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Jenny
12-10-2007, 05:59 PM
Oh FBR. It's all about timing in these negotiations.

I_luv_dancers!
12-10-2007, 07:48 PM
This is better than television.......pass the popcorn hon!

Like I told My Favorite Vegas Stripper on my last visit when offered a HJTC to get me in the $300/half hour VIP room (AFTER she had already run through all the gears): "I can do that myself after I get back to the hotel".

No stripper is getting my precious fluids as a consequence of grindage or stickshifting. I'll only donate to that cause if Mr Happy - in his raincoat - slides between lips of some sort. At which time the experience will have transcended the lap dance into something else.

lestat1
12-10-2007, 07:58 PM
And here I thought guys bought them because they appreciated the finely tuned aesthetics of my performance.
I have wriggled on thousands of laps and can count sploogers on one hand. So in my experience it's not being sought out - - and really, why would it be? If you want to pay someone to get you off, at least go for a handjob at minimum rather than frotture. Like jack shacks (I don't understand paying to masturbate in front of someone), fully-clothed orgasm is confusing to me. Paying to have titties and buttcheeks in your face seems pretty straightforward. Paying for a lapdance does as well. Seeking to pay for an orgasm but not an actual sexual act? Enlighten me on that, please.

Though it opens me up to immense ridicule, I'll try to answer using myself as an example.

First, let me explain the "costs" to me in this cost-benefit scenario. Other than the obvious money spent, there is the mess. Well, slight dampness I should say. Underwear is absorbent, and it's not like a geyser here. Pants frequently stay dry, given the underwear, t-shirt, and button-down shirt layers in between penis and pants. I'm usually dry by the time I get home. The dancers at my clubs employ "lap dance towels," so dancer stays dry as well, except for the rare VIP experiences that involve different logistics. Also, while I fully understand being grossed out by another person's semen, mine is something I'm quite familiar with. I am male, I masturbate. If the idea of my own semen touching my skin skeeved me out, I'd be pretty damn frustrated by now. Next cost: the embarassment. Well, at my clubs, my experience is hardly unique. Combined with all of the other embarassments that come with being me (read on below), I have worse things to be embarassed about.

So the first inference I'm drawing here is that you rate the costs much higher than I do. Completely understandable. I probably find the thought of your period far grosser than you do. Same sort of thing, it's all what one is used to and has lived with. I find other people's dirty plates and leftover food absolutely disgusting; I could never work as a waiter. I don't know how other people manage, but those who work in the food industry are probably indifferent about it.

Now before I explain the benefits, a little background on me (it'll help explain the benefits). Shy computer nerd. Virgin 'til 26. I tried therapy for my low self-esteem issues; it only sort of helped. I'm getting better, but slowly. I can at least muster a normal conversation under everyday circumstances, so some progress. My recent relationship had no passion for me; I'd have preferred masturbating to having sex with her. To say that I am desperate, or sexually frustrated, is to call the oceans damp. Likewise on calling me inexperienced. Yes, I am a PL, and in the bad sense of the term.

Now, the benefits. Since you're female, I'll try my best to describe the feelings of a man such as myself being on the receiving end of a naked, grinding, two-way contact lap dance. This will explain the benefits to me and also why I much prefer this over a sex act such as a handjob. I like soft and sensual dances, I'm sure due to my previously-mentioned inexperience. I can and do gasp out loud from a dancer draping her hair across my face and slowly sliding it down. The silky softness, the scent; it is a deliciously erotic feeling. The full body slide, the gentle breathing in my ear, nibbling at my neck and ears; these are things that make my heart POUND! Half the time my eyes are shut hard as I try to control my breathing and not end up panting irregularly. My life is dull and passionless, but these minutes of erotic heaven make me feel alive and filled with a wonderfully-intense lust. The two way contact generally includes no naughty areas, but I don't care. I could literally spend the weekend caressing a woman's soft skin and not get bored. Forgetting all of that for a moment, simply having her in my lap with my arms around her is a very peaceful feeling. The angst, stress, and frustration of being alone and sexually frustrated so frequently just melt away. Of course, as time goes on through my dances, the lust and sexual frustration increase. In case it wasn't clear, at this point I'm far more turned on than any masturbatory experience can allow. Far more. We're talking a factor of 10, 50, or even 100 times more aroused. There is no comparing the two experiences for me.

