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aussiebelle
12-09-2007, 11:56 PM
I hate the media and what they do to girls regarding body image.
In my opinion, Jennifer Love Hewitt looks great. She looks healthy and is a really good size. Sure, she may have some cellulite but she is not fat!
The media will pretty much find flaws in almost all female celebrities, whether they are being criticized for being too fat or too skinny. No wonder there is so many body image problems with girls in society today.

twisterinAZ
12-10-2007, 01:01 AM
Some of the responses here were not what i expected. No wonder so many women have eating disorders. If you look normal, you "let yourself go." Just in case anyone has failed to notice, a size 2 or 4 is not the norm and it's next to impossible for the majority of women to get into. I bet she does end up losing the weight but not because she feels she needs to or she thinks it will be great fun to restrict her diet and spend 2 hours a day working out on top of a busy shooting schedule. It will be to fit into this "pretty" image the media perpetuates and we all buy into . Who knows, maybe she will go as far as bulimia or diet pills so we won't make fun of her. Neat.

maximvsv
12-10-2007, 01:58 AM
Aside from that her bathing suit is just ugly, she's an every-day woman. I think she's gorgeous, and beyond bangable.

I think that "she's an every-day woman" is the complaint. She's on TV, and is supposed to be superhuman. Every-day isn't good enough.

Darcy Foxx
12-10-2007, 03:30 AM
it's shit like this, that makes me constantly hate on myself for being fat. i think my body looks pretty damn similar to j.love's in these pics, except i don't have the huge titties.

i fucking hate the media.

maximvsv
12-10-2007, 03:35 AM
At the risk of offending other people, I've got to point out that, from the pictures I've seen of you, you're considerably better looking than she. I'll refer you to your "ashinabox" "drop the sheet" and "shoes cooler than you" pictures, by way of example.

Darcy Foxx
12-10-2007, 03:39 AM
one word: photoshop.

you put me on a beach in natural lighting in a bikini and i absolutely fucking guarantee that you'd be able to pick as much cellulite and flab as people are saying they can on her.

aussiebelle
12-10-2007, 03:39 AM
This topic makes me really angry because I know that if she does then go and lose the weight the media will also jump on that and criticize her for losing it too quickly or being too skinny, blah blah blah...
i just know that if I put on a couple of kilos obviously i will know it and if one person said something about it, it would instantly make me feel like crap and go on some unhealthy starvation and/or excessive exercise diet. I just feel sorry for all the celebs like JLH who have thousands of people criticising their weights. No wonder there are so many people with unhealthy body images, BDD or some form of eating disorder.

twisterinAZ
12-10-2007, 04:44 AM
it's shit like this, that makes me constantly hate on myself for being fat. i think my body looks pretty damn similar to j.love's in these pics, except i don't have the huge titties.

i fucking hate the media.


Thank you . Thats why I hate this whole thing

aussiebelle
12-10-2007, 05:35 AM
Thank you . Thats why I hate this whole thing

Agreed.

DylanAngel
12-10-2007, 05:43 AM
As rare as it is, gotta agree with you on this one Shot. I love thick women, but flabby I don't dig... /:O

I don't remember this being the topic anyway. We were discussing the media attacking her size when she's perfectly normal.

Whether you men "dig" her or not brings this intelligent conversation to a PL level. Thanks again.::)

twisterinAZ
12-10-2007, 06:12 AM
Amen sister.

Will
12-10-2007, 07:34 AM
it's shit like this, that makes me constantly hate on myself for being fat. .

Are you insane? You are not fat.

Will
12-10-2007, 07:36 AM
one word: photoshop.
.

This pic was photo shopped? How so?

