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firekitten19
12-06-2007, 12:29 AM
Well for me, my tats have represented an important time in mylife. It takes me anywhere between 2-4 years before I get another one. Part the reason why I have tats is because I was a sailor. Yes I have Chinese tats, but I actually study Chinese and Japanese, so I know exactly what is said on my body. Everybody is different when it comes to tats. i have friends that thought about there tat for at least a year. Then I have had friends that wanted the tribal tat on theire lower back (tramp stamp) just because they saw another girl with the same tat two weeks ago. I personaly see my body (especially my back) as a canvas.

RebeccaSolidarity
12-06-2007, 03:05 AM
hmmm. i have quite a bit of ink and plan on getting more. full three-quarter sleeves at one point, black vines from shoulder to mid-forearm basically. some backwork, similar designs on the legs. for one thing i lilke how it changes the visual contours of my body. but i am not going to get into it because i - and most tattooed people - have had these conversations before. all i will say is this: the only real difference between someone who is tattooed and someone who is not tattooed is this ... the tattooed person does not care if you are not tattooed.

Circe
12-06-2007, 04:16 AM
If you watch Miami Ink episodes, they explain that for a lot of people, they get a tattoo as a permanent reminder of something that has great meaning to them-often a loved one who has passed. You know, because very few things are as "forever" as ink.

Or, just that people like art. And they like it enough to wear it on their bodies. Yeah, it's permanent...but I just see it as another way to style oneself. Makeup, piercings, jewellery, clothes...tattoos.

Though you claim you don't mean to offend, I'd be careful about comparing tattoos to amputation of a limb and chalking up getting one to "herd mentality" I doubt anyone's going to care much on a message board, but that would be seriously rude to state IRL.

OdysseusNJ
12-06-2007, 08:27 AM
It's not just the last 10 years...Body mod has been popular since the 'Punk' era began. I know plenty of women in their upper 40s/50s with faded tattoos they look upon fondly.

Perhaps you just didn't associate with that particular crowd?

\m/ +1, rock on! \m/


There is a herd mentality/fad at work here.


but would you have gotten them if they were NOT a trend? Like, if so many other people in the world weren't trying to express themselves through body art, would you still?

I have seen many of those types of tattoos, and I can't help but think those were influenced by other people's body art. Like "Oh, that person over there has their coat of arms tatted....how cool would it be if *I* had something like that?" or "She has her husband and kids names on her. Thats pretty cool, *I'm* gonna do that to express my love too"


Almost everything people do is socially influenced to *some* extent. What TV you watch, what clothes you wear, what you eat, where you hang out, what books you read, whether you smoke, whether you exercise. Whether and what you get tattooed. We live in a society, among other people, we have to interact and we have an influence and are in turn influenced. There is nothing wrong with this. This is part of life, deal with it. If you're in a band, or in the military, or a sailor, or a punk grrl, or whatever, you're going to be more likely to be/get inked. So?

To me a reasonable goal is being influenced in these things in such a way that what you do doesn't seem cliche or terribly derivative, or boring. In a way that is interesting. In a way that has your own little spin. Even Nietzsche, that eternal hipster, said "'Giving Style' to one's character - a great and rare art!". In this case I'd say that this, along with aesthetic value, makes the difference between good and bad ink. Yeah, tramp stamps can be kind of herdlike (although I still find a lot of them hot) but so is a lot of what's on the best seller lists, what's in the theaters, or spinning at the gym. So what? Either ignore it or get good tats, read good books, watch good movies, get in good shape.




because I LIKE THEM.


Also +1!



I've never been a fan of strippers with ink, but then again, my ATF was heavily inked (and pierced, too), so it's really about how it looks on that person and how well it was done.


Style baby! Agreed that bad ink can be gross.



Though you claim you don't mean to offend, I'd be careful about comparing tattoos to amputation of a limb

Seriously, .

