View Full Version : Benazir Bhutto - Assassinated
Tara_SW
12-27-2007, 07:35 PM
Three letters: ISI. There's little doubt they'd infiltrated her security detailI'd bet a weeks income that is exactly what occured.
RandomUser
12-27-2007, 07:37 PM
I only know Bhutto because she was big during my history classes. If they can the islamists are not going to allow women to be leaders in countries they have influence in.
And it's ok not to know. If you are dating though you need to be interesting. See something new on the blogs, google and wiki it. That is the new path to knowledge. Or be like Joey on friend and buy just the "V" volume of the encyclopedi and become an expert on all things related to "V"
RandomUser
12-27-2007, 07:41 PM
I think Bhutto started out wanting to be honest but the society is very corrupt there. She would have to compromise to be able to retain power. It would take money to make her political machine go. Especially in a country where women seldom lead. Money would trump gender. That is why she also kept a lot of money, so she could return to power. Al-quaida is claiming via third party news that she was their no 1 target in the area if she returned.
Blade
12-27-2007, 10:24 PM
People who don't know who Benazir Bhutto was are not sad, they are simply ignorant of world events. That is fine, though I hope none of them thinks they are allowed to have an opinion about U.S. foreign policy seeing as how information about it is not worthy of their attention.As a human, I'm allowed to have an opinion on whatever I want. I didn't know who this woman was this afternoon, I do now however. It's opinions like yours(you're not allowed to have an opinion on something you aren't informed about)that make me less likely to give a flying fuck about anything outside of my world.I asked who she was, I never stated that I have an opinion about her and/or her politics. After reading up on her I do have an opinion on her and her politics.Yeah it's a big deal that she was not only the first female Prime Minister, but that she was made Prime Minister twice(if I'm not mistaken one of those times was AFTER being exiled, which makes it even more important in history). However she seems to be just as corrupt as any politician out there
I happen to think it's sad and scary when people don't know or could "give a fuck less" about the world around them, that's all. Just my opinion. Not trying to ruffle feathers. Sorry if that's what happened.
ps- I also wanted to say thanks to Deogol for explaining why it is important for people to know about Bhutto.Instead of snide comments you could have done the same as Degol and explained it for us uninformed sad people
good point. I was trying to avoid the word ignorant to be nice. Looks like trying to be nice didn't work. Some got all upset anyway :(
I was just surprised that several people here were clueless about Bhutto yet seem to know every little thing about celeb gossip or the newest shade of lipstick. Not that I don't follow some gossip or the latest beauty products, but I also know about important international news too. I was just a bit shocked when I realized there was more than one person who was not on the up and up with current events.
Oh well, live and learn I guess. Maybe it's best to look at the bright side. There are more informed people than not informed and that is wonderful.I don't care about celebs or gossip myself, not knowing who some dead chick is in some foreign country doesn't make me ignorant, I'm far to busy raising a family to care about things that don't DIRECTLY affect my day to day life. