View Full Version : How to make friends and influence customers
threlayer
12-16-2007, 10:42 AM
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...Customers know how they like being served for themselves - that's all. Like Starbucks - they are interested in your experience with their staff, but that hardly mean that they think the average customer is well positioned to tell them how to run a franchise....
If not - then you're just some guy talking about what he likes. Which is fine and all... but.... this is your first post. Why would we care? Just honestly. None of us know you; I'm sure you're a delightful and interesting fellow but why would we care about these preferences of yours?
FIRST a simile.... I bought a coffee from Starbucks only once. I asked for a mild (not dark) blend and stated that I did not know any of their coffee line names, so they gave me a recommendation, just a line name. They delivered a very dark roast coffee. I complained and they took it back saying that I ordered it that way. Well, I eventually got something better suitred to me, but I have NEVER returned to Starbucks. Bad attitude and bad coffee.
My advice to them is to have a mild line or two and listen to customers, but they are making money anyway--lots more than I can make. So let them. Other coffee shops get my business instead. No point in telling Starbucks how to run their business. It's not my business.
FINALLY if you find some ideas in the OP, fine. If not, why not just leave it alone. Starbucks could well have told me that they know their business better than I do. Yes. But I know my business better than they do.
Get what I'm trying to say? I hope it helps, really.
Jenny
12-16-2007, 12:21 PM
Get what I'm trying to say? I hope it helps, really.Unless it's that I use too many obtuse metaphors when I try to explain things - no, I don't. What are you trying to say?
red red red
12-16-2007, 02:18 PM
My advice to them is to have a mild line or two and listen to customers, but they are making money anyway--lots more than I can make. So let them. Other coffee shops get my business instead. No point in telling Starbucks how to run their business. It's not my business.
Get what I'm trying to say? I hope it helps, really.
Yes. It is the same thing everyone else is trying to say. While you may be very interested in the unique, special service you receive at a strip club, the strip club employees are naturally far more concerned with an overall probability of success with a wide range of customers and won't miss you much if you decide never to return. So, you're right. Happy?
threlayer
12-16-2007, 02:29 PM
^^ What you said. With the implicit understanding that whatever you do you cannot please all the customers all the time; but you must please SOME of them some of the time.
red red red
12-16-2007, 03:59 PM
^^ What you said. With the implicit understanding that whatever you do you cannot lease all the customers all the time; but you must please SOME of them some of the time.
I'm with you on that. Fostering a good base of regulars depends on giving each of them an experience that they can at least feel is tailored for their specific, unique pleasures. Personally, I don't really "do" the whole regulars thing. There are exceptions, but normally I like a more straightforward, fresh meat, S&D game.
I also like the "walk slowly" advice given by the OP. I think he's right on the money with that one. If it doesn't help you get lapdances by announcing your availability, it sure as hell LOOKS better.
glambman
12-16-2007, 05:04 PM
my butt crack itches should i scratch it ?
Put a plug in it.
jester214
12-16-2007, 06:58 PM
While I have to say I think the OP really went about this in the wrong way, and really should have not put his unsolicitied advice out there in the first place... And that I understand completly why some of you were annoyed (I was annoyed just by the tone)...
He really doesn't come off as bad as some of the responders do. I don't think he was trying to be insulting, although he might have been a little, whereas some you just fired off an insult. Plus, how many of you need to make some kind of sarcastic, or even flat out, "we know how to do our jobs already" statement?
Thirdly, and this'll probably piss some people off... Atleast he's not just agreeing with whatever you say, and kissing your ass, like some of the guys seem to on here. Someone referenced his having so much free time to go post on stripperweb, I don't see anyone saying that to the other guys?
If you really don't want to hear the occasional male comment, thats not completley flattering, then make this females only...
kaiarose
12-16-2007, 07:15 PM
While I have to say I think the OP really went about this in the wrong way, and really should have not put his unsolicitied advice out there in the first place... And that I understand completly why some of you were annoyed (I was annoyed just by the tone)...
He really doesn't come off as bad as some of the responders do. I don't think he was trying to be insulting, although he might have been a little, whereas some you just fired off an insult. Plus, how many of you need to make some kind of sarcastic, or even flat out, "we know how to do our jobs already" statement?
Thirdly, and this'll probably piss some people off... Atleast he's not just agreeing with whatever you say, and kissing your ass, like some of the guys seem to on here. Someone referenced his having so much free time to go post on stripperweb, I don't see anyone saying that to the other guys?
If you really don't want to hear the occasional male comment, thats not completley flattering, then make this females only...
I smell a troll.
jester214
12-16-2007, 07:22 PM
I promise you I'm not, I just hate to see someone get ganged up, always been that way. Especially if I don't think they totally deserved it...
AznExtasy
12-16-2007, 07:44 PM
This thread is funny. When my butt crack itches, I usually scratch it.
