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fancygirl
11-18-2007, 02:31 AM
eh, I think flipping them off and spraying them is fine. Chucking a ashtray at a head is kind of iffy-- okay if you gave him a chance to catch it, bad if you were actually trying to hit him in the head.
however, the manager thing is a completely different issue. He is an asshole, and I'm sorry. Why can't you work anywhere else? Are you under 21 and that's why you can't work the floor?
I would consider traveling and working three nights in a row: hit up Eureka, San Francisco, or Sacramento (trying to think of closest spots.) You should be doing better than $200 a shift.
are there any party agencies? My stress level went down so much when I was able to do parties instead of club.
Corgan
11-18-2007, 04:03 AM
i agree, if money is shit for underage girls in portland, get a "real" job.
i read lots of threads by you gypsy... and i have to agree that maybe dancing isn't for you. :( i think you should take a break until you're legal to work and hustle hustle hustle!
britt244
11-18-2007, 07:57 AM
And, this is hard to say tactfully, and no offense to needtodance and other minors on here who haven't asked for my opinion, but I don't think minors should even be able to strip period. It's not because I think they aren't mature enough for it, but because the law to drink and be in a drinking establishment is you have to be over 21. Either we should be able to drink at 18, or not be able to work or be in a bar until you're 21 - not a complicated rule combining the two. Something just doesn't seem right to me that an 18 year old would be allowed to sit and hang out with drinking customers in a drinking establishment.
youre talking about where you are, right? because everywhere you dont have to be 21 to serve alcohol. that varies not only by state, but city/county also.
Britt-
hahaha maybe we are stripper soul mates
:)
:hug: :P
I don't think you're at the top of your game. If you were, you'd realize that at the top, you're above that behaviour.
thank you. that's what i'm saying.
Lola Rose
11-18-2007, 09:01 AM
You can say you're completely able to handle the job, and that you love it, but your behavior doesn't match up.
Ya, we all have nights we really want to go home, but we tough it out. And everyone has had aweful, crappy nights too, but we put on a smile, and deal with it.
But physical violence???? wtf!?! For a person i thought was so compassionate and caring at first, I'm shocked. Tough times really show a persons true colors.
It's pretty well established that not everyone can hack being a dancer. You have to be not only beautiful, but smart, good at money management, good at self-motivation, levelheaded, accepting, and so much more.
The stresses we face are too much for a lot of people. I think only 1 in 20 women who try actually should be dancing. Some fall into drugs or get depressed and lose confidence in themselves and their positive attributes. some spiral into a hand to mouth way of living. some start tricking to make more, some become reliant on their pimps.
And those are just the beginning.... some girls don't have those problems, but they become greedy, stick it out way to long, get a big head about it, act in anger and violence, and then justify their actions with bullshit excuses like pms or i wasn't getting tippd enough.
Any of those girls need to at least take a break, clean up their issues, do something else for a month +. Then maybe they'll do better as a dancer.
I've done it. If i'm not liking my job enough, if it's making me not like myself or act too negatively, (my biggest issue is outrageous greed) I follow my own advice. I come back to the club as a stronger more consistant more upbeat and more appreciative dancer. Not everyone can do this.... even me at times. but we can do things to handle it better.
but for someone who assulted a customer, unprovoked (yes, he did nothing to deserve attack!), i think a permanant career change is 100% necessary.
britt244
11-18-2007, 09:05 AM
i just want to touch on the tipping thing.. yeah, we all hate the guys who want a free show. it sucks major monkey balls. but tipping is just that.. tipping. it is not a fee like lap dance costs. if you went out to dinner, and weren't happy with the service, would you still tip the same as if you loved it? sure, these guys seemed like pricks. but some guys just dont like a girl or her show. and by no means is he required to tip. if i read correctly, they were not sitting at your stage. this does NOT entitle you to a tip, and i'm not sure how why think it does.
another thing to think about, say you stayed for the rest of the night. management DIDN'T fire you. well, you go back up, and a guy who would've tipped you prior to witnessing that won't do it now. you never know who is watching or what they think.
holiday
11-18-2007, 10:40 AM
youre talking about where you are, right? because everywhere you dont have to be 21 to serve alcohol. that varies not only by state, but city/county also.
Yes, I'm talking about where I am, because the OP and I work in the same town.
RoseLeigh
11-18-2007, 12:02 PM
i just want to touch on the tipping thing.. yeah, we all hate the guys who want a free show. it sucks major monkey balls. but tipping is just that.. tipping. it is not a fee like lap dance costs. if you went out to dinner, and weren't happy with the service, would you still tip the same as if you loved it? sure, these guys seemed like pricks. but some guys just dont like a girl or her show. and by no means is he required to tip. if i read correctly, they were not sitting at your stage. this does NOT entitle you to a tip, and i'm not sure how why think it does.
