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Jenny
11-26-2007, 02:24 PM
^^^
Well, that's a weird thing for him to do since he's a pinkmale.
No not every pink male at all.
I'm talking about the ones performing self-castration
Katrine
11-26-2007, 03:25 PM
I'm not giving up the names, so you can all just take your guesses.
Phil-W
11-26-2007, 04:09 PM
And just out of curiosity, what's the percieved benefit from being sycophantic?
I mean a guy could be as sycophantic as he likes, and the practical payback is nil. It's not as if your average dancer is going to say - "love your posts in pink; come to my club and I'll give you half priced dances".
Some people call it being sycophantic - other people might describe it as conforming to the norms in pink.
The forum's primarily for dancers - when in Rome post as the Romans do.
Phil.
xdamage
11-26-2007, 04:22 PM
No not every pink male at all.
I'm talking about the ones performing self-castration
I think he is calling any pinkmale a sycophant ...
He never said "any pink male" which would imply an absolute, "all". That doesn't mean there aren't some or even many. Also, sycophant behavior is something that occurs on a big grey scale from a little to non-stop toadyness.
Remember too, there are two sides to sycophant behavior. The behavior only exists because it works, and it works because many people like to be flattered and agreed with. That however is not entirely flatting to admit to oneself, even though it is human nature to like to be flattered and agreed with. Just saying, if there are sycophants posting on the pink side, it is because they are being reinforced for the behavior.
Not everything requires a bucket of psychobabble.
They want some ass, and just like in person, some men like to be overly supplicating to get it. How hard is that to understand.
Nobody is going to declare every time "I MEAN SOME AND NOT EVERY" before every comment. Please don't pretend your conversation abilities are that dull. It stopped being funny a loooong time ago, if it ever was.
And Jenny, it wasn't about not liking me/us, it was about not being allowed to mingle in the girlie areas. Which was in the comment I made, of course, but oh well.
I also noticed quite a few newer comments about making pink Ladies Only. Glad to see more people are starting to be vocal about that. The hedo thread for sure illustrates some of the insanity that occurs on the stripping general threads I read every now and then.
I'm not surprised some dudes are butt-hurt over not being invited. That, Phil, is what they were expecting. To be invited to the big mingling events that would be mostly ladies-only except for those few DIFFERENT men. Quite the same as what you will see in physical world by "nice guys" and orbiters. Hang around flattering a chick for a few months just waiting for her to suddenly realize, YOU'RE the one she was looking for all this time. Hehe.
I'm probably the youngest poster on this side of the boards, maybe the youngest regular male poster in general, but I'm sure not everybody here is attached, so take note. Don't swing too far to the "dick head" side, that myth is quite silly, but you gotta sack up.
I want a girlfriend
Lapaholic
11-26-2007, 05:37 PM
He never said "any pink male" which would imply an absolute, "all". That doesn't mean there aren't some or even many. Also, sycophant behavior is something that occurs on a big grey scale from a little to non-stop toadyness.
Aahh - I thought Shot meant that sycophantiness was a feature of being a pink male - I stand corrected.... As opposed to being a purple or blue... We need definitions dammit!!! Or i do anyway ... So any male - pink, purple or blue can be a sycophant - Got it...
xdamage
11-26-2007, 05:44 PM
And just out of curiosity, what's the percieved benefit from being sycophantic?
I mean a guy could be as sycophantic as he likes, and the practical payback is nil. It's not as if your average dancer is going to say - "love your posts in pink; come to my club and I'll give you half priced dances".
Some people call it being sycophantic - other people might describe it as conforming to the norms in pink.
The forum's primarily for dancers - when in Rome post as the Romans do.
Phil.
They want some ass, and just like in person, some men like to be overly supplicating to get it. How hard is that to understand. "
Reminds me of a book I was reading... they took these beavers and put them in a room with no river or damn, but still the poor little bastards go through their damn building behaviors. The point in the book is that damn building behavior is wired into a beaver's genes, and they do it even if there is no point, but ...
People do the same thing in their own way. It really doesn't matter that a guy is NEVER going to hook up with a girl on SW, some just can't stop themselves from trying, and trying the only way they know how, by being excessively supplicating. It doesn't work, but as long as they get a nice pat on the head once in while for being a good boy, they will go on trying believing they are making progress.
lestat1
11-26-2007, 06:35 PM
I could've gone without reading that thread; informative though, is right!
