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ExoticEngineer
12-14-2007, 02:33 PM
am i the only one who enjoyed that hot dog story?
Not only did I enjoy it, but I totally got it.
What that girl may be new, and maybe she hasn't seen the kind of money we were all used to (the past tense there almost made me cry) that story was very pointed.
Nice.
PhillyDancer1982
12-14-2007, 02:38 PM
Fuck a whole bunch of THAT. It just isnt in my nature to let ANYONE disrespect me and get away with it. I just cant be that girl who smiles and says nothing and considers taking their money retribution. I might make more if I was. But I'd be adding an ulcer to my growing list of health complaints
I agree with you. In another thread, I wrote about how I stood up for myself to some dead-end customers(the fish just weren't biting with these guys!) and here is what someone(actually, a moderator) wrote:
What you are saying above is quite combative and it is never good to get into an argument with the customer if you want to make money. If you want to feel superior, fine, but I like Emily's example of playing dumb to wind up the smart one in the end. Let the cash be your satisfaction, not the swift comeback.
But what if there IS no chance of being satisfied with cash?? At that point, I'd be broke no matter how I'd react, but at least I could stand up for myself and keep my dignity. I also already wrote about how some customers seemed to WANT to challenge us to see if we had the balls to stand up to them(that's what a few dancers and the female manager at a former club said).
I can see where it wouldn't make sense to slight a customer with potential to spend, but if this guy is groping you as you walk by for the 10th time that night and not tipping or even keeping up with the 2drink minimum?...then what would be the point of putting up with it?
EDIT: You guys will probably say "If he's trying to grope you, get him kicked out." Well I love my club and the management, but the manager is usually very slow at kicking people out. He's a little too lenient. For example, on Wed night...it took over 3hrs for him to finally kick out the cokehead that literally tried to stick coke up my nose!
cameron_keys
12-14-2007, 03:02 PM
^^Yep. If I see little to no money potential from him I see NO reason to hold my tounge.
Even if I do..I've made quite a bit off guys who liked the fact that I stood up for myself and took them to task for being an asshole. So..whatever I guess.
The way I look at it..either you'll like me, smartass-ness and all..or you wont. I act in my movies...not in the club(at least ..not to the point of becoming a whole differant type of person who takes BS from peopel).
Optimist
12-14-2007, 03:39 PM
Our averages may have, in fact, decreased statistically, but it's still way more money (and fun) than we could possibly make/have while waitressing or something. So while it IS very much an individual situation when it comes to perspective, let's face it: if you're still dancing, then you still think the money is good enough to do it.
I wholeheartedly disagree. For smokin' chicks like us you can waitress in casinos, clubs, and fine restaurants and 4-5 consistent shifts WILL net the same kind of money most dancers make. You can work more days and net the same at the end without the harrassment and extortion.
I know that a lot of people think that "The Secret" is bs, but if nothing else, it will definitely lower your stress levels and project yourself in a very positive light. The whole "attitude of gratitude" theory, and visualization techniques described in the book & DVD (if you're new to The Secret, I recommend watching the DVD first, otherwise it might strike you as "culty"). Sorry 'bout the tangent.
I think it's good to go in to work with some kind of positive philosophy. My friend marvels at my cheeriness but she doesn't understand the power of positive thinking no matter what source you use. I like DW's cds and other sales books. If the secret makes you happy then go for it!
PhillyDancer1982
12-14-2007, 03:45 PM
^^Yep. If I see little to no money potential from him I see NO reason to hold my tounge.
Even if I do..I've made quite a bit off guys who liked the fact that I stood up for myself and took them to task for being an asshole. So..whatever I guess.
The way I look at it..either you'll like me, smartass-ness and all..or you wont. I act in my movies...not in the club(at least ..not to the point of becoming a whole differant type of person who takes BS from peopel).
Good...I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one that feels this way! }:D I cannot stand being super cheerful to guys that are clearly harassing me or insulting me. And I'm referring to guys that are in the strip club AS WELL AS guys in regular life.
misslizzy
12-14-2007, 11:05 PM
I'm with the group on this one. If I'm not going to make money on a guy, I'm not going to waste my time or my friendly disposition on him if he's a shit. You can never smile too much though. Especially when you're calling a custie on his crap.