I think due to her age, she relys on those tips, which is of course why it's a BS law. So many guys don't get tipping unless they're at an NJ style go-go bar or a 'make it rain' kinda club.
Gypsy I hope you rock out in CA and get your groove back.
Picaresque
11-18-2007, 01:16 PM
...some girls don't have those problems, but they become greedy, stick it out way to long, get a big head about it, act in anger and violence, and then justify their actions with bullshit excuses like pms or i wasn't getting tippd enough.
...(my biggest issue is outrageous greed)...
I'm totally not attacking or criticizing you at all (don't want it to come off the wrong way), I'm just curious. I'm surprised to hear a dancer talk about being greedy like it's a problem or a bad thing! How does that negatively affect you?
I've always though being "greedy" is a good thing in this business; it motivates me. Maybe we have different definitions of what greedy is? /:O
Susan Wayward
11-18-2007, 02:30 PM
Being greedy is by definition a negative character trait (or a cardinal sin if you're Catholic).
Wanting to be successful at what you do and being greedy are different. Greed, when it makes you compromise your boundaries or ethics because you want more money, is not the same as being money motivated. We all want to make money, but to want it enough to do things we ultimately dislike ourselves for it is damaging. A hunger for money that makes you rip off customers, break your personal boundaries, or screw over other people is behavior that will make you feel bad about yourself if you have any kind of character at all.
Picaresque
11-18-2007, 03:28 PM
^^ That's what I kind of thought--different definitions of "greed." I think I'm greedy simply b/c I have all kinds of (unfortunately expensive) things I want to do and/or have, and I think I deserve to have whatever I want. So I go to work with an entitlement mindset and a desire to drain every last cent out of as many customers as possible. But no, I don't rip people off, and I definitely don't compromise my boundaries (just b/c IMHO the whole idea is to make more money for doing less, not the other way around.)
britt244
11-18-2007, 03:30 PM
^ yeah, i wouldnt call that greedy.
Gypsy74
11-18-2007, 04:02 PM
I just wanted to say that I completely disagree with everyone who said I'm not fit for stripping. You're wrong. I am perfectly capable of being on top of my game and being successful dancing, just not in Oregon. I WILL be successful in California.
I challenge anyone to go to work and spend your whole night NOT hustling the floor. Just go on the stage, hustle from the stage, and spend your free time in the dressing room and dj booth watching the other girls rake in money and not get frustrated about it. but... no one would do that- because it's stupid.
Lily- Which club did you work at as a minor? Was it in Portland? Money going up "only a couple hundred dollars" is a HUGE difference if you're barely making 100 a night.
miabella
11-18-2007, 04:15 PM
it's a huge difference even if you're making like 400-500 each night.
Corgan
11-18-2007, 05:17 PM
gypsy, i am only saying the things i am saying because you seem to have a pisspoor outlook on this job.
you can challenge us all you want, but even in cali, you WILL have nights no one will tip or buy dances from you. are you going to assault them as well?
needtodance
11-18-2007, 05:34 PM
I almost agree with Corgan here, Gypsy. You're a sweety and a GREAT hustler, but if the juice bars here are above your contact level, you'll have a difficult time dancing many places... There's Cheetahs that you started at, there's low money portland, and maybe there's stage only in the DC area.... But other than that, how will you handle the higher contact thats the NORM for pretty much every other area and dancer therein than on here? If even the one way contact of a clothed couch dance burns you out(like you said in a past post), its going to be VERY difficult for you to find places your comfortable outside these limited options...
I can COMPLETELY understand your frustration with seeing everyone else hustle, and the D2's setup for Minors, I'm in that situation myself, but I think you DID come into it with unreasonably high expectations.
I hope you can get stuff sorted out to where it IS possible and profitable to dance, but i see a lot of negativity and problems in your writing that make me question how you'll do it. Call me if you want to hang out, or rant, or talk about other possible clubs, but you MAY have to lower your expectations for a few years...
^ I agree with this. If you have trouble with PDX style dances I don't see how you're going to dance in Cali, or really most places. I hope you just meant that high contact burns you out over time though, and it wouldn't bother you for a few days?
Gypsy74
11-18-2007, 09:12 PM
^ I agree with this. If you have trouble with PDX style dances I don't see how you're going to dance in Cali, or really most places. I hope you just meant that high contact burns you out over time though, and it wouldn't bother you for a few days?
I could do medium-high contact (setting my own boundaries) for a couple days while traveling, which is what I intend to do, but there is no way I could do it over a long period of time staying in one place at one club.
miabella
11-18-2007, 10:33 PM
probably depends on what you mean by 'medium-high contact, setting your own boundaries', and where in california you plan to do your pass-through dancing, and also how much you hope to earn in 'a couple days while travelling' before anyone could honestly tell you whether it is utterly unlikely for you to be able to dance in california.
