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MinahSky
11-25-2007, 06:21 PM
I never had many black customers, all of my customers were white, usually older. But the black customers I did have spent MAD amounts of money.

If they are too stupid to realize who brings in the money, they deserve to have a roster of women who will bring the club down. I worked at one "black" club back in Jersey and white men (anywhere) who can't find what they want in a "white" club will spend their money where they can find it.

chocolategirl6
11-28-2007, 10:40 PM
This whole issue pisses me off. I haven't danced in a while and i'm looking to start again. I dread going through this again....... It's crazy, non-ethnic girls can look like shit, and actually make money. Black girls gotta look like were mixed. It's stupid and racist. I'm black and my skin is dark and ALL men love me. I do look exotic. I went to one club I couldn't even get in the door. I called the club from outside to ask about an audition. The mananger was very nice on the phone" Oh, come in honey" Once that bastard saw me he had the nerve to say we're no hiring. Are you fucking kiddin me.......It's so crazy.

I'm glad I have thick skin.

MinahSky
11-28-2007, 11:34 PM
The oddest thing for me isn't the white clubs. Those I have no issues in. It's the black clubs who treat me crazy.

francescadubois
11-29-2007, 07:56 AM
The oddest thing for me isn't the white clubs. Those I have no issues in. It's the black clubs who treat me crazy.

Same here. If you talk a certain way, and "think you cute", you WILL have problems!!

And Minah, I'm mad at you for having the quote from "To Wong Foo" in your siggy. That should have been me!! I love that movie!! ;D

hustlebunny
11-29-2007, 09:24 AM
I'll chime in as a woman of color who works at white upscale clubs and has gone thru this. A few people are right on target in my opinion. If I walk into a club looking JUST black and they already have a handful of black entertainers, I'm not getting hired. If the manager that is hiring doesn't have any affinity to black women, i'm not getting hired. All of the black women at my club are 10's plus in my humble opionion also. She may want to try making the look more exotic (realistic looking colored contacts, long really good undetectable weave, perfect, full make-up, french mani/pedi)...everything has to be extra on point as soon as she walks up to the club. Knowing someone who knows someone in management has worked. And when I walk into a club feeling jitters because of these hiring practices they can smell it. As soon as i step up to the club i'm joking with the door staff and anyone i come in contact with. People tend to stereotype black women as being angry or having bad attitudes so I find that showing from the gate that I am easy to talk to, be around and super comfortable in the environment (ie...audition is merely a formality) around helps a whole bunch. Confidence sells!

The hiring practices are based on the majority of the demand of the higher spending customer base. There are a whole bunch of white, asian and latina women alike torturing thier hair to stay blonde because they make more money that way...it is what it is. Men who want women of color tend to go to "black clubs". 8 times out of 10 even the black men in white clubs prefer white women. It's just the way it is...my two cents. Good Luck to your friend!

Farrah_Holiday
11-29-2007, 01:00 PM
I thought so, but the manager I talked to basically said that they can't go behind other managers' backs and hire girls they've already rejected. And he was so adamant that she must be unattractive because of the one manager not liking her.



Yep, it's all about business and quotas ! Managers don't like stepping on each others toes, even if it's evident that the other person is dead wrong..I hate that shit

Farrah_Holiday
11-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Same here. If you talk a certain way, and "think you cute", you WILL have problems!!



Triple that one..I've had my share of problems..It's not all the time ! But,I've had my battery stolen from my car and was attacked by one chick after work one night !
So, sometimes it's better to NOT work at a club ( mainstream/white/black) then to go throught bullshit.

MinahSky
11-29-2007, 01:15 PM
I will tell anyone this: do NOT deal with anyone but the owner or GM of a club when getting hired.

I used to take my GM his favorite candy bar (it was the smallest thing, but made him very happy, the bars were hard to find). I made sure I worked when I first started with HIM and ONLY HIM and curried his favor (by make a lot of money while he was on shift).

When you have their stamp of approval, no one else will mess with you. HTH!


Same here. If you talk a certain way, and "think you cute", you WILL have problems!!




They can kiss my perfect round rump. I got a job at a black club and was the #1 female in that place. Not only that I got profit sharing on the champagne because my customer would only buy it if I gave the go ahead and he would buy them OUT if I asked...and I didn't drink!!! I ran that place and the MANAGER got fired after trying to mess with me.


And Minah, I'm mad at you for having the quote from "To Wong Foo" in your siggy. That should have been me!! I love that movie!! ;D

Me too! I just watched it the other day and I love that part! It was so sweet what he said...

Optimist
11-29-2007, 01:18 PM
The hiring practices are based on the majority of the demand of the higher spending customer base. There are a whole bunch of white, asian and latina women alike torturing thier hair to stay blonde because they make more money that way...it is what it is. Men who want women of color tend to go to "black clubs". 8 times out of 10 even the black men in white clubs prefer white women. It's just the way it is...my two cents. Good Luck to your friend!