This thread would've fit in perfectly on Askmen.com. Only major difference being that the flaming and women-bashing would've been much, MUCH worse over there :bomb:
Just take a gander at this thread:
http://boards.askmen.com/viewtopic.php?t=6442&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
Then read the one by "Detached" about how Americans will have to start drowning baby girls like they do in China :'(
Also remember reading some posts awhile back in another thread by a guy who applauded the Middle East and Far East for how they put women "in their place" by stoning them for speaking out! :crazy:
Askmen.com is kinda gimp. I read it often. It pretends to turn men into players but it really turns them into cupcakes.
So back on topic, let me put this question into the mix:
How many men here are actively dating and persuing women? It seems most of the guys here are the "already old and married" segment.
Another depressing thread about the state of the dating game in the future...
http://boards.askmen.com/viewtopic.php?t=36470
In 10 to 20 years a sex android will be built.
Then we can start pulling a China and drowning girl babies.
We won't do it because we hate women. We will do it out of self defense.
And if you think Im a hater, why don't you try reading some feminist literature?
Hopefully we will keep a few cows on hand for breeding and keeping the population growth but other than that the sex android will be more than enough to keep men happy.
No bitching, porn star sex, no spending the bank account, no filing false charges, no taking your kids away, no taking your house.
Sounds like paradise to me.
he's right there. Once we have sex androids and/or VR porn, women's stock will decline dramatically
Had a brief relationship last year, currently trying to pursue a few women, one at my job and another one at my local gym.
lestat1
11-26-2007, 07:36 PM
How many men here are actively dating and persuing women? It seems most of the guys here are the "already old and married" segment.
I go to bars, glance at the ladies, and play darts. Does that count? :P I was semi-fixed up with someone on Sunday. We'll be hanging out as a group again soon; but no one-on-one time/date yet. We'll see how it goes. That's a rarity though, usually I'm perpetually single.
There is no confusion. Being polite is totally different.
I think people might misunderstand that polite does not mean supplicating, however.
Complimenting somebody is not polite, for example, though people like to use that as an excuse.
Very common mistake too. You often see dialog like:
Wife "Why did you tell that lady she was gorgeous?"
Husband "Oh, I was just being polite."
To me, that's not politeness. That's something else.
I go to bars, glance at the ladies, and play darts. Does that count? :P I was semi-fixed up with someone on Sunday. We'll be hanging out as a group again soon; but no one-on-one time/date yet. We'll see how it goes. That's a rarity though, usually I'm perpetually single.
Stat, this has potential for some fun convers here :) We all know you are the bed dance mileage king in the club }:D but you getting some non-PFP action would be even more interesting. Hope you let us know what happens ;D
FBR
Jenny
11-26-2007, 09:13 PM
And Jenny, it wasn't about not liking me/us, it was about not being allowed to mingle in the girlie areas. Which was in the comment I made, of course, but oh well.
Um... just to make sure...
are you talking about, like, the Ladies Only board, or like, their genitals?
Girlie areas. It sounds ambiguous to me.
I want a girlfriend
Dude - you want a therapist.
Anyway - you don't think that flattery can be polite, or friendly or pleasant without being sycophantic? So saying something nice, but not necessary is sycophantic? I tell my girlfriends - and, for that matter, my guy friends - that they are gorgeous, or handsome, or have beautiful hair today or whatever all the time, but I never thought of myself as a sycophant. And - in case you're wondering - I'm not going to start. If that is your definition of sycophant, I would suggest that you have a faulty understanding of the word and a very limited repertoire of human interaction.
Way off base as usual.
You can flatter in polite ways. You can also flatter in impolite, rude ways.
But the act of telling someone they are beautiful is not in and of itself politeness. It's something else, but it can be done politely.
And just complimenting somebody is not being a sycophant. There is no confusion of the words' meaning here.
Jenny
11-26-2007, 09:38 PM
^^
Okay then. Rather than making us guess with these pearls of wisdom, perhaps you could outline your rationale of what constitutes supplicating/sycophancy, what constitutes politeness, and where compliments fall in?
You say there is no confusion, but you must realize that you deliberately create confusion when you create a dichotomy of "polite" and "supplicating" and then declare that a compliment doesn't fall into polite but "is something else."
Is this some kind of experiment?