Gypsy74
11-18-2007, 10:40 PM
I'm stopping in San Francisco for 3-4 days,and staying in LA for about three weeks. I'll dance in SF maybe 1-2 shifts (gold club?), and haven't really decided where to go in LA yet-- i hear it's not very good.
AlexxaHex
11-18-2007, 10:56 PM
I haven't read but the first page of this thread but I just want to say this:
Let this be a lesson to ALL dancers to try and let shit roll. You cannot be a dancer and take everything to heart all the time. Some guy called me fat the other day. I know I need to lose 10 lbs. I just had a baby. At first I was pissed off, felt like slamming his stupid face into the table, but I told him what he said was extremely rude and then just got up and walked away. He comes in almost every day I work and I just smile at him. I smile like I want to fuck his brains out and I can tell it makes him unbearably uncomfortable. What I am doing to him is far more effective than
becoming violent and losing control. And other customers see how I carry myself.
Let it go, ladies. It's only hurting YOU in the end. I think Gypsy and many others could be making more money by not letting things get to them so much. I swear the reason I get so many dances is because I simply SMILE and just try to enjoy it.
Gypsy74
11-18-2007, 11:04 PM
I haven't read but the first page of this thread but I just want to say this:
Let this be a lesson to ALL dancers to try and let shit roll. You cannot be a dancer and take everything to heart all the time. Some guy called me fat the other day. I know I need to lose 10 lbs. I just had a baby. At first I was pissed off, felt like slamming his stupid face into the table, but I told him what he said was extremely rude and then just got up and walked away. He comes in almost every day I work and I just smile at him. I smile like I want to fuck his brains out and I can tell it makes him unbearably uncomfortable. What I am doing to him is far more effective than
becoming violent and losing control. And other customers see how I carry myself.
Let it go, ladies. It's only hurting YOU in the end. I think Gypsy and many others could be making more money by not letting things get to them so much. I swear the reason I get so many dances is because I simply SMILE and just try to enjoy it.
very true, i need to work on that. I feel stupid for letting it get to me now that a couple days have passed.
leogirl876
11-19-2007, 01:17 AM
Gypsy, you sound very much like I was at your age. I know it's hard to hear, especially when you're stubborn like me (sounds like you're very stubborn too) but try to keep an open mind what everyone's saying. The girls on here aren't attacking you or telling you these things to be mean, they're telling you this stuff because they care and they are seeing things from the outside in. When it's yourself that's doing it, it's hard many times to see it, but when looking from the outside, you see a different perspective. How many times have you seen something different on someone else because you're looking from the outside in?
Trust me, you sound just like I was at that age. (I'm now 31) but at your age, I was very stubborn, I knew everything and nobody could tel me otherwise. It's taken me time, and learning a lot of very hard lessons to finally listen to what others say. And I'm still reminding myself of that all the time. You sound very determined and won't let anyone stop you from what you want to do, that's the good characteristic of our personalities, however, the other side, not listening to what others say because they care about you can also get you into trouble. You sound very impulsive just like I am and that drive you have as you've seen can also get you into big trouble. We're not all saying that you should give up dancing forever, we're saying that perhaps you should take a break, or work in a different approach and also have realistic expectations. Just because you travel somewhere else doesn't mean you'll wind up making more, you have to think of the travel expenses that are involved (hotel, gas, food, travel time, etc.) and you might make more at the club but when you factor in all the expenses, it might not be a lot more.
This is the last post in this thread I'm going to make. I doubt anything the girls on here (some who are older & a little more experienced) have to say is going to change your mind. I can completely understand where you're coming from as I tend to be like you but I've learned over the years that it's gotten me nowhere. I really wish you the best and hope everything will work out for you!
Lola Rose
11-19-2007, 08:19 AM
sorry for the thread jack... but what i meant was i'll get to a point when i just can't make enough to be happy. i am always like... more, more, more.... i could make a LOt of $$$, and be mad at myself for not making 100 more. it turns into a self-loathing thing.... and that's when i need a break, i need too step back and realize that i'm doing great, i need to be happy with myself, not mad.
I don't know if greed is the proper word for it... but it's not normal ambition and being money hungry. it turns too negative. I don't compromise my boundries or become a ROB, I just fell shitty, like i let myself down b/c I didn't work hard enough.
once i've taken some time off, gotten some perspective, I realize that xxx$ is great, and i'm happy for it. a few weeks to reflect makes me proud of myself for banking, and gives me a more positive perspective.
anomar
11-19-2007, 10:17 AM
I could do medium-high contact (setting my own boundaries) for a couple days while traveling, which is what I intend to do, but there is no way I could do it over a long period of time staying in one place at one club.
This seems to me a lot like an attitude I have: "If only circumstances were different than I would do differently, too."
If I was a minor and worked at a club where minors couldn't hustle the floor, I'd be content w/ doing poorly because I knew that if circumstances were different (i.e. I could hustle the floor) then I could bank!
