View Full Version : What's with the attitudes?
Jenny
01-17-2008, 09:14 PM
It's true. My life is filled with guys I could beat in an arm wrestle. I crave a firm, masculine hand.
mr_punk
01-17-2008, 09:29 PM
Hey Jenny, are you tie-dying your panties? you certainly have them bunched up enough to do so. Lighten up a bit, Pretty Woman is just a movie, no need to be offended by it.ROTFLMAO...you know, a feminist would say your post is a typically dismissive and patriarchial response. BTW, thanks for the laugh.
and no, not all feminists are touchy like that. We don't all share your narrowmindedness. And we can like Pretty Woman! Amazing the different types of people that can share that somewhat broad term.uh oh, let's have a moment of silence for FG. at this very moment, jenny is probably contacting the NOW hit squad to put out a contract on FG for betraying the sisterhood.
Furthermore, whether Canadian, American, Australian or Zimbabwean, polite is just that, the opposite of rude, in any nation. You are a poor example of Canadian goodwill, in my observations.actually, she's a typical canadian. the popular image of canadian politeness is a complete PR scam. they are very uptight about the politeness and the courtesy. however, the caveat is this only applies to the other party not themselves. which is why canadians are, generally speaking, the most whiny, candy-ass citizens in the free world.
Wouldn't it be better and smarter to spend your money elsewhere? The exception would be if I had brought dances from her before and could see she was having a bad night. Otherwise, I run from crabby strippers just about as quickly as Jenny would run from mr. p's lubed-up finger.okay, but that's not a very compelling exception. i guess there really is no shortage of guys willing to bail girls out.
Your comment about Punk and Jenny got me thinking, though. Call me crazy but I'm not so sure she would run. I am having this visual of the Punkster whipping out the Astrolube to begin the foreplay and Jenny proceeding to de-construct every one of his moves. I suspect within a couple of minutes he would be the person runningwrong, FBR. i would run and scream for my life! it wouldn't take a couple of minutes either. my eyes will start wildly looking for an exit after 30 seconds of listening to a whiny canadian lecture me on politeness, sensitivity, the patrichary or feminist dogma.
Amber_Sparxx
01-17-2008, 09:36 PM
And for the record, I don't feel that Rick was completely out of line. I would've done the same. I am unimpressed when I don't get appreciation for a tip given to a dancer in the sc when I'm a customer, or when I get bad service in a restaurant. Tonight, in fact, I alerted a manager and left an establishment b/c of bad service. That's how I feel about that.
Phil-W
01-18-2008, 12:19 PM
...I run from crabby strippers just about as quickly as Jenny would run from mr. p's lubed-up finger.
I rather wonder how like our 'SW' personalities we are in real life? The anonymity of a board such as this does confer a certain degree of courage in what we post.
If I take the example of Jenny, I suspect the good old "feminist dogma" goes on the back burner while working. Here, she can post what she likes without fear of it impacting on her earnings. (And i've not forgotten the "I love irony" tag, which I suspect permeates many of her posts).
Ditto myself - I'd like to think my posts project a certain image, but I suspect if I got 10 of you around a table, and asked you for your opinion, you might come up with a rather different interpretation.
So what would happen IRL, if we bumped into each other and were unaware of it - certainly less dramatic that fleeing from mr_p's digit.
Phil.
hockeybobby
01-18-2008, 11:16 PM
^^ Jenny would like you more if you just..you know..did it. Without permission. She likes assertive, manly men.
FBR
Alrighty...I think I'm gettin' the hang of this now FBR. See below.
Oh yeah, also, I don't even care that this is off topic. Whadaya think about THAT?
Hb
Alrighty...I think I'm gettin' the hang of this now FBR. See below.
Oh yeah, also, I don't even care that this is off topic. Whadaya think about THAT?
Hb
Good job, hb. I would nix the disclaimer/explanation, though. I mean, if you believe you have to explain it, you are assuming she doesn't understand. That will really piss her off ;)
FBR
hockeybobby
01-19-2008, 12:14 AM
Good job, hb. I would nix the disclaimer/explanation, though. I mean, if you believe you have to explain it, you are assuming she doesn't understand. That will really piss her off ;)
FBR
Awww she understands humour well enough (even in it's lowest forms). But thanks for lookin' out for a dude.