OdysseusNJ
12-06-2007, 08:44 AM
If they're so great ; so attractive and if the wearer is so proud why not put one on your face ?


C'mon. This is the argument of a six year old. "If you like xxxx so much, why don't you just be an xxxxx????"

I don't get tats on my face because then I'd probably lose/do poorly at my job, I'd greatly reduce the number of women who might date me, I'd get all kinds of weird and unpleasant reactions from strangers, and I'd look a little weird to myself.

I understand why people don't like tats and there have been some quite reasonable points about why but can we lose the garbage reasoning in this thread (sometimes from the same folks making otherwise good points).

Accept my apologies if that was tongue in cheek and I missed the whole internet sarcasm thing.

SundayMorning
12-06-2007, 09:22 AM
Odysseus, can I hump your brain?

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 10:07 AM
C'mon. This is the argument of a six year old. "If you like xxxx so much, why don't you just be an xxxxx????"

I don't get tats on my face because then I'd probably lose/do poorly at my job, I'd greatly reduce the number of women who might date me, I'd get all kinds of weird and unpleasant reactions from strangers, and I'd look a little weird to myself.

I understand why people don't like tats and there have been some quite reasonable points about why but can we lose the garbage reasoning in this thread (sometimes from the same folks making otherwise good points).

Accept my apologies if that was tongue in cheek and I missed the whole internet sarcasm thing.

Thanks for partially proving my point. You don't want one on your face because you'd "lose/do poorly at (your) job " and greatly reduce your social opportunities and you're afraid to look weird to others ????? Hmmmm. This seems to fly in the face of the whole "I don't give a fuck what others think" mentality that is at least partially behind getting tatted up in the first place.
If it's not attractive on your forehead why does putting one on your arm make it more appealing ?

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 10:19 AM
I remember finishing basic training almost twenty years ago and on the bus to technical school, the one thing that everyone in the flight wanted to do (aside from the obvious) was get a tattoo. Now, I grew up in a rural white trash town where there were more tattoo parlors than there were grocery stores or doctors' offices, so the concept was hardly foreign to me, but nevertheless I just never saw the appeal. So when my fellow airmen were getting panthers and eagles and Stars and Bars drawn all over their bodies, I was pretty nonplussed and was the only one in my training squad that didn't have one. Still don't all these years later.

All that said, most people's issue with tattoos comes from the prevalence of truly bad art, badly done. I mean, really; how many truly excellent tattoos do you really see on a regular basis compared to the number of bad ink jobs out there? Even if you just look at what there is inside of SCs, the level of mediocre and poor ink is simply galling.

I've never been a fan of strippers with ink, but then again, my ATF was heavily inked (and pierced, too), so it's really about how it looks on that person and how well it was done.

Two cents.
I agree 100 % about all the bad artwork out there.
I can understand the individuality thing but then why do I see the same "tribals" over and over again ?

Not too long ago I was having lunch with a Chinese client who spat up his soup; laughing and shaking his head. I asked him what was so funny and he said: " I just saw another American with a Chinese tattoo. It's a Chinese obscenity!. And it's not the first time I've seen that. If the characters are drawn one way it means something innocuos or positive but a little change here and there and it's an insult. Either they're going to amateurs who don't know what they're doing or somebody in Chinatown is having a big laugh at the expense of a "white eye".

Scarlett.Oz
12-06-2007, 10:30 AM
Uck, can we pleease lose the generalisations here.

umf
12-06-2007, 10:37 AM
Thanks for partially proving my point. You don't want one on your face because you'd "lose/do poorly at (your) job " and greatly reduce your social opportunities and you're afraid to look weird to others ????? Hmmmm. This seems to fly in the face of the whole "I don't give a fuck what others think" mentality that is at least partially behind getting tatted up in the first place.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to suggest that the only acceptable private behavior is that which is also publicly acceptable. Why should one not have different standards for public and private behaviors?