I'm also far more turned on than a handjob from a woman can provide. No offense, but I had more experience using my hand on my penis by age 17 than a a dozen 20-year veterans of the porn industry would have combined. I can do it better. Plus, a handjob? A boring handjob with her hand jerking me off and that's it? Why? Why would I choose that over the lap dance I described above? The dance is so much more erotic, so much more fulfilling than a hand. Call it pseudo-GFE, call it I'm starved for female contact, but I'd even prefer a hot lap dance that left me unsatsified to a handjob to completion. Hell, my first lap dance ever left me panting and trembling. She grinned at me and said it was okay if I needed to sit for a while to catch my breath, and I definitely needed to do just that.

My second inference is that I'm ranking the benefits much higher than you are. I'm paying $50 to $60 a song for my lap dances, and I'm perfectly okay with that. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you are quite an attractive young woman and as such, may have slightly more sexual choices / opportunities than I (being shy and not approaching women ever) do? So while a clothed orgasm to you isn't that big of a deal, it's basically as good as life ever gets for me. You are sort of looking down on disdain at something that is the highlight of my miserable existence. If it helps, think of what $10,000 means to Bill Gates versus what it means to a poor person.

So, given all the above, the miniscule cost (to me), the intensely wonderful benefits (to me) of a lap dance that ends with me satisfied, and my preferences for that compared to a handjob (to say nothing of me not being the sort to ask for an extra), it's not something I've ever hesitated about. So does that help explain it at all (even if you don't agree, do you understand the opposite point of view)? If not that's okay...I think it might be the sort of thing that has to be experienced to be truly understood, but I gave it a shot.

Oh, I don't understand jack shacks either. Someone else will have to explain that one.

Go ahead and hit me with the ridicule now, I doubt there will be anything I haven't heard many times before.

FBR
12-10-2007, 08:06 PM
LMAO stat

As I have said many times you are the mileage king here in terms of ROI. Plus an underhanded sneaky motherfucker :P

FBR

I_luv_dancers!
12-10-2007, 08:13 PM
^^^ Lestat, that was VERY well written and right on the money starting with the paragraph "Now, the benefits."

Well done. No ridicule will be coming from me.

xdamage
12-10-2007, 08:15 PM
...In case it wasn't clear, at this point I'm far more turned on than any masturbatory experience can allow. Far more. We're talking a factor of 10, 50, or even 100 times more aroused. There is no comparing the two experiences for me...

I'd guess a lot of men would agree. That what you are describing is probably the common case for many strip club customers, and not all guys want the drop em, stroke em, "cum for me baby, hurry baby, I can't wait" blow the load experience from an unknown escort that just wants to get it over with ASAP so she can get back out there and round up a new customer. They don't seem to get that a lot of men would pay more for an erotic sensual experience, even one that doesn't necessarily end in blowing their load, then one that is basically just a jerk off session with a stranger.

lestat1
12-10-2007, 08:17 PM
LMAO stat

As I have said many times you are the mileage king here in terms of ROI. Plus an underhanded sneaky motherfucker :P

FBR

Underhanded? Sneaky? Please; I have more self-esteem than guile! LOL

Smokeless
12-10-2007, 10:44 PM
... I like soft and sensual dances, I'm sure due to my previously-mentioned inexperience. I can and do gasp out loud from a dancer draping her hair across my face and slowly sliding it down. The silky softness, the scent; it is a deliciously erotic feeling. The full body slide, the gentle breathing in my ear, nibbling at my neck and ears; these are things that make my heart POUND! Half the time my eyes are shut hard as I try to control my breathing and not end up panting irregularly. My life is dull and passionless, but these minutes of erotic heaven make me feel alive and filled with a wonderfully-intense lust. The two way contact generally includes no naughty areas, but I don't care. I could literally spend the weekend caressing a woman's soft skin and not get bored. Forgetting all of that for a moment, simply having her in my lap with my arms around her is a very peaceful feeling. The angst, stress, and frustration of being alone and sexually frustrated so frequently just melt away. Of course, as time goes on through my dances, the lust and sexual frustration increase. In case it wasn't clear, at this point I'm far more turned on than any masturbatory experience can allow. Far more. We're talking a factor of 10, 50, or even 100 times more aroused. There is no comparing the two experiences for me.

Perfection! You don't need to be shy and withdrawn. You don't need to be single. Your life need not be dull and passionless. Stat scores!

:10: :worship: :10: :worship: :10:

Susan Wayward
12-11-2007, 01:57 AM
Well, that was a great answer, lestat1. I can't beleive no one else thought to answer, basically, "because I enjoy it." I can't argue with that.

