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Dirty Ernie
11-24-2007, 12:48 AM
Hey sh0t, I'm curious about something. When you bounced back into pink in the SoCal meet-up thread were you supplicating, angling, charming or what? Just curious how you would define it. Much more of an effective entry than CE's.

I really wanted to segue this into a PUA observation/question, but it may be better off as a separate topic.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 01:23 AM
Half of them already know me

It belongs in this topic.


I prefer 95% of the site hate me if the 5% I care about feels otherwise. specifically the ones that are actually nearby.

The hedonism thread has me LOLing because of how they said the PLs from SW would cockblock.

mr_punk
11-24-2007, 03:55 AM
But even in general I don't think what I am saying is anything even mildly controversial anywhere other than SW.of course, it's controversial because within the context of SW. you're suggesting that the men (and women) modify their behavior in exchange for cheap interaction and attention from strippers. obviously, it's an absurd proposition. :sarcastic

But leaving that aside, it is STILL not an outrageous claim at all. That men want to get laid is a given. That men lie about their motivations and whatever, well, that's a given, too.or as it says in the Bible: He who hath dateth a woman only for her brains or never maketh a booty call among you, let him first cast a stone....or something like that.

You know what? I'm a woman, and I change the way I act when I'm around men, too. I don't think this is necessarily a good thing or a bad thing, it's just what people do.excellent. hopefully, the men who disagree with shot will agree with you and thereby agree with shot by proxy and we can all learn a valuable life lesson. nah..who am i kidding?

There is a thread on the pink side now, the hedonism one int he lounge. They are calling the male regulars PLs that would cock block the [male] hotties at Hedonism if they invited male members to come. Then i look at the response CE got from his post and I'm just like...whoa. It's funny to me, but at the same time, kinda sad.ROTFLMAO...thanks for the laugh. i guess he never heard of the phrase,"if you kiss a stripper's ass. you'll end up with a mouthfull of shit". anyway, this is hardly a setback for him and others like him. some guys just can't help themselves. in any case, perhaps they have a point about cock blocking. i mean, didn't a PL from here cock block you?

Katrine
11-24-2007, 05:42 AM
There is a thread on the pink side now, the hedonism one int he lounge. They are calling the male regulars PLs that would cock block the [male] hotties at Hedonism if they invited male members to come. Then i look at the response CE got from his post and I'm just like...whoa. It's funny to me, but at the same time, kinda sad.
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Some single dudes are asking me to invite them into the Yahoo group, where we share personal information. I had to see what the consensus was. I don't think they will cockblock, I am not afraid of telling a man to piss off and stop messing with my game. But I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable either.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 06:14 AM
Punk: during the first iteration, i got there eventually.

It wasn't really a setback so much as it just made me LOL because of the assumption. I was just visualizing what it might possibly look like.

Katrine: Unless some girl from here will affirm to wanting to inhale a certain member's cock, dont even think of allowing dudes. The trip will flop hard if the girls even suspect sw males will be around.

To a normal stripperweb meet, no problem, but to some sex-charged thing like that? I can only imagine.

That said, women have a bad habit of trying to check out a man's phone when he's in the bathroom or asleep. Tsk tsk tsk.

xdamage
11-24-2007, 06:57 AM
of course, it's controversial because within the context of SW. you're suggesting that the men (and women) modify their behavior in exchange for cheap interaction and attention from strippers. obviously, it's an absurd proposition.

Couldn't possibly happen.

Besides if there is anything like that going on, well, it is a lot more like doing favors for the little old ladies on Sunday. No motives except to do a good deed.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 07:41 AM
You might be interested in this link x:

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 08:05 AM
I usually have three women I am attracted to: Whore, Mother, and Saint.
Do your archetype here relate to the Madonna/Whore complex frequently mentioned? They seem like they do just a bit. I can't say I really have any classifications like this. On one hand, I see women as sort of a morass of "woman", but then I also them as individuals pretty de-marcated as well.

A device I use to explain it somehow is that I don't believe in SLUTS, GOOD-GIRLS, or whatever. I believe in slut-PHASES, and good-girl-PHASES that I think all women go through, either linearly, or cyclically. If you meet a girl during a slut phase, you will be sure she is like that. If you had met the same girl 3 months ago, you would have sworn she was one of those girls you bring home to mom. I also think different men get different characters. Most girls know how I am, so they just show me their "casual sex is fine" face. While another guy, say the courting type, will only see their good girl persona.

I've never really had that kind of this-girl-for-this-role kindof feeling.