PhillyDancer1982, I have to wonder if we weren't at the same NJ club at one point. High house fees, an insistence they they were the only adult business in NJ still making money when they really weren't... was it by chance Hott22?
Amber_Sparxx
12-15-2007, 03:51 AM
Optimist, you are 100% correct about having.....I dunno, something to put me in the correct frame of mind & keep me sane LOL! And where I'm at has no casinos, but I already travel a little over an hour to dance at a good club; do you think it would be worth it to travel that distance to work at a casino or fine restaurant?
Oh, and sorry to all the FL girls, I guess I was misinformed by a couple of people on SW, or maybe they were just the top earners where they were? Anyone there from Jacksonville? I work with someone that used to live out there.......maybe I'll get her perspective on it? Anyway, m'bad!:-[
Melonie
12-15-2007, 04:42 AM
Besides the fact that i live in Buffalo, NY and well..theres no money in this city...is there something going on every where
Uhm... don't the republicans lower taxes and provide help to businesses? I always thought that was their schtick. I assumed that during a Democrats reign that taxes would be way high, thus making oodles of people poorer.
During Reagan's terms weren't the yuppies insanely wealthy, doing blow, buying random cars and giving $1,000's to strippers?
Perhaps I watch too much American Psycho.
Buffalo NY clubs have three strikes against them ...
#1 Buffalo has been a heavily democratic town forever. This led to high social welfare benefits, high taxes, which in turn drove out a lot of 'middle class' people, corrupt local politicians etc. At the moment the City of Buffalo's finances are actually being run from the state capital (which IMHO doesn't help reduce political corruption levels one bit, but that's a whole 'nuther story !). Despite the high taxes the city of Buffalo has been flat broke for several years, allowing crime to rise and the city's neighborhoods to rot. Thus Buffalo now resembles Detroit in many ways ... rich suburbs surrounding a disgusting downtown (and of course none of the strip clubs are allowed to move to the suburbs !)
#2 - Buffalo is (or was) a huge union town, with some of the biggest Auto plants (like Delphi) and heavy manufacturing plants in the northeast. Between union wage demands and strict NY state environmental regulations these plants are all just about broke too ... leading to lots of layoffs and a high local unemployment rate - at least in terms of high paying jobs (where guys have enough money left after paying bills to buy a few lap dances).
#3 - on a club competitiveness level, the city of Buffalo saw fit to pass a local anti-strip club ordinance. At the same time, one mile across the Niagara river, Ontario clubs are able to offer alcohol plus full nudity plus full contact (and then some). Thus Buffalo guys on a budget are highly likely to cross over to clubs in Fort Erie Ontario to get more bang for their buck. Lately however the more difficult border security and the exchange rate losses on US$ versis CDN$ are cutting into borderhopping.
The only semi-decent earnings potential in the Buffalo area are the clubs near Buffalo airport ... which are outside the city limits (thus outside the jurisdiction of the city's anti-strip club law), and where a good portion of the customers are white collar business travellers.
In regard to falling dancer earnings potential as a wider issue, it's undeniable that our economy is in a downturn at least where 'middle class' club customers are concerned. Their paychecks aren't rising, while at the same time their gasoline cost, mortgage payment, property taxes, insurance costs, food costs etc. ARE rising. As white collar guys are forced to spend more money on these 'necessary' items, they have less money remaining for 'discretionary spending' ... and lap dances / VIP's certainly aren't 'necessary'.
Ironically, in the handful of NY clubs that don't depend on 'middle class' customers, business is booming right now. Of course you have to go all the way downstate to find them in Manhattan ... clubs that rely on 'rich' customers like bankers / brokers / lawyers / corporate bigwigs rather than on 'middle class' guys for their cash flow.