If I was in a place where low contact was the expectation (though I could possible work a few miles away at a higher-contact club) then I'd be content with lower contact and lower money because theoretically I could give more contact and make more money -- but only if there were ten other variables that were just in my liking.
Etc.
Attitudes need to change before circumstances do. I've found myself waiting for cubs to change before I could deal with hustling and it just doesn't work. Or other things in life. "If my roommate cleaned a little more often, my house wouldn't look like shit. If I lived ten blocks closer toTrader Joe's, I'd eat better and lose ten pounds."
If you cannot work at the (relatively) higher contact clubs in Portland where you CAN work the floor, can you realistically have the patience to breeze into a club for "a couple of days" and work the floor, hustle, give higher contact and be content with leaving right away even if you did make good money under those circumstances? I don't understand what mental barriers make one unable to tolerate some breast touching in some parts of the country but not others.
If so, take that optimistic attitude that only exists under "what if" circumstances and apply it to TODAY. Not to "when I'm travelling". Or "when the laws change". Believe in stripping as a way to make money and keep your dignity TODAY.
242_fair
11-19-2007, 11:39 AM
Honestly, if you have a problem with contact, and low-money situations, you are making a mistake to head south to California. Both cities you mentioned, San Fran and LA are notorious for these problems. Actually I have been to a lot of SF clubs and all were at minimum 2 way contact (indeed many offered MUCH more).
I don't know that much about LA (except Rhino in Santa Barbra which has already been mentioned), but everyone's description menitons how hard the money is to make. Maybe there is a diamond in Cali somewhere,.... but you should be pretty sure about the details before you get there.
Like you are kinda making a tall order, good money and low contact? If there was places like that we would all live there.
AlexxaHex
11-19-2007, 04:12 PM
Honestly, if you have a problem with contact, and low-money situations, you are making a mistake to head south to California. Both cities you mentioned, San Fran and LA are notorious for these problems. Actually I have been to a lot of SF clubs and all were at minimum 2 way contact (indeed many offered MUCH more).
I don't know that much about LA (except Rhino in Santa Barbra which has already been mentioned), but everyone's description menitons how hard the money is to make. Maybe there is a diamond in Cali somewhere,.... but you should be pretty sure about the details before you get there.
Like you are kinda making a tall order, good money and low contact? If there was places like that we would all live there.
LA is very high contact, unless you work in a alcohol-serving bar (you have to be 21 to work in those). You think Portland has whorehouses? WOOOOO!! Honey you ain't seen nothin' yet. Not only are extras going on constantly, but you are expected to definitely give 2-way dances. It's also a very high hustle environment.
Gypsy74
11-19-2007, 04:24 PM
Alexxa- What would club would you consider to have the least contact in LA? I can deal with it, just not for a long period of time (i'll only be there 3 weeks if that)
AlexxaHex
11-19-2007, 04:29 PM
In places that you could work because of your age, that would probably be 4Play in West LA, but it's sorta difficult to get hired there. There's a waiting list for night shift but days are open I think.
AlexxaHex
11-19-2007, 04:33 PM
Oh I wanted to add that you can also search in the club chat for "LA" or "Los Angeles", and also check out . The best thing to do is just get a list of places you think you'd like to work and then call and find out audition times.
Gypsy74
11-19-2007, 04:35 PM
thanks for the recommendation- that's the club i was looking into auditioning at...and Plan B.. weird name for a club though.
AlexxaHex
11-19-2007, 08:48 PM
Plan B sells alcohol so you have to be 21.
4Play is 18+ and nude with NO alcohol.
I think San Diego is lower contact? Would you be able to go there instead?
fancygirl
11-20-2007, 06:21 AM
I think you should try the fabulous tip top in eureka.
I did that years ago and was stoke when I made 200-400 a night for very few hours. they were pretty cool, non alcoholic club. and this was during the summertime.
I know (pot) harvest season in october is supposed to be good, however it should still be decent the end of nov and early dec from the frats and students.
StrayStripper
11-20-2007, 09:54 PM
I challenge anyone to go to work and spend your whole night NOT hustling the floor. Just go on the stage, hustle from the stage, and spend your free time in the dressing room and dj booth watching the other girls rake in money and not get frustrated about it. but... no one would do that- because it's stupid.
I know a few girls who do this and they make more than most. They don't bother with the floor because of the talk hustle stroke the ego bullshit. Their stage game is dead on. Not only do they put on a show, they know how to engage the audience. In a strip club, you can't just look hot, do awesome polework, and expect customers to flock. You have to make them come to your stage. Leogirl is really good at getting customers to her stage and making them tip. Ask her for advice.
What is your definition of whorehouse? From what I've heard is that PDX has super low contact. The standard dance outside of Portland and around the US is 70% grinding plus some touching. Where the guy touches depends on the dancer.
badpixie
11-20-2007, 10:06 PM
What is your definition of whorehouse? From what I've heard is that PDX has super low contact. The standard dance is 70% grinding plus some touching. Where the guy touches depends on the dancer.