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=5968312&albumID=984248&imageID=5004765

Jenny
12-10-2007, 07:44 AM
Are you insane? You are not fat. You could use some muscle tone (in my opinion if I were asked) but you are far from fat.8)
See again - this is interesting. Do you think she asked? I saw nothing in her post that would be reasonably construed as "please critique my body, Will." It sort of goes back to Dylan's point - if the topic is about a media frenzy on Jennifer Love Hewitt, why is a guy's personal preference on how women look particularly relevant? It's not always all about what you like to see and it's kind of interesting that you think it is, actually.

Will
12-10-2007, 07:45 AM
I don't remember this being the topic anyway. We were discussing the media attacking her size when she's perfectly normal.

Whether you men "dig" her or not brings this intelligent conversation to a PL level. Thanks again.::)

I made an "intellegent" assessment of her and the photo in a prior thread, and made the comment:

(1) anyone, no matter who they are, can take a bad picture, and that’s a fact.

(2) I say good for her, telling the media to go screw. If she’s happy with herself, that’s all that really matters.

(3) I agree, "The media is just relentless and cruel"

Please attempt to read all posts of mine prior to throwing an insult at me. “Normal” is a worthless subjective term, and BTW, most “normal” people are flabby and in terrible shape, thus I agree with Shot, and have every right to agree with Shot on the issue. Some women look GREAT with axtra weight on them, not all women should strive to be a size 2, etc, but it aint working for her in that pic. She looks like crap in that particular picture. That don’t make her a bad person, could simply be a bad picture of her. Etc, etc. and NO ONE should apply the comment to anyone but her and is not some general reflection women in general.

Will
12-10-2007, 07:48 AM
See again - this is interesting. Do you think she asked? I saw nothing in her post that would be reasonably construed as "please critique my body, Will." It sort of goes back to Dylan's point - if the topic is about a media frenzy on Jennifer Love Hewitt, why is a guy's personal preference on how women look particularly relevant? It's not always all about what you like to see and it's kind of interesting that you think it is, actually.

Christ almighty, I try to compliment her and even that is some how taken badly as an attack on her. No, she didn’t ask, but she said she was fat, and she is not fat, and she is far more attractive than JLH on all fronts, and I I made SURE to note I was not asked. I will now go remove the comment about any muscle tone. Really, relax.

High_Heel_Lover
12-10-2007, 07:51 AM
Fuck them all! All who think she is fat need to have their eyes checked and the stick out of their asses pulled because it's messing up with their fucking brain.

So what if a person looks like how they look does anyone of the people who have anything to say about her sleep with her? NO! so if anyone doesn't like how she looks so what? is she your SO? no!


People's priorities are really screwed up, children dying, people being raped, homeless people, WAR! and this is what makes news? the image of someone who people don't even fucking know?! gah! idiots.

Vyanka
12-10-2007, 07:57 AM
I wish they'd criticize men's apperance more than women!

I think JLH is wearing a bikini that isn't flattering to her body.

Jenny
12-10-2007, 08:00 AM
Christ almighty, I try to compliment her and even that is some how taken badly as an attack on her. No, she didn’t ask, but she said she was fat, and she is not fat, and she is far more attractive than JLH on all fronts, and I I made SURE to note I was not asked. I will now go remove the comment about any muscle tone. Really, relax.
Dude, I'm not the one freaking out. Really - relax. I'm just wondering that since you weren't asked, why you thought a critique was necessary, what it added, why it would be welcomed, etc. I realize that you're not attacking her. I just wonder why you think that your evaluation and criticism of her body is appropriate - it seems just presumptuous. Sort of going back to Dylan's issue again - why do you think that your preference in the visual workings of females is so important? It's particularly interesting because we are on a stripper board, and you should realize, at least intellectually, that if you want to be in a position to privilege your aesthetics findings on women that you really ought to be paying for it; so do you think it is because she is a stripper, that you have at least some potentiality to be in that relationship, or do you just assume that position of superiority over all women?

Will
12-10-2007, 08:04 AM
or do you just assume that position of superiority over all women?