Also, some NY dancers have of course discovered that it is possible to pursuade cash strapped 'middle class' club customers to part with a few hundred dollars even if it will put them at risk of their being late on car payments / heating bills / credit card payments etc. However, this usually requires offering the customer more serious 'pursuasion' than just a lap dance !
On a national level, dancers' best bets for finding clubs that offer good earnings potential when the US economy slumps ....
1 - clubs anywhere that cater to 'rich' customers. Historically speaking, no matter how 'bad' the economy gets, the 'rich' always seem to have plenty of money to spend. One trick that I always used to use when planning road trips was to look up the census statistics for average income versus zip code ! This isn't always foolproof but it's a helpful indicator.
2 - clubs in cities where the local economy is largely funded by 'tax money' rather than private industry money. This usually means a city with big gov't research facilities, a huge state college, a big defense contractor etc. In general, tax money keeps being spent even when private industry money starts to dry up.
3 - clubs in cities where the local economy is actually growing as a result of foreign investment. This usually means a city with a new foreign car manufacturing plant etc. In general, even if money from US sources is hard to come by, foreign investors still seem to have plenty of money to go around - as do their US employees.
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velvet
12-15-2007, 03:04 PM
Oh, and sorry to all the FL girls, I guess I was misinformed by a couple of people on SW, or maybe they were just the top earners where they were? Anyone there from Jacksonville? I work with someone that used to live out there.......maybe I'll get her perspective on it? Anyway, m'bad!:-[
jacksonville IS still good. it's not overun with extras and isnt sesonal like the rest of florida.
Optimist
12-15-2007, 03:41 PM
Optimist, you are 100% correct about having.....I dunno, something to put me in the correct frame of mind & keep me sane LOL! And where I'm at has no casinos, but I already travel a little over an hour to dance at a good club; do you think it would be worth it to travel that distance to work at a casino or fine restaurant?
It's worth it when you are so burnt out or your area clubs are tanking. So if you have four or five star restaurants or very busy nightclubs in your area try them out! In NY and Miami for example you can expect to make $300 as a bartender in a busy club, you can make that in a four/five star restaurant. Beautiful women who can tolerate customers are
On a national level, dancers' best bets for finding clubs that offer good earnings potential when the US economy slumps ....
1 - clubs anywhere that cater to 'rich' customers. Historically speaking, no matter how 'bad' the economy gets, the 'rich' always seem to have plenty of money to spend. One trick that I always used to use when planning road trips was to look up the census statistics for average income versus zip code ! This isn't always foolproof but it's a helpful indicator.
2 - clubs in cities where the local economy is largely funded by 'tax money' rather than private industry money. This usually means a city with big gov't research facilities, a huge state college, a big defense contractor etc. In general, tax money keeps being spent even when private industry money starts to dry up.
3 - clubs in cities where the local economy is actually growing as a result of foreign investment. This usually means a city with a new foreign car manufacturing plant etc. In general, even if money from US sources is hard to come by, foreign investors still seem to have plenty of money to go around - as do their US employees.
Simply BRILLIANT.
mollyzmoon
12-15-2007, 04:46 PM
I think there is something to the whole 'government town' thing. We have so many gov't employees in Ottawa (obviously), and they always have money. The same money. And because of all our federal stuff, lots of out of town/ international customers are always dropping in. Working at a club surrounded by half a dozen hotels is my secret to consistent money.
Unfortunately, it also means many girls are at that little club. But if the money is there, I'm willing to compete for it.
Also, I totally agree with the attitude thing. Last night started off well, and then I had an awsome customer. With all the nice dudes I had danced for and lots of cash to boot, I was in an excellent mood. Which gave me another three very nice, very spendy guys. It just always seems that good luck snowballs, and that has to have something to do with my good cheer. When I've been harrassed by a customer, or generally mistreated, or just not making any money, I need to try to cheer myself up, stat. Or 'fake it until I make it'. I wish I were better at turning around the bad feelings, though. As it is, unless I've got a decent start to the night, it doesn't often get much better.