I disagree. I believe the hiring practices are based on the attitudes of the owner and manager. These places that are sooo strict with blacks will let any busted looking white woman work. The higher spending customer base generally isn't into busted chicks!:D Places that are looking for the best have a variety of looks--all except "busted"!

francescadubois
11-29-2007, 01:34 PM
I disagree. I believe the hiring practices are based on the attitudes of the owner and manager. These places that are sooo strict with blacks will let any busted looking white woman work. The higher spending customer base generally isn't into busted chicks!:D Places that are looking for the best have a variety of looks--all except "busted"!

Can I get a witneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeess?! :hyper: :wave: :yes:

I wanted to boldface a particular part, but the whole thing is so damn true I can't decide what to highlight!! I have seen some fucking MONSTERS in clubs that my pretty black girlfriends couldn't get hired in to save their life. I've only been turned away from one place EVER, (Cheerleaders in Philly, which turned out to be a blessing in disguise) and when I auditioned the (white) DJ was like, "Oh you're SO hired!!" Plus there was a FAT FAT FAT blonde on stage looking a hot mess as well as some other mediocre looking girls, and I just KNEW I was in the door.

So, I didn't get hired but my friend told me to go back b/c maybe I slipped through the cracks. When I went to the DJ booth, he said, "Hey! What time are you starting?" I said,"I'm not. I'm auditioning again. They didn't hire me."

He just shook his head knowingly. :no:

MostOutOfLife
11-29-2007, 02:06 PM
After calling ahead to be sure that they were in fact hiring, I drove an hour and half from my home to Charlotte, NC to audition at the Gentlemens Club. Before I even had the chance to open my mouth the door girl informed me that they were not hiring. I asked to speak with the manager, and explained to him about how I had called earlier and was told they were hiring and that I had driven 78 miles to be here only to find that they infact werent hiring... He gives me a hiring freeze (BS BLANKET STATEMENT) scenario but tells me he will call around to the other clubs and see if they will take me (like Im some kind of homeless puppy).
So he makes some calls and ask if they will take a black girl on tonight, only one agrees to take me. One out of thirteen within the MAL entertainment company says yes.
I ended up at the Crazy Horse, its not what I call a top tier club but at least the manager was extremely kind which made the previous ignorant experience a little less detrimental.

... I cannot wait till I have my own club. ::Sighs::

francescadubois
11-29-2007, 02:10 PM
^^^That's a terrible story.

MinahSky
11-29-2007, 02:19 PM
After calling ahead to be sure that they were in fact hiring, I drove an hour and half from my home to Charlotte, NC to audition at the Gentlemens Club. Before I even had the chance to open my mouth the door girl informed me that they were not hiring. I asked to speak with the manager, and explained to him about how I had called earlier and was told they were hiring and that I had driven 78 miles to be here only to find that they infact werent hiring... He gives me a hiring freeze (BS BLANKET STATEMENT) scenario but tells me he will call around to the other clubs and see if they will take me (like Im some kind of homeless puppy).
So he makes some calls and ask if they will take a black girl on tonight, only one agrees to take me. One out of thirteen within the MAL entertainment company says yes.
I ended up at the Crazy Horse, its not what I call a top tier club but at least the manager was extremely kind which made the previous ignorant experience a little less detrimental.

... I cannot wait till I have my own club. ::Sighs::


I would have called my lawyer...

cutey5032
11-29-2007, 03:52 PM
I've worked with very few black women in Indianapolis I even asked one of them one time, "Do you think you make as much money as white girls?" She was basically like, "Honey, please! Are you kidding me?" As in, no. And she wasn't just crying "racism" either--she was being honest. She was classy and sweet and prettier than me.



Its interesting to see how this plays out in different parts of the country. At my club, the black girls fucken BANK. Not just some of them, but like, 99% of them are making a lot more than us whities. Same with the Indian and Middle-Eastern girls.

francescadubois
11-29-2007, 08:26 PM
Its interesting to see how this plays out in different parts of the country. At my club, the black girls fucken BANK. Not just some of them, but like, 99% of them are making a lot more than us whities. Same with the Indian and Middle-Eastern girls.

Tee hee. Yeah, I was makin' stank money at D's. }:D But alot of the "black" girls there are mixed or not AAs at all. For instance, there's one dark girl there, that alot of people think is AA, but she's PuertoRican. :shrug:

Sigh, I miss it sometimes... :'(

Dottie Rebel
11-30-2007, 02:30 AM
After calling ahead to be sure that they were in fact hiring, I drove an hour and half from my home to Charlotte, NC to audition at the Gentlemens Club. Before I even had the chance to open my mouth the door girl informed me that they were not hiring. I asked to speak with the manager, and explained to him about how I had called earlier and was told they were hiring and that I had driven 78 miles to be here only to find that they infact werent hiring... He gives me a hiring freeze (BS BLANKET STATEMENT) scenario but tells me he will call around to the other clubs and see if they will take me (like Im some kind of homeless puppy).
So he makes some calls and ask if they will take a black girl on tonight, only one agrees to take me. One out of thirteen within the MAL entertainment company says yes.
I ended up at the Crazy Horse, its not what I call a top tier club but at least the manager was extremely kind which made the previous ignorant experience a little less detrimental.

... I cannot wait till I have my own club. ::Sighs::

I cannot imagine what this mst feel like. I am so sorry you women have to deal with this. This makes me want to cry.

cinammonkisses
11-30-2007, 11:52 AM
After calling ahead to be sure that they were in fact hiring, I drove an hour and half from my home to Charlotte, NC to audition at the Gentlemens Club. Before I even had the chance to open my mouth the door girl informed me that they were not hiring. I asked to speak with the manager, and explained to him about how I had called earlier and was told they were hiring and that I had driven 78 miles to be here only to find that they infact werent hiring... He gives me a hiring freeze (BS BLANKET STATEMENT) scenario but tells me he will call around to the other clubs and see if they will take me (like Im some kind of homeless puppy).
So he makes some calls and ask if they will take a black girl on tonight, only one agrees to take me. One out of thirteen within the MAL entertainment company says yes.
I ended up at the Crazy Horse, its not what I call a top tier club but at least the manager was extremely kind which made the previous ignorant experience a little less detrimental.

... I cannot wait till I have my own club. ::Sighs::

Crazy story..see this is why we need to stick together. >:( I heard that Gentleman's Club is "like that" I really wish you had did some more SW research before driving that far there. :-[

I travel to Charlotte and work at Uptown. I get treated well by customers there. It took a couple tries, but I did get my foot in the door.

Dottie Rebel
11-30-2007, 01:07 PM
I was in the office of a local club last night and happened to see the stack of rejected applications with pics. Maybe it was coincidence, but there was a black woman on top.

kaiarose
11-30-2007, 01:13 PM
My club owner is the same way. It's such b.s. She does not ALLOW more than one black girl at a time to work at HER club. She freely uses the n word in front of our lone black dancers too. If she doesn't like a dress one of the girls is wearing she'll make a derogatory statement like "That dress looks like a n*****'s dress. " I mean what is this 1950?????

Alaska
11-30-2007, 01:52 PM
I was in the office of a local club last night and happened to see the stack of rejected applications with pics. Maybe it was coincidence, but there was a black woman on top.

It sucks that you get all the way to the polaroid and are still not hired.>:( That's assed out.

MinahSky
11-30-2007, 02:00 PM
My club owner is the same way. It's such b.s. She does not ALLOW more than one black girl at a time to work at HER club. She freely uses the n word in front of our lone black dancers too. If she doesn't like a dress one of the girls is wearing she'll make a derogatory statement like "That dress looks like a n*****'s dress. " I mean what is this 1950?????

There isnt' enough money in the free world to make me put up with that. Maybe you should inform the owner that SHE is black and all our DNA is mostly the same since SHE descended from Eve who was African.

Andygirl
11-30-2007, 02:01 PM
It sucks that you get all the way to the polaroid and are still not hired.>:( That's assed out.

Hell, that was probably my friend's polaroid. Argh. I want to work with her so bad. It sucks being new and not having many work buddies.

Dottie Rebel
11-30-2007, 02:43 PM
I KNOW!!!! I hate it. Then again, I've never had work buddies. Unless i know someone from OTC I'm way to afraid of drama to do more than a friendly "hello" at the beginning of my shift and a "drive safely" at the end. :(

tmlsuperspice
11-30-2007, 05:33 PM
Who's to blame?
The managers who think that they are only catering to what the custys want?
Playboy, Maxim, and Hooters for not displaying a wide variety of women?
The rappers for showing Black women the way they do?
The custys for not demanding a different types of girls?
What's the real issue?
What's the big picture?

zxcire
11-30-2007, 05:35 PM
Who's to blame?
The managers who think that they are only catering to what the custys want?
Playboy, Maxim, and Hooters for not displaying a wide variety of women?
The rappers for showing Black women the way they do?
The custys for not demanding a different types of girls?
What's the real issue?
What's the big picture?

I think it's a combination of all of the above as well as lingering racial hostility and hiring managers' nearsightedness.

MostOutOfLife
12-01-2007, 06:57 PM
Crazy story..see this is why we need to stick together. >:( I heard that Gentleman's Club is "like that" I really wish you had did some more SW research before driving that far there. :-[

I travel to Charlotte and work at Uptown. I get treated well by customers there. It took a couple tries, but I did get my foot in the door.

