends, it starts slow, and builds until a few decades later it has become a significant problem. My calling it out is arguably, not a worse sin then doing nothing or encouraging it (or being blind to it).

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 10:58 AM
To reiterate, I don't think we need a men's only section. Very few of us mind the women who post, because outside of James, most don't troll.

The main thrust of my argument was to keep the men from saturating the other side, which happens a lot. Sometimes I will read a thread in Stripping or whatever and I cringe when I read some of the stuff posted by men because they just derail threads that are work related. I hate when non-programmers post shit to derail threads on programming forums, too. Or even more common, military forums getting flooded by airsofters and shit.

Stripperweb is full of misandry. It's a forum for strippers. Not a profession that sees the best of men too often. It's also full of misogyny, from the WOMEN.

Nobody wants to see Andrea Dworkin in a porno anyway. She was fat and ugly. Pornography is the arch-nemesis of fat and ugly women because it reminds men that they don't have to settle for landwhales. Greener pastures are out there. Stripping is similar I suppose, but a bigger hit on the wallet in most cases.

James doesn't just express opinions, he trolls for arguments. Here and on pink. But, truth be told, I feel more strongly with the guys who CONTINUALLY engage him because they can't resist "female" attention. He will post something outrageous and some male member will just HAVE to respond and get into a thread-derailing verbal sparring with him. I can just envision you guys sitting at your desk, refreshing with baited breath that he will quote your comment and respond,thus giving you some semblance of interaction with a 'female'.

yoda57us
11-19-2007, 11:28 AM
The conflict of interest is simple. You want to be friends with the some of the posters, but that puts you in a position where there are areas you cannot dissent without seeming unfriendly. Especially when it comes to a very core and common issue like a misandric philosophy.


Well, OK I understood the first part but then the words got too big and ya lost me....

Let me just say this about that: First of all, I am friends with Kat, I'm not trying to be friends with anybody else. Yes, we like each other because we share like-minded opinions on many topics. We are both on the board. You are just gonna have to live with that.
As far as my inability to dissent without seeming "unfriendly"? How about simply accepting the fact that I don't find it necessary to be rude or insulting when I disagree with someone else's opinion (though I certainly can be at times). Not everyone approaches posting on this board or the other posters here in the same way that you do X. Are you going to tell me that your way is right and mine is wrong next? That's not a conflict of interest, it's just your agenda showing again.

Lapaholic
11-19-2007, 01:14 PM
By xdamage->Some, the minority, have misandric issues. Whether or not you see it, up to you.

Well no... its not up to u. Either they hate men or they dont - shouldnt be all that subjective and I have not seen misandry. Yeah - on the pink, they will berate custies but then I am sure thats not always because they are men but because they are custies. You are a programmer - dont u sometimes say derogatory things about your end users. Is it because u r a misogynist and misandrynist - no sometimes ur end users are a pain in the ass.


By sh0t-> James doesn't just express opinions, he trolls for arguments. Here and on pink. But, truth be told, I feel more strongly with the guys who CONTINUALLY engage him because they can't resist "female" attention.

Now this is what i have not seen... granted i am more of a newbie that most of u. I have seen James comments mostly as disagreement but not as a way to start a flame war. ITs the blue-ies that are trolling if anybody. Then it becomes a slugfest of each defending themselves.


by xdamage-> The conflict of interest is simple. You want to be friends with the some of the posters, but that puts you in a position where there are areas you cannot dissent without seeming unfriendly.

Conflict of Interest??? Its a discussion forum where people will take different position on a point of topic. I think u are trying to assign motives that are not there - ie the pinkies are misandrynists and blues that agree are Uncle Toms, selling out their sex to be "friends"... Sounds a little paranoid...

I mean for crying out loud, without these debates, what would we do down here anyway.

I wish we could get more postings down here - pink or blue... I see threads up there where I really like to say something but I cant ... not in the way Id like to which is fine - its a moderated forum with dancer support as their objective. Just be nice if we could get something going down here so we can let it all out - like we are now ... I mean Jay and FBR are sooo patient with us boys.

yoda57us
11-19-2007, 01:29 PM
Conflict of Interest??? Its a discussion forum where people will take different position on a point of topic. I think u are trying to assign motives that are not there - ie the pinkies are misandrynists and blues that agree are Uncle Toms, selling out their sex to be "friends"... Sounds a little paranoid...