Holy shit. Seek help. I'm done with this thread. Will leave it to you ladies to talk among yourselves. Thanx all.

scarlett_vancouver
12-10-2007, 08:12 AM
Holy shit. Seek help. I'm done with this thread. Will leave it to you ladies to talk among yourselves. Thanx all.

You heard the man, Jenny!

So, like, why is everyone taking the critiquing of JLH's body so personally?

I mean, yeah, celebrities, and women in general, are held to an unrealistic standard of beauty. But only in the eyes of the people that judge by that standard...you can choose to say "fuck it" and not care. I don't mean not care about how you look, but not care about standards you find unreasonable. If you choose to care then...what's the point of getting mad? You're consenting to the standard.

Jenny
12-10-2007, 08:14 AM
Holy shit. Seek help. I'm done with this thread. Will leave it to you ladies to talk among yourselves. Thanx all.
Dude - you could not have made my point any better if you were trying. Were you trying? If so - thanks. If not - maybe you need to re-read that exchange and consider why, when a critique of your post is so unwelcome to you, your critique of someone else's body, quite apart from the relevance of the thread is oh-so-appropriate.

Sh0t
12-10-2007, 08:17 AM
This is the last time I will address this subject.
I've sat by in silence for a long time now about the way women's bodies are constantly scrutinized. To set the record straight, I'm not upset for me, but for all of the girls out there that are struggling with their body image.
A size 2 is not fat! Nor will it ever be. And being a size 0 doesn't make you beautiful. What I should be doing is celebrating some of the best days of my life and my engagement to the man of my dreams, instead of having to deal with photographers taking invasive pictures from bad angles. I know what I look like, and so do my friends and family. And like all women out there should, I love my body.
To all girls with butts, boobs, hips and a waist, put on a bikini -- put it on and stay strong.

Xoxo

JLH

Poor Will.



Since we are on the topic of finding things interesting(apologies to Jenny), I would like to bring up the fact that most normal women consider you guys, strippers, a major cause of THEIR insecurity about their bodies. Alongside pornstars and hollywoodtypes, strippers have contributed to raising the bar on plastic surgery, especially breast implants, and many "normal" women are stuck playing catchup.


I wish they'd criticize men's apperance more than women!

They critisize men all the time, we just don't pay much attention. I bought the latest issue of GQ and it has several pretty homo-erotic picture spreads in it of male underwear models. I recognize that i am not as gorgeous as those men, but i really don't see the world through that "is he hotter than me" lens. I size up whether or not I could beat them up though, and it's a resounding yes as i turn the page.

There have been many threads on this lovely site where some celeb was criticized for lookin weird, especially if they got too thin. Commenting on somebody being too big is a faux pas, but addressing such-and-such being too skinny is ok. We've had threads about Jenna Jameson, Nicole Ritchie, Tara Reid's plastic surgery, etc.


This fits in with my thesis that stripperweb consists of those chicks who were fat in high school but ended up skinny due to only being able to afford ramen noodles in college.

Jenny
12-10-2007, 08:19 AM
So, like, why is everyone taking the critiquing of JLH's body so personally?

I mean, yeah, celebrities, and women in general, are held to an unrealistic standard of beauty. But only in the eyes of the people that judge by that standard...you can choose to say "fuck it" and not care. I don't mean not care about how you look, but not care about standards you find unreasonable. If you choose to care then...what's the point of getting mad? You're consenting to the standard.
Reasonable question. I think a) because it is sexist - and some people tend to get riled about that. Who was it who said that beauty is the one area in which all men feel entitled to judge all all women? b) Because it seems mean. And sometimes people get excited about that. And c) it is interesting. And of course d) because we identify with being on the bottom end of the criticism and we just want to say "Shut up! I'm rubber and you're glue" etc.

High_Heel_Lover
12-10-2007, 08:23 AM
You heard the man, Jenny!

So, like, why is everyone taking the critiquing of JLH's body so personally?