I actually did a search on SW to see if the were any advisorys about this club and didnt see any mention of this type of treatment. However, today I do a search on an entirely different subject and find a post form 3 years ago mentioning the discrimination of black and latin dancers.

Though despite my aggravation, I did decide to take some action. I called the club today and spoke with the same gentlemen that I spoke with before, and I ask him if I can ask him a direct question and if he would give me an honest reply. He says yes. I ask him if he knew of any reason why the club did not hire black women. He pauses and ask me if I can elaborate more on the question. I agree and proceed to inform him on my experience and that numerous sources had informed me that this club hadnt hired a black entertainer in years, and if they did they were only allowed to work dayshift and were ran out of the club no sooner than they had started.
He explains to me three things:
-That night shift manger did mention that a pretty (at least he said I was pretty)black woman from out of state came by the club, however the night shift manger made it sound like I came by looking for directions to ANOTHER club.
-That the club had been turning away black girls since the newness of Club Oynx had worn off, and with there club being 3 minutes down the road they were getting girls coming in groups of 6 wanting to work.
-The owner of all 13 of the clubs under MAL had this "great idea" to run all his club enitirely different: low class holes in the walls, blue collar clubs, and upscale clubs...(The majority of the WOC are working at the whole in walls.)
He told me that he personally thought all of the clubs needed to be more diverse but he said sadly hes not the owner he just collects a paycheck.
The fact he was kind enough to be honest will me and give me 15 minutes of his time meant a lot, because in reality he couldve just hung up on me.
He explained to me he wasnt hiring on dayshift at the moment but was adament(sp?) that my race had nothing to do it, he just had to many girls on dayshift and many were failing to pay tip out with the holiday season fast approaching. He did tell me to call back in two weeks to see how he money was looking and he would give me a full update on the club and any other info he came across.
I know some might think "if they dont want you in there club then eff them and move on because youre too good for them" but I want to get my foot in the door and show them what they have been missing. I guess I have always had that change the world attitude.
Im doing my part to end racism on booty clap at a time.

laurcon
12-02-2007, 06:55 PM
the black women at my club are gorgeous and definitely bank. tons of old rich white guys love to experience a young beautiful black woman like they never could in "real life". plus like hustlebunny mentioned, the black girls at my club are all VERY friendly and very confident.
this is nyc though. its terrible to read about that post from wisconsin. they are really missing out, black chicks rock!

MulattoKitten
12-04-2007, 11:14 AM
Oo. REALLY? Indy? This sucks.

So I guess I'd have to work at Venus or something equally shitified >.<

Andy I noticed your plug for Mean Maxine...I went in there ONCE and she tried to call my friends fat...Needless to say I don't care what work she does, she's a fucking bitch and a half.

Andygirl
12-04-2007, 11:32 AM
Oo. REALLY? Indy? This sucks.

So I guess I'd have to work at Venus or something equally shitified >.<


My friend actually went in there just to check it out and she said it was hilariously awful. They were begging her to stay because they only had one dancer for nightshift. And when the housemom was telling her about the VIP room she said, "Yeah, I'll come in about halfway through and say 'Stand up, let me see where everything is at!" Lol. She thought that was funny as hell, but said she wouldn't ever work in there.

Tina
12-04-2007, 06:06 PM
I worked in Indy around 2000 at Babes West and did very well there as a woman of color. Since I had worked for the owners at their Memphis club, when I moved up there I basically went through the motions of an audition but was really guaranteed to be hired. The manager then could get grumpy and wanted to give me some day shifts, but once he saw how I worked (the club gets $3 of each dance, of which the manager gets $1) he told me I hustled too much to work days, and I basically chose my own schedule and he was always really cool with me. That club had a very mixed base of dancers BUT some clubs in the area were overtly racist. One in particular claimed they were changing to a classic rock format and wouldn't let the girls play ANY black music. They had black dancers and older dancers working there, and obviously were trying to get rid of them. Brads clubs are racist pieces of shit too, and always have been.

I've seen that classic rock bullshit tried over and over again. It is plain older white male owner bullshit. it doesn't work. The owners think the new format will make a dingy slow club more popular, but trying to bring in more older white males in an attempt to increase business doesn't work. Guys know they will hear a mix of music when going to a strip club. The music isn't the problem. Boring clubs are the problem, and this business has gotten waaaay too boring.

The racism of the customers isn't the problem. It's HOW the clubs are run. As I say over and over again if a club has a GOOD DJ who is jivey, makes the customers feel OBLIGATED to tip ALL the dancers, PUSHES dances, runs dance specials when dances are slow to sell, singles out guys in a funny way who aren't tipping or buying dances, mixes up the girls who like white music between the ones who like black music, and keeps a funny party atmosphere going, guys WILL spread their money around.

All too many clubs just open the doors and operate in automatic pilot and don't try to help us make money and that is when you have problems. I have worked in areas that are really hicky, but with good DJ's and cool management have always made money.