I don't have a lot of rules.
I give compliments to people often, but not for any particular effect.
Where as sycophant...
is a servile person who, acting in their own self interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential people, with an undertone that this is at the cost of their own personal pride, principles, and peer respect.
Telling women over and over again they are hot/right/so-smart/etc becuse you hope it gets you "in" is quite another thing altogether.
Lapaholic
11-26-2007, 09:48 PM
Shot u may have to diagram all this at some point u know!!! With charts and pictures - yea a lot of pictures!! lol
mr_punk
11-26-2007, 09:52 PM
And just out of curiosity, what's the percieved benefit from being sycophantic?cheap stripper interaction and perving on pics. you know, the usual.
I mean a guy could be as sycophantic as he likes, and the practical payback is nil. It's not as if your average dancer is going to say - "love your posts in pink; come to my club and I'll give you half priced dances".true, but the fan boy will jump at the chance to meet his favorite stripper from SW at full price dances. after all, these girls do use the board as a place to shill.
Some people call it being sycophantic - other people might describe it as conforming to the norms in pink. The forum's primarily for dancers - when in Rome post as the Romans do.and others use the innocuous phrase "support" to describe those orwellian norms. but hey, if like assuming the role of yes-man/cheerleader. go for it and get me a bottle of gatorade while you're at it, waterboy.
Jenny
11-26-2007, 09:52 PM
Okay then... if your hypothetical husband had said "I was just being nice" instead of "I was just being polite" it would have been fine. Although, it kind of makes me wonder why that particular example was brought in.
Katrine
11-26-2007, 09:54 PM
I want a girlfriend
FTR, I think we'd make a great couple. Wanna come to Hedonism with just us ladies? :P
And of course, Djoser! :P ;D
Jenny
11-26-2007, 09:55 PM
cheap stripper interaction and perving on pics. you know, the usual.
Hmm. What are your thoughts on the guys from this board who mock and call names and then PM me telling me that they like smart girls, just to say "hi" or to ask for photos?
Katrine
11-26-2007, 10:01 PM
he's right there. Once we have sex androids and/or VR porn, women's stock will decline dramatically
Hmmmm....women who work in the sex business, or women using sex to lure men into financial support, perhaps.
Then a third type of being will come into existance. Neither male nor female, neither gay nor straight, neight plebian nor proletariat. Just the rest of us who don't fill any particular role. I guess we'll just produce, make money, and live the lives we want. Or we'll be enslaved. Who knows. Either way, all analogies here are way too obtuse.
Katrine
11-26-2007, 10:02 PM
I was semi-fixed up with someone on Sunday. We'll be hanging out as a group again soon; but no one-on-one time/date yet.
No 'stat!! Get her out alone and stick it in!!!!
mr_punk
11-26-2007, 10:08 PM
Hmm. What are your thoughts on the guys from this board who mock and call names and then PM me telling me that they like smart girls, just to say "hi" or to ask for photos?well, it wasn't me. i rarely use PM. i leave everything i have to say out in the open which is what you should do about this person.
Wasn't me either.
Here is my explanation:
mr_punk
11-26-2007, 10:12 PM
Dude, I keep telling you that I'm a very nice girl. It is not my fault that none of ya'all believe me.oh, you'll be back to your bitchy self in no time and the natural order of the universe will be restored. an one-time anomaly in the fabric of space/time does not make you a nice girl.
And if polite diplomacy would work down here, I'd be all over it. "Okay, so, mr._punk. I'm sure that you are very enticing to the strippers. BUT, since you're so incredibly attractive and all the strippers are dying to be slapped on the ass before your dances start, is it REALLY hard just to ask them first? I mean, since they are bound to say yes, and everything, you might as well obey the courteous formalities." Yeah, I don't see that being, you know, effective communication.of course, it's not effective. you call this a proper ass kissing? next time, try talking a little less about your personal problems with the patrichary slapping your ass without asking and talk more about my awesomeness, especially my hair. nonetheless, i do appreciate the, albeit, poor effort at being obsequious and servile like a proper stripper. so, i'm going to hook you up as a small token of my appreciation. i don't know how you feel about mullets, but i think you will enjoy this (http://www.sethescort.com/).
LOL If Jenny doesn't fuck Sh0t after his excellent video dedication to her, she is just a shriveled up lesbian :)
FBR
Bob_Loblaw
11-26-2007, 10:26 PM
Wasn't me either.