Anyway. Last night was the first $800+ I've had in a while (without working more than five hours, anyway...I can hit good money when I work longer hours, but that's too tough to keep up). I used to have those nights all the time. Hopefully they come back.
glambman
12-15-2007, 07:10 PM
I love how that out of all I had to say the only thing that was picked up on was my jab at Bush ...thats so sad .
BTW , Rebs have always been bad for "the little" people . The rich get richer and the poor get poorer .
The French revolution made the rich poor (some only temporarily) but did not make the poor rich.
Tax redistribution hurts everyone. Me from not being able to keep what I have legitimately earned, and the welfare recipient who is kept enslaved by idiots who keep giving her money even when her 6th kid had a kid. (OK, the Clinton/ Repub reform fixed that, but...)
If we got rid of most of the nonsensical programs, everyone would be better off. PERIOD!! More money in everyones pocket.
The funny part about your post is that in all studies, it is the conservatives who are the most generous donors. It seems the dumocrats are only generous with the money of others. And we all see how wasteful it is.
It seems to me that if someone takes a chance and it works out, he will be better off than someone who is not willing to take a chance (but willing to whine about the aforementioned). ::)
AlexxaHex
12-15-2007, 10:42 PM
Oh no! I am moving TO Buffalo this month. But I imagine it will get better again after the holidays. Which club are you working at?
Melonie
12-15-2007, 10:47 PM
^^^ I wouldn't count on that re Buffalo. Heating oil is at record high prices ... big property tax increases were just leveed ... Delphi is one step away from bankruptcy ...
AlexxaHex
12-15-2007, 10:53 PM
Well it can't be much worse than LA. I have been trying for months to get into a place where I can make $200 a shift without having to do extras. I haven't found it, so we have to move. Hell, a reliable 100 or 150 would be okay, but it's just not enough and I can't seem to make that every day.
Otherwise we can't even pay our bills, and we're not even close to living a luxury lifestyle. I can't remember the last time I bought clothes for myself other than a few cheap maternity sweatpants.
exotisch23
12-15-2007, 11:48 PM
"No money anywhere" is simply one persons perspective.
Maybe trying new things and not focusing on negatives will get you ahead.
That starts with not complaining about how bad it is.
virgoamm
12-16-2007, 02:25 AM
Yeah, my money has gone WAY down this year compared to last. It sucks donkey balls. Tonight was great though. *happydance* I had one customer that I did six dances for and he paid me for ten. Later on I did two dances for another guy and he paid me for five and said Merry Christmas! ;D
Hopefully it'll get better soon. *crosses fingers*
Melonie
12-16-2007, 12:59 PM
Hell, a reliable 100 or 150 would be okay, but it's just not enough and I can't seem to make that every day.
Otherwise we can't even pay our bills, and we're not even close to living a luxury lifestyle.
Well, if you can manage to get hooked up with one of the clubs located near Buffalo Airport (like Mademoiselles) you should consistently do better than $200 a shift ... a LOT better if your LA hotness factor is enough to draw extra attention. And you shouldn't have to worry about competing against 'extras'.
Also there's nothing preventing you from working in a Fort Erie Ontario club either, but it is a bit of a hassle to get a Canadian work visa these days. There will be LA-like 'extras' competition in the Canadian clubs, but a lot more money too (especially since the Canadian dollar is now even with the US dollar).
AlexxaHex
12-16-2007, 01:12 PM
Well, if you can manage to get hooked up with one of the clubs located near Buffalo Airport (like Mademoiselles) you should consistently do better than $200 a shift ... a LOT better if your LA hotness factor is enough to draw extra attention. And you shouldn't have to worry about competing against 'extras'.
Also there's nothing preventing you from working in a Fort Erie Ontario club either, but it is a bit of a hassle to get a Canadian work visa these days. There will be LA-like 'extras' competition in the Canadian clubs, but a lot more money too (especially since the Canadian dollar is now even with the US dollar).
I didn't mean to imply that I would be working IN Buffalo itself! I will probably be working at Mademoiselles, if not then the other club nearby (Ricks, I think?) will most likely be an option as well. I worked a shift at Madame's in 2006 and did very well.