Gotta get rid of so much older white male management in this business. Some white owners are really cool with women of color, but most are idiot bigots who are really conservatives, and prefer young skinny boob job white girls over a mix of dancers.

Optimist
12-04-2007, 10:19 PM
I've seen that classic rock bullshit tried over and over again. It is plain older white male owner bullshit. it doesn't work. The owners think the new format will make a dingy slow club more popular, but trying to bring in more older white males in an attempt to increase business doesn't work. Guys know they will hear a mix of music when going to a strip club. The music isn't the problem. Boring clubs are the problem, and this business has gotten waaaay too boring.



YEEEEEEES! Most customers don't care about race because we're "all pink inside"::). I've worked the roadhouse style clubs with biker dudes, mechanics, etc. Get the jukebox crankin' Zeppelin or Metallica and it's still all good! I'll dance to all rock and still make money IF management does their part. The mangement has to get the guys hyped! Throw some parties and train the staff to look happy! Have the DJ play with the crowd and joke with them.

Alia_of_the_Knife
02-28-2008, 06:13 PM
I know this is an old thread but it's so true. I am a black dancer, I mostly worked in white clubs, and I almost ALWAYS banked. I generally made more than most of the other strippers period. 90%+ of my customers were white and old rich white guys were some of my best customers. (Pretty much anyone over the age of 30, I didn't do so well with the Mickey Mouse crowd, REGARDLESS of color.) The problem isn't the customers (though there can be a few idiots) but it's racist managers. Often, a white girl has to weigh 300 pounds and have no teeth before she is turned away. (Ok, I am exaggerating, but there are huge differences in standards.) There are also white girls who are obviously on drugs, thieves, and who would start fights, would do extras, but because they look so "generic" would have to stab the manager in the face before getting fired.

There is just no reason to only hire 1 (for a small club) to 3 (for a very large club) black girls per shift. Men really do like variety. Everyone does have their preferences but overall, men want to see HOT CHICKS.

I am like cinnamon and also like to work with other black girls so that I don't feel like a token. I think guys can sense the whole token thing and that feels uncomfortable.

Trytheclassics
04-10-2009, 11:43 AM
I went to audition at a club and was really excited when everything seemed to be going well. The manager I auditioned for loved me but said he had to wait for the general manager to come back in town before hiring again, but lukily he was flying in that day. He told me I could wait around for a couple of hours or I could come back. I decided to just wait and was allowed to walk the floor for tips and even went up on stage a few times. One of the customers wanted to do a cc but since I wasn't in the system the manager wouldn't allow it. Once the general manager (who was also black) got to the club I was told they weren't hiring. Confused, I went to get my things from the dj (the other manager had left by this point) and told him what happened. He was very confused as well and actually offered to talk to the manager for me. When I came back from changing the dj told me that apparently the club had too many black girls...

Kellydancer
04-10-2009, 01:46 PM
I noticed this is an old thread, but sadly this is awful. I've worked in Indiana clubs (not Indy, ones close to Chicago) and saw so much racism. I had one manager ask on the phone if I was white (yes sometimes they are that direct) because they refuse to hire "ethnic" girls. This club was full of ignorant racists. It's not always about race though. I am a darker skinned white girl, but appear to be Latina. I've been rejected while they take a fat ugly blonde. For some reason some clubs would rather see an ugly fat blonde than a beautiful ethnic girl.

To be fair, it's often the customer's idea too. I used to run an entertainment agency and hired a beautiful black girl with large breasts. When guys would call to book a party, I'd pump up her. Many guys would still refuse and say they wanted a white girl only. Many times they wanted a blonde only. Sad thing is even the black men wanted white girls. Still, she had many customers and many repeat because she was very good at dancing.

I don't get it since beauty comes in all types.

katerina29
04-11-2009, 04:21 PM
242_fair Which club was that in Toronto? In the clubs that I worked at there I saw less than 10 black dancers total - not many for such a multicultural city. I met a black dancer and she told me the best place she ever danced was in Scandanavia as she was the only black dancer-apparently she was raking it in.

davka
04-11-2009, 04:41 PM
I hear you on that!

Not to threadjack or start up anything but it does go both ways. A white girl couldn't get hired in black only club, we have one in Atlanta, Magic City. I'm not racist and I'm not saying she doesn't deserve to work there but it does go both ways.