No I am not aware of the movement, its sounds very interesting.
The men's movement is primarily concerned with divorce and paternity issues, but some of its trickle down has been related to dating, gender issues in the workplace, etc. I read a lot of pertinent stuff mostly out of prevention of future probles. The anti-marriage sentiment had a big effect on me though. Though I sometimes daydream about marriage and children, my opinion of it is so clouded, I doubt I could ever do it until I was in late, late, middle age. Too much to lose for me now.

I also feel that in some ways, I have "out ran" women and that I have a hard time feeling deeply for them these days. While I have no relationship management skills whatever, I have become a master of "the first three months", and women are very predictable to me now.

Another problem I have is that I have spent so much time with the women of other men, that I realize how thin the line is for fidelity. Women who under any other circumstacnes people would swear would never cheat can and most certainly would. There is always a cooler guy out there, especially if you had a bad week the weekend of her trip to San Diego or Vegas. That's one of the biggest downsides of womanizing: it can really injure your belief in relationships. Even with the concept of the open relationship gaining steam, it is still something I am suspicious of.

xdamage
11-24-2007, 08:14 AM
You might be interested in this link x:
http://www.cooltools4men.com/2007/08/is-there-anything-good-about-men.html

Actually I am. Thanks. It is an interesting theory.


p.s. Although again, I can see it triggering a rage among some feminists because it just doesn't fit with the theory that men and women are identical.

Chicagoeditor
11-24-2007, 08:32 AM
Some single dudes are asking me to invite them into the Yahoo group, where we share personal information. I had to see what the consensus was. I don't think they will cockblock, I am not afraid of telling a man to piss off and stop messing with my game. But I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable either.

As I see I've been referenced in this thread, it's necessary I throw in.

My post wasn't meant to suggest I wanted to attend the SW island orgy, Shot. Sorry if you got that impression.

By the way, I agree that the ladies should go on this trip--maybe with some SOs in tow--without the SW male peanut gallery.

Speaking for myself, even if I were invited on embossed, scented paper to this thing, I would not go. Post-orgy smalltalk is just too awkward for me. Been there, done that.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 08:38 AM
I know what your intention was. I'm talking about the response and later posts about SW PLs.

You should have known better than to post in it though.

Chicagoeditor
11-24-2007, 08:40 AM
You should have known better than to post in it though.

This from a guy who delights in postings intended to irritate and start fires? Nice.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 08:43 AM
That's what people accuse me of. I don't do it for that.

How many times have I had to post and tell people to stop misrepresenting what I say and why I say it?

On a less side note, the fourth section in this is the real clincher for me:





I'm Living the American Dream and Hating Every Minute of It.

I'm a 38 y/o male who is married to a beautiful woman and have 1 kid with 1 more on the way. we have what many consider to be the ideal life. Nice house, good jobs, SUV and a overall nice lifestyle. Problem is I hate my life. I feel trapped and destined to live the life of a corporate warrior and familyman when I really long for something else. I've been married for 9 years now and while I love my wife, I feel that I need more space and to be honest long for some variety.

I wish I could walk away from it all.

mr_punk
11-24-2007, 09:20 AM
Some single dudes are asking me to invite them into the Yahoo group, where we share personal information. I had to see what the consensus was. I don't think they will cockblock, I am not afraid of telling a man to piss off and stop messing with my game. But I don't want anyone to feel uncomfortable either.you think they won't? LOL...they'll be all over you girls like a trekkie meeting William Shatner at a convention. why, they'll probably cock block you, each other and the other tourists so much. you might as well rename it CB Fest. Hedonism will probably ask you to leave for bring a plague of cock blockers to the resort.

It wasn't really a setback so much as it just made me LOL because of the assumption.yeah, but i mean setback in the sense that being verbally biatch slapped by a woman won't stop a sycophant from supplicating. it just rolls off their back.

Speaking for myself, even if I were invited on embossed, scented paper to this thing, I would not go. Post-orgy smalltalk is just too awkward for me. Been there, done that.ok, but why are you saying this to kat? i mean, she didn't bitch slap you.

safado
11-24-2007, 10:06 AM
There is a thread on the pink side now, the hedonism one int he lounge. They are calling the male regulars PLs that would cock block the [male] hotties at Hedonism if they invited male members to come. Then i look at the response CE got from his post and I'm just like...whoa. It's funny to me, but at the same time, kinda sad.


I saw that and I though it was funny. I thought to my self, what guy in their right mind would want to go there with a bunch of elitist strippers who think they are so much better then us.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 10:23 AM
@Jay Z
I have wanted to walk away from jobs, and I have. That's the point. It's easier, usually, to walk away from a job than from a family.

The problem according to those sites, and I agree, is that men get brainwashed into following one tract but then realize too late they were bambazooled. They suggest that men would be happier being selfish for a longer period of time(40s) and having kids near the twilight of life.

I consider myself lucky for having these ideas presented to me now than say, 10 years later when I might have been married with children and regretting it. Call him whiny if you want, but dude is doing me and similar men a big favor. He is going against the strong current to always label having children as pleasant, and even speak well of marriage.

@safado: A guy who would probably end up spending a lot of money on people other than himself, too.

Richard_Head
11-24-2007, 11:13 AM
I'm Living the American Dream and Hating Every Minute of It.

I'm a 38 y/o male who is married to a beautiful woman and have 1 kid with 1 more on the way. we have what many consider to be the ideal life. Nice house, good jobs, SUV and a overall nice lifestyle. Problem is I hate my life. I feel trapped and destined to live the life of a corporate warrior and familyman when I really long for something else. I've been married for 9 years now and while I love my wife, I feel that I need more space and to be honest long for some variety.

I wish I could walk away from it all.What do think the odds are that if he had the life that he wishes he had, that he'd want exactly what he now has?

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 11:16 AM
It's well known that the divorce rate is high; the problem is the cost associated with it. As said elsewhere on the no-marriage site, divorce is comparable to taking a man's earning years of 35-45 and throwing the net income away.

The contest is over that world view labeled as "pretty damn good." That's the myth: that his scenario is so good. Only too late do some men learn that it is lacking. I used to aspire for exactly his scenario, minus the meloncholy brought on by actually experiencing it. Now, I think about quite a different array.

It seems like a few others here have had similar changes of mind.


What do think the odds are that if he had the life that he wishes he had, that he'd want exactly what he now has?
Extremely low. The biggest regret people usually have is the unrecoverable youth and money, but the trend to appreciate the newfound freedom.

Richard_Head
11-24-2007, 11:18 AM
^^^I can't argue with that, some people are never happy though.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 11:23 AM
true. Are you a fan of michael crichton? He wrote an interesting article on our state of affairs:




At a conference in Aspen, Betty Friedan argues that women are more moral than men. She receives a standing ovation from men and women alike. I refuse to stand. And seeing the men applauding and smiling, I think: If a man came to this conference and gave a speech in which he said that men were inherently more moral than women, the women would stone him to death.
So why are these men standing and applauding?
What's happened to men, anyway?
There is no question that men feel under attack, and psychologically beaten down. All sorts of horrible qualities are attributed to us: we are unemotional, we are brutal, we are violent, we are uncaring. We're lousy lays. We don't know how to do it. We don't know how to find that clit. We don't know how to satisfy our mates.
We've been hearing this for more than twenty years. There are young men who have grown up in America who have heard nothing else.

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 11:39 AM
I have a nice home, cars, home electronics, and a loving family.

I don't need a wife for any of that. In fact, a wife makes the prospect of my kind of cars and electronics less likely. Wives are expensive, and tend not to be big fans of street-legal-but-belongs-on-the-track cars, for example. They find the ride a bit harsh.

I think his complaint is more universal than we may realize, as that Crichton article humorously points out. Even among people "closer to nature"(to use a sensitive term inplace of savages), many men still complain about women. Reading the Classics and such illustrates that 2000 years ago, the West held very similar opinions. When allowed by wealth or status, many men went after a lifestyle quite different from the American Dream. They had wives for bookkeeping purposes, but had concubines, mistresses, extravenge for their period, etc.

But I think we are talking about a quite different environment when you make your illustration. For example, in those more primative circumstances, the men have, usually, a far better control over the marriage than men do in the west. In the west,a woman can cheat on you and take your house. In those savage areas, the women cheat on you and then get a house dropped on them.

That makes a difference. Some men in the west would KILL for those kind of husband rights

safado
11-24-2007, 11:58 AM
I have a nice home, cars, home electronics, and a loving family.


In the west,a woman can cheat on you and take your house.


I know how you feel, I also have a home and I would not want to get rid of my toys(car and ATV).

I had a cheating fiance that was enough for me, I will pass on the cheating wife. It is a good thing that the wedding did not happen.

xdamage
11-24-2007, 12:10 PM
true. Are you a fan of michael crichton? He wrote an interesting article on our state of affairs:

http://www.michaelcrichton.com/essay-playboy-menshearts.html



Yes, I agree. It is very much the way I see it, and related to the wiki article link I posted on misandry in another thread.

I can only guess (or at least hope) that it is a just a temporary social wave, an over-correction for inequalities of the past, and that in time, it will even out.

For the moment though in history, I couldn't agree more with Mr. Crichton.

Katrine
11-24-2007, 03:14 PM
A device I use to explain it somehow is that I don't believe in SLUTS, GOOD-GIRLS, or whatever. I believe in slut-PHASES, and good-girl-PHASES that I think all women go through, either linearly, or cyclically. If you meet a girl during a slut phase, you will be sure she is like that.


Really? I've been in slut-phase for the last decade. When does this good-girl phase occur, if ever?

Katrine
11-24-2007, 03:20 PM
@safado: A guy who would probably end up spending a lot of money on people other than himself, too.

FYI, Hedonism is all inclusive. We don't need your money for drinks, etc. Hence, we don't need you. Neener, neener, kiss my ass! :neener:

Katrine
11-24-2007, 03:29 PM
Its so humorous to read these one-sided diatribes by men who would otherwise have spent the same amount of money as strip-club PL's until they read something like nomarriage.com and "saw the light."

If you marry a woman for the wrong reason and do not keep and open line of communication with her throughout the relationship, poor results are inevitable. Why do men marry "wives who don't work?" If they want to call THEIR OWN children screaming, annoying kids, then they should use adequate birth control until they are prepared for the responsibility.

Like Sh0t, I try to read these types of site periodically as well. It gives me good vitriol to use before I go to the gym. Those are the days I have my trainer bring out her kickboxing gear and I kick the shit out of those blocks.

I want to stay single too, for the same reasons. I need nothing material from men. I want the emotional connection, love, companionship, etc. But when so many males are afraid and concerned for their nest egg from "gold-diggin bitches", how are they ever going to relax and put their guard down.


Here is the stereotype I'm deriving from these pathetic no-marriage slobs. They married the first girl that gave him consistent ass and pretended to be a "sweetheart." Ooooh boy, guys sure do love 'em sweet girls. ::) He thought it would last forever and now he's in a pickle. These types of men should never had reproduced at all. 10,000 years ago they would have been a Delta male in the cast, existing only to fight tribal wars, while the leaders got to shag all the women. They would have been the first to be sacrificed to the saber-tooth tigers.

Ok, I'll stop now. I don't actually hate men FTR. I love them! Some of them. :-\

Katrine
11-24-2007, 03:32 PM
Wait, just one more from this post-whore. Despite all the ranting and raving of these spoiled little man-bitches, they STILL want to get married and have a family. Only they want foreign submissive slave bitches because they are supposedly better than US women. Its all bullshit. Pathetic.

http://www.nomarriage.com/why_foreign_women_are_better.html

Sh0t
11-24-2007, 04:31 PM
Yea but JZ, the point was you brought up those modern toys as as part of the package but the focus was on the relationship and kids situation. I was trying to say that he could have all those other things and not have to deal with the wife and her baggage.

The guy wasn't talking about walking away from electronics. He was talking about the family situation. That is independent of technology level.


Really? I've been in slut-phase for the last decade. When does this good-girl phase occur, if ever?
You've had some relationships in the past decade. But even life-long "sluts" can change on a dime when they meet the right guy. That's often what happens to them. More common is the good-girl who is having her season of promiscuity after a breakup or depending on what was on tv that year.

I think you go overboard with the "I'm a slut" thing. I don't think you'd have any problem being a good and faithful partner assuming a proper mate came along.

Katrine, those guys didn't marry "women who didn't want to work". At least not at first. The women change over time. The lose all of their attractive qualities and almost certainly their physical attractive via weight gain and hair choppage. The decrease in sex is another big problem and probably the biggest. I bet even if a chick got fat and lazy, but put out and gave head often, the guy wouldn't care so much.
In years prior, those marriages WOULD have lasted forever. Most divorces are initiated by woman, and that bat is often swung when the woman has seen a better specimen or reached a point in her calculus that the divorce bole would be a better stream of income than co-spending the husband's money. Some women are indeed this mercenary.

I don't disagree with your archeology, however. As I said earlier in the thread, I believe that beta MALES are the people who pushed the institution of ritualized monogamy. Not women and not alpha males.

FBR
11-24-2007, 07:01 PM
Kat, do you visualize the Hedon trip involving ya'll banging the buff boys there or a SW stripper female orgy? I'm trying to get my arms around how many of the SW girls are really bi or lesbian as opposed to just flirting on line for sisterhood purposes.

FBR

Katrine
11-24-2007, 07:41 PM
Kat, do you visualize the Hedon trip involving ya'll banging the buff boys there or a SW stripper female orgy? I'm trying to get my arms around how many of the SW girls are really bi or lesbian as opposed to just flirting on line for sisterhood purposes.

FBR

Hehehe, what happens at Stripperfests stays at stripperfests. Seriously, I cannot divulge the details, but lets say that after the last event, I couldn't get the smell of vag out of my hair all day.

No one is going to specifically fuck anyone or anything, unless they are bringing their SO. That is male thinking FBR. We're going to have a fun vacation. What do you normally do at a beach vacation? That's the same goal for us, with the additional perk of not having to listen to whiney children.

Lapaholic
11-24-2007, 09:09 PM
by Sh0t-> Katrine, those guys didn't marry "women who didn't want to work". At least not at first. The women change over time. The lose all of their attractive qualities and almost certainly their physical attractive via weight gain and hair choppage. The decrease in sex is another big problem and probably the biggest. I bet even if a chick got fat and lazy, but put out and gave head often, the guy wouldn't care so much.
Sh0t - u seem to have a very narrow view of marriage... I mean I do agree with u that is is best to NOT get married til later in life when u r more mature and responsible. But sex ( not butt sex ) is far down on the list for a successful marriage tho occasional head is always appreciated- imho. THere is so much more in living your life another person - common goals, shared responsibilities - u know a team approach to making a life. Its not for everyone. Nothing wrong with being single for the rest one one's life either.

Also those guys whose wives got a little fat and chopped their hair. Well guess what - they also got a little fat, a little grayer and maybe bald. You know us 40 and 50 something guys arent exactly what we used to be either - tho some hold on better than others... Its why I say that sex and good looks are not great reasons to get married. There hopefully is a deeper connection - and i am not talking eharmony connections either... WE all age - we all get ugly and fat and gross and OLD... its what we do best as a species. So if u r not comfortable with dealing with those changes in another person who u r committing to staying monogamous then its best not to

I even tell my son - when ur ready for kids then get married - until then shack up or whatever. Which is exactly what my wife and I did. We lived together for 4 years and decided we wanted children and wanted to be together for like a lifetime so then we got married.

So do I see a hot lady and go - "Man thats would be nice!!!" Yep... Do I visualize it in my dirty little mind - Fuck yea.... Do I think about it while Im bangin' Mrs Lap ... Uh maybe a little. I mean shit - im still a guy .. right?

Im with JZ on this one ... Married life is great and for that extra little spice - a SC is a safe way to add it. But its not for everyone...

I am assuming Shot that u are a young guy - am I wrong??? < 30 maybe?

lestat1
11-25-2007, 12:05 AM
The Delta Males fight in the tribal wars? Aww crap; I'm so not soldier-y. I guess I'm more like Echo Male, or maybe Hotel. Seriously, how have men like me not been bred out by now? There should be no DNA remaining in the gene pool that can lead to a "me." Pisses me off. Reason #2 why I don't want kids; they might end up like me. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and certainly not on my own offspring.

Sh0t
11-25-2007, 03:38 AM
I'm young, mid 20s. What are you?

That said, sex is important for a marriage, according to these complaints by the guys. The number one complaints seems to be the lack of sex. They don't mind the long hours. All that companionship shit, bla bla...it's hard for me to feel a connection to a woman I'm not having sex with. Probably same for those guys.

In one of the articles the guys talk about hitting the gym and losing weight. Even if they both got fat, the dudes still want some from their now-fat wives.

One problem is what you define as a successful marriage. If the satisfaction of the guy is the metric, then than normal 'successful marriage' falls short in many cases. If the metric is raising healthy children, supporting a wife, etc, then maybe it satisfies.


added:
See this one:


Women repeatedly try to fool and outright lie to themselves with the aid of self-help books, magazine articles and daytime television into believing that sex is not really an important marriage component to their husbands. Generally speaking, a woman will never hesitate lying to herself to maintain the belief that she's on top of it all. They honestly think (subliminally or consciously) that they can hold a man's sex life hostage. If a couple has been married more than a decade and she has let herself go as previously described, he has definitely compromised his wedding vows for a little strange (if he's unattractive, he just goes to a massage parlor or a prostitute -- but they all do it).