Jenny
12-16-2007, 08:04 PM
While I have to say I think the OP really went about this in the wrong way, and really should have not put his unsolicitied advice out there in the first place... And that I understand completly why some of you were annoyed (I was annoyed just by the tone)...
He really doesn't come off as bad as some of the responders do. I don't think he was trying to be insulting, although he might have been a little, whereas some you just fired off an insult. Plus, how many of you need to make some kind of sarcastic, or even flat out, "we know how to do our jobs already" statement?
Technically - probably only one of use. But then we'd fight over who got to do it. We all like to contribute, you see.
And again - he likely does come across "as that bad" to you, because you're not the one he is condescending to. Just something to consider. Also note - it's not like he said "Gosh, I had no idea that I might come across that way. You're right - I'm talking pretty much about what I like as a customer." On the contrary - he informed us that he knew what he was talking about, and while it was obvious that all customers weren't exactly the same, seemed pretty damn certain that he knew more about strip club customers in general than we did.
Thirdly, and this'll probably piss some people off... Atleast he's not just agreeing with whatever you say, and kissing your ass, like some of the guys seem to on here. Someone referenced his having so much free time to go post on stripperweb, I don't see anyone saying that to the other guys?
Okay this hardly seems fair. We're getting in trouble for disagreeing with him, but are meant to be all tolerant of people disagreeing with us?
We don't require constant agreement and ass kissing. The only people who think we do are the bitter loser assholes. What we require is a) some good judgment on what is appropriate to post, b) some sense that the fact that you are a man and a customer does not qualify you to do our job better than we do. Detailing what you like is one thing and it is perfectly acceptable (so long as it conforms to criteria (a)); telling us "the best way to do things" rubs us the wrong way.
If you really don't want to hear the occasional male comment, thats not completley flattering, then make this females only...But then we'd miss out on the flattery. Okay - on the same theme. Based on what is above - do you think that the people who actually have more than two posts really want your ideas on the best way to run this board? If you are interested there are many threads on why this board has the gender distribution it has.
This thread is funny. When my butt crack itches, I usually scratch it.
I agree it is funny. But now you have made it serious and all by talking about your butt crack. I mean, guys can't help but notice your avatar. And get some resultant wood. You really should step back and contemplate your ability to impact us in such a significant way.
FBR
jester214
12-16-2007, 08:58 PM
Technically - probably only one of use. But then we'd fight over who got to do it. We all like to contribute, you see.
And again - he likely does come across "as that bad" to you, because you're not the one he is condescending to. Just something to consider. Also note - it's not like he said "Gosh, I had no idea that I might come across that way. You're right - I'm talking pretty much about what I like as a customer." On the contrary - he informed us that he knew what he was talking about, and while it was obvious that all customers weren't exactly the same, seemed pretty damn certain that he knew more about strip club customers in general than we did.
Okay this hardly seems fair. We're getting in trouble for disagreeing with him, but are meant to be all tolerant of people disagreeing with us?
We don't require constant agreement and ass kissing. The only people who think we do are the bitter loser assholes. What we require is a) some good judgment on what is appropriate to post, b) some sense that the fact that you are a man and a customer does not qualify you to do our job better than we do. Detailing what you like is one thing and it is perfectly acceptable (so long as it conforms to criteria (a)); telling us "the best way to do things" rubs us the wrong way.
But then we'd miss out on the flattery. Okay - on the same theme. Based on what is above - do you think that the people who actually have more than two posts really want your ideas on the best way to run this board? If you are interested there are many threads on why this board has the gender distribution it has.
(I'm not sure how to break things up like you did, so this is a bit rougher than than your post)
a. If you notice, I did say I think what he did was wrong, and that the tone did annoy me, just because it wasn't directed at me doesn't mean something doesn't bother me. And after reading someone else saying that in a bunch of other posts, it seems right to stop, but I guess I'm guilty of that too.
b. Again you seem to think that I condone what he said, and hate everything else. Not true, I simply think some people's responses were quite harsh, especially since I don't think he MEANT any harm.
c. I know you don't require it, although few people, male or female, don't enjoy being flattered. I was just saying it seems to be how a lot of the men on here operate. If that's what they want to do fine, but it kind of makes it hard for someone to put out an opinion, regardless of if the opinion was warranted or not.
d. I'm not telling anyone how to "run this board", my last comment was trying to point out the fact that I don't think everyone was being fair. And while I know this makes me no expert, just because I only have 2 posts, doesn't mean I haven't been reading on here for quite a long time.
e. Don't get me wrong, I think the vast majority of you are great; kind and intelligent. Hell, you obviously made a smarter career descision than me, I really don't like my job and probably don't make near as much as a lot of you. Without SC's and Strippers, I'd spend most nights alone in hotels in different small towns and cities (or drinking in some bar... )
You ladies make the traveling I have to do so much more enjoyable. I just hate to see somebody be ganged up on and insulted for, atleast in his mind, trying to help.
Jenny
12-16-2007, 09:37 PM
Okay Jester, thank you for clarifying. I think when I said that "it doesn't seem AS bad to you" I meant that our response may seem worse than his post to you because in his post he is condescending to us, not you. I realize that it doesn't have to entail a full on approval. Guys who are 'trying to help' are not generally welcomed here if their "help" entails condescension. You may have any opinion of this that you wish. We tolerate condescension based on male, customer status at work because we are paid for it. Here nobody is paying for it, so we get super-irritable if we are expected to tolerate it anyway - we have the idea that such tolerance is worth something. So something that "doesn't seem so bad" to you, to us is might be pretty freaking annoying and well worth taking the piss out of the poster. The fact that "he didn't MEAN any harm" is not necessarily determinative; it was still offensively condescending and presumptuous. I see your point of view - but that is ours.
Your last comment was "... why don't you make it female only". Of course, in the context on the conversation it ran as "if we find the OP's comment so intolerable we should consider making the board female only." I'm having difficulty seeing that as "not everyone is being fair." If you re-read it definitely comes across as board running instruction than a comment on fairness. After all - what does "you're not all being fair" have to do with "you should make the board female only if you don't like this kind of post"?
Thank you. But please consider what I said above - the fact that he was trying to help doesn't mean that his contribution to this board has not and would not continue to be annoying and offensive to us. Indeed, I think he established nicely in his subsequent posts that it was not merely a phrasing error, and was in fact a legitimate reflection of his feelings.
doc-catfish
12-17-2007, 08:14 AM
Atleast he's not just agreeing with whatever you say, and kissing your ass, like some of the guys seem to on here.
Well, sometimes we happen to agree with the ladies (and sometimes not). Its calling things like we see them, not kissing ass.
Someone referenced his having so much free time to go post on stripperweb, I don't see anyone saying that to the other guys?
You apparently haven't been around very long, at least not under this alias.
If you really don't want to hear the occasional male comment, thats not completley flattering, then make this females only...
If you read the forum description that would kind of render the CC board pointless.
Damn, and to think that you went to the trouble of making this user account (my guess not your only one) just to derail a single thread on a stripper forum. I'd have blown it off and got back to my Christmas shopping, but hey thats just me.
Phil-W
12-17-2007, 12:05 PM
c. I know you don't require it, although few people, male or female, don't enjoy being flattered. I was just saying it seems to be how a lot of the men on here operate. If that's what they want to do fine, but it kind of makes it hard for someone to put out an opinion, regardless of if the opinion was warranted or not.
The are two conected boards here. Stripperweb (pink) and Strib Club Junkie (blue).
Pink is predominatly for dancers and blue for customers. Both boards have their own etiquette. Post for a while on the pink board and you'll gradually learn the dancers' unspoken rules. What you call flattery might just be knowing what form of post is acceptable on pink from the male of the species.
If you want a blunt exchange of opinions with some of the dancers who post on pink, you'll find some also post on the blue site. Fewer rules down there, but the dancers that post are generally pretty capable of sticking up for themselves.
Me personally, I try and stay within the ladies limits on pink - it's *their* board after all.
Phil.
cameron_keys
12-17-2007, 12:29 PM
As you can see....its it generally just not a good idea to give tips to people about a job you've never done and know nothing about outside of your tiny personal experiences as a customer.
Whether or not you are tryng to help..you will come off condescending and pretentious...which isnt the best way to make friends and influence strippers
jester214
12-17-2007, 12:32 PM
The are two conected boards here. Stripperweb (pink) and Strib Club Junkie (blue).
Pink is predominatly for dancers and blue for customers. Both boards have their own etiquette. Post for a while on the pink board and you'll gradually learn the dancers' unspoken rules. What you call flattery might just be knowing what form of post is acceptable on pink from the male of the species.
If you want a blunt exchange of opinions with some of the dancers who post on pink, you'll find some also post on the blue site. Fewer rules down there, but the dancers that post are generally pretty capable of sticking up for themselves.
Me personally, I try and stay within the ladies limits on pink - it's *their* board after all.
Phil.
Thanks, I appreciate that explanation. I also really appreciate that you gave me an explanation, rather than an insult, or some accusations.
As to the post of above yours, no need for me to even respond...
threlayer
12-18-2007, 09:39 AM
I dunno. It sounds a bit like gang warfare to me. I'm just an advice giver, I guess.
Silverback
12-18-2007, 11:12 AM
As you can see....its it generally just not a good idea to give tips to people about a job you've never done and know nothing about outside of your tiny personal experiences as a customer.
He may have been fooled by all those businesses that hand out, leave out, mail out, and email out customer satisfaction survey forms. He may believe that there is someone who actually reads them. He may believe that the business might change its practices as a result of them. He should know buy now that all they are is a superficial attempt at giving the customer a false sense of importance so that they keep coming back in and spending more money. I mean, everyone knows that, right?