It does not go both ways. A few black clubs in Atlanta does not equal the racism in hundreds of clubs all over. How many dancers of color need to tell you about their fucked up experiences for you to say, "wow this is a real problem," and to stop WHITE WASHING it with denial like all people suffer prejudice equally?

davka
04-11-2009, 04:43 PM
I'll chime in as a woman of color who works at white upscale clubs and has gone thru this. A few people are right on target in my opinion. If I walk into a club looking JUST black and they already have a handful of black entertainers, I'm not getting hired. If the manager that is hiring doesn't have any affinity to black women, i'm not getting hired. All of the black women at my club are 10's plus in my humble opionion also. She may want to try making the look more exotic (realistic looking colored contacts, long really good undetectable weave, perfect, full make-up, french mani/pedi)...everything has to be extra on point as soon as she walks up to the club. Knowing someone who knows someone in management has worked. And when I walk into a club feeling jitters because of these hiring practices they can smell it. As soon as i step up to the club i'm joking with the door staff and anyone i come in contact with. People tend to stereotype black women as being angry or having bad attitudes so I find that showing from the gate that I am easy to talk to, be around and super comfortable in the environment (ie...audition is merely a formality) around helps a whole bunch. Confidence sells!

The hiring practices are based on the majority of the demand of the higher spending customer base. There are a whole bunch of white, asian and latina women alike torturing thier hair to stay blonde because they make more money that way...it is what it is. Men who want women of color tend to go to "black clubs". 8 times out of 10 even the black men in white clubs prefer white women. It's just the way it is...my two cents. Good Luck to your friend!


I see lots of girls who look "just white" and nobody asks them to be a perfect or to be more exotic. it's racist. just say it. it isn't this way by nature. it's this way because everyone says "that's just he way it is oh well."

and sometimes the hiring policies are just plainly based on the managers racism.

happygiggles
04-11-2009, 04:48 PM
Amen! Look in the strippers thread and check out melody at the blue flame.

Otoki
04-12-2009, 12:07 AM
It does not go both ways. A few black clubs in Atlanta does not equal the racism in hundreds of clubs all over. How many dancers of color need to tell you about their fucked up experiences for you to say, "wow this is a real problem," and to stop WHITE WASHING it with denial like all people suffer prejudice equally?
Because it makes her feel better? I don't know.

MysteriousMisty
04-14-2009, 08:05 AM
I've been pointing this out quite a bit. But Southern CA is notorious for having racist managers or club owners that refuse to hire black girls. A woman should be hired based on her looks. Not the color of her skin. Racists are far too brainless to know that there are plenty of men who love hot looking women of ALL colors. When I was denied employment at a club in Hollywood (after being told over the phone by the manager that they were hiring), I didn't go back until learning that he had finally been fired. The owner had me audition and hired me immediately. In another case where some trailer trash mgr. refused to hire black girls (he'd hire severely unattractive and overweight white girls but not slim, good looking black girls) my friend got him to let me audition. After that, they wanted me to work there. Sometimes you have to know someone in order to get past dumb ass racist managers. But then again, there are some racist clubs that aren't even worth working at. Here in Vegas, Treasures is known for rarely ever hiring black women.

charlygirl
04-20-2009, 01:58 AM
The first club I worked at would put a little star next to the names of the black girls on the schedule. They could only have like 25% black girls or some shit max per shift. The rest of us could work whenever we wanted, but the black girls had to be quota'd or something. So insanely racist. I argued about it once, and the manager said it was because they didn't want to attract the wrong kinds of customers.


I've heard quite a few managers use that 'not wanting to attract the wrong sort of customers. Here's their reasoning:

The club starts off with an o.k. crowd of custies, a kind of mostly white/few black crowd of dancers and all it took was for one black girl from a hoochie booty club (of course all black girls dance in booty clubs because that's all we can do - their mentality when they set eyes on us) to bring 2 of her 'cousins' with her to get hired.

They get onstage and request some 'shake it like a salt shaker' track and start all doing those booty tricks and get a little too girl-on-girl soft porn for the place.

2 weeks later word gets around that the place is getting 'lively’ and the hood rats start coming. Within a month the club is swarming with cheap ass custies demanding the club plays hip hop f/t who will only drop a $1 if you bend over backwards and break your neck doing butt tricks.

The intimidated white cuties get scared off. They leave and within 2 months the club is now having weekend hot booty shake competitions and DJ Pimp Master from ABC hip hop radio and rapper Lil Gansta are the regulars keeping those hood rats happy. The clubs has to invest in more security because the hood rats don't know how to act respectfully

The only white girls left in there are AA/Latina girls, hardcore white hustlers who can take the heat and girls who can't dance who can only cope with the fierce competition by doing extras.

This is every white club manager’s worst fear. Heard them say it. Seen it happen. So the mentality of some are if you keep the amount of black dancers low you stop this from happening. Hiring groups coming to audition is an even bigger no-no for this same reason.

Either way it's all crap. They're acting like idiots meanwhile custies are asking why there aren't enough girls of color in the white clubs and there are gorgeous black girls outside just waiting to get hired to cater to this need.

I have to say that I have also been to clubs where they had a strict 2 Latinas only policy and no restrictions on black girls and too many clubs where they would only hire one Asian girl because they didn't think they were desirable enough to custies.

tikismall
04-23-2009, 06:46 PM
Oh my goodness! I am so glad I joined this site!

I have had some interesting experiences working as a woman of color and a lot of the time I have been told some odd and inappropriate things as well as been fired for reasons that were totally absurd.
I have also been strong armed into working shitty shifts because I wasn't "bankable". etc,etc.

A friend of mine and I were speaking about these experiences and we both agree that as much as people want to "get over" rascism it still exists regardless of how annoying and painful it is to hear,read and write about.
Sexism and ageism are quite prevelent but that's another forum : ]

People still get treated like crap and I am glad that we are talking about these experiences because it makes it real and I don't feel alone with my fear of auditioning because along with worrying about my body, hair, tattoos, outfit and everything else we tend to become self concious about I also have to consider my race (I am multiracial).

This is a great forum and I really appreciate all the information you ladies are expressing!
Thank you!

tikismall
04-23-2009, 07:02 PM
I see lots of girls who look "just white" and nobody asks them to be a perfect or to be more exotic. it's racist. just say it. it isn't this way by nature. it's this way because everyone says "that's just he way it is oh well."

and sometimes the hiring policies are just plainly based on the managers racism.

Word to that and if I had a penny for managers and their f-ed up politics i'd be somewhat rich. Ha!

davka
04-24-2009, 12:24 PM
If I hear another white asshole say "it goes both ways" i will fucking barf.

please all white people read this:

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/

before you spew your ignorant shit into a thread where women of color and aware white women are mourning for how fucked up it is that beautiful, talented dancers have excrutiating experiences because people are RACIST.

shit.

Winged Dinghy
04-24-2009, 12:42 PM
"Daily effects of white privilege":

http://www.amptoons.com/blog/files/mcintosh.html#daily

Otoki
04-28-2009, 07:13 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0Ti-gkJiXc

cashing in
04-29-2009, 02:59 AM
^^^^
thanks for the above post i can us it for people like this, starting from around 3minuets in or one of hi many followers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nlAuZtGGrg&feature=related

Cuntaluffagus
01-14-2016, 06:56 PM
Indianapolis is where I got my start. ALL THE CLUBS HERE (clubs all over really) HAVE VERY MESSED UP PRACTICES when it comes to hiring women of color, especially if they are darker complected. The Red Garter, my first club, is ran by Cathy and George ( a Greek mother son duo) who have NO ISSUE making ignorant comments/remarks regarding race,ethnicity, or one's cultural background. My "audition" here was not an audition at all. The owners have a cousin, CHRIS, who "loves black women" (more like enjoys taking advantage of them) and is STILL A MANAGER TO THIS DAY. When I applied years ago, he locked the door behind me in his office, turned off the lights and tried to get me to perform oral sex. When I started crying, he made it seem like it was just a test to see if I was "that kind of girl". I did not get on stage or have to dance for a set to get my job. I took it because of course I needed the money and had already been treated badly at other spots who weren't "looking for Black girls at the moment". After I was hired he gave me a long talk about how Black women don't make as much, how we're less valuable in the industry, and thus have to compensate for our undesirable qualities by engaging in conversations for longer than other girls would, by dancing harder, making sure we aren't "ghetto" EVER, and dance to more commercial hits than R/B or hip hop. After working there for two years, I learned that he had done this with three other women of color (all Black). Whenever Black women auditioned, they were turned away, never given call backs, etc....while performers of other backgrounds were being hired EVERYDAY ALL DAY.

Classy Chassy: my first day working here (there were two security guards on staff mind you) I was talking to a customer who kept dropping the "n bomb" in conversation very casually. where in any other setting I would have said something, I'd dealt w these instances enough to know I'd be the "angry black girl" and not the dancer who had her boundaries demolished. so i kindly did a table dance and moved around to another group. the same guy (who keeps asking for my number) walks up to a group of people I'm sitting with to see when I'd be back, he drops the "n bomb" again, a customer says "hey dude NOT COOL" and he turns to me in hopes that I can confirm his meaning behind using the term. I explained to him, that no matter how he used it I took it as disrespect and if I'm going to be sharing my personal bubble with anyone they'd have to respect how I feel about that. I was called onto stage right after saying this, he follows, pulls out a few ones and throws them at my stage while screaming "MONKEY B*TCH!" "UPPITY COON!" , the security guard AND MANAGER both sat at the bar conversing and carrying on as if they didn't hear or see this. I told him to leave my stage, he continued, I began to take off my shoes, THAT WHEN SECURITY DECIDED TO COME OVER . Right after this, another customer yells " YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED HIM OUT A LONG TIME AGO" as I sat on stage wondering why my safety didnt matter enough for anyone to intervene before i considered slapping the jerk.

PTs: Called in to see if they were hiring I was told yes and given a time to come in to audition as well as what manager to ask for depending on the shift. Once I got in and the manager looked at me he told me that they had enough Black girls, but would keep my application on file.