Here is my explanation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVLgAAZw6xo
I lost interest in this thread soon after everyone went sesquipedalian on my ass. Leave it to Sh0t to rope me back in.
aggieed
11-26-2007, 10:38 PM
I lost interest in this thread soon after everyone went sesquipedalian on my ass. Leave it to Sh0t to rope me back in.
Same here. On on another board I would say that post by Sh0t deserves Hall of Fame status automatically.
xdamage
11-27-2007, 12:28 AM
HAHAHAHA .... LMAO here...
and the real beauty of it is, James won't be able to use the quote function to reply.
HAHAHAHAHA
xdamage
11-27-2007, 05:32 AM
Just to add a side note to sh0t's video comments...
Remember this description :
"is a servile person who, acting in their own self interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential people, with an undertone that this is at the cost of their own personal pride, principles, and peer respect."
It is not about what you say, but about a pattern of behavior in which a person basically is manipulative, servile, the "undertone" as mentioned above which ultimately comes down to too much willingness/wantingness to toss aside their own pride and respect.
So for example, the next time a dancer (or any woman in general) insults you, if a man is too willing to do everything to keep her respect, basically no matter what avoid outright just telling her she is being insulting, I'd think of it as sycophantic behavior. Not only is it bad for a man's own pride and self respect, but it is terrible for the woman's because you in effect reinforce bad behavior, so that she comes to believe this is acceptable. Except... it is isn't, or it won't be once she grows up and her looks start to fade. Eventually men will increasingly start telling her the truth, and it happens time and time again that such women grow up to be very bitter, never understanding that they didn't deserve to be treated as well as they have been all along, they have just been lucky in the genetic lottery, but it is not a prize that lasts forever.
Jenny
11-27-2007, 06:49 AM
Wasn't me either.
Here is my explanation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVLgAAZw6xo
Hey. Words are important. If you can't use them properly, nobody can understand you and your mission is doomed.
LOL If Jenny doesn't fuck Sh0t after his excellent video dedication to her, she is just a shriveled up lesbian :)
FBR
Now, FBR. You know I'm flattered. Unfortunately, we've established that a) I'm, at most, a 7 and b) a man. So I'm sure Sh0t's not interested. Does that mean that I'm shriveled up OR a lesbian?
Jenny
11-27-2007, 06:51 AM
oh, you'll be back to your bitchy self in no time and the natural order of the universe will be restored. an one-time anomaly in the fabric of space/time does not make you a nice girl.
Well, like - how many anomalies is it going to take, exactly?
of course, it's not effective. you call this a proper ass kissing? next time, try talking a little less about your personal problems with the patrichary slapping your ass without asking and talk more about my awesomeness, especially my hair. nonetheless, i do appreciate the, albeit, poor effort at being obsequious and servile like a proper stripper. so, i'm going to hook you up as a small token of my appreciation. i don't know how you feel about mullets, but i think you will enjoy this (http://www.sethescort.com/).You know - I did enjoy that. However, not being in Miami, I cannot experiment with the service.
Aren't you looking for some lay-for-pay anyway?
Why don't you just fuck one of these fine stripperweb studs from the pink side. the ones who constantly post about how they hold the key to a kingdom of pleasure for women, etc.
or tell us, and i'm not poking fun, why you are finding it difficult to find male companionship up there in the great white north?
Jenny
11-27-2007, 07:38 AM
I am. However - a) that guy offered "free escort services to women" - not what I want at all. I want a professional. and b) was in Miami - and that is further than I'm willing to travel.
As for stripperweb studs a) there are logistical difficulties with distance and such and b).... like I said - I want a professional. (I talked to a customer about this and when I clarified that I was talking about actually hiring a professional, so I wasn't hinting that he should "apply" he said that there was enough pressure without payment. If you got money involved, he would have severe performance anxiety. He was being funny).
Finally - what? You find me fairly insufferable. It can't be that hard for you to believe that other guys do to. Okay - I'm kidding. Well, a lot of guys probably do, but that's not my problem. I don't lack for "male companionship" (at least not in terms of sex, and I don't plan to be in a relationship ever again). I just wanted the experience of paying someone for sex. I thought it would be fun. And sometimes - in the face of all logic, reason, good taste and good judgment, you still have to do something, just for the sake of the story.