"Not my husband!" Yes, your husband too.

Once he's cheated, he's done so because he considers this a cheap alternative to divorce. He will do his best to make sure she never finds out, either out of love, or out of fear of adultery being brought into the divorce proceedings. The most disciplined of men, those who are planning their escape from sexual Alcatraz while his wife is orchestrating another backyard sleepover, knows why, when and how he is going to bail from his marriage. He waits until the lawyers are done before sending himself into new female company. Women continually fall for this crap, thinking they can get away with having a husband who's satisfied with a dormant sex life.

another, i like this guy's tone:




3. I won't seriously consider dating a woman who has a lot of hangups about sex. Since I have had all my children, since I can cook and clean and make a damn good living for myself and my children, you bring nothing to the table I need in the traditional sense. Hell, most women can't or won't cook a decent meal anymore and are as a general rule clueless in regard to the domestic arts. If you have a lot of hangups about sex before we are monogamous, I pretty much see the writing on the wall after we have been together for a while. You might not like it, but sex is important to men, yes actually, it IS mostly about sex. Now that we are all well educated as to the dangers of unprotected sex, STDs and birth control, I don't see the problem. Your pussy is not the only one in the universe and it isn't plated with gold. If you won't have sex with a man, one of your slutty sisters around the corner will.


Another :(


I thank these men for their warnings.

Casual Observer
11-25-2007, 08:35 AM
Maybe it stems from our current social trends, or mothers who are over mother their kids, or too many messages that say men should act like women or see them as "identical" to themselves, but whatever the reasons, a lot of guys seem to be walking around who pride themselves on being "nice" and "agreeable" to women vs just being themselves, being honest, and not worrying that every woman likes them.Agreed in full. This is to what I was referring regarding the emasculating socialization of men in the last 30 years. Love my mother, but the first time I asked her how to get this girl's attention (no father in the picture) when I was 11 years old, she said, "Just be her friend." Horrible, horrible, horrible advice that cursed me with women until I was almost 25. But I don't fault her because what else was she going to say to me?


Here is the stereotype I'm deriving from these pathetic no-marriage slobs. They married the first girl that gave him consistent ass and pretended to be a "sweetheart." Ooooh boy, guys sure do love 'em sweet girls. ::) He thought it would last forever and now he's in a pickle. These types of men should never had reproduced at all. 10,000 years ago they would have been a Delta male in the cast, existing only to fight tribal wars, while the leaders got to shag all the women. They would have been the first to be sacrificed to the saber-tooth tigers.Hard to disagree with this logic.


Wait, just one more from this post-whore. Despite all the ranting and raving of these spoiled little man-bitches, they STILL want to get married and have a family. Only they want foreign submissive slave bitches because they are supposedly better than US women. Its all bullshit. Pathetic.Agreed. It speaks more to their own deep-seated sense of inferiority and malevolent desire to hold power over someone else rather than their desire for truly healthy and symbiotic relationships. Pathetic indeed.

xdamage
11-25-2007, 09:26 AM
The Delta Males fight in the tribal wars? Aww crap; I'm so not soldier-y. I guess I'm more like Echo Male, or maybe Hotel. Seriously, how have men like me not been bred out by now? There should be no DNA remaining in the gene pool that can lead to a "me." Pisses me off. Reason #2 why I don't want kids; they might end up like me. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and certainly not on my own offspring.

This post was humorous but also unfortunate at the same time. Maybe I wasn't aware of it when I was younger, but it does seem to me there are an awful lot of guys now wandering around who have heard the message "not good enough" so often that they have taken it to heart. The gene pool really didn't change in the last 20-30 years. What has changed is the society.

As with most things, I think the fact that sites like nomarriage.com exist and you read about many guys looking for mates outside of the country reflects a social problem that is not strictly one sided. One thing to ask, if you are hearing the message "not good enough" from a woman that goes through mates like underwear, it may well be that the problem is with her. That what she wants is unrealistic, or she has a problem with fundamentally being bored, or she is just looking for a reason to find fault, or she just fundamentally doesn't like males, or... the list goes on. But you can only internalize someone else's problems so much before you have to start asking, how much of the problem lies with them?

I see far too many men who have heard and ingrained the message, "my self worth is dependent on the approval of hot women". Garrr.. I really want to shake these guys and tell them to knock it off.