What are the factors, if you know of any, that would prevent someone from obtaining the Canadian visa? I have no arrests or anything...I would like to try it out up there just to see the earnings potential. When I visited as a customer it was ALWAYS busy and money was flowing.
PhillyDancer1982
12-16-2007, 01:37 PM
PhillyDancer1982, I have to wonder if we weren't at the same NJ club at one point. High house fees, an insistence they they were the only adult business in NJ still making money when they really weren't... was it by chance Hott22?
No it wasn't Hott22, it was Bare Exposure in AC.
twoleftfeet
12-16-2007, 01:50 PM
I've been traveling around trying desperately to find if there's money anywhere. Starting to wonder if it was just ME?! Like, come on, I'm cute!! Nope, guess not ... girls are complaining everywhere.
Here's the problem: clubs are getting too greedy. They have ripped off too many customers, and they are charging more and more in house fees and hiring more girls to get more house fees. The word gets around: Strip clubs are a hustle and a waste of your money. Here's the other problem: girls are getting too desperate and doing things they shouldn't -- undercutting their prices and offering more extras just to get dances. The clubs are hiring way too many dancers, many with no entertainment value at all. I can't believe what girls are doing on stage for A DOLLAR these days. And in the lap dance area? You do not have to fuck the guy for 20 bucks!!
Has anyone else noticed that strippers do not look like women any more? They look like 12-year-olds boys.
let's all work together and maybe we can bring it back to how it used to be.
TheSexKitten
12-16-2007, 03:05 PM
I think it's the season.
Optimist
12-16-2007, 04:33 PM
Has anyone else noticed that strippers do not look like women any more? They look like 12-year-olds boys.
YUP!
let's all work together and maybe we can bring it back to how it used to be.
It's entirely in the hands of management.
cameron_keys
12-16-2007, 04:52 PM
No it wasn't Hott22, it was Bare Exposure in AC.
Ha...thats where my hubby had his bachelor party.
Amber_Sparxx
12-17-2007, 12:04 PM
"No money anywhere" is simply one persons perspective.
Maybe trying new things and not focusing on negatives will get you ahead.
That starts with not complaining about how bad it is.
Well, a lot of posts on this thread have been in regards to whether or not that is, in fact, the case. And yes, while focusing on the negatives will not get you ahead, most dancers will agree that times have gotten leaner than what we are accustomed to. The OP actually wanted to know if it was a regional problem or one that the entire industry felt. So in this case, we're comparing, not just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Oh, and NEVER underestimate the cathartic power of venting. Speaking of which, I'll be back......
Joplin
12-17-2007, 12:43 PM
I really liked the hot dog story too. With all this crap money talk tempting me to say 'fuck it' to working this month, I'm still willing to stick with it or to just work more. I'm a student and have no life, so honestly I have nothing better to do with my time this winter than work anyways. I've kept a positive mood and have been making more than normal. I think focusing on threads like this only make a shitty situation worse.
Melonie
12-17-2007, 01:51 PM
What are the factors, if you know of any, that would prevent someone from obtaining the Canadian visa?
boils down to Canadian politics and Canadian unemployment rate.
rileyfeme
12-29-2007, 06:43 PM
I'm doing ok right now. I was in NY state over the weekend and made BANK in Syracuse. Like, seriously. If one region of the country is doing better than others, I would say the midwest. I've done great in South Dakota and Nebraska, but I don't do that great in the southern states. FL, NC, SC, AL, KY, TN, they all have pretty much sucked ass lately.
I'm going to CT this week, so I'll report back after the weekend.
Where in syrucuse?
rileyfeme
12-29-2007, 07:28 PM
I think it's inevitable because the club owners and managers really believe they are in the brothel business. They don't do what's necessary to attract the guys who want a show. They do what's necessary to attract cheap, arrogant, ignorant, bottomfeeders. They're too stupid to make the connection that if we don't make money they don't. They raise fees too high so eventually only the most torn up, desperate girls will dance and the rest of us will just do something else.