Insufferable is a function of how hot a girl is.
i can appreciate the need for the experience. i sorta have a list of various female stereotypes i want to have sex with. i've done a pretty good job to date, too.
I could talk a bit about the gigolo thing, i've experimented with it and i know some.
A gigolo is like a formal mack, similar to the prostitue-versus-golddigger thing. pretty fun to experiment with.
Most male escorts are using it to get laid.
Though from a dating pointing of view, getting a woman to spend money on you is a great way to get sex and a relationship.
Casual Observer
11-27-2007, 08:19 AM
I just wanted the experience of paying someone for sex. I thought it would be fun. And sometimes - in the face of all logic, reason, good taste and good judgment, you still have to do something, just for the sake of the story.
That's a decidedly male perspective, Jenny; I'm surprised at you. Don't worry--I won't turn you in to the Misandry Authorities.
Maybe there's hope for you yet...
Jenny
11-27-2007, 09:01 AM
I dunno CO - at the risk of sounding cynical, I might suggest that you save your hope for world peace...
Seems pretty gender-neutral to me.
Anyways, I want to have sex with this chick:
Men's Dictionary
Women's Dictionary
Women' Dictionary
Lapaholic
11-27-2007, 12:20 PM
^^^ Ha yea -- but only if she read War & Peace while i was doing it ... Who am i kidding - I would last but a page but that voice and accent is to die for - seriously
"Hello my students "
Svelt
11-27-2007, 02:26 PM
How many men here are actively dating and persuing women? It seems most of the guys here are the "already old and married" segment.
Single, dating and persuing women.
One of the interesting things I find is that girls in their twenties are amazingly easy to date, women in their thirties are not.
Just not being an asshole seems to draw the twenty somethings like flies, but other than a physical relationship they don't really have alot to offer.
Thirty something women are so broken and alienated, sometimes even months later I don't feel they have really ever talked to me at all. They are still talking to some guy from the past that did them wrong.
Forty+ while sometimes simply amazing, I opt out of, I want children.
Lunarobverse
11-27-2007, 03:02 PM
Been difficult to not get into the meta-discussion... But I'll continue resisting.
I'm 42, single. Haven't been out dating in a couple of months. Did the online-meeting thing for a long while, did OK in getting first meetings and sometimes second dates, but nothing beyond that. Haven't ever really done the "go to bars and pickup women" thing.
The last girlfriend I had (as opposed to just dating & pre-sex) I met while walking to a bus stop. Noticed a book she was carrying, asked her about it, we talked for 15-20 minutes, I got her number, we went out a couple of times, then we were "together", then things fell apart. That took about 6 months. Ugh. Then we tried to be friends for a year, year-and-a-half after that. More ugh.
I've read a lot of the dating advice gurus (Mystery, Neil Strauss' book, David DeAngelo's emails and ebooks, some others) but I haven't ever gone out and applied myself to the basic "newbie mission" - go out and talk to women over and over again until it becomes second nature. I keep telling myself to try that and I keep, y'know, not doing it.
I used to think that going to strip clubs and talking to the dancers there was an "intermediate" step, but I'm starting to see it as more of a hindrance. Though it has shown me that I do have the basic mindset to talk to anyone I choose, I just need a certain mental comfort level, or structure. Talking to dancers is easy, just as talking to waitresses or sales clerks, because of the pre-defined roles and expectations of it being a brief conversation and the pre-defined topics. I can stray a little outside of those expectations, but not get too far afield from the basic idea of buying a service.
Online dating leading to real-life meetings, there's a bit of that structure: I can browse profiles and get advanced information on the woman in question, and that helps me figure out the frame for conversation. I can set the agenda, and figure out what parts of myself to present and what parts of her personality to look for.
I need to practice doing that in all sorts of situations. It really is just a matter of practice, I think.
Online dating is a good resource, but get out in the field first. It makes the online thing easier once it turns face-to-face.
Strip clubs will indeed hinder you in normal dating.
Casual Observer
11-27-2007, 09:15 PM
Thirty something women are so broken and alienated, sometimes even months later I don't feel they have really ever talked to me at all. They are still talking to some guy from the past that did them wrong.
I have to admit, this seems pretty accurate.
It's another reason why women in their mid-twenties are so appealing; they're not so embittered and jaded that you can't interact with them.