I mean for crying out loud, without these debates, what would we do down here anyway.



Thank you.

Jay Zeno
11-19-2007, 01:34 PM
Well........

Some have called punk misogynist. I defended him against that because just because he's a philanderer and treats people like shit (at least in his writings) doesn't mean he's a misogynist.

Some have called Jenny a misandrist. I'll defend her against that, too. Just because she enjoys a good argument with the guys doesn't mean she's a misandrist. In fact, I've seen her conduct the same sorts of arguments with women on the site. I guess if you carried that logic forward, she's just a plain ol' misanthropist. Yet she also has friendly interactions with representatives of both sexes here, too, virtually and reallifely. So maybe that "mis" prefix is, uh, misplaced.

Actually, now I ponder if punkster might be closer to misanthropist. For all I know, he's got that trophy and keeps it shiny.

Sh0t, have fun with the James. Longstanding Blue members have read the trip reports for a longstanding time, and those people, as well as other logically minded people here, know better. But please, carry on in the irrepressible manner that we've all come to know and love.

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 02:11 PM
and blues that agree are Uncle Toms, selling out their sex to be "friends"... Sounds a little paranoid...

I don't think it's a conflict of any interest, but that really isn't paranoid. That's what dudes do.

I've seen it from this site even in the flesh. One prolific male poster even sabatoged a relationship i was having with a SW member who is no longer active.

xdamage
11-19-2007, 03:27 PM
Let me just say this about that: First of all, I am friends with Kat, I'm not trying to be friends with anybody else. Yes, we like each other because we share like-minded opinions on many topics. We are both on the board. You are just gonna have to live with that.


I wasn't thinking of Kat. I actually like Kat, even though I don't always agree, and I as I've told her, I like her better now as a civilian then I did when she was a dancer, but really, she was not on my mind at all.




As far as my inability to dissent without seeming "unfriendly"? ... else clipped...

Actually I wasn't telling you what to do. Remember the history...

You commented that the blue side would be boring without females.


I commented on that in a general way, nothing specific about you. And I guess the most important part of my reply was lost, which is that I agree, the vast majority add a lot. Still, that doesn't mean I like all of the females posting here. And in context, we are talking about a men only section.

Having said that, your reply was "dude you have problems".

Now Yoda, for a guy who claims such tolerance, you threw the first stone over a dissenting opinion. So you were saying???

Svelt
11-19-2007, 03:39 PM
I think we are forgetting something here...

We are all ...

I think we just need to establish attention timesharing, see its a pyramid scheme...

xdamage
11-19-2007, 03:39 PM
Well no... its not up to u. Either they hate men or they dont -

No. Plain out NO. People don't either hate or not hate. There is a huge grey scale of behavior and thinking in between the ALL or NOTHING extremes. Having written something like this, all this tells me is that you are out of your element here. So yes, you don't see it, that we agree on. That it doesn't exist, did you read the wiki page?

We might as well argue it's not up to any of us, but then again, that's a completely irrelevant red-herring since we might as well just throw out the notion of misgyony as well since you can always say to any woman, it's not up to you to see it. No matter how bad the behavior, lets hope everyone just says NOTHING because Lapaholic is so afraid of being wrong, that we should just all say "It's not up to you" to make a value judgement, no matter how plain the behavior.

I'm fine with that for you (not for me), but a suggestion.. just be sure to tell the next woman you meet who refers to a man's misgonynist behavior, that it's not up to her, to balance the scales for yourself ;)



That's what dudes do.


Yet, most dudes aren't even aware how their behavior changes around the hot chick, how they cut the hot chick slack they'd never cut an unattractive woman... it's almost subconscious for a lot of guys.

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 03:55 PM
I treat hot chicks like fat chicks and generally when fat chicks talk, I hear the same noises the Peanuts kids heard when adults spoke in the cartoon.

Katrine
11-19-2007, 05:01 PM
I wasn't thinking of Kat. I actually like Kat, even though I don't always agree, and I as I've told her, I like her better now as a civilian then I did when she was a dancer, but really, she was not on my mind at all.


You keep telling me this. I am the same person I was 2 years ago, albeit less coked up. What is the purpose of you repeating this over and over?

Dude, you are specifically talking about Jenny, and no one else here. Put her on ignore. Just do it. If she makes you so angry, then take away her power! Quit giving her free rent space in your brain. You will not change her.