I read comments on SCL and that is a big complaint about my club (2 of the main clubs are owned by the same person and i work at both). Luckly we dont have a floor fee (except if you work after 7pm, then your house dance is taken...and day or night, 5 dollars is taken out of every dance and goes to the club, plus a 2 dollar take on every dance...thanks New York State) but even the "no fee" doesnt save the night. The girls are getting worse, the guys are a nightmare, and the money is gone, gone, gone. In the 4 yrs ive been dancing (and before that i was a bartender in a strip club for 2 years) i look forward to the day after thanksgiving to the few days before new years. And it sucked. Nothing to look forward to anymore, damn it. Hell, ive been working a 7 hour shift @ one club then going to the other club and working another 7 hour shift, 2-3 times a week... with the only break being my drive there (however, it is a break from my dumbass boyfriend...lol). and the times i dont do a dble, i go in and work at least 8-9 hrs, the rest of the week. I'm getting f-ing bags under my eyes... im 26, f-ing sober bc im trying to get in law enforcem't and...well...you get it, and if it wasnt for my ADD medicine, id be passing out. WTF! still cant make it like i use to, and i was working 4 days a week ( and i mean day shift not night) for 7 hours...
Is this is it for us, girls? Either get a job in "real life " (and dont u act like u have never refered to outside the club as "real life" lol) or deal with it and all its bullshit, possibly lowering ourselves (which what alot of girls are doing these days to get that buck) just for our rent to be paid?!
--sorry had to bitch for a minute..now i feel better!
Miss Jessica
12-29-2007, 07:44 PM
SF fucking blows as well. As it has for months now.
rileyfeme
12-29-2007, 07:45 PM
The only semi-decent earnings potential in the Buffalo area are the clubs near Buffalo airport ... which are outside the city limits (thus outside the jurisdiction of the city's anti-strip club law), and where a good portion of the customers are white collar business travellers.
Also, some NY dancers have of course discovered that it is possible to pursuade cash strapped 'middle class' club customers to part with a few hundred dollars even if it will put them at risk of their being late on car payments / heating bills / credit card payments etc. However, this usually requires offering the customer more serious 'pursuasion' than just a lap dance !
~
So i do agree with you to an point.
1) i work at One of the clubs by the airport( and to clear that up its not Ricks or the new one that opened a few yrs ago) and yes we do get "white collar" but not the ones that will spend the money anymore ( i remember men coming on for a lay-over, getting a few dances and happily heading back home). Its still a nice club
2) yes, men like to go to Cananda but all of us buffaloians know that its fully nude, more contact and you can get a nice parting gift of a possible std to take home. :-)
3) NY dancers are not the only ones who will use "pursausian" to get a dance. Thats everywhere. it just depends on how bad the owners want the club to make money.
Paris
12-29-2007, 07:48 PM
Our private party business is doing extremely well. I don't know how things are at the clubs because I haven't danced at the club since last January.
The agency I work for has added dozens of new dancers and four new office personnel this year. We've also opened new locations in three new cities.
I guess guys are tired of the clubs and would rather have house parties. I have to turn down customers every week (We even booked up on 12/21 and 12/22 in most regions).
Maybe it is the smoking ban? Maybe the heavy handed hustle that the girls are forced into due to over scheduling? Maybe it is the cover charges?
Who knows? I'd like to hear from other agencies to see if their business is picking up too.
rileyfeme
12-29-2007, 07:48 PM
Oh no! I am moving TO Buffalo this month. But I imagine it will get better again after the holidays. Which club are you working at?
Mademoiselle's by the airport, and 24K Gold in the south towns
Sindi
12-29-2007, 08:38 PM
I'm glad you love it. I don't give a rats ass about Bush. I just theorize that a Democratic President would make things worse for dancers. That doesn't mean I don't vote my my heart and my head. It is just one aspect of things.
Melonie!!! Where for art Thou!!!