Brass Flamingo: they also have a Black girl quota which is usually no more than 3-4 Black women hired on at a time...

Dancers: is the same as the clubs mentioned above and have literally had ONE BLACK WOMAN work there for YEARS

ravenskyy
03-12-2019, 02:55 PM
Indianapolis is where I got my start. ALL THE CLUBS HERE (clubs all over really) HAVE VERY MESSED UP PRACTICES when it comes to hiring women of color, especially if they are darker complected. The Red Garter, my first club, is ran by Cathy and George ( a Greek mother son duo) who have NO ISSUE making ignorant comments/remarks regarding race,ethnicity, or one's cultural background. My "audition" here was not an audition at all. The owners have a cousin, CHRIS, who "loves black women" (more like enjoys taking advantage of them) and is STILL A MANAGER TO THIS DAY. When I applied years ago, he locked the door behind me in his office, turned off the lights and tried to get me to perform oral sex. When I started crying, he made it seem like it was just a test to see if I was "that kind of girl". I did not get on stage or have to dance for a set to get my job. I took it because of course I needed the money and had already been treated badly at other spots who weren't "looking for Black girls at the moment". After I was hired he gave me a long talk about how Black women don't make as much, how we're less valuable in the industry, and thus have to compensate for our undesirable qualities by engaging in conversations for longer than other girls would, by dancing harder, making sure we aren't "ghetto" EVER, and dance to more commercial hits than R/B or hip hop. After working there for two years, I learned that he had done this with three other women of color (all Black). Whenever Black women auditioned, they were turned away, never given call backs, etc....while performers of other backgrounds were being hired EVERYDAY ALL DAY.

Classy Chassy: my first day working here (there were two security guards on staff mind you) I was talking to a customer who kept dropping the "n bomb" in conversation very casually. where in any other setting I would have said something, I'd dealt w these instances enough to know I'd be the "angry black girl" and not the dancer who had her boundaries demolished. so i kindly did a table dance and moved around to another group. the same guy (who keeps asking for my number) walks up to a group of people I'm sitting with to see when I'd be back, he drops the "n bomb" again, a customer says "hey dude NOT COOL" and he turns to me in hopes that I can confirm his meaning behind using the term. I explained to him, that no matter how he used it I took it as disrespect and if I'm going to be sharing my personal bubble with anyone they'd have to respect how I feel about that. I was called onto stage right after saying this, he follows, pulls out a few ones and throws them at my stage while screaming "MONKEY B*TCH!" "UPPITY COON!" , the security guard AND MANAGER both sat at the bar conversing and carrying on as if they didn't hear or see this. I told him to leave my stage, he continued, I began to take off my shoes, THAT WHEN SECURITY DECIDED TO COME OVER . Right after this, another customer yells " YOU SHOULD HAVE KICKED HIM OUT A LONG TIME AGO" as I sat on stage wondering why my safety didnt matter enough for anyone to intervene before i considered slapping the jerk.

PTs: Called in to see if they were hiring I was told yes and given a time to come in to audition as well as what manager to ask for depending on the shift. Once I got in and the manager looked at me he told me that they had enough Black girls, but would keep my application on file.

Brass Flamingo: they also have a Black girl quota which is usually no more than 3-4 Black women hired on at a time...

Dancers: is the same as the clubs mentioned above and have literally had ONE BLACK WOMAN work there for YEARS

Wish I would have seen this before I agreed to move to this shit hole state. This whole state can go to hell!!!

Midwest-Mistress
11-01-2019, 07:24 PM
After I was hired he gave me a long talk about how Black women don't make as much, how we're less valuable in the industry, and thus have to compensate for our undesirable qualities by engaging in conversations for longer than other girls would, by dancing harder, making sure we aren't "ghetto" EVER, and dance to more commercial hits than R/B or hip hop.

As A black woman born and raised in Indiana... And came back when legal to dance. I can attest to this is the attitude of the customers who I've engaged with. I had to talk to customers twice as long just to get low balled into $1 dance hell, while... My fairer skinned counterparts just waltzed up and snagged $20 couch dances back to back with little to no effort.


Wish I would have seen this before I agreed to move to this shit hole state. This whole state can go to hell!!!

I wish I never left Georgia.. But at the time it was a must for many reasons... Working on moving states in the near future. None of these clubs deserve us. The only club that hired black women in my town was a ghetto hot mess and it's shutting down, and there's only one other "urban" club but it's the size of a match box - plus have to know how to do flips and tricks... I noticed some subtle discriminatory & double standard practices while I was there as well... This whole state can burn in hell, especially since they've implemented this new dumb ass law stating when we take our tops off we have to be 6 ft away from the customer... What the f*cking hell? Who is going to come to a titty bar to get a dance 6 ft away????? This is the most backwards ass state ever - well next to Texas IMO.
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