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AlexxaHex
01-17-2008, 09:51 PM
I don't think anyone has said anything more offensive to me in all my time on Stripperweb.

Jenny
01-17-2008, 09:55 PM
I'm honestly sorry - I don't even know what was so offensive.

Brooklynn06
01-17-2008, 10:03 PM
I've been wondering about something.

Are there women out there who do not feel guilt/shame/bad about having had an abortion? Are there those for whom it was not a hard decision, but merely something you went through?

I had one last year around this time, and was recently talking about it with my shrink. I'm okay. I have no regrets, no second thoughts, nothing. I don't feel bad about it or ashamed that I had it done. It was a decision that was made by both me and my fiance before I had even confirmed the pregnancy. I just don't feel bad about it. I just feel kinda alone, like I should be broken up and ashamed, but it's not there and that makes me less human, somehow.

Anyone else out there?


There's a website Imnotsorry.net. It's got the stories of women who don't feel bad about/after having an abortion.

Dottie Rebel
01-17-2008, 11:50 PM
I'm just not sure what's right about having 7, 10, 20 abortions. Just...why?


I guess the "why" for me is "because she needed them". That's enough for me. I don't think it's right or wrong. I don't think anyone should have to justify their reproductive choices.

Don't get me wrong--I am RIGHT there with you regarding irresponsibility and stupidity. In no way am I sticking up for that shit. But I do not want a) the very people who are stupid enough to get knocked up 20 times to have as many babies nor b) anything to limit the right of any woman, any time to control her body.

AlexxaHex
01-18-2008, 08:31 AM
I would never want to infringe on anyone's right to have an abortion, no matter how many were needed. That's not at all what I'm saying. I'm not suggesting that any action be taken. I'm just saying that these extreme cases do exist, and we can't discount them as "rumor". That's all.

I'm not some asshole standing outside the abortion clinic with a picture of a dead baby or something. And it is truly insulting to think that some people here might assume that I'm that way. But people are stupid, and some abuse systems. People abuse the welfare system too, but it should still exist.
I respect human life, and I am an advocate for children, but that also means that I support abortion when the time comes and a woman needs to have one because that child who is aborted may have a terrible life if the mother chooses to keep it. I also think some women need to be educated and use common fucking sense so they are not getting abortions over and over when it could have been prevented in the first place.
Everyone has different opinions on this and we could get into a discussion about it all day long. But believe me, I'm not coming here with some kind of right wing agenda.

Jenny
01-18-2008, 08:56 AM
Okay, Alexxa. I realize it can be frustrating if you feel that people misunderstand your position; I'm not sure you can legitimately characterize it as "offensive" because I've pointed out the obvious and common role that such stories play in the abortion "equation" and asked you how your position differs.

I think again too, that we see this very differently. I don't regard multiple abortions as "abuse of a system" because I don't regard access to abortion a "system". I view it as an optional, therapeutic medical procedure; not a "system" subject to individual abuse a la social welfare. As well, I found my support for choice based on the life, health and autonomy of the woman; not the life that the child might have if it was brought to term.

I hear what you are saying about education, and education is never (or at least very rarely) a bad thing. I think my point is that the "some women" you are referring to are pretty insignificant statistically. I believe that the focus on and the inflation of this ridiculously small group is there for a reason.

AlexxaHex
01-18-2008, 09:02 AM
I'm not inflating statistics or pointing fingers or saying that women don't have rights either.
And yes, your accusation was offensive. I don't see why that's so hard to understand. The end.
I'm done with this thread.

Andygirl
01-18-2008, 10:17 AM
I knew a dancer who had over 10 abortions. It does happen, but probably not as frequently as people make it seem.

britt244
01-18-2008, 11:24 AM
whooooooooooa.

all i have to say is that the second a woman has to explain "why" she's getting her 5th abortion is the second that you need to explain "why" in everything you do. that's just not right. the welfare system and abortions are totally not something you can compare, by the way. i'd like to, however, liken it to going to rehab. say i go to rehab 6 times. am i "abusing the system"? then? do i not deserve help just because it didn't work the first time? (and yes, i know that's different too, but i'm trying to think of a good example) or if i go to the dentist and i get c avities filled, but i need to get more the next time. shame on me for not doing a better job of taking care of my teeth. i cant have fillings (for a health related example).

britt244
01-18-2008, 11:26 AM
I wish everyone would just follow the simple maxim "Don't like abortion? Don't have one." I am in agreement that if you defend the right to choose, you defend the right to choose every time.

oh, and that i couldnt agree with this statement more.

if i can do it once (by the way, no, i have never been pregnant or had an abortion), i can do it as many times as i wish. that is what it means to have the right the choose. not that i have the right to choose once, twice, or any other limitation.

but, would i be wrong to say i agree with susan's statement if i don't believe in having an abortion any old time you feel like it? i'm against partial-birth abortions. so if that makes me a hypocrite, at least i'm the one saying it before anyone else has the chance to.

hardkandee
01-19-2008, 10:03 AM
Interesting note: The front page of the Wall Street Journal yesterday said that abortions are down 25% from the peak in 1990.

MixedBabe88
01-19-2008, 02:09 PM
I've never had an abortion, so I'm obviously can't say how people should feel.
I took a couple ethics classes and from that I aquired the thinking that it should never just be an easy, quick, decision that is regarded as the best. I do think time and thinking should be put in. Something like that is usually going to affect a person whether or not they think it will.