I take issue with your assumption that I think of semen as icky, as a general principle. I do think it's common courtesy for a customer to take as many precautions to keep it off of dancers as we do to keep menstrual blood far, far away from them (unless other implied or negotiated results are expected).

Also, I understand that you all feel the need to overexplain "since [I'm] female," but I have had lap dances and been turned on despite my otherwise sheltered existence.

xdamage
12-11-2007, 06:41 AM
Still, it remains interesting to me how many sex workers ask that same questions, and really don't seem to get what it is that motivates their male customers. Lestat1 gave a peak into what goes on in his own brain. My guess is a lot, if not most of the guys, understand what he wrote intuitively. It goes beyond just simply enjoying it like enjoying an ice cream cone. Sexuality and the want of it is often the central drive for a guy for much of his life.

But like I said, the other problem with threads like this one is that it invites a certain kind of entitlement oriented, bragging response and line of questioning, the gist of which is basically to point out that dancers don't need to pay for sex/orgasms, and men who do are thus sub-human losers. I understand why people do that, why they like to believe they are superior humans and stroke their own egos, but that kind of predictable reply and leading line of questioning does get old after a while. It's also not true, and one day every dancer that lives long enough will find herself increasingly in that sub-human position, as she ages she will increasingly find that she wasn't entitled to be touched, or sexually wanted by other human beings at all. She was just lucky.

Lapaholic
12-11-2007, 06:56 AM
leStat explained it perfectly . Bravo!!!!.. A lap dance when done right is way better than a handjob and I may submit is better than crappy sex. Wow lestat u really nailed it, alt least from this junkie's perspective.

yoda57us
12-11-2007, 04:58 PM
Still, it remains interesting to me how many sex workers ask that same questions, and really don't seem to get what it is that motivates their male customers.

I know this fact bugs the shit out of you X but I really don't see what the big deal is. Who really cares if dancers understand the male psyche? I sure as hell don't understand the female psyche much of the time but I don't have to understand the way a woman's brain works to have a good time with her either for free or P4P. Strippers understand enough about men to get a customer to spend money on them.

Strip clubs are really pretty simple places. Dancers know why they are there and hopefully, customers know what they are looking for as well. If everybody gets what they want it's a win/win. If a guy isn't getting what he wants that's kinda his problem, not the dancer's.

3-Legged Man
12-11-2007, 05:32 PM
I chose the 2nd answer... accidents happen. Some dancers have been on a mission to create the happy ending. Others grind a bit and back off to prolong the sensation. They are the true artists.

I haven't had that total experience in a few years and I can't say I miss the mess. At my current club a new dancer asked me after about 5 songs, "haven't you finished yet?" Despite her determined efforts, no mess even after 3 more songs.

xdamage
12-11-2007, 06:53 PM
I know this fact bugs the shit out of you X but I really don't see what the big deal is. Who really cares if dancers understand the male psyche? I sure as hell don't understand the female psyche much of the time but I don't have to understand the way a woman's brain works to have a good time with her either for free or P4P. Strippers understand enough about men to get a customer to spend money on them.

This you being a suck up again Yoda. Your just full of shit. Quite honestly it is not that complicated to understand. It's called listening vs being a perpetual toady - which you excel at. I understand women just fine. They aren't that complex to understand. Save it for the younger women dude. They fall for this shit. I don't. I see you as the bullshitter that you really are. Just because I don't go out of my way to be agreeable with women (or men) perpetually, doesn't mean I don't understand them. It just means I don't care or feel any need to be constantly liked or agreeable.

Women are actually quite capable of understanding the male psyche, if they choose to listen. If you want to suck up to them for choosing ignorance over understanding, fine, I am sure it will endear you to many of them. But unlike you, I actually think they are capable of understanding. That they really do have brains, and are capable of human understanding, even understanding the opposite sex if they want too. If they choose not to understand, that's fine, but I'm not going to suck up and tell them how wonderful they are for being ignorant. I'm saving that for you. Me, I just tell it straight. If they want to listen and learn they can. If not, then I'm not going to be a toady and tell them how cool it is. It's not. Frankly it's lame.

yoda57us
12-11-2007, 07:12 PM
Easy X, All I said was why should they care. Chill out , you don't know me or anyone else here nearly as well as you think you do. Not even close. If you insist on holding your motivations up as the only ones that are sincere that's your business but I'm not going to pass up a chance to call bullshit when I see it.

Your continuing and ego maniacal implication that you are telling it straight so everyone else, or at least I must be full of shit is laughable. Entertaining, but laughable.

SportsWriter2
12-11-2007, 07:50 PM
Well, I'll give x props for using perpetual toady. It has a fine 19th-century English subtlety, so much more effective than talking trash. :)

xdamage
12-11-2007, 08:09 PM
Easy X, All I said was why should they care. Chill out , you don't know me or anyone else here nearly as well as you think you do. Not even close. If you insist on holding your motivations up as the only ones that are sincere that's your business but I'm not going to pass up a chance to call bullshit when I see it.

From a purely business point of view, your comment was retarded, since understanding one's customers is generally agreed to be a wise practice. It is a practice that all good people I have worked with have adopted, and it is not that hard. It does however require putting one's ego aside, and maturing enough to see the importance of it. So you fail if you were trying to say something smart about how strippers should run their business.

So other then trying to make yourself look good again, what was the point of your post? It is in fact interesting to me how many strippers are out of touch with their customers. That was/is fact. It is also not something to be particularly proud of that many strippers are out of touch with their customers wants.

I never said it BUGGED THE SHIT OUT OF ME. You did, to try and make yourself look like a much more intelligent or tolerant person, but like I said, I just see that as you being a suck a up trying to make yourself look good again to the strippers.

Look Yoda, you are a very predictable guy. Nothing wrong with that, but why not save the sucking up for the pink side? In theory on the blue side we just don't need the guys over here trying to score stripper-friendly points in every post.

yoda57us
12-11-2007, 08:36 PM
X, I am no more predictable than you are. I post what I want wherever I want. If you don't like it just put me on ignore and you won't have to read it anymore.

But just in case you haven't clicked the ignore button yet...I do find it laughable that you seem to think you know more about what makes a good stripper than strippers do. At the risk of repeating myself, dancing is not that complicated. It's worked pretty much the same way for many years. The point is not really what women do or do not understand about men. Dancers decide what they need to know and what matters to them. We decide what matters to us.

If you don' t agree with me that's fine. Lots of people don't agree with me. Questioning my motives is a bit presumptuous on your part and really just gets in the way of any meaningful debate. I just don't see the point of your continual attacks on myself and other posters here for what you perceive to be our agendas rather than simply concentrating on whatever topic is at hand. We all know where we are coming from here. Your attacks only serve to weaken your arguments.

While I'm sure that Pryce, the other members of the forums and the mods all appreciate your concern for what kind of guys you need over her in blue I'm not going anywhere X. I was here before you showed up with your argumentative superiority complex and I'll be here when you are gone...

SportsWriter2
12-11-2007, 08:41 PM
I think it might be the sort of thing that has to be experienced to be truly understood, but I gave it a shot.
Excellent writing, lestat. I think The Feeling is well worth a thread of its own, because there will be interesting variations related to different RL experiences.

xdamage
12-11-2007, 09:06 PM
But just in case you haven't clicked the ignore button yet...I do find it laughable that you seem to think you know more about what makes a good stripper than strippers do. .


This again sounds very dancer friendly, yay for you, but it fairly common that people in businesses are out of touch with their customers and do poorly as a result. I'd say if you are unaware of this it is not because it is laughable, but because you lack experience, or insight, or because you want this to sound dancer friendly (regardless of which, none are complimentary reasons, you can figure out for yourself which is the case).

I think you need to tune into more of the customer comments too about bad stripping experiences, because honestly, the facts are completely against you. Many strippers in fact are not very good strippers. What I just said is not going to gain me stripper love points like your comment, but I believe it is fact Yoda.



Questioning my motives is a bit presumptuous on your part and really just gets in the way of any meaningful debate. I just don't see the point of your continual attacks on myself...

Okay stop. Yoda, the only time I've jumped down your throat is when you start by attacking first. You decided to jump in and start with "I know this fact bugs the shit out of you X...", which was not what I said, and presumptuous on your part (since you are throwing the word around). You weren't involved in the exchange until you jumped in with one of these self-polishing comments.

I'm sorry if your memory is short, but you know, the fact is you do attack others, you're just more subtle about it then I am. I'm just very straight forward about it. You like slip in an insult and then run off when you get attacked back. I don't really mind the attacks, but do it straight up. It reminds me of some of the girls that use to run over here from the pnk side, lob a grenade, insult a bunch of men, and then run back into hiding.

Stringer
12-11-2007, 10:07 PM
X, I am no more predictable than you are. I post what I want wherever I want. If you don't like it just put me on ignore and you won't have to read it anymore.

But just in case you haven't clicked the ignore button yet...I do find it laughable that you seem to think you know more about what makes a good stripper than strippers do. At the risk of repeating myself, dancing is not that complicated. It's worked pretty much the same way for many years. The point is not really what women do or do not understand about men. Dancers decide what they need to know and what matters to them. We decide what matters to us.

If you don' t agree with me that's fine. Lots of people don't agree with me. Questioning my motives is a bit presumptuous on your part and really just gets in the way of any meaningful debate. I just don't see the point of your continual attacks on myself and other posters here for what you perceive to be our agendas rather than simply concentrating on whatever topic is at hand. We all know where we are coming from here. Your attacks only serve to weaken your arguments.

While I'm sure that Pryce, the other members of the forums and the mods all appreciate your concern for what kind of guys you need over her in blue I'm not going anywhere X. I was here before you showed up with your argumentative superiority complex and I'll be here when you are gone...
The "ignore" option? Hmmm...that's a thought. Stripper suck-ups are rather irritating.

What makes you think you're going to outlast everyone else on this board, greenie?

lestat1
12-11-2007, 11:11 PM
Well, that was a great answer, lestat1. I can't beleive no one else thought to answer, basically, "because I enjoy it." I can't argue with that.
Thanks! // personal rant warning -- I think if people were more open and honest, even when it's embarassing or unpopular, the whole SW/SCJ community would benefit from a greater level of understanding in general. Okay, sappy moment over now. :)


I take issue with your assumption that I think of semen as icky, as a general principle. I do think it's common courtesy for a customer to take as many precautions to keep it off of dancers as we do to keep menstrual blood far, far away from them (unless other implied or negotiated results are expected).
I'm sorry. If it helps, I was applying to you a general assumption about people typically not liking a stranger's bodily fluids on or near them, rather than a personal commentary on you specifically.


Also, I understand that you all feel the need to overexplain "since [I'm] female," but I have had lap dances and been turned on despite my otherwise sheltered existence.
Okay, but I still think there's a gender difference. In 5 (almost 6) years here, I've never heard a female recipient of a lap dance speak with the same passion, intensity, or rapture over it than a merely average dance provides me. To me, that means there is *something* different, some alternate experience I'm feeling that they are not. So I felt a need to elaborate and try to express what's going on inside my head and heart. Particularly when you mentioned not understanding why one would choose a lap dance + clothed orgasm over a handjob.


So no one's going to answer the jack shack question? That one I don't get...they just dance around while you do your thing, right? I'd be so embarassed to try to do that in front of a stranger! :O Heh...that's kind of funny. I've no problem ejaculating into my pants, yet masturbating, something everyone does, in front of a stranger is too embarassing for me. Oh well, so I'm not an exhibitionist.

yoda57us
12-12-2007, 05:02 AM
I think you need to tune into more of the customer comments too about bad stripping experiences, because honestly, the facts are completely against you. Many strippers in fact are not very good strippers. What I just said is not going to gain me stripper love points like your comment, but I believe it is fact Yoda.


Of course it's a fact X. I never said it wasn't. That really has nothing to do with my argument here. My stance is and always has been the same with regard to good strippers and bad strippers: Spend money on the good ones, don't spend money on the bad ones. Again, simple.

The rest of your post is just more of your same old same old. Everyone here knows I am and always have been pro-dancer and, for the most part, non-adversarial towards them. You are not stating anything new when you couch every response to one of my posts with this information.



What makes you think you're going to outlast everyone else on this board, greenie?

I didn't say everyone, Just you and X and only because the two of you are telling me to go away. Not gonna happen...

SportsWriter2
12-12-2007, 05:49 AM
Perhaps we could have a separate thread for The Perpetual Toady War. It offers no insight for what has become an interesting thread.

yoda57us
12-12-2007, 06:27 AM
Perhaps we could have a separate thread for The Perpetual Toady War. It offers no insight for what has become an interesting thread.

lol, Yeah Sporty, 'cause you've never gone off topic...

yoda57us
12-12-2007, 06:35 AM
So no one's going to answer the jack shack question? That one I don't get...they just dance around while you do your thing, right? I'd be so embarassed to try to do that in front of a stranger! :O Heh...that's kind of funny. I've no problem ejaculating into my pants, yet masturbating, something everyone does, in front of a stranger is too embarassing for me. Oh well, so I'm not an exhibitionist.