Hot women are the norm, at least when they are young, common, easily found, and a dime a dozen. Nothing has changed in the last 20-30 years gene wise except that women are showing more of what nature has already given them, and what will soon fade with age (although plastic surgery can defer the inevitable for a while). And besides, it is just genetic luck of the draw, being hot doesn't tell you anything about their sanity, or person.

Unfortunately, I see so many young guys who are so mesmerized by women's bodies, so wanting of them, that they totally forget... THEY ARE GOOD ENOUGH. The gene pool really hasn't changed any. And frankly... if American women want the kind of guy you are not, really, who decided that they set the standard of what is the ideal female persona? (this is analogous to the argument a lot of women use with regards to their looks when they are feeling like they don't measure up to the American standard, they say who set the standard of beauty?) The gene pool has managed to survive and thrive long before 1776 or the recent Woman's movement in this country.

Mind you, I am 100% in favor of women's rights, and I believe in equal rights, but I don't believe men and women are born identical. I believe the gene pool has divided in a certain way (and not just people, but in species after species) because dual sexes with differences is what works. Being different does not mean they shouldn't be treated equally, but gender is not just some social construction (no matter what feminists believe, their theory is complete and utter hogwash). It's okay for men to be men, and not be women. And in fact I think, when men start acting like men (vs trying to be like women) they find that women find them attractive. Hundreds of millions of years of genetic drives just turn on. So be yourself. Enjoy being a guy. And it doesn't matter if all women find it attractive, but invariably, some will.

Lapaholic
11-25-2007, 05:56 PM
Shot - I guess what I am saying is that - sex while important is only one piece of a successful marriage but there are many reasons why people sex habits change. ONce you in the 30s u may have major work pressure, you may have kids which puts pressure on your finances and your love life. You go thru doldrums because your with the same chic. But its the other reasons that u got married that hopefully will pull u thru. Like JZ said - u have to work at it and stay with it. Its a marathon and some of these quotes in nomarriage sound like guys who got married for the wrong reasons and may not have the staying power to stick it out. Your are also only getting their side of the story.

And that one quote that says womens mags have articles that sex isnt important - id like to know what mag they are reading. Ive read Cosmo and all the stuff the wife reads and they usually have several articles on improving sex. I must admit that entry surprised me. Ill look at an issue and count the articles on improving sex with your man...

I would say that yea, when young - sex was what it was all about. I definitely do not look at sex the same as u - a 20 something. Different world at 49 my friend. A better world - imho. Of course, when I was 25, I wound not have seen it that way. I am not obsessed with sex like I was which actually is a relief. Thats not to say that I dont enjoy sex ( and often ) or that I dont lust - sex is just not the force in my life now than when I was your age. Of course, it may never been as much a force to me at any age compared to u.

The reason I asked your age is it seemed that your POV was that of a young guy - not that there is anything wrong with it... U know just about every married guy - happy even - would be jealous of a young guy with no strings...

Jenny
11-25-2007, 06:48 PM
Love my mother, but the first time I asked her how to get this girl's attention (no father in the picture) when I was 11 years old, she said, "Just be her friend." Horrible, horrible, horrible advice that cursed me with women until I was almost 25. But I don't fault her because what else was she going to say to me? CO - out of curiosity - what do you think that a non-emasculated man would have told you at 11 years old? To be sexually aggressive and occasionally say mean things, to pull her hair, or to import a woman from the Philippines instead? That seems pretty inappropriate to tell a little kid. "Just be her friend" seems... like age appropriate advice. Like, is it what you might tell a man at 25? No, not unless you wanted him to be a title case "Nice Guy". But... as a child, I think it's good advice. I'm just wondering what you think this advice has to do with what you call the emasculation of men?

Sh0t
11-25-2007, 07:16 PM
I already have a plan for what I'm going to teach my sons if I have any. I will tell him the real deal and he'll see it work and then I won't have to say anymore.

My mom told me the same bullshit but thank god my pops was around and at least gave some different perspective.

I can remember being 11 and in junior high school. I would have easily understood stuff that present-Sh0t would have told me.

All that foreign women shit is bs, we don't care about the foreign women. American woman are fine as long as you are careful on how the dynamic is set up. I wouldn't get married to any nationality until 50, though.

Lapaholic,

I talk to older men all the time. I don't have to be their age to get their POV. They tell me overwhelmingly the same shit: Don't do it!