Also, you are assuming to know what causes people to get tattoos. For one, I do give a fuck or two about how people view me. I know that some are judgemental douches and would rather not discuss my choices with them. Yet, I chose to get a tat for various reasons, curiosity and private self-expression among them.


If it's not attractive on your forehead why does putting one on your arm make it more appealing ?
I won't even touch this argument.

teeth_of_the_hydra
12-06-2007, 10:42 AM
If it's not attractive on your forehead why does putting one on your arm make it more appealing ?

Instead of wearing your Rolex on your wrist, why not wear it as a necklace? It will function just the same and it will still be visible.

Instead of reading a book from the beginning, why don't you read it backwards? The words are still the same.

Instead of getting a pacemaker surgically implanted in your heart, why not just swallow it? It's going into your body anyway.


Dude, context and placement is important. Quit being all contrary and tautological by pretending like you don't know that. ::)

xdamage
12-06-2007, 11:09 AM
C'mon. This is the argument of a six year old. "If you like xxxx so much, why don't you just be an xxxxx????"

I agree.

When someone says "I don't care what others think", it is a relative statement, but I honestly have not met anyone that means that in some absolute simplistic way like NOT AT ALL. They just mean that, to a certain abnormal degree, as compared with the norm, they don't care as much.

Still, I think we'd have to have our heads in the sand not to observe that people are swayed by social popularity. I mean people use the argument all the time that human behavior is affected by society and social beliefs. Unfortunately it is very easy for individuals to pick and choose that belief such that when they like their choices they take credit for it, and when they don't, blaim it on society's influences.

Let's face it. Tattoos on the face are not considered as socially popular as tattoos on other parts of the body. Does it affect some people's opinions about where to place them? I'm pretty sure in general it does. Although I've seen people with facial tattoos, they are still, relatively speaking, rare in our culture.

The thing is we really don't know what a lot of people with tattoos today would have done if born into a culture or time where they had been brought up to see tattoos as hideous, ugly, low-life, etc. All we know is that people in other cultures and times where society views it more negatively, less people do it. Trends change though, and it is even very possible that the tattoo trend will sway back. That it will become so common that not having one is viewed as "being unique" and becomes the more popular social trend.

Scarlett.Oz
12-06-2007, 11:17 AM
Teeth, you are cool. That is all.

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 11:46 AM
Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to suggest that the only acceptable private behavior is that which is also publicly acceptable. Why should one not have different standards for public and private behaviors?

Also, you are assuming to know what causes people to get tattoos. For one, I do give a fuck or two about how people view me. I know that some are judgemental douches and would rather not discuss my choices with them. Yet, I chose to get a tat for various reasons, curiosity and private self-expression among them.


I won't even touch this argument.

I understand the "right thing in the wrong place " argument but NOT from those who sing the praises of tattoos. Who claim that they are "beautiful" and "meaningful" and a "personal statement". O.K. Fine. Why hold back ? Why not put it on your forehead and really show it off ? Maybe, just maybe it's because they're not all that proud. Maybe they want to be able to cover it up.
Maybe it's NOT so acceptable in certain quarters.

TigersMilk
12-06-2007, 12:00 PM
O.K. Fine. Why hold back ? Why not put it on your forehead and really show it off ? Maybe, just maybe it's because they're not all that proud. Maybe they want to be able to cover it up.



What is this forehead argument? What so because I choose not to put my tat on my pretty face that says that I'm not being proud of my tat? You need to pick a different argument dude.

People are gay and they don't need to wear richard simmons workout wear dancing to show tunes sporting a rainbow headband. People do not need to shout to the world everywhere they go to take pride in something. They can do it personally and thats just fine.

teeth_of_the_hydra
12-06-2007, 12:03 PM
In response to Mr. Stoner's post, #64:

You're overlooking the aesthetic element of a tattoo. Pride (or lack thereof) is, like, the tertiary issue. Let me illustrate by example.

I suppose I'm proud to have stripes on my butt. I'm not ashamed, anyway. I'm mostly just used to it by now. Yet, I would indeed be mortified if I woke up and I had stripes on my face... but not because I am secretly ashamed of my butt. Mostly because they'd look stupid on my face. Like how you'd be maybe a leeeeeetle embarassed if you were forced to go to work wearing your underwear outside of your clothes.

Aesthetics, bro. Add that to the list of "duh" aspects that I believe you're stubbornly overlooking.

AlexxaHex
12-06-2007, 12:05 PM
Ahhh the "all or nothing" argument. Laaame.

xdamage
12-06-2007, 12:12 PM
Ahhh the "all or nothing" argument. Laaame.

Hehe - YEP!

DSUsb19
12-06-2007, 12:17 PM
I understand the "right thing in the wrong place " argument but NOT from those who sing the praises of tattoos. Who claim that they are "beautiful" and "meaningful" and a "personal statement". O.K. Fine. Why hold back ? Why not put it on your forehead and really show it off ? Maybe, just maybe it's because they're not all that proud. Maybe they want to be able to cover it up.
Maybe it's NOT so acceptable in certain quarters.

Ok, love and passion are beautiful, meaningful personal statements. You normally go fuck out on a busy city sidewalk? Theft and drug use are personal statements for some, you don't see many of them flaunting their addictions to everyone they meet. Your argument holds no water. The wearer might night want everyone they meet to know they're tattooed except for themselves, and those they choose to tell and/or show. When you buy or get anything, it's usually something you want because it's pleasing and attractive to your eye. Same with tattooed people. It's pleasing and appealing to us, therefore we get what we want where we want. Personally, the cute cat paw prints on my foot would look strange wrapped around my cheek. My tribal sea turtle that I got commemorating my trip to Hawai'i wouldn't quite fit on my finger. Personal choice and logical thought come into play. Just because it's not your logic doesn't mean anything to other people.

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 12:42 PM
In response to Mr. Stoner's post, #64:

You're overlooking the aesthetic element of a tattoo. Pride (or lack thereof) is, like, the tertiary issue. Let me illustrate by example.

I suppose I'm proud to have stripes on my butt. I'm not ashamed, anyway. I'm mostly just used to it by now. Yet, I would indeed be mortified if I woke up and I had stripes on my face... but not because I am secretly ashamed of my butt. Mostly because they'd look stupid on my face. Like how you'd be maybe a leeeeeetle embarassed if you were forced to go to work wearing your underwear outside of your clothes.

Aesthetics, bro. Add that to the list of "duh" aspects that I believe you're stubbornly overlooking.

Please don't throw "duhs" at me. My argument is a lot more simple than some choose to recognize. All I'm saying is that if ; IF; one truly thinks that a tattoo is aesthetically pleasing and/or has artistic merit then why not show it off to the utmost possible ? Why hide it at all ?

Are there some tats that are meant to be private and personal ? I'm sure there are and I'm not talking about those. I'm talking to the "artistes" ; the "my body is a canvas" folks who don't care if some think their bodies look like graffiti on a wall.

Btw, no one is ever forced to get a tatoo afaik so your undie argument doesn't wash. But the current style in some circles is to show off ones shorts. I CHOOSE not to join in.

Tats used to be limited to bikers, sailors and truck drivers. Then they became a gang thang. Now they're pretty much mainstream. Among dancers they are certainly very common which is why it is so refreshing to see a pretty dancer without one. To me, the real statement of individuality these days is NOT to have one.

Circe
12-06-2007, 01:09 PM
Some people do have face tattoos. But think about it. These people are using their body as a canvas. Your forehead is a pretty small canvas, compared to an arm or a back or a leg.

And it makes it harder to look at your own tattoo. But tattoos are not anti-conformist...they are a mode of expression that may be used in a more conformist way(standard tribal tat because everyone else has them) or a more unique way. But so is like...almost everything?

I don't think any reasonable person would think of themselves at this point as a pioneer for having a tattoo.

umf
12-06-2007, 01:18 PM
<snip>
Why hide it at all ?
<snip>
I CHOOSE not to join in.
<snip>


There, you've answered your own question. Personal choice, i.e., I like it on my ass, but not my face.

Scarlett.Oz
12-06-2007, 01:18 PM
Some people with blonde hair are stupid, some stupid people have blonde hair, does this also mean that all blonde people are stupid?

I like art, I have a few painting in my home and I love them very much but I am not compelled to strap them to the outside of my car and show the world? Does this mean they are worthless?

Blade
12-06-2007, 01:30 PM
I understand the "right thing in the wrong place " argument but NOT from those who sing the praises of tattoos. Who claim that they are "beautiful" and "meaningful" and a "personal statement". O.K. Fine. Why hold back ? Why not put it on your forehead and really show it off ? Maybe, just maybe it's because they're not all that proud. Maybe they want to be able to cover it up.
Maybe it's NOT so acceptable in certain quarters.
As I've stated before, If my wife would allow it my face would be tatted. If I could afford it, my entire body would be tatted.My tats are visible in a short sleeved shirt, or a tank top. I'm VERY damn proud of what they are and what they represent.
I have a cock piercing too, shall I flaunt that as well? I have no problem showing my tats or piercings, however society has decided that we have to wear clothes in public.
Some personal statements aren't always meant to be seen by others. I write poetry and rarely show it off, does that mean I'm not proud of it? No it means that I did it for me, and I alone shall reap the benefits of it.

Mr Hyde
12-06-2007, 01:44 PM
Blade, you're one of the ones that I actually believe would be tatted even if it weren't a fad.

I wonder if Chinese people have English words tattooed on their bodies? Maybe I'll move to China, learn to do tats, and put curse words above their cooters and tell them it means "Tranquility."

cutey5032
12-06-2007, 01:55 PM
^^Hahaha, this is off-topic, but what the hell. In Dave Barry's book "Dave Barry Does Japan" he said that he saw Japanese people wearing shirts with English words on them, but the English words made no sense (one shirt said "Circuit Beaver").

umf
12-06-2007, 02:17 PM
^^Hahaha, this is off-topic, but what the hell. In Dave Barry's book "Dave Barry Does Japan" he said that he saw Japanese people wearing shirts with English words on them, but the English words made no sense (one shirt said "Circuit Beaver").

Speaking of which, is an excellent source of entertainment.

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 02:20 PM
Blade, you're one of the ones that I actually believe would be tatted even if it weren't a fad.

I wonder if Chinese people have English words tattooed on their bodies? Maybe I'll move to China, learn to do tats, and put curse words above their cooters and tell them it means "Tranquility."

I've been told by more than one person who can read Chinese that more than one bearer might be surprised to learn what their tattoo REALLY says. If it was just one I'd chalk it up to an "urban legend" kind of thing. The other side of the coin is that only Chinese readers would know for sure so I guess the bearer can say it means whatever they want it to.

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 02:24 PM
There, you've answered your own question. Personal choice, i.e., I like it on my ass, but not my face.

I'm NOT arguing about personal choice. I'm arguing aesthetics. In a nutshell my philosophy about OTHER people getting tattoos is just like my feelings about toupees : If you MUST get one; get a good one.

umf
12-06-2007, 02:34 PM
I'm NOT arguing about personal choice. I'm arguing aesthetics. In a nutshell my philosophy about OTHER people getting tattoos is just like my feelings about toupees : If you MUST get one; get a good one.
I think I understand what you are trying to say. My contention is that aesthetics also fall under the category of personal preference. One man's tramp stamp is another's badge of honor.

Edit: Changed "personal choice" to "personal preference."

teeth_of_the_hydra
12-06-2007, 02:35 PM
Please don't throw "duhs" at me. My argument is a lot more simple than some choose to recognize. All I'm saying is that if ; IF; one truly thinks that a tattoo is aesthetically pleasing and/or has artistic merit then why not show it off to the utmost possible ? Why hide it at all ?


It's difficult not to resort to "duhs" when your main tactic is redundancy. You've talked about putting tattoos on foreheads like 3 times in 1 page.

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 02:52 PM
It's difficult not to resort to "duhs" when your main tactic is redundancy. You've talked about putting tattoos on foreheads like 3 times in 1 page.

Yes, but I tried to avoid being boring. Sorry if I didn't succeed.

Eric Stoner
12-06-2007, 02:58 PM
I think I understand what you are trying to say. My contention is that aesthetics also fall under the category of personal preference. One man's tramp stamp is another's badge of honor.

Edit: Changed "personal choice" to "personal preference."

There are objective and subjective aesthetics. Under "subjective" any kind of art or artistic expression can be beautiful.Obviously it is dependent on the eye of the beholder.I've seen a few tattoos that I will admit were very well done imo. Where the tattooist ( O.K. the tattoo "artist") obviously had genuine talent. I've also seen a few that were genuinely cute ( mho again) and actually added something. For me these are exceptions.

DSUsb19
12-06-2007, 04:23 PM
I'm NOT arguing about personal choice. I'm arguing aesthetics. In a nutshell my philosophy about OTHER people getting tattoos is just like my feelings about toupees : If you MUST get one; get a good one.

Yes, Massa. And by the way, can you decide for me if the color car I'm about to get is a good one, and if the dinner I'm about to eat is good, and my choice of footwear for the day is good, too? I mean, I wouldn't want to decide on MY OWN what's good, you know? That's obviously for others to decide for me. ::)

OdysseusNJ
12-06-2007, 07:34 PM
I'm NOT arguing about personal choice. I'm arguing aesthetics.


There are objective and subjective aesthetics.


Please don't throw "duhs" at me. My argument is a lot more simple than some choose to recognize. All I'm saying is that if ; IF; one truly thinks that a tattoo is aesthetically pleasing and/or has artistic merit then why not show it off to the utmost possible ? Why hide it at all ?


You don't know much about aesthetics if you think setting, placement and context don't matter. I was really hoping that was tongue in cheek. Ugh. Time to go back to a kitten thread.

Eric Stoner
12-07-2007, 10:35 AM
Yes, Massa. And by the way, can you decide for me if the color car I'm about to get is a good one, and if the dinner I'm about to eat is good, and my choice of footwear for the day is good, too? I mean, I wouldn't want to decide on MY OWN what's good, you know? That's obviously for others to decide for me. ::)

It's only an OPINION. Who said anything about deciding for you ? If you want a bunch of cheap looking, poorly done "prison style" ink on your body- go ahead. Who's stopping you ?

Eric Stoner
12-07-2007, 10:39 AM
You don't know much about aesthetics if you think setting, placement and context don't matter. I was really hoping that was tongue in cheek. Ugh. Time to go back to a kitten thread.

Who said they didn't matter ?

Scarlett.Oz
12-07-2007, 12:05 PM
I think you implied that pretty strongly with the whole "why don't you get a tattoo on your forehead" argument.

Do you even read the other posts before writing the same thing again, and again?

Eric Stoner
12-07-2007, 12:31 PM
I think you implied that pretty strongly with the whole "why don't you get a tattoo on your forehead" argument.

Do you even read the other posts before writing the same thing again, and again?

Afaic if setting, placement and context REALLY mattered as far as displaying "art" is concerned then it wouldn't be placed on a human body.

TigersMilk
12-07-2007, 12:37 PM
You just will not get it will you?

Scarlett.Oz
12-07-2007, 01:10 PM
Nope, obviously not.
And he probably doesn't get abstract or conceptual art either.
Or girls with short hair/boys with long hair.
Or rock n roll.

Hey, I've got an idea, why don't you wear all your personal religious and political beliefs, favourite artwork, tributes to deceased relatives/friends and anything else you feel very strongly about on a sign and attach it to your head?