I don't get it either. Back in the days of the Combat Zone in Boston there were several peep-show type places where you could either watch a grainy 8mm porno and whack it in a small private booth or pay, a dollar at a time, to watch a real live girl through a small glass covered window and pleasure yourself. Too bad the TV show "Dirty Jobs" wasn't around back then. The job of "booth cleaner" must have been a real trip....

There are a few places in the Boston area that still offer this sort of service but you don't hear much about them other than guys asking about them on TER or USA Sex Guide.

I've never viewed internet porn is an alternative to a real-live interactive experience with a stripper but I can definitely see how it could kill the jack-shack business.

xdamage
12-12-2007, 08:04 AM
Okay, but I still think there's a gender difference. In 5 (almost 6) years here, I've never heard a female recipient of a lap dance speak with the same passion, intensity, or rapture over it than a merely average dance provides me. To me, that means there is *something* different, some alternate experience I'm feeling that they are not. So I felt a need to elaborate and try to express what's going on inside my head and heart. Particularly when you mentioned not understanding why one would choose a lap dance + clothed orgasm over a handjob.


Bingo. And this in fact key to my comment that it is interesting to me comments that I find it interesting to how many dancers don't seem to grasp what it is that motivates their male customers. I agree, there does seem to be a gender difference at play, although it would be interesting to get some feedback from women who are lesbians. I'd guess some have gotten so turned on they have orgasmed. It would also be interesting to know how if straight women ever orgasm when getting dances from male dancers (problem is, male dancers and female use of them still seems to be rare, and not just in the USA, but other countries that have strippers and prostitution as well, again suggesting a gender difference is at play).

(Yoda, see this ^^^. My interest in this is just that, an interest because I am interested in how humans really think and feel, including gender differences. My comment had nothing to do with "because it annoys the fuck out of me". It has to do with exactly what Lestat posted here, an apparent very big difference in the sexes).

Lapaholic
12-12-2007, 08:17 AM
<snip>Too bad the TV show "Dirty Jobs" wasn't around back then. The job of "booth cleaner" must have been a real trip....


lol - I was in those booths in the Combat Zone- tho I never left any stains. Do u think they were ever cleaned.... the screens were covered in spoo splats. I never sat down in one of those places. Aaah memories....


Yeah leStat - I couldnt do a "jack shack" think either. There is a place in NJ where u can buy a sex toy for a girl and she will demo it for u ( i think on the other side of a glass partition). I think it is similar to what u are talking about. Doesnt interest me at all.

I hope Susan is writing all this down - lol!!

yoda57us
12-12-2007, 08:32 AM
lol - I was in those booths in the Combat Zone- tho I never left any stains. Do u think they were ever cleaned.... the screens were covered in spoo splats. I never sat down in one of those places. Aaah memories....


Funny you should ask! The smell of Lysol was always prevalent at the old Liberty Bookstore/peep show. I would see the guy with a bucket and mop head into the booth right after a customer left...

What is amazing is the fact that the "Combat Zone", Bostons adult mecca in the 60's, 70's and 80's was decidedly no contact. Guys would pay $100 for a bottle of Champagne just to sit at a table and have a dancer cuddle and rub your leg...Of course, hooking out of the clubs was fairly common.

Lapaholic
12-12-2007, 08:39 AM
Well maybe the cleaning guy didnt have windex to clean the screens - of course were are talking projector screens not tv screens - a little harder to de-splooge!!!

Yeah I loved the Zone ( a Friday ritual in college ) and of course the old Block in Baltimore - a drink got u a lot more than a rub on the leg in Charm City!!! A bottle got u a private room in the back for 30-60 minutes...Back then anyway....

mr_punk
12-12-2007, 10:27 AM
So no one's going to answer the jack shack question? That one I don't get...they just dance around while you do your thing, right?no, it's like sc, lestat. all jack shacks or modeling studios are not created equal. some jack shacks are self serve and/or upselling clip joints. OTOH, some actually live up to their title. in short, it can be like a very nasty LD with a HJ.

Ferret
12-12-2007, 11:17 AM
Any guy that goes to a SC with the express intent of sploogin is a weak minded, foul, butt-headed, opportunistic punk who needs his head caved in. Let me see...umm...did I stutter?? Nope. I mean to say it just that way.

3-Legged Man
12-12-2007, 06:24 PM
Any guy that goes to a SC with the express intent of sploogin is a weak minded, foul, butt-headed, opportunistic punk who needs his head caved in.

