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Pamela
01-03-2008, 05:22 PM
And Gacy thought everyone loved clowns. Bleh, they are evil imo.

Hot Momma
01-03-2008, 06:09 PM
I just saw this thread.. I have nothing to really say except, my BIL was one of the lead investigators on the 'BTK' case, and essentially came up with the idea, that led to his arrest...

I don't know about the book, but the stupid made for TV movie had so many inaccuracies it in, it was sad...

Pamela
01-03-2008, 06:23 PM
All the books suck and a movie i did not know of.

He needs to be honest (yea right lmfao) and tell the truth about everything. But i don't think he will/can.

Dahmer was honest as much as he could it seemed. Radar is much different, although they both were very dangerous to society they had different reasons. Radar seems to be a "thrill" Serial Killer. Jeff seemed to want to "feel" and be...if that makes sense. Warped but his reasons.

PS interesting that he lead to the disk trick! I like that. ;) You must feel good.

Hot Momma
01-03-2008, 06:32 PM
You said you watched the documentry on him, correct? When they were running it all over the place, after he was caught, it was just so, I don't even know how to describe it. Watching him in the court room, and my BIL, almost right behind him, plus the footage of the field work, after they got him.. Very strange indeed..

And yes, our family is very proud of him... And PS, it wasn't the 'disk trick' that really broke it wide open.. I can't really say what it was, but it may be out there, somewhere, if you dig far enough...;)

Pamela
01-03-2008, 06:40 PM
I have a problem if he writes again he may not be able to say, i know the letters are looked at...but again who cares at this point he's never getting out. ;)

He had no emotion yea i seen how he talked freely about many crimes. He only feels for him. He can't have remorse, that i believe. All the emotions are there, but for him. Looking out a courtroom window with tears, for who? Him. Must suck to go outside in a 10'x10' cage in shackles yet! :)

Hot Momma
01-03-2008, 06:47 PM
Oh yeah, it's all about him... Which is why after so many, many years of not being found, after the first round of killings, he made contact again.. He wanted the attention... He lived so long, without it, in that realm of living, {he was awful to people} anyway, and he wanted to taunt the law and public..

I don't think he counted on technology being as advanced as it is now. That and he thought he was smarter than anyone...

Pamela
01-03-2008, 07:08 PM
Lol yea. He went into his "trolling" mode as he says. That was his down time...Hmm you would think he would know that a disk could be traced. He used computers, he had some knowledge. A killer who watched and actually had to research his victims before killing had to know about that damn disk. He asked if he could be traced back to it, he was not one to trust police. Hmmm makes one wonder.

Don't know if i will ever hear from him again. I would so love to interview him. Too many holes that the public (like me) does not know. You can watch and see it. His writings you can see one: Wanted to go down finally. Two: Got very sloppy. I pick one, not sure why...

kitana
07-31-2008, 04:34 AM
The most notorious serial killer we've had in the UK recently was Dr Harold Shipman. He was a doctor with a practice specialising in older people. He's thought to have killed between 100 - 140 women by giving them injections of morphine.

He eventually got caught when he clumsily forged a will from one of the last women he killed making him the beneficiary of her estate. Without that he might have been able to continue almost indefinately - who suspects a doctor?

As far as historical serial killers go, you might be interested in Rudolf Hoess. He was commandant of Auschwitz between 1941 - 1943 (after previously running Dachau and Sachenhausen). He probably oversaw the deaths of 1.5 - 2 million people, and saw it as a purely technical exercise.

He was hung after the Second World War, but before he did so wrote an autobiography about his time running the concentration camps. He also was a *defence* witness at the Nuremberg trials, where he was happy to explain exactly how he killed so many people - a man that never showed any remorse for his actions.

I have been to Dachau concentration camp and have stood in the gas chambers there (which were used to kill around 2,000 people). One of my colleagues remarked "efficient material flow". As I looked around, I suddenly realised what he meant. The gas chambers (reception room, gas chamber, clothing sorting room, crematorium, etc), had been designed to make the movement of those to be gassed in them as efficient as possible.

It was a stunning thought - that someone (probably an architect) had sat down with the intent of designing a building intended for mass killing and had carefully considered how best to minimise the labour in packing people into the gas chamber, sorting their belongings for re-use and moving their bodies into the crematorium.

It still leaves me cold.

Phil.

Phil, your post had me in tears.

I have wanted to go to the camps for quite a few years now, not only to mourn the dead, but to also try and understand why. (If that makes any sense) My goal is to walk away a better person if I am ever given the opportunity to go.

thisunrest
08-01-2008, 10:43 AM
That's kinda scary. You and I have a similar interest in true-crime,I see:-).

There was a kid(well,he was 18 I think) who did what youre doing.He wrote a book about his interest in serial killers,and about his letters from them and to them.I don't know, his was more for the thrill of it, than to learn.

Joplin
08-01-2008, 11:04 AM
The op isn't here anymore...fyi.

I don't think you want to compare yourself to pam unless you would marry a serial killer, too.

Steve likes strippers
08-01-2008, 11:51 AM
I have been to Dachau concentration camp and have stood in the gas chambers there (which were used to kill around 2,000 people). One of my colleagues remarked "efficient material flow". As I looked around, I suddenly realised what he meant. The gas chambers (reception room, gas chamber, clothing sorting room, crematorium, etc), had been designed to make the movement of those to be gassed in them as efficient as possible.

It was a stunning thought - that someone (probably an architect) had sat down with the intent of designing a building intended for mass killing and had carefully considered how best to minimise the labour in packing people into the gas chamber, sorting their belongings for re-use and moving their bodies into the crematorium.


J.M. Coetzee, who received the Nobel Prize in Literature in 2003, invoked the image of the slaughterhouse in describing the Nazi's treatment of Jews: "... in the 20th century, a group of powerful and bloody-minded men in Germany hit on the idea of adapting the methods of the industrial stockyard, as pioneered and perfected in Chicago, to the slaughter — or what they preferred to call the processing — of human beings."

The Jews and others were processed like cattle and other animals going to slaughter. But it should give people pause for how we treat these other animals, who are sentient, and want to live their lives as much as we do.

loveandluxury
08-01-2008, 12:01 PM
^ That is so true, and so sad. I'd also like to visit the camps someday because I'm fascinated by the Holocaust and I try to read everything I can on it. I'm in tears every time.

I watched some documentaries on slaughterhouses and chicken farms etc and that's why I became a vegetarian. What horrible treatment :(

TigersMilk
08-01-2008, 04:18 PM
Closing thread because Pamela is long gone and she should stay that way.