Oh, and yoda and I are BFF. That's FOREVER!!!! :P

Lapaholic
11-19-2007, 05:26 PM
No. Plain out NO. People don't either hate or not hate. There is a huge grey scale of behavior and thinking in between the ALL or NOTHING extremes. Having written something like this, all this tells me is that you are out of your element here. So yes, you don't see it, that we agree on. That it doesn't exist, did you read the wiki page?

We might as well argue it's not up to any of us, but then again, that's a completely irrelevant red-herring since we might as well just throw out the notion of misgyony as well since you can always say to any woman, it's not up to you to see it. No matter how bad the behavior, lets hope everyone just says NOTHING because Lapaholic is so afraid of being wrong, that we should just all say "It's not up to you" to make a value judgement, no matter how plain the behavior.

I'm fine with that for you (not for me), but a suggestion.. just be sure to tell the next woman you meet who refers to a man's misgonynist behavior, that it's not up to her, to balance the scales for yourself ;)



Yet, most dudes aren't even aware how their behavior changes around the hot chick, how they cut the hot chick slack they'd never cut an unattractive woman... it's almost subconscious for a lot of guys.

Look I have no fear in being wrong - BUT what I am trying to say not so elegantly is that u r seeing stuff that simply is not there. Do people hate - of course... Are there degrees of belligerency towards the opposite gender, race whatever - sure.... But in the posts I have seen here, I have not seen it --- out and out hatred of men - thinly disguised or not. ANd I am talking about the blue side... I am not including posts I read in the pink since this really is a discussion of the blue.

I think u r reading it in to what some of these people post. U obviously bring it up everytime u disagree with a pinkie in this side of the curtain.

Am I going to convince u of that - No.... Do i care if I convince of that - eh no ... Am i out of my element here? Well perhaps we should do a poll...

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 05:34 PM
On a whole, the man haters don't post on the blue side.

Goldfinger cheats at cards.

FBR
11-19-2007, 07:23 PM
I think Blue sans women posters would suck.

FBR

xdamage
11-19-2007, 07:35 PM
BUT what I am trying to say not so elegantly is that u r seeing stuff that simply is not there. Do people hate - of course... Are there degrees of belligerency towards the opposite gender, race whatever - sure.... But in the posts I have seen here, I have not seen it --- out and out hatred of men - thinly disguised or not. ANd I am talking about the blue side... I am not including posts I read in the pink since this really is a discussion of the blue.


People are not inherently aware of sexism, or racisms, unless they are trained to see the signs. Our society has done a pretty good job of teaching people to see signs of racism, and sexism against females, but a very poor job of the reverse trend, sexism against males. Like I said, read the Wiki page I linked. The signs in some of the females posts are blatant. However, men in our society have become so apologetic that they have come to believe that the issue of sexism is entirely one sided. But it plain and simple is not.

The reality is that women are just as capable of being sexists as men, and it's very bad long term trend. Give it a few decades, it will get worse before it's finally seen for what it is, a growing problem, and it too will eventually become a social issue (assuming our societies last that long).




I think u r reading it in to what some of these people post. U obviously bring it up everytime u disagree with a pinkie in this side of the curtain.



See when you write "everytime" it says to me that you don't read. That you live in a world of all or nothings, and you see every and always where it does not exist. Some of the time yes. Some of the time does not equal EVERY TIME.

yoda57us
11-19-2007, 08:32 PM
Now Yoda, for a guy who claims such tolerance, you threw the first stone over a dissenting opinion. So you were saying???

I have never claimed tolerance or anything of the sort. I came right out and said that I can be nasty when I feel the need.

Again X, it's called an argument. I don't promise to make nice to everybody though I may be nice to somebody. I am not telling you that you don't have a right to express a dissenting opinion. I am simply commenting on your lack of tolerance for others who do the same.

yoda57us
11-19-2007, 08:41 PM
Oh, and yoda and I are BFF. That's FOREVER!!!! :P

Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys but my day is going just great!;)

FBR
11-19-2007, 09:44 PM
^^ Well mine was suckingl. But then Miss D called a bit ago suggesting a hook up this coming Saturday. Um...OK...sounds good. Beats a sharp stick in the eye.

FBR

Sh0t
11-19-2007, 10:02 PM
Unless it's friends with benefits, I'm not envious

SportsWriter2
11-19-2007, 10:10 PM
Unless it's friends with benefits, I'm not envious
No, that would be FBF. Not to worry, though, Yoda feels comfy in the Friend Zone.