Good thing THAT'S been settled.

Funny how smug, self-righteous "people" can appear where you least expect them.

lestat1
12-12-2007, 06:31 PM
Any guy that goes to a SC with the express intent of sploogin is a weak minded, foul, butt-headed, opportunistic punk who needs his head caved in. Let me see...umm...did I stutter?? Nope. I mean to say it just that way.

I envy your lack of desperation.

Ferret
12-12-2007, 06:49 PM
I don't hold myself as blameless for all manner of shit or worthy above others in any sense but I am thankful that differing opinions are tolerated here.

FBR
12-12-2007, 07:19 PM
I envy your lack of desperation.

LOL This is an ironic and pithy statement that Jenny would struggle to top :)

FBR

FBR
12-12-2007, 07:22 PM
I don't hold myself as blameless for all manner of shit or worthy above others in any sense but I am thankful that differing opinions are tolerated here.

Ferret, had you broken this into two sentences it would have been more biting and poignant.

FBR

Susan Wayward
12-12-2007, 07:47 PM
I hope Susan is writing all this down - lol!!

Totally, so that I can [redacted].

xdamage
12-12-2007, 07:48 PM
I don't hold myself as blameless for all manner of shit or worthy above others in any sense but I am thankful that differing opinions are tolerated here.

I have never splooged in a club myself, but I also don't necessarily see it as contemptuous.

One other thing to keep in mind. For some reason there are no extras girls on SW, let alone girls who grind until a guy pops. So far we are to believe that splooging, if any, has never occurred for any girl on SW due to intentional grinding to keep the money flowing as long as possible. Maybe even to give the guy a happy ending so he comes back?

Now I suppose it is possible a girl who does extras is in capable of using a computer or the internet, but I have doubts ;) I also suppose it is possible it is just so rare that none have ever found their way to SW, but again, I have doubts, given how common the grind is these days, not to mention extras. Or it could be, yep, it is a lot more common then anyone wants to say. After all, what would be the point of saying "hey, me, I grind until guys pop". All that would happen is she would have her virtual name smeared, called whore, and driven away.

Katrine
12-12-2007, 08:50 PM
But like I said, the other problem with threads like this one is that it invites a certain kind of entitlement oriented, bragging response and line of questioning, the gist of which is basically to point out that dancers don't need to pay for sex/orgasms, and men who do are thus sub-human losers.

Where was this stated? You made a ridiculous prediction, and Jenny and xcirce posted a response in jest.

What is entitlemtent oriented about the fact that women, not just strippers, don't need to pay for sexual stimulation? Its just a fact due to our biology.

lestat1
12-12-2007, 09:00 PM
^^^ I think it's a fact due to our (men's) biology. LOL

xdamage
12-12-2007, 09:03 PM
Where was this stated? You made a ridiculous prediction, and Jenny and xcirce posted a response in jest.


zyxcire was jesting. Jenny was not jesting and predictable that she would let us all know she doesn't need to pay to orgasm (although she may try to back peddle as she has done in the past when called out).

The prediction was thrown out to cut it off before it started, so had the desired effect.



What is entitlemtent oriented about the fact that women, not just strippers, don't need to pay for sexual stimulation? Its just a fact due to our biology.

You need to look up what the word means which I pasted below. The fact of having something is not entitlement. For example, I may have been lucky enough to be born tall, that is fact. However, if I get it in to my head that I am tall because I am a superior human, and go onto a board filled with short people and rub it in their face, then I would be showing an entitlement minded attitude. In other words, let us say your fact is correct. That in itself is not entitlement, but coming over to a board of men who do not have your biology, and believing you have it because you are special, exceptionally worth of the difference, and rubbing it the men's faces, would be an entitlement mindset.




Derivative: entitlement
noun
Having a right to something.Etymology: 14c.

Phrasal Verb: entitle someone to somethingTo give them a right to have or to do it.

Katrine
12-12-2007, 09:19 PM
I don't think that's the meaning of entitlement. And I do believe that Jenny was jesting. Why would women, especially dancers, brag about how easy it is to get laid? So fucking what? Just because we can doesn't mean we want it or its any good.

The day that sex has the same meanings and implications to men and women alike, is the day that we can start creating apples:apples comparisons.

So where is the entitlement? If I felt entitled, it would be a feeling that I SHOULD always have great, steamy sex at my command, any second of the day...because I'm a hot young chick with a vager.....no one is thinking that.