I mean, yeah, celebrities, and women in general, are held to an unrealistic standard of beauty. But only in the eyes of the people that judge by that standard...you can choose to say "fuck it" and not care. I don't mean not care about how you look, but not care about standards you find unreasonable. If you choose to care then...what's the point of getting mad? You're consenting to the standard.


Why sweetie? For me personally it's like a big middle finger to anyone who doesn't look like a Barbie. All the negative things I have heard over the years for things that one can't even help comes to mind and all the criticism that I have heard personally and towards others just gets to the point were it's just enough.

I have stretchmarks due to my pregnancies and have any of you heard "omg! eww what's that?" not only from fucking strangers but family and friends, it is hurtful. Being called disgusting because of imperfections is no fun. Having a person who you think loves you and tells you things like " no one will love you because you have this or that" is very damaging and I am honestly sick of it all. The whole beauty standard not because of just my image but the message it is sending younger generations.

Look don't mind me it's just a very hard subject.

stellaforstars
12-10-2007, 08:25 AM
^^I think my issue with it is that, one day, my 12 year old daughter is not going to understand that the "beauty ideal" of Hollywood is a myth, unless there are people out there who aren't afraid to stand up and let her know.

Not everyone is old enough or wise enough to get the idea of consenting or not consenting to the standard.

High_Heel_Lover
12-10-2007, 08:32 AM
People, stars aren't perfect...and they look like every day people with out make up also.

Jenny
12-10-2007, 10:22 AM
Poor Will.
What? I just said that he said something interesting. My god, you guys are touchy.


Since we are on the topic of finding things interesting(apologies to Jenny), I would like to bring up the fact that most normal women consider you guys, strippers, a major cause of THEIR insecurity about their bodies. Alongside pornstars and hollywoodtypes, strippers have contributed to raising the bar on plastic surgery, especially breast implants, and many "normal" women are stuck playing catchup.
Reasonable point. I think though, that it might be more attached to ideas on how "normal" women imagine strippers look than how they actually look. I mean, you've pointed out a thousand times that most (or many? whichever) strippers are 7s or thereabouts. I don't think that I, like as myself, am at all intimidating, frightening or insecurity building towards any woman once they've actually seen me. This is why when wives or girlfriends actually come to the club they are a lot less freaked out by it - because they generally find that we're not so intimidating after all.

Bob_Loblaw
12-10-2007, 10:33 AM
I wish they'd criticize men's apperance more than women!

They don't because most men don't care. Men will always think they are God's gift to women no matter how old, fat, short, bald, hairy, etc. they are. You can blame Ron Jeremy for that.

Sh0t
12-10-2007, 10:36 AM
To me most are 7s, but to the eyes of the women who are comparing themselves to dancers, who knows what they are.

Do all wives and girlfriends have that experience? I've seen it go a variety of waves even in my limited experience.

Stripper-chic has definantly influenced normal girls, for better or worse. You even see women rushing out to take pole dancing classes,etc because they often feel they need to compete with exotic entertainers in kind of a sexual arms race. I would say they are correct to think so because it matters to me, but I'm just one guy.

I think the same has happened with tramp stamps, some other things.

Strippers are probably worse than hollywood types and pornstars because a guy has a reasonable chance of ENCOUNTERING a stripper, just walk into a club.

Back when I used to compliment women, I would sometimes tell them "oh you would be a hit as stripper" and most women, even hot ones, would say they were "too fat" or too "something" to even do an amateur not at a strip club.

re: guys
the criticism is made, just watch E or something. Most just aren't listening. Guys get lots of criticism that hurts in other areas though. We are forever facing emasculation

Jenny
12-10-2007, 10:56 AM
To me most are 7s, but to the eyes of the women who are comparing themselves to dancers, who knows what they are.
Okay - if a woman has BDD and can't recognize her comparative "worth" - to engage in your construction - perhaps not - but that experience is the same everywhere, not just in a stripclub or to a greater degree in a stripclub.