Jiggles (the 18+ juice bar she calls a whorehouse) is most certainly not. I worked a couple nights there, and while it wasn't the right fit for me (all young and Hispanic/Spanish-only guys), it was clean, it had security cameras, and the guys weren't allowed to touch.
I have been at the D2 for over a year and a half, and I KNOW minors can bank there. Gypsy is more than attractive enough to do so, but her attitude is terrible and entitled. The minors who make money put on a good show, are friendly, beckon people to come to the stage, look approachable, and ask EVERYONE for dances. They project good attitudes.
Throwing an ashtray or spraying toxic chemicals at a customer is completely unacceptable. We're supposed to be ladies.
Gypsy74
11-20-2007, 10:11 PM
My attitude is not terrible and entitled. The couple times you worked with me it might have seemed like I was that way because they were bad nights for me, but I would say the majority of the time I worked at D2 I did put on a good stage show and hustle from the stage and be as positive as I could.
I know minors can bank there because I HAVE banked... I've made great money, but lately, as a lot of other dancers are experiencing- money has been way off. I think it's even worse for minors when it's off because we have a disadvantage. When no one makes money, the managers are disgruntled, the dancers are discouraged, and the customers are stingy which makes a perfect formula for negativity. I apologized and feel stupid for what I did, but I don't think blanketing my character with the label of a terrible and entitled attitude is fair at all. If you got the chance to know me, you would think a lot differently.
sun child
11-21-2007, 01:16 AM
TRY SOME NEW CLUBS. cabaret is downtown and sassy's is in SE - probably a cheaper cab ride. also i think the money being bad is in your head. maybe money is tight in portland but if you approach things the right way you can make money at any club.
for example - i used to work at nicolai st. clubhouse. total little dive with no private dances. i worked there when i was sick of driving out to beaverton and doing dances. i sometimes made $600 there and usually walked away with at least $200 for dancing on stage. i got $100 tips there. at the dolphin i remember being able to always hustle from the stage. not a personal criticism but you might want to consider that your attitude is causing you to react negatively to the whole minor situation. perhaps you need to adjust your strategy. maybe when you do get a guy to buy dances you should try to snag him as a regular. work a regular schedule and give him an anonymous dancer email where he can email you to ask you when you're working. try to upsell to VIP with guys so you can have more time to talk with them as well as dance.
a lot of women get creative with their income. girls do private parties through an agency or travel to work - i have been traveling myself and i have other sources of non-dancing income so the whole portland money sucking thing is not an issue for me right now. if just dancing at D2 is not working for you, think about getting other sources of income. i have done three non-dancer jobs this year alone. i plan to start working in portland again soon and hope things aren't as bad as you portray them. i probably wouldn't dance in this town if i consistently struggled to make $200 a shift.
if you want to look into non-dancing jobs that pay well - catering season is about to hit and catering is actually a lot of fun and can pay pretty well (with tips and stuff).
britt244
11-21-2007, 06:25 AM
My attitude is not terrible and entitled. The couple times you worked with me it might have seemed like I was that way because they were bad nights for me, but I would say the majority of the time I worked at D2 I did put on a good stage show and hustle from the stage and be as positive as I could.
I know minors can bank there because I HAVE banked... I've made great money, but lately, as a lot of other dancers are experiencing- money has been way off. I think it's even worse for minors when it's off because we have a disadvantage. When no one makes money, the managers are disgruntled, the dancers are discouraged, and the customers are stingy which makes a perfect formula for negativity. I apologized and feel stupid for what I did, but I don't think blanketing my character with the label of a terrible and entitled attitude is fair at all. If you got the chance to know me, you would think a lot differently.
may i please just point out that yes, a lot of girls know money sucks sometimes. maybe even lately for some. but that does NOT give you clearance to act like an asshole. god. ok, asshole isnt the right word. thats mean. but im not erasing it because you are constantly justifying your crappy attitude. you do not have a bad attitude just bc youre not making money. if you have a bad night, and you get a bad attitude as a result, the result of that will be that you continue not making money.
example: saturday night was a HORRIBLE saturday for me. i know some girls dont like to talk money, but i am, just to make my point. this whole weekend was bad. friday i ended up walking with around 400. yes, that is bad for me. typically on a weekend i walk with 700. friday and saturday. but saturday, i ended up leaving with 280. and i thought it was almsot FUNNY. NO ONE could sell dances. the lap dance area was empty. girls were sitting around the bar and standing around and if you saw it it just looked funny. i did not pout and act all angry or anything else. i continued to try when i could, and hell yeah it sucked but i got over it. a negative attitude is just not acceptable in this job. and if you are in ANY way justifying it, than i agree with those saying you should find a new line of work.