RebeccaSolidarity
12-07-2007, 09:19 PM
"Thanks for partially proving my point. You don't want one on your face because you'd "lose/do poorly at (your) job " and greatly reduce your social opportunities and you're afraid to look weird to others ????? Hmmmm. This seems to fly in the face of the whole "I don't give a fuck what others think" mentality that is at least partially behind getting tatted up in the first place. If it's not attractive on your forehead why does putting one on your arm make it more appealing ?"

Ummm.

Dude?

Art is all about placement. Perhaps someone with tattoos only wants one arm tattooed because that is the aesthetic they are going for. Perhaps their face is just not part of their body they want to decorate. And for the record, once my arms and lower legs are sleeved I am seriously considering facial tattoos. I just need to settle on a design that accentuates my face, as well as find an artist who is (1) willing to do the tattoos, which is hard as hell to find, and (2) find an artist who can do symmetry well.

LilyLove
12-08-2007, 05:26 AM
When I get my tattoo, it will be placed exactly where I have been dreaming of placing it for years. It will be on my inner wrist.

Placement isn't just about aesthetics. Different body parts have different meanings to people. My inner wrist has a very personal meaning to me. My forehead does not. Not that my forehead isn't awesome, it just isn't symbolically poignant for me.

Eric Stoner
12-10-2007, 08:16 AM
"Thanks for partially proving my point. You don't want one on your face because you'd "lose/do poorly at (your) job " and greatly reduce your social opportunities and you're afraid to look weird to others ????? Hmmmm. This seems to fly in the face of the whole "I don't give a fuck what others think" mentality that is at least partially behind getting tatted up in the first place. If it's not attractive on your forehead why does putting one on your arm make it more appealing ?"

Ummm.

Dude?

Art is all about placement. Perhaps someone with tattoos only wants one arm tattooed because that is the aesthetic they are going for. Perhaps their face is just not part of their body they want to decorate. And for the record, once my arms and lower legs are sleeved I am seriously considering facial tattoos. I just need to settle on a design that accentuates my face, as well as find an artist who is (1) willing to do the tattoos, which is hard as hell to find, and (2) find an artist who can do symmetry well.


Knock yourself out.

Btw- how do you tat-fans make sure there are no toxins in the ink ? Many tat-inks contain LEAD; MERCURY and CADMIUM among other things you probably wouldn't want to absorb. The FDA is looking into it. Seriously.
There are people with tats who can't have MRI's because the ink contains iron and throws off the whole machine.
I haven't even touched the "dirty needle" issue or how much fun tattoo removal can be.
Happy trails.

stellaforstars
12-10-2007, 08:18 AM
Why do you care?

You're not going to magically change our minds...

DJ Machismo
12-10-2007, 08:21 AM
Knock yourself out.

Btw- how do you tat-fans make sure there are no toxins in the ink ? Many tat-inks contain LEAD; MERCURY and CADMIUM among other things you probably wouldn't want to absorb. The FDA is looking into it. Seriously.
There are people with tats who can't have MRI's because the ink contains iron and throws off the whole machine.
I haven't even touched the "dirty needle" issue or how much fun tattoo removal can be.
Happy trails.

Yeah, that whole MRI thing, urban myth.

Can we get a topic close before this idiot keeps getting his jollies arguing the same point over and over with people who quite frankly don't give a shit about his naivety?

Eric Stoner
12-10-2007, 10:43 AM
Yeah, that whole MRI thing, urban myth.

Can we get a topic close before this idiot keeps getting his jollies arguing the same point over and over with people who quite frankly don't give a shit about his naivety?

There is absolutely no need to personalize this. You like tats and that's fine.
I don't and you ought to be wiling to accept that.

FACT- Tattoos for the most part are NOT seriously regulated beyoind basic licensing just like barbers and nail salons. Some, repeat SOME,inks do contain metal and many metals can adversely react with an MRI machine causing an uncomfortable reaction AND creating "artifact" which degrades the image making it harder to read and interpret.