Stripper-chic has definantly influenced normal girls, for better or worse. You even see women rushing out to take pole dancing classes,etc because they often feel they need to compete with exotic entertainers in kind of a sexual arms race. I would say they are correct to think so because it matters to me, but I'm just one guy.

I think the same has happened with tramp stamps, some other things.
I think this is an interesting construction. What makes you think that women taking pole dancing classes are taking them to "compete" with anything? Methinks you are projecting, my friend. The women I know who take such classes - or intend to or intended to or whatnot - were interested largely because of the badass factor; they feel kind like they are associating themselves with something a little marginalized and a little on edge. If you wanted to phrase it pejoratively (which I don't, but if you did) you might say that they were slumming it. I don't think that they are taking it because they feel that they are competing.

And I think tramp stamps went the other way - I think strippers started getting them because they were stylish.


Strippers are probably worse than hollywood types and pornstars because a guy has a reasonable chance of ENCOUNTERING a stripper, just walk into a club.
While access to strippers is certainly greater, I would point out that this is only "worse" if the relative value of strippers (again, to engage in your construction) is actually greater than that of a normal woman. If strippers are just normal "above average" girls (as you've so often pointed out) then the greater access has no real meaning. I think for this to make sense you're going to have to either inflate or acknowledge that strippers are "better" - hotter, cuter, whatever - than "normal" women. I don't think you can say that strippers aren't that hot AND simultaneously claim that they are oppressive to other women who aren't that hot on the basis of said hotness. It just doesn't make sense.


Back when I used to compliment women, I would sometimes tell them "oh you would be a hit as stripper" and most women, even hot ones, would say they were "too fat" or too "something" to even do an amateur not at a strip club.
I'm sure. But I suspect that is the result of their imagination more than any sense of what strippers actually look like. Like I said in the first place - "normal" women have an inflated sense of how hot strippers are.

I think again, this whole argument is sort of ... interesting. I mean, considering that the criticism in this thread was directed towards the website making fun of JLH, not JLH herself, nor to other women that you might think were cuter than JLH thus making her feel bad about herself, it is interesting how you reconstruct it to be, essentially, a catfight between women. Come on. Don't you think that is even a smidge interesting?

cameron_keys
12-10-2007, 12:06 PM
Havent read it all..just thought this was funny:

“Jennifer Love Hewitt is not fat. Tyra Banks is fat!”

- The always delicious Janice Dickinson, Monday morning on the Today show

krchab99
12-10-2007, 12:08 PM
They don't because most men don't care. Men will always think they are God's gift to women no matter how old, fat, short, bald, hairy, etc. they are. You can blame Ron Jeremy for that.

omg so true.lol

Circe
12-10-2007, 12:36 PM
As much as we can claim to not let beauty standards dictate our body image, I do think it affects almost all of us to some extent. I'm sure some women would be comfortable embodying the complete opposite of our current beauty standard, but I sense they are in the minority. I can see how this would be a interesting topic-not because it's JLH, ew Party of Five-but because it touches on the whole body image-sizing debacle.

And Jenny's earlier point reminds me of something I often hear when the issues of curvy or large vs. thin comes up. People state "No, guys LIKE curves" as a reason for women to embrace a larger body type. Which I'm sure is largely true, but misses the point of true body acceptance...being that it should not be contingent on being attractive or sexually desirable to the opposite sex.

Katrine
12-10-2007, 01:24 PM
Since we are on the topic of finding things interesting(apologies to Jenny), I would like to bring up the fact that most normal women consider you guys, strippers, a major cause of THEIR insecurity about their bodies. Alongside pornstars and hollywoodtypes, strippers have contributed to raising the bar on plastic surgery, especially breast implants, and many "normal" women are stuck playing catchup.



Aha!!! You see, Sh0tsky, in a forum full of actual strippers, you will see how inaccurate you actually are.