Lola Rose
11-21-2007, 09:29 AM
may i please just point out that yes, a lot of girls know money sucks sometimes. maybe even lately for some. but that does NOT give you clearance to act like an asshole. god. ok, asshole isnt the right word. thats mean. but im not erasing it because you are constantly justifying your crappy attitude. you do not have a bad attitude just bc youre not making money. if you have a bad night, and you get a bad attitude as a result, the result of that will be that you continue not making money.
example: saturday night was a HORRIBLE saturday for me. i know some girls dont like to talk money, but i am, just to make my point. this whole weekend was bad. friday i ended up walking with around 400. yes, that is bad for me. typically on a weekend i walk with 700. friday and saturday. but saturday, i ended up leaving with 280. and i thought it was almsot FUNNY. NO ONE could sell dances. the lap dance area was empty. girls were sitting around the bar and standing around and if you saw it it just looked funny. i did not pout and act all angry or anything else. i continued to try when i could, and hell yeah it sucked but i got over it. a negative attitude is just not acceptable in this job. and if you are in ANY way justifying it, than i agree with those saying you should find a new line of work.
I agree. I've had rough spots with a bad attitude, but I've gotten over it. Saturday before last, I had a crappy night too. I made about a 4th what i normally make on a weekend. But me and a friend sat if vip, laughing and giggling. Even though it was a crappy night $$ wise, we still had good attitudes and had fun.
Katrine
11-21-2007, 09:34 AM
I know a few girls who do this and they make more than me, I bet. They don't bother with the floor because of the talk hustle stroke the ego bullshit. Their stage game is dead on. Not only do they put on a show, they know how to engage the audience. In a strip club, you can't just look hot, do awesome polework, and expect customers to flock. You have to make them come to your stage.
This doesn't work for 90% of the clubs out there.
Susan Wayward
11-21-2007, 02:04 PM
Well, it works if you can hustle them from the stage, which is what I think she's talking about. Get them up there, get the tips, hit them up for dances. Although if you're getting them to make it rain, which they'll do in her city (not so much in PDX though it happens) you can make a shit ton of money on stage. There is only one club I've ever danced in where I've topped $500 in a shift on stage tips alone and it's here; not from rain but lots of bigger bills. PDX is unique in that in the smaller clubs you can have a decent shift off of stage tips alone but to really make money you have to sell dances and/or VIPs. Just like most places.
StrayStripper
11-22-2007, 02:26 AM
This doesn't work for 90% of the clubs out there.
You could be right. I don't know for sure. All I know is that Leogirl is good at getting tipped. Our club is not stage focused. The dancers stand there, 4 at a time, in a line up, and sway side to side. Who would tip us? Why would they tip us? Somehow she engages the audience and gets her money.
Kaylinn
11-22-2007, 04:15 AM
rant: I apologize for the unorganized and slightly insane sounding rant ahead... i'm really upset.
Money sucks for me right now, I don't know if everyone else in the Portland area is experiencing the same slump in money as me , but I have barely topped $200 since October 6th. It's a struggle to make 100 dollars half the time, and when I make almost 200 it's a miracle. I REALLY need money right now, it's difficult. I go in with a positive attitude, I'm better on pole and stage performance than I've ever been, I've got my makeup/hair/outfits down to a science- I feel like I'm at the top of my game regarding the things I can control at the moment.
However, last night, a thursday night, the ducks lost the football game. It was super slow when I arrived at 8:30. I was on stage by 9, made 4 dollars my first set. made 7 my second. my third set, no one was tipping me at all, my dancer friend tipped me because she felt bad for me- she's awesome. my fourth set, no one was tipping again- no one at my rack, BUT there was a group of 3 guys who were sitting at the closest possible table to the stage with their chairs turned out from the table facing the stage and WATCHING me. I do my set completely by the rules the first song, dance, put 100 percent effort, remove my top. The second set, they hadn't tipped- so I spun around the pole flicking them off (only them). This made the guy sitting next to them laugh so he came up and gave me 5 dollars because i guess he thought I was funny. The guys at the table were still sitting there, watching, laughing at me - so I threw an ashtray at the guy closest to me's head and continued my set. The guy at the table next to them who tipped before (stephen spielberg look alike) got out of his seat and put another dollar on my rack, I guess trying to encourage the guys to tip. They still didn't tip. I kept dancing. The song ended, and I went to go collect my tips from the guy who did tip me, and then when I faced the assholes who weren't tipping- the pole-cleaner spray bottle was conveniently within reach of my arm- so I grabbed it- sprayed them and said thank you for tipping.