Jenny
01-19-2008, 07:23 AM
Wow; I am strangely impressed with this virile display of masculinity via web sig. I bet you also rescue puppies from traffic accidents in your spare time, yes?
FBR - it's like you're inside my head, dude. I mean, really you're just telling people "Jenny hates everything" but you've got some disconcerting accuracy going on.
hockeybobby
01-19-2008, 09:00 AM
Oh yeah Jenny, I rescue puppies all the time from all sorts of mayhem. And they're always so darn grateful too. They just need a firm, masculine hand now and then to keep them on the striaight and narrow.
InLoveWithaStripper
01-19-2008, 04:52 PM
Well gosh. Thank you for letting me know that deconstructing pop culture was not necessary to keep the earth turning and gravity turned on. That is helpful information. Dude - seriously. If you're not interested in the pop culture analysis you might as well just skip all of my posts. I even promise that if you do I won't be offended.
Yeeaahhh... see, here's the thing. I personally don't find trying to elicit a particular behaviour from someone to be a) challenging or b) elucidating or c) interesting. Nor do I get a smug sense of my own superiority when I do - because, after all, humans are social and tend to conform to social rules. But you know - you find what you find interesting - playing lame mind games with your coworkers - and I find what I find interesting - subjecting Pretty Woman to more analysis that it was reasonably expecting to endure. Really, I think we both look pretty foolish to outsiders - but hey. I stand by my hobbies.
Then it's kind of a shame that you don't amuse me at all. You should probably... you know. Do something about that. Quick. Say something funny.
....Something Funny.......
No, Jenny, you get you smug sense of your own superiority by trying to use big words like elucidate. How much do you have to work in order to afford all of those "five dollar words"? It isn't challenging, elucidating, nor does it deliver a any sort of sense of superiority. It's merely seeing how different people work. Like looking at the inner workings of an engine or grandfather clock. Seeing what makes it tick (ok maybe somewhat elucidating on some level). Guess I'm "lame" like that. But a better way to show your intelligence than using big words that we still understand, is not to engage "lame" people like me. So hurry, hurry, string together some more palaverous turns of phrase, or would "garrulous" be a more appropriate moniker? Loquacious? Prating? Pleonastic, even! Heavens to Merkatroid!
Jenny
01-19-2008, 05:06 PM
Oh my gosh. Are you seriously all irritable right now because you had to look up one of my words? That's just... sad.
Believe it or not, my friend, my sense of superiority has nothing to do with my vocabulary. And I actually never once even considered how threatened someone else might feel by "big words." So, um - sorry if that was insensitive. But - back to the real issue - that post was kind of pitiable, but not at all amusing. Do you think you could try again?
InLoveWithaStripper
01-19-2008, 10:42 PM
LOL @ Jenny, you fell for it! OMG! ROFL and no, i didnt have to look anything up. you come off as arrogant in your posts often times (i.e. who cares that a scene from pretty woman offends you, so what?). Your "eloquence" only furthers that appearance. Just an observation.......not an irritation though! :P Silly Goose! :P
SportsWriter2
01-20-2008, 06:56 PM
who cares that a scene from pretty woman offends you, so what?
Well, it was an interesting deconstruction. I thought of a dancer who asked if we could go to the beach, then said she only had thongs. :-\
fancygirl
01-21-2008, 07:45 PM
I don't know what the true facts are about Rick's encounter, but I do think his social experiment in discourtesy, if it happened as described, is pointless. To borrow Jenny's analogy about homeless people being poor, it's usually safe to assume rude strippers aren't going to suddenly turn into beaming lap dance angels because of my attention or money. So why waste your time unless you get your jollies by manipulating people. Wouldn't it be better and smarter to spend your money elsewhere? The exception would be if I had brought dances from her before and could see she was having a bad night. Otherwise, I run from crabby strippers just about as quickly as Jenny would run from mr. p's lubed-up finger.