Must like celebrity and model photoshopped pics, stripper bodies look impressive due to a number of factors. Two of them being ridiculously high heels and darkness with strategically flattering lighting.

As most of us strippers and former strippers have seen, most of our colleagues do look like normal girls back in the dressing room. Dancers who work in the super-high end clubs may have slightly different experiences of course.

I've worked the gamut, from low-end to high-end, and you will see MANY, MANY strippers in the dressing room with asses like JLH, but look perfect in the crowd.


So we do understand that society's judgement of JLH is unreasonable. She isn't a Sports Illustrated model, there is no reason why she can't take a break from a vigorous gym routine. Why does she have to look perfect just because she's a celebrity? She hasn't become obese, she is just soft.

Blech......


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This fits in with my thesis that stripperweb consists of those chicks who were fat in high school but ended up skinny due to only being able to afford ramen noodles in college.

Is this a blanket statement? I wasn't fat in high school, or ever.

PaigeDWinter
12-10-2007, 04:31 PM
Why the FUCK cant we have one fucking civil thread around here anymore?

Phil-W
12-10-2007, 04:47 PM
And to get boringly back on topic.

As the saying goes; "One (wo)mans's meat is another (wo)man's poison.

My top ten of attractive celebs will not be the same as anyone else's, and vice versa - so we're all arguing from our own individual standpoints.

Even before the days of photoshop, I'm damn sure celebrities (male and female alike) were pretty selective about releasing photos they controlled. Cellulite ain't an 21st century invention.

Doubt you could find a single celebrity without some form of unflattering picture somewhere on the internet - that's life folks.....

And photos don't tell us very much about personality. He/she could be the best looking celebity in the world, but could have a truely sh*tty personality - and you'd never tell that from a photo.

Phil.

britt244
12-10-2007, 04:55 PM
Holy shit. Seek help. I'm done with this thread. Will leave it to you ladies to talk among yourselves. Thanx all.


Why the FUCK cant we have one fucking civil thread around here anymore?

why cant we have one without people telling others to "get help"?!

smartcookie
12-10-2007, 05:17 PM
I saw the pictures. I don't think she's even close to "fat", and I don't doubt she's a size 2. Is she a little out of shape? Yeah, but it's nothing a month in the gym and a careful diet (not a starvation diet) wouldn't take care of.

I lost twenty five pounds this year. I weigh 122 now and I wear a size 4/6. I'm still squishy in certain places and I'm sure there are those who would call me "fat". I say: fuck em.

I don't know if any of you heard about the BBC documentary Super Skinny Me: The Race to Size 0, but it portrays two female journalists who starve themselves down to a size 0 on a five week crash diet. It's not pretty: colonics, a diet consisting of lemonade, laxatives, and an hour on the treadmill daily. It's available on BBC America On Demand right now.

Katrine
12-10-2007, 08:44 PM
I don't know if any of you heard about the BBC documentary Super Skinny Me: The Race to Size 0, but it portrays two female journalists who starve themselves down to a size 0 on a five week crash diet. It's not pretty: colonics, a diet consisting of lemonade, laxatives, and an hour on the treadmill daily. It's available on BBC America On Demand right now.

Wow, as terminally unhappy as I am..that would make me even more suicidall. At least I know that no matter how fucked up things get, I will seldomley eat too much more or less than I need. Its an illness like any other, right?

I don't know, I have trouble relating to girls who starve themselves for obscure social approval. But most don't relate to my own substance abuse issues either........:-\

twisterinAZ
12-10-2007, 09:45 PM
Alright threadjackers and drama llamas....

settle down please

It isn't nice to point at anyone and call them fat (or whatever else) to the point where they feel like they need to defend thier body to the public. It's mean spirited . When do we as a society say that enough is enough? We all have flaws and I just think it's super fucked up to profit off of pointing out someone elses percieved flaws.

And she is normal !!!!!!

N O R M A L

So all you blue siders listen up ! We have you fooled with our black lights and photoshopping....Not that we asked for your opinion on JLH's body or anyone elses for that matter !