There is NO value for us in our ability to get fucked for free. How can you feel entitled to something you don't even want?

xdamage
12-12-2007, 09:50 PM
I don't think that's the meaning of entitlement.


What do you think the meaning of an entitlement oriented mindset is then?



And I do believe that Jenny was jesting.


Her track record says no. Also when people jest it is usually a good idea to use hints, like a winky, which zycire did. They also tend to use over the top language, again which zyxcire did.



Why would women, especially dancers, brag about how easy it is to get laid? So fucking what? Just because we can doesn't mean we want it or its any good.


You apparently haven't read here? But you have, so I don't know what is behind this. Why would a dancer come on to customer oriented site and brag - because it is an ego boost.




The day that sex has the same meanings and implications to men and women alike, is the day that we can start creating apples:apples comparisons.


Well, careful. What you say is generally true I think, but as always there are exceptions, and just like sex can have special meaning to some guys, it can be nothing but a score card to women. However I do like that you wrote this since it flies in the face of arguments that women enjoy casual sex every bit as much as men (which some do argue).



So where is the entitlement? If I felt entitled, it would be a feeling that I SHOULD always have great, steamy sex at my command, any second of the day...because I'm a hot young chick with a vager.....no one is thinking that.


Well I am sure it is sad being you. I wish I could click my fingers and have anything I want at any moment too, but I can't, so it is sad being me. But I don't think too many guys are going to shed tears for you about this, not when you have guys here who might spends months or years trying to find one sex partner of any sort, even one that is not so great.




There is NO value for us in our ability to get fucked for free. How can you feel entitled to something you don't even want?

And you speak for all women on the planet with this? None of them want it because you don't?

Katrine
12-12-2007, 10:30 PM
Well, careful. What you say is generally true I think, but as always there are exceptions, and just like sex can have special meaning to some guys, it can be nothing but a score card to women. However I do like that you wrote this since it flies in the face of arguments that women enjoy casual sex every bit as much as men (which some do argue).


Not really. Overall, women and men get different things out of a sexual experience, and/or have different goals. But not always. I fuck for sport all the time. Its not really what I want ideally.

Jenny
12-13-2007, 01:08 AM
I don't think that's the meaning of entitlement. And I do believe that Jenny was jesting. Why would women, especially dancers, brag about how easy it is to get laid? So fucking what? Just because we can doesn't mean we want it or its any good.
I was jesting. And I actually was talking about masturbating. Hence being alone in a room in under 5 minutes. When I'm with a partner I tend not to be alone in my room. Although I make no comment on my timing. It was just a joke - on how, indeed, no person NEEDS to pay for an orgasm.

lunchbox
12-13-2007, 03:40 PM
Funny how smug, self-righteous "people" can appear where you least expect them.
Being anonymous on the internet gives every a massive set of balls. Just look what it's done for Jenny.























I haven't been here in forever, and she hasn't got tired of busting those balls...

doc-catfish
12-13-2007, 06:12 PM
As far as why men pay for sex while women do not, I think Chris Rock summed it up best as a supply and demand issue:

"lt's damn near impossible for a man to turn down sex. lt's hard for a man to turn down sex. We can stop chasing it, and even that requires some rehab.
But it's hard for a man to stop.

lf it chase us, we can't run that fast. lt's gonna catch us, we're like: ''Shit, pulled a hamstring. You got me.''

You can't run that fast.

See, it's easy for women to turn down sex. lt ain't shit for y'all to turn down sex. lt ain't no thing for y'all to turn down sex.

Y'all like, ''Why can't you turn it down? l do it all the time. ''Why can't you say no? l say no.''

See, it's easy for y'all. You know why?

'Cause every woman in here, ever since you were 16, every guy you met
has been trying to fuck you. That's right. Women are offered dick every day.

Every woman in here gets offered dick at least three times a week. Three times a day, shit!

That's right,every time a man's being nice to you...all he's doing is offering dick. That's all it is.

''Can l get that for you? How about some dick?''

''Could l help you with that? Could l help you to some dick? ''Do you need some dick?''

Nobody offers us shit. We got to fend for ourselves. We can't believe it when we get an offer. We're like, ''Damn, this is my lucky day.''

Stringer
12-13-2007, 09:21 PM
'Cause every woman in here, ever since you were 16, every guy you met
has been trying to fuck you.
Actually, in that bit it is "ever since 13..."

Jenny
12-13-2007, 09:23 PM
Myth doc. I have gone through a week without being offered.. you know. Dick.