Two points: if the club is jumping with custies and dancers, you go where the easy money and the best dancers are. If the club is slow, then yes-- I'd be willing to approach a homeless dancer, say hello, chit-chat for a minute and keep going-- so if he does have money, then he'd spend it on me rather on people who ignore him. (And, following the idea of our jobs as "hostesses" here to encourage people to have a good time, as long as there is money involved, ignoring people who look like they don't have money is being rude. As a dancer, you don't know if someone has money. As far as Jenny's experimentation with people who look broke-- seems a little bit of a double standard. We trade goodwill & sexuality for money. If Jenny can test a guy to see if he has money (and then yank back goodwill in the form of attention when he is broke), then Rick can test a dancer to see if she has goodwill & sexuality. The only way that this doesn't equal out is that Rick didn't yank back his money in the same way Jenny yanks her attention from homeless people. He actually gave money in order to encourage the dancer to change the way she went about the goodwill & sexuality exchange later.
Would it be a little perverse if the club is jumping? Yeah, but there was only three dancers and the scene was dead. And I can get cranky when it's dead, and I've had a few guys come over to me to cheer me up a little bit (or just give me money which does the same thing.) Guess what? Cranky dancer is not cranky anymore when there is a customer in front of her.
Rick didn't do anything wrong. Personally, Jenny's response is extremely out of character for her-- I don't get what's gone on in the past between her and Rick, but seriously, we already know Jenny's not going to change her mind. I don't think that has anything to do with reasoning it out. And once a discussion has reached that point on SW, there's really no point reading it because there is no absorption of the other side's opinion.
To me, Jenny is acting emotionally and not logically. And to her, my position is evidently not to her standards of "feminism."
Oh well. Accept each other for what we think the other's strengths are, rather than focus on the weaknesses.
xdamage
01-21-2008, 08:15 PM
To me, Jenny is acting emotionally and not logically. And to her, my position is evidently not to her standards of "feminism."
DUDE!!! I <3 you!!!
Jenny
01-21-2008, 08:43 PM
Two points: if the club is jumping with custies and dancers, you go where the easy money and the best dancers are. If the club is slow, then yes-- I'd be willing to approach a homeless dancer, say hello, chit-chat for a minute and keep going-- so if he does have money, then he'd spend it on me rather on people who ignore him. (And, following the idea of our jobs as "hostesses" here to encourage people to have a good time, as long as there is money involved, ignoring people who look like they don't have money is being rude. As a dancer, you don't know if someone has money. As far as Jenny's experimentation with people who look broke-- seems a little bit of a double standard. We trade goodwill & sexuality for money. If Jenny can test a guy to see if he has money (and then yank back goodwill in the form of attention when he is broke), then Rick can test a dancer to see if she has goodwill & sexuality. The only way that this doesn't equal out is that Rick didn't yank back his money in the same way Jenny yanks her attention from homeless people. He actually gave money in order to encourage the dancer to change the way she went about the goodwill & sexuality exchange later.
Okay. I object to the comparison; I think a more apt comparison to the way Rick behaved is the behaviour (that we've heard talk of) of a dancer going up to a guy she already doesn't think is going to spend money, putting on a show of asking and then bitchily informing him that he shouldn't be in the club if he isn't spending money. If all Rick did was say to himself "That was an unappealing approach; I think I'm going to sit back down" then none of this would be happening.
As per homeless customers - you and I have different approaches. I was kind of derisive before; but really. If you want to try homeless customers to see if they have money - I have no objection. I don't think you can have a principled objection to me declining, however. It is my personal evaluation that it is not a profitable endeavour.
Would it be a little perverse if the club is jumping? Yeah, but there was only three dancers and the scene was dead. And I can get cranky when it's dead, and I've had a few guys come over to me to cheer me up a little bit (or just give me money which does the same thing.) Guess what? Cranky dancer is not cranky anymore when there is a customer in front of her.
Sure... but not a homeless customer. I also don't bother with regulars who have said no to me repeatedly in the past. If you want to - that's okay. It is not how I choose to work.
Personally, Jenny's response is extremely out of character for her-- I don't get what's gone on in the past between her and Rick, but seriously, we already know Jenny's not going to change her mind.
Oh come on. Again - that is just dismissive; that is not reasoned or analytical at all. Like you write out above a comparison, and I outline why I disagree with your comparison. I don't just say "you're wrong" and expect you to change your mind. Because that is not a particularly compelling argument.