All the dancers in the back thought it was hilarious and were complaining about that group watching for free and not tipping as well but didn't do anything about it- so they thought it was pretty cool I did something about it- but the manager didn't. I admit it wasn't really effective to get them to tip- but it was very justifying for me and the other girls thought it was well deserved and hilarious as well. So the manager told me off and i told him I was pmsing and wasn't in a good mood to work and wanted to go home blah blah blah (I only had 18 dollars or something like that at this point and it was midnight), he made me keep dancing another set. So I went in the back to wait until my set came up , and when I wasn't up for 30 minutes I went to go check with the DJ and the DJ said that the manager told him to take me off rotation-- so I was waiting for nothing. So the DJ put me up as soon as I told him I was waiting to do my last set- I went up, did my set.. got like 2 bucks and then got the manager to ask him to go home. He said I had to do ANOTHER one. At this point, I knew that there was no point in even being there- I had already paid 20 dollars for the taxi there ( it was raining and freezing and windy and I didn't feel like walking to the bus stop, waiting for 15 minutes to connect to theh next bus, and then walking down beaverton hillsdale hwy), so the manager took 20 dollars house fee from me. He told me I could do one more set an the go home- i told him that the entire time I was waiting to go on stage I was waiting for nothing because he told the dj to take me off rotation ( it was 1 AM by now) so I told him I was going home, I quit, and called a cab.
The manager is a fucking asshole. I should be able to decide when I go home, especially if I'm not making any money. It's pointless to work when I'm not even breaking EVEN!! I had to use my debit card for the taxi home, I spent 20 dollars on the taxi there, 20 dollar house fee, and 23 dollar taxi home, so I PAID SIXTY THREE DOLLARS TO GET NAKED AND TREATED LIKE SHIT FOR FREE.
FUCK THIS SHIT. I FUCKING HATE THE DOLPHIN GREG IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE .
EVERYONE SHOULD GO On STRIKE AND SOTP FILLING DEANS POCKETS. HE IS A SELFISH ASSHOLE.
UGHGHGAHDKLSgjklaejfklajl
I'm so sick of this shit. It's not fair. I PAID to get fucked over. fuck that.
Ok. After following this thread for 4 pages, I think I understand the situation well enough to comment on what I see as the problem.
What I bolded in the quote...Gave 100% on the first song, no tip. Second song, flicked them off, third song, threw ashtray.
While you gave it 100% on your first song, you didn't do anythign else to entice those guys to the stage? I used to work at a club thatwas major stage hustling, in fact, I made most of my tips and lapdance sales from the stage. You have to bring the guys up if they don't come on their own. This means more than just doing your best dance and hopign they will notice.
When I danced at that particular club, I would get on my knees, catch the guys eye, smile and tell them come here and wink at them. Or do the finger come hither thing and beckon them over. Most of the time, they would getup and walk over to me, and I would give them a special 20 second show, and hold out my gater for them to tip. Then i would tell them I wanted to dance for them when I was finished with stage. i used to line men up. When I got off stage, I woudl just go around and pick up the guys 1 by 1 and take them back for their dance.Actually..stage hustling was much much easier to me than being hustling guys off the floor.
Occasionally, they would just shake their head no, meaning they didn't want to get up from their chair and come over. no matter, I just turned my sights to someone else. If there was noone else, then I danced for myself and had fun.
Instead of looking at this in a negative light - I'm underage it sucks, Im at a disadvantage, it sucks, not my fault.....why not try to make the best of it?
Ok, I can only hustle from stage, so I will do my best to make money from the stage. This means beckoning men to yoru stage and accepting the ones who refuse to come.
If you can't handle guys not tipping you at stage, how the hell will you handle lapdance rejection at a club where you can hustle the floor?
I guess what it boils down to is this - There are a lot of crappy circumstances in life, but how they affect you personally is all in how you choose to deal with the circumstances delt to you. You can't always change the circumstances, but you can always change how you allow them to affect you.
anyway....good luck with whatever you decide.
ps...I do hope you reign in the temper tho. You never know who's watching. It's possible thoes nontipping guys justhappened to be broke on that one occasion, but maybe they would have came back nextweek, and looked you up because you were so nice to them before. but now they will just remember you as the crazy girl who chucked an ashtray at them. Or they will tell all their( possibly rich) friends avoid that girl -she's a bitch. No matter how cheap, rude or nasty a customer is, you should always try to handle the situation as gracefully as possible, cause you justnever know who they are gonna tell.
holiday
11-22-2007, 09:20 AM
You never know who's watching. It's possible thoes nontipping guys justhappened to be broke on that one occasion, but maybe they would have came back nextweek, and looked you up because you were so nice to them before. but now they will just remember you as the crazy girl who chucked an ashtray at them. Or they will tell all their( possibly rich) friends avoid that girl -she's a bitch. No matter how cheap, rude or nasty a customer is, you should always try to handle the situation as gracefully as possible, cause you justnever know who they are gonna tell.
VERRY good point Kaylinn. That is absolutely so true. I sell more dances than you can imagine to guys who have come in and told me straight that they saw me before and came back specifically for me. They say, either I am always doing dances so they wanted to get one, or I just seem nice/cute/etc.