FACT- The FDA is looking into ink content.

FACT- Some, repeat SOME tattoo inks have been found to contain lead; mercury; cadmium and other toxins.

Here's a question for you. If you wanted to be sure what the ink did or did not contain how would you do it ? Would you just rely on the word of the tattooist ?

TigersMilk
12-10-2007, 10:46 AM
^^Do you have any links to articles or other places that can verify your statements?

DJ Machismo
12-10-2007, 11:01 AM
There is absolutely no need to personalize this. You like tats and that's fine.
I don't and you ought to be wiling to accept that.

FACT- Tattoos for the most part are NOT seriously regulated beyoind basic licensing just like barbers and nail salons. Some, repeat SOME,inks do contain metal and many metals can adversely react with an MRI machine causing an uncomfortable reaction AND creating "artifact" which degrades the image making it harder to read and interpret.

FACT- The FDA is looking into ink content.

FACT- Some, repeat SOME tattoo inks have been found to contain lead; mercury; cadmium and other toxins.

Here's a question for you. If you wanted to be sure what the ink did or did not contain how would you do it ? Would you just rely on the word of the tattooist ?

Quite an odd statement from someone who doesn't seem to get the picture that none of the tattooed people here really give two cow patties what you think in the first place. Also you've been damn near berating every tattooed person here for near the entire thread. Fucking hypocrite.

So where are your FACTS coming from? I don't see you providing any proof. Just mouthing off for who knows what reason.

And I trust my tattooists, thats why I use them.

Blade
12-10-2007, 11:15 AM
There is absolutely no need to personalize this. You like tats and that's fine.
I don't and you ought to be wiling to accept that.

FACT- Tattoos for the most part are NOT seriously regulated beyoind basic licensing just like barbers and nail salons. Some, repeat SOME,inks do contain metal and many metals can adversely react with an MRI machine causing an uncomfortable reaction AND creating "artifact" which degrades the image making it harder to read and interpret.

FACT- The FDA is looking into ink content.

FACT- Some, repeat SOME tattoo inks have been found to contain lead; mercury; cadmium and other toxins.

Here's a question for you. If you wanted to be sure what the ink did or did not contain how would you do it ? Would you just rely on the word of the tattooist ?
There has been concern expressed about the interaction between (MRI) procedures and tattoo pigments, some of which contain . Allegedly, the produced by MRI machines could interact with these metal particles, potentially causing burns or distortions in the image. The television show tested the theory, and found no interaction between tattoo inks and MRI.
However, research by Shellock and Crues reports adverse reactions to MRI and tattoos in a very small number of cases. Wagle and Smith also documented an isolated case of . The person in the case had a dark, concentrated, loop-shaped tattoo, which the authors speculate could have acted as an RF () pick-up; they also note that this is the first such case they encountered in "thousands of MRI studies". Ratnapalan et al. report where an MRI could not be completed due to the patient's extensive tattoos. According to the , homemade tattoos, in which metallic inks have been used in larger quantities, cause these reactions.
For the most part the same pigment base which is used in cosmetics is the same base for modern tattooing pigments.


As of 2004 the FDA does perform studies to determine if the contents are possibly dangerous, and follow up with legal action if they find them to have disallowed contents, including traces of (such as iron oxide) or other carcinogenic materials (see CA lawsuit). The first known study to characterize the composition of these pigments was started in 2005 at Northern Arizona University (Finley-Jones and Wagner). The FDA expects local authorities to legislate and test tattoo pigments and inks made for the use of permanent cosmetics. In California, the state prohibits certain ingredients and pursues companies who fail to notify the consumer of the contents of tattoo pigments. Recently, the state of California sued nine pigment and ink manufacturers, requiring them to more adequately label their products.



I can go on but dont want to be busted for a copywrite infringement.