I don't think that has anything to do with reasoning it out. And once a discussion has reached that point on SW, there's really no point reading it because there is no absorption of the other side's opinion.
Again - no offence, but I do think I actually responded to your points - although our major point of contention seemed to be in Pretty Woman, and I have no idea why you got so mad about that. At no point did I just say "Well fancygirl just as weird issues and can't be expected to be treated like an intelligent woman" did I? I mean, I use satire because I think I'm funny, but I don't just dismiss what you said. I do read it and absorb it even if it is only to critique it. Also note - I have not yet centered a critique of your post around what I think of you as a person. You might go back and consider if the same is true for you.
To me, Jenny is acting emotionally and not logically. And to her, my position is evidently not to her standards of "feminism."
Oh come on. Okay, you may not know this. I say "feminists are touchy" a lot. It is self-deprecating humour; it is not meant to target you or any other woman. But it is not easy for me to respect you as someone with an interest in hearing and responding to an argument when, because I have a different opinion on a scene from Pretty Woman you start twirling around personal accusations. If that is what set this off - like I said. It wasn't targeting you.
Oh well. Accept each other for what we think the other's strengths are, rather than focus on the weaknesses.
Well... I appreciate the sentiment... but how well are you doing at that really? I mean if you review this thread?
mr_punk
01-21-2008, 08:46 PM
what?! FG avoided capture by the Grrrl death squad. whew, that's a relief.
xdamage
01-21-2008, 09:09 PM
what?! FG avoided capture by the Grrrl death squad. whew, that's a relief.
The night is still young ;)
InLoveWithaStripper
01-23-2008, 08:42 AM
what?! FG avoided capture by the Grrrl death squad. whew, that's a relief.
LOL, I gave her some of my patriarchal dismissive-ness.
Feminist Kryptonite!! Bwahahaha!!!
hockeybobby
01-23-2008, 12:00 PM
LOL, I gave her some of my patriarchal dismissive-ness.
Feminist Kryptonite!! Bwahahaha!!!
uh oh. Dude, patriarchal dismissiveness aint gonna make her all weak and defenseless. That's precisely the sort of stuff that pisses her off man. Better keep yer head up. ;)
hb
PhillyDancer1982
02-03-2008, 10:49 PM
In the club - probably a combination of having a bad night, irritation at some old, really dirty and unattractive guy having the temerity to decide that I'm not good enough for him,...
I'm not saying that you don't have a right to feel annoyed at that, but perhaps that is the very reason that old, unattractive guys go to strip clubs?...to have their "pick of the litter"(as long as they have money to pay them for LDs or VIPS) and to feel the satisfaction of finally being able to turn down girls after all the times OTC that they themselves have probably been rejected by girls? I'm not saying it's right...I'm just saying that the guy is probably going to the strip club to feel like the "player" that he's definitely NOT in real life. Doesn't make it right, just trying to explain the mindset of such an ugly, snobbily selective guy.
kitana
04-06-2008, 10:54 PM
Amber, You are very true in taking a defense above and then finding yourself on the recieving end also.
Regarding my tipping; the last thing I'm ever is rude to a dancer, any of them. I tipped this gal about $20 for her three song set. In my mind that's pretty darn good from one guy for a stage set, Jenny may disagree though. Do you know how many guys went to her rail, only me, how much did she make this set, $20 bucks. I very nicely pointed out that if you're going to be here, you might as well make money. And no, I will not buy a dance from anyone with an attitude like hers. If she would have changed it, I most likely would have.
Next time I'll keep my so called asshole attitude to myself, my money also and just leave. I own a business, dancers own thier own businesses and I hate to see a business run poorly.
Rick
I agree with both of you. I'm not a noob here (or pink), I've been around this site for a few weeks, lol.
I know a few of you very well from back and forth banter quite a while ago, but I got tired of the catty bullshit.
If I wanted to deal with a shit ton of diva like drama queens that think you are worthless if you aren't making a million a night just for batting their lashes, I would go to fucking work, lol!
So Rick, if you are ever in my area, PM me, I'll let ya know where the club is, you come in and I'll buy ya a beer and a shot and we can bullshit and act like normal people, not primadonna snotty shits, lol.