But I also wanted to add that I hope you don't think we're ganging up on you Gypsy74. It is interesting how this thread has gotten so long. There is nothing dancers like more than explaining how to do the job. Not really of course, but you know what I mean, and I'm guilty of it myself. You get to be an expert after all when someone firsts asks you for advice.
I'll admit my money would dramatically drop if I had to hustle only from stage. I hope I'd be able to adjust, but I know as it is, with my current hustle, I'd be scared.
One last story though. I worked with girl who every so often would pretend to be a minor. She said she could make money that way. Maybe when she was tired of talking to guys for longer than she wanted, or when she thought guys were into young ones, I don't know her thinking exactly, but she did it and I always thought that was interesting.
leogirl876
11-23-2007, 05:00 AM
You could be right. I don't know for sure. All I know is that Leogirl is good at getting tipped. Our club is not stage focused. The dancers stand there, 4 at a time, in a line up, and sway side to side. Who would tip us? Why would they tip us? Somehow she engages the audience and gets her money.
Thanks for the compliment SS!!!;D I'd say that I do get most of my dances and VIP hours from the stage. I have a hard time just going up to a random customer, it's easier for me to get a customer up to my stage, feel him out, see how much he tips me and decide who I'll hit up first. I don't necessarily make tons of money on stage (like never had it rain on me) but get enough that I've either got plenty of dances lined up or got a couple of customers who is VIP quality. I gave advice in another post in this thread how to use the stage to her advantage (even though I bitch about going on stage all the time, I really don't mind it because it's how I know who to go up to), I told her how to flirt with them and talk to them for like 10 seconds and get dances lined up from the stage. It's a quick, easy hustle.
PhillyDancer1982
11-25-2007, 11:01 AM
No! You seriously flipped these guys off, threw an ashtray at them and sprayed them with pole cleaner? Just because they were not tipping you? They were not at your stage. They were oogling you...but did you think that they might want dances later? Some of my best customers never tip on stage. Did you go for more than one song without solidifying judgment that they were dicks? And then...
You assaulted them. You threw things at them.
That's as far as I read. I don't care what happened next. You should have been fired just for that.
LOL that reminds me of the time that me and the doorguy got into an argument, so I took the plastic pumpkin full o' peppermint candy and threw it at his back! Haha. The doorguy ran up to the manager to immediately snitch on me, second grade style, too. Manager didn't really care though, he just told us to not talk to each other for the rest of the night.
I do think that you went a little too far by spraying them with pole cleaner. But I can see why you'd flick them off. It sounds like they were cheap bastards.
daniella_maria
11-25-2007, 12:31 PM
You know, sweetheart, I have heard a LOT of girls complaining about D2 lately, so I can understand that you are frustrated.
I went through a period of throwing ice at people, and boy am I ever embarrassed about that now. The trick is, you have to try being nice first. I KNOW that yes, these non-tipping customers know better, they know they should be tipping. You just have to take a second to help them realize how awesome you are and make them feel guilty.
I use a "three strikes you're out rule." I have done this SO many times, with pretty good results.
Attempt #1: Smile/wave/wink. Say hi. Very simple. 50/50 chance of working.
Attempt #2: "Hey guys. I just wanted to stop by and let you know that the other dancers and I would really appreciate your tips. Thanks in advance." Smile. Walk away.
8 out of 10 times this works.
Attempt #3: "Guys, can I ask you something? I got all dolled up tonight, and I've been putting on a fun show. You've been watching, but you haven't tipped. Mind if I ask why?"
This usually results in money being handed to you directly. However, you will get a douchebag response once in a blue moon. Regardless of what that douchebag response is, I always say "Ok, well thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't sure if you were ignorant or just a jerk. I'll make sure I pass this on to the other dancers." Smile, walk away.
Once they realize they aren't going to get any attention, they usually leave.
ha! I love this!
britt244
11-25-2007, 02:05 PM
LOL that reminds me of the time that me and the doorguy got into an argument, so I took the plastic pumpkin full o' peppermint candy and threw it at his back! Haha. The doorguy ran up to the manager to immediately snitch on me, second grade style, too. Manager didn't really care though, he just told us to not talk to each other for the rest of the night.
I do think that you went a little too far by spraying them with pole cleaner. But I can see why you'd flick them off. It sounds like they were cheap bastards.
can i ask why? they were not sitting at her stage. guys are NOT required to tip every girl, and if theyre sitting near the stage but not at it, and dont want to tip, they shouldnt have to move.
Dottie Rebel
11-25-2007, 02:08 PM
^^Probably because Gypsy said the guys were at the closest table to the stage with their chairs turned toward the stage staring at her. And not showing any appreciation. I mean, say what you will about her reaction, but I've been there before and it's a really demeaning feeling.
Kaylinn
11-25-2007, 06:30 PM
^That's when you go to the furthest part of the stage away from them, and dance with your back to them.
I agree it is a very demeaning feeling. Even worse when you ask for the tip and get told no thanks or something.