Different world at 49? Maybe, but I think a lot of that is what options the guys think they have. I know a lot of playboys who are 49 and up. They bang hot 20s women and love the lifestyle. They have WAAAAY more wealth than the average married dude of the same age because they didn't have to spend it on a family and wife. Somehow that seems like a good plan

FBR
11-25-2007, 07:47 PM
My mother and in-laws are in their mid-80's. My in-laws are still pretty spry but my mom is in bad shape. She requires a lot of attention. Fortunately there are several of us kids to pitch in.

I'm, like, 25-30 years from that age group. I may not make it that long but if I do I'd rather have my adult kids there to see to my welfare as opposed to some government social service person. Maybe that is one (selfish?) reason to get married and have kids.

FBR

Lapaholic
11-26-2007, 08:19 AM
by Shot->I talk to older men all the time. I don't have to be their age to get their POV. They tell me overwhelmingly the same shit: Don't do it!

And I agree w/them --- in my earlier post I said my advice to anyone young person would be to wait. And if u dont like the idea at all - then be single and be happy. Of course those older men prolly know u - which is why they are saying that, lol ...

Sh0t
11-26-2007, 09:35 AM
I hope everybody here is at least browsing the Hedonism thread in the lounge on pink.

It is quite instructive.

Svelt
11-26-2007, 10:08 AM
I hope everybody here is at least browsing the Hedonism thread in the lounge on pink.

It is quite instructive.

Just reviewed it, I agree.

Sh0t
11-26-2007, 10:35 AM
I want to see how those guys were who asked for invites. If it's anybody reading this thread, come clean and say it!

I'll find out from Katrine sooner or later.

So guys, I hope you realize that you are just PL to these girls, even with all that white knight faggotry.

mr_punk
11-26-2007, 11:24 AM
I hope everybody here is at least browsing the Hedonism thread in the lounge on pink.ROTFLMAO...wow, that thread certainly has taken a weird and even more hilarious turn. FBR is pulling a page from jenny's play book. Jenny, instead of castrating the nearest male (FBR, TOO, et al) and shoving his sack down his throat while railing against the patriarchy is being diplomatic to the point of obsequious. TOO is accusing strippers of rudeness and a fundamental lack of class instead of riding to their rescue like Sir Lancelot. ironically, if it wasn't for Bridgette and ND acting like their usual bitchy selves. i would have thought i was either transported to the bizzaro universe or having an acid flashback.

So guys, I hope you realize that you are just PL to these girls, even with all that white knight faggotry.and what if they do realize it? you think they're going to put down their water buckets and pom-poms and give up the cheap interaction just like that? LOL....no matter the circumstances, you couldn't pry their virtual lips off a stripper's ass with a blowtorch.

Jenny
11-26-2007, 11:30 AM
Dude, I keep telling you that I'm a very nice girl. It is not my fault that none of ya'all believe me.

And if polite diplomacy would work down here, I'd be all over it. "Okay, so, mr._punk. I'm sure that you are very enticing to the strippers. BUT, since you're so incredibly attractive and all the strippers are dying to be slapped on the ass before your dances start, is it REALLY hard just to ask them first? I mean, since they are bound to say yes, and everything, you might as well obey the courteous formalities." Yeah, I don't see that being, you know, effective communication.

xdamage
11-26-2007, 11:46 AM
I want to see how those guys were who asked for invites. If it's anybody reading this thread, come clean and say it!

...

So guys, I hope you realize that you are just PL to these girls, even with all that white knight faggotry.

LMAO ... I want to know too. Actually what I really want to know is which guys really thought they were "special" and are now "hurt" that they didn't get an invite.

Lapaholic
11-26-2007, 12:54 PM
^^^ Lol ... Why would anyone want an invite but not want to go ... I find that so bizarre?!?! Ego-stroking indeed!


by Shot-> So guys, I hope you realize that you are just PL to these girls, even with all that white knight faggotry.

U do have a way w/ words... but yeah agreed!

Soooo.... when shall we have a SCjunkiefest? lol ... I think that may be just ---- sad. Unless of course it involved a lot of golf!!!

Sh0t
11-26-2007, 01:32 PM
I think we should have it. I will make the thread in the lounge so that the purple guys can see it.

I was browsing some older threads while i was sitting in a hospital waiting room and I found some hilarious posts by pinkmales saying that being asked to post only on blue was the equiv of asking them to leave SW entirely.

Funny shit.

So many sycophants

Jenny
11-26-2007, 02:10 PM
While I agree that many of the complained of posts belonged here, I don't see how not liking you guys makes them sycophants.

Lapaholic
11-26-2007, 02:22 PM
^^^ I think he is calling any pinkmale a sycophant ...