Well thats just not the way I see it , I danced back when Clinton was president and things were great . We had literally bus loads (tour buses) full of business men coming into the Foxy lady in Brockton MA , we made tons of money and things were great . Bush came into office , 9/11 happened and things have never been the same and in fact have gone down hill steadily . I guess we will just see what happens next ......Democrats have always kept the economy steady , even . I wont keep thread jacking though . :-X
Lysondra
12-29-2007, 10:24 PM
Our private party business is doing extremely well. I don't know how things are at the clubs because I haven't danced at the club since last January.
The agency I work for has added dozens of new dancers and four new office personnel this year. We've also opened new locations in three new cities.
I guess guys are tired of the clubs and would rather have house parties. I have to turn down customers every week (We even booked up on 12/21 and 12/22 in most regions).
Maybe it is the smoking ban? Maybe the heavy handed hustle that the girls are forced into due to over scheduling? Maybe it is the cover charges?
Who knows? I'd like to hear from other agencies to see if their business is picking up too.
The Private Party Industry is booming majorly here to with a steady decline in club money. Looks like men want the pretty girls to come to them now. :yes:
Corey
12-30-2007, 11:41 AM
i'd say the nights that i'm happy with might be great nights to others. think of it that way! if youre a good hustler or a top girl, your "ok" nights are probably better than most. i know that for me, on the weekends, i'm disappointed with $500. but thats based on my club, my normal earnings, and other things too, you know? im sure other girls would be happy to make that, both at my club and elsewhere.
Britt, I get what you are saying. I hear horror stories about the earnings that other girls put up with in So. Cali, particularly LA, but I don't compare my earnings to them or gloat because I might make more. I just want to go a bit beyond my quota and last fall until after Thanksgiving holiday (I took time off) I was doing it.
Update: I have found a new club with some decent $$$ potential. Let's see how long it lasts.
TheSexKitten
12-30-2007, 04:15 PM
My money started to get normal again near the end of the month, and I'll be back to work in a few days. I remain optimistic! SD (or my club... or me :D) ain't half bad anyway, considering we have 60 or so sexy Cali babes stuffed into a tiny club each night and I still manage to make decent dough.
Every time I complain I should just give myself a perspective/reality check. :)
ctstriptease1
12-31-2007, 07:46 PM
Our private party business is doing extremely well. I don't know how things are at the clubs because I haven't danced at the club since last January.
The agency I work for has added dozens of new dancers and four new office personnel this year. We've also opened new locations in three new cities.
I guess guys are tired of the clubs and would rather have house parties. I have to turn down customers every week (We even booked up on 12/21 and 12/22 in most regions).
Maybe it is the smoking ban? Maybe the heavy handed hustle that the girls are forced into due to over scheduling? Maybe it is the cover charges?
Who knows? I'd like to hear from other agencies to see if their business is picking up too.
I own an agency and had a kick ass year (I bought a Cadillac). It was definitely affected by the dwindling interest in strip clubs. Private parties are always going to remain strong, because people are going to get married, therefore are going to have bachelor parties. A night at the strip club will never compete with a private party, most stags have open bar, there are less restrictions regarding contact (which means more fun), and if done correctly (some girls at bachelor parties shove dildos in their pussy, ass, and eat each other out), a person will drop a shit load of money and feel like they got their monies worth. Of course, there is no guarantee the money at a party is always going to be great, but it is more consistent.
Speaking of monies worth, I'm hearing more that strip clubs are a complete rip. What is still so special about going to a strip club anyway, why exactly am I going there to give my money away when I can go to a night club and get the same entertainment for free? There is nothing "exotic" about exotic dancing anymore. Stripper culture and pop culture have now merged and is spelling "doom" for you club dancers. You could go to any night club and see girls hotter than most strippers, dressed half naked, and dancing like strippers. I'm a decent looking guy and I could have sex with these girls and spend less than I would on a champagne room.
TheSexKitten
01-01-2008, 11:36 PM
I'm sorry but I disagree with the comment that strippers as a whole look like 12-year-old boys... seriously, come on. Unless, of course, it's yet another one of the many derogatory words for "thin". ::)
maximvsv
01-02-2008, 12:59 AM
I think both parties have their pros and cons as far as helping the economy. Personally I am a Libertarian, so I adopt a little of both parties' views but most of my economic views are very capitalistic and rather Republican. Therefore, I agree with you that the Republicans' typical policies of lowering taxes and promoting business growth can help the economy.