Jay Zeno
11-20-2007, 07:33 AM
What we learned in our ?liberal? California schools...

...if the behavior and attitudes consistently fit definition, then it's going to happen that some people will call them on it.
I didn't go to California schools.

Or if one mischaracterizes behavior and attitude, one can expect to be called on the mischaracterization.

yoda57us
11-20-2007, 10:16 AM
^^ Well mine was suckingl. But then Miss D called a bit ago suggesting a hook up this coming Saturday. Um...OK...sounds good. Beats a sharp stick in the eye.

FBR


I dunno FBR, I was watching "8mm" last night and it appears that some folks like a sharp stick in the eye...

Have fun on Saturday! WooHoo!

Jay Zeno
11-20-2007, 11:11 AM
Also as I said, you seem to have wanted to define people either being or NOT being sexist, I didn't say anything about people being sexist, or not. I was countering the "mis" terms.

Lapaholic
11-20-2007, 01:19 PM
See when you write "everytime" it says to me that you don't read. That you live in a world of all or nothings, and you see every and always where it does not exist. Some of the time yes. Some of the time does not equal EVERY TIME.

Well u r right about that - i should not say everytime - how about many times...


by yoda-->Well, I don't know about the rest of you guys but my day is going just great!;)



Well I have not exchange BFF rings with anyone but I did just finish a round of golf and had a delicious stogie - so my day is going great too!!!


By xdamage-> Remember, history is long with people who did not face/see the issues of racism or misogyny either, both victims and perpetrators. At this moment in history many men do not see themselves as victims of misandry,

Yes racism sexism and many -isms suck!!!... I gues i am not sure I agree with who and when u are labeling a post as such. Maybe an example would help.

And we have to be careful when labeling someone as such - its very mush like someone being called a racist if they oppose affirmative action or make an off-color joke.



by FBR-> I think Blue sans women posters would suck.

Amen brother!

Jay Zeno
11-21-2007, 07:10 AM
I guess it's the difference in up-bringing for me. I was taught (or learned along way) we all have the ability to be sexist, or racist, and for the most part, we require constant vigilance socially to cope with it. I guess. I was brought up to treat people equally.


I am only really interested in the behaviors and attitudes associated with misandry (in the case of this thread).Assumed misandry. When it's not there, you're bumping down a dead alley.

Jenny
11-21-2007, 07:26 AM
Well, it seems clear to me upon reading this thread that all ya'all definitely need a men's only forum to discuss me in private. Seriously - doesn't that seem really weird to anyone else? Can't you talk about sports, or scratching yourselves or your efforts to maintain the patriarchy? I mean, I'm not all that interesting.

xdamage
11-21-2007, 11:10 AM
Can't you talk about sports, or scratching yourselves or your efforts to maintain the patriarchy? I mean, I'm not all that interesting.

Thank you for proving my point. You simply cannot post without interjecting a slam against males.

Stereotype #1 - Men are monkeys who sit around and scratch themselves.

Stereotype #2 - There is a great conspiracy by men to maintain the "patriarchy"

Stereotype #3 - Men are dumb, and just sit around talking about "sports".

If any man behaved this way on the pink side, or blue side, you'd flip out, but you are oblivious to your own sexism.


You simply are unable to post without either making sure to say something derogatory about males, or without going off onto one of your "men are the root of my evils, I am ultimately just a female victim" diatribes.

You are so predictable that I knew I only needed to wait for your next post to prove my point which will invariably including something derogatory about men (like such as above) or it will be some argument that basically comes down to men are bad, I am not. I guarantee it. You can't help it. And about now you should accuse me of being "thin skinned" or you will try to back peddle with "I am joking" - but the bottom line is if anyone acted the way you do as consistently as you do towards other races or females, those excuses would have grown cold in the minds of the readers long ago.

And I'd gamble that if you were not a hottie, most of the guys here would have stopped cutting you slack for it long ago too. When a man isn't trying to get some, he tends to be more honest with women (that's how I'd wager anyway).

Lapaholic
11-21-2007, 02:56 PM
And I'd gamble that if you were not a hottie, most of the guys here would have stopped cutting you slack for it long ago too. When a man isn't trying to get some, he tends to be more honest with women (that's how I'd wager anyway).

I have to be honest, Jenny's post made me chuckle - well more like a smile - I didnt actually make a noise. So am I cutting her slack - no ... I think she is saying something relevant about this post and trying to be witty. Do I think she is hot - I dont know, so no hotness slack for her. I mean just cause she is a stripper ( if she is not a 400 pound man with Cheeto breath ) doesnt mean she is hot.

I guess if I could not give back what she gives then X I would say u may have a point. Now granted I prolly would not do it in PInk. More cause I am outnumbered and it's hard to gauge people sensibilities in that larger forum. But here on blue, I should be able to respond in kind and I think she would not take it as sexist.

Also - she does have that avatar...

xdamage
11-21-2007, 04:13 PM
I have to be honest, Jenny's post made me chuckle - well more like a smile - I didnt actually make a noise. So am I cutting her slack - no ... I think she is saying something relevant about this post and trying to be witty. Do I think she is hot - I dont know, so no hotness slack for her. I mean just cause she is a stripper ( if she is not a 400 pound man with Cheeto breath ) doesnt mean she is hot.

I guess if I could not give back what she gives then X I would say u may have a point. Now granted I prolly would not do it in PInk. More cause I am outnumbered and it's hard to gauge people sensibilities in that larger forum. But here on blue, I should be able to respond in kind and I think she would not take it as sexist.

Also - she does have that avatar...

Again, from the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry

"Warren Farrell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell) argues: "In the past quarter century, we exposed biases (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biases) against other races and called it racism, and we exposed biases against women and called it sexism. Biases against men we call humor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humor).""

and

"The purported cause of the public acceptance of misandry as opposed to misogyny is that while some women espouse belief in the existence of misogyny and use it as a "proof" of the beliefs of feminism, men do not usually acknowledge themselves as victims of misandry."

Jenny insults men in as many posts as possible. Just start reading her. This is not some uniquely witty moment.

Men currently accept it and take it in good spirit, however it's ultimately a dangerous trend, in particular for the women who have bought into this now-popular view of men. Not just because of the derogatory mindset, but more importantly because with it invariably comes a victim mindset, men are the cause of (fill in the blank) evil, and women are good. It's a dangerous trend.

And maybe one big difference between the misandry and misogany is men kind of know, if our society fell apart due to natural disaster, it would go back to survival of the strongest and fittest in short order, and in that light, who cares? But hopefully that is not case, and in which case, women ultimately need to come to a balance point and become aware of their own sexist attitudes.

p.s. By the way, the vast majority of extreme sexists and racists don't come out and say hey, look at me, I am a racist/sexist. They don't want the bad publicity and most of them are cowards anyway, and really can't take the heat. They throw their grenades and run like little kids. But ... just because someone doesn't say I am a "racist/sexist" doesn't mean they aren't. Simply look at their pattern of behavior. The irony is... sometimes sexists/racists are the very worst when it comes to behavior that targets them, yet they can be totally blind to their own behavior.

Jenny
11-21-2007, 05:44 PM
Do I think she is hot - I dont know, so no hotness slack for her. I mean just cause she is a stripper ( if she is not a 400 pound man with Cheeto breath ) doesnt mean she is hot. I keep saying this! Everyone is always complaining about ugly, fat strippers. I could TOTALLY be one of those.

Katrine
11-21-2007, 05:45 PM
Christ and AND off the cross, X! Relax already. Here, have some turkey and a glass of wine. All that tryptophan is good for the nerves!

yoda57us
11-21-2007, 06:07 PM
And I'd gamble that if you were not a hottie, most of the guys here would have stopped cutting you slack for it long ago too. When a man isn't trying to get some, he tends to be more honest with women (that's how I'd wager anyway).

Dude! Have you like, seen Jenny?! Seriously, did you get any pictures? PM me with a description if you don't want to share with the board. C'mon, help a brother out. You know what it's like to be obsessed with a Canadian stripper...

Lapaholic
11-21-2007, 06:27 PM
by xdamage-> "Warren Farrell argues: "In the past quarter century, we exposed biases against other races and called it racism, and we exposed biases against women and called it sexism. Biases against men we call humor.""

For example, lets assume I posted this:

I noticed that Kat has nearly 12000 posts - she must be a real posting whore...

Would Kat be mad at me?.. Should I be embarrassed? Is that any different than what Jenny said? Would a ;D make it all ok?

Because Warren would prolly so "no" - u r exposing a stereotype of women as whores - so dont say it at all, but I mean really - she has 12000 posts, an obvious posting whore ;D