LuckiCharm
12-10-2007, 10:00 PM
I feel bad for Jennifer right now.

I hate, hate, HATE what the media does to female celebrities. They are the main reason for female celebs to starve themselves, get on drugs, go crazy.... then the media feeds off of what THEY created their DAMN selves!!! And they wonder why all the fucking young women in Hollywood end up in rehab!!!!

Jeeze...I feel really bad for celebs sometimes- I really do. People have no fucking HEART nowadays. What kind of sick fuck goes around and decides to sneak pictures of innocent people in bathing suits TRYING to have a peaceful day, post them in magazines around the world, and announce that they're a fat ass??????

I think there should be serious restrictions for the paparazzi...cuz when I'm all famous I'm not gonna want to deal with the bull shit :)

StarryEyes
12-10-2007, 10:47 PM
^^ You and me both.

mollyzmoon
12-11-2007, 12:13 AM
I don't know if any of you heard about the BBC documentary Super Skinny Me: The Race to Size 0, but it portrays two female journalists who starve themselves down to a size 0 on a five week crash diet. It's not pretty: colonics, a diet consisting of lemonade, laxatives, and an hour on the treadmill daily. It's available on BBC America On Demand right now.

What the hell? British TV gets away with anything. Good lord.

That reminds me of when I was watching Rescue Dawn the other day. I couldn't stop staring at Jeremy Davies' unbelievably skeletal midsection, and thinking about how all those actors starved half to death to do that film. Yeesh.

RoseWhite
12-11-2007, 08:19 AM
^^ Did you ever see The Machinist with a shockingly skeletal Christian Bale? It's the only time I've ever found him unattractive (great acting as usual, though).

southstbabe
12-11-2007, 08:26 AM
The media is cruel and stupid. Body image has gone down the tubes thanks to the media and yes, ourselves, for buying into the media's standard of beauty which is unrealistic and unattainable for most of us. I'm thankful the media isn't God because if it were we would all look like the media's standard of beauty (unrealistic) and not our God given selves.

LoveSexMoney
12-11-2007, 08:32 AM
I don't think she's fat but I have a hard time believing she's a 2 in those pics, unless her waist like 16 inches or something.

I <3'd her in Heartbreakers! and Confessions of a Sociopathic Social Climber too :)

"Hi, this is Katya. I can't answer my phone because I'm off doing something faaaaaaaaaabulous." I think I'm going to change my voicemail message to that. hehe

Smoothcat
12-11-2007, 09:03 AM
http://img203.imagevenue.com/loc251/th_88301_JLHbuttcrop_123_251lo.jpg (http://img203.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=88301_JLHbuttcrop_123_251lo.jpg)

I cropped this from one of the photos. We can all learn from her:
Anyone can put on weight or lose their muscle tone, especially if they eat more or exercise less. I was naturally very thin until my 30's, then I put on about 15 or 20 pounds. Then when a few people commented on it, I felt embarrassed enough to cut back and gradually lost the extra weight. So my problem with her is that she could have really helped a lot of people by simply admitting, "You're right, I've put on a few, I should work out some more." Instead, her denial and claim of still being a size 2 ::) is just like most of America, a refusal to see the obvious and humble ourselves just enough to change. She's not fat, but if she continues like this, she could become fat. I hope exotic dancers realize that you are in a profession that can help American women realize what they are capable of, simply looking and feeling healthier than they ever thought possible: most of you know the true path to fitness and beauty. :highfive: :meditate: :angel:

RoseWhite
12-11-2007, 09:19 AM
^^ :yikes:

*takes a moment to compose self*


:toldoff:

stellaforstars
12-11-2007, 09:22 AM
^^In-freaking-deed.

A 16 inch waist does NOT a size 2 make.

I truly think we've completely brainwashed men in lying about our weight, etc. and have completely thrown them off the right track...