However, I think the things that Bush is doing wrong with the economy include:
1) Investing a lot of money on the war in Iraq.
2) Supporting corporate welfare -- in which he gives absurd tax cuts and extra funding to the big wealthy businesses that don't really need it(i.e., Wal-Mart, Macy's, Aetna, etc), while giving much less to the small middle class mom-and-pop businesses(these businesses are crucial for defining a town and making it unique from others) or to all the people living in poverty. Oh yeah and where do you think all that corporate welfare comes from?...I doubt it comes from LOWERING our taxes.
I can't wait til Bush's fascist reign is over and done with! :D Then maybe things will improve and amongst other things, the dancers can start making REAL money again. In the meantime, I sympathize with you guys and the diminishing earnings. With dancer earnings (in general) sucking so bad these days, it almost seems pointless to even become a dancer unless you're doing it for something other than the money(i.e., exhibitionist tendencies, a passion for dancing, etc).
I'll go along with the "fascist" part. I don't think he's particularly good at being a fascist, though, and I think that may be his biggest problem.
Anyhow, the Iraq spending isn't the problem, nor is reducing corporate taxes. Both push money to be exchanged at a higher rate, so that the people who sell and make stuff get more money to buy more stuff to make and sell.
I think the biggest thing to affect strip club money has been the increase in oil costs, and not just because of the grosser effect of having to pay double or triple the immediate cost of shipping, but because the people who use oil in quantities that matter haven't adjusted their own prices to push the price changes along. Basically, there's this wave of inflation due, and all of the really large investors have been looking to tie things up into bonds, where the cash/value just sits. The purchase money keeps going, but it doesn't generate new value in the transaction. As long as it's sidelined into something that doesn't continue trading or growing, it doesn't fuel anything new, and the business whose bonds were bought still has to make and sell stuff to pay the interest portion due on the bond.
Once prices equalize, people will put the money back into circulation, since they think that the value won't be so volatile at that point.
The next biggest thing to affect strip club money has been the change in the clubs' perception. The experience isn't risque enough to be as exciting an idea as it used to be. Now, people are finding a bigger titillation through gambling. Everyone thinks they can suddenly play poker or pick horses. Meanwhile, the clubs are becoming the sort of place where you take a date.
PhillyDancer1982
01-02-2008, 11:49 AM
Has anyone else noticed that strippers do not look like women any more? They look like 12-year-olds boys.
Yes I've noticed that too...and when I first started dancing, I was one of those "12-yr-old boys"...which is one of the reasons why I got breast implants and started wearing heavier make-up not long after I started! ;D I noticed that since then, I fit the "type" that more customers were looking for and it helped me to make more money.
I'm not saying that ALL small-boobed strippers should go the surgery route, but I do think that more of them should consider it if they want to be stripping(and making really good money) for a while longer. In my opinion, nearly flat chests only look good on a handful of dancers...usually the very petite ones whose small boobs are proportionate to their figure, or the ones that have a young "schoolgirl look" but a nice curvy butt/hips. Ditto goes for the no-makeup look that I'm seeing more and more(probably due to laziness of not wanting to spend a lot of time getting dressed up pre-shift)...only a handful can pull it off well.
Tallulah
01-02-2008, 12:42 PM
wish id danced whilst i was at university few years ago, the industry is odd nowadays and the money is sporadic no matter what kind of dancer you are.
Id say ignore the economists and conmentators just ask strippers what the economic climate is like and from what we see they could predict a whole lot more!
madmaxine
01-02-2008, 12:56 PM
The Midwest is decent (appreciative audiences and little to no mileage, depending on the club/city/state)
I am going to slug it out as a dancer, I have bills to pay, dammit.
Tallulah
01-02-2008, 01:03 PM
what joplin said about not having a life and so going to work anyway! Thats so like me! How sad! But you are a student no? So surely you have plenty of life really! Im reluctant to stop as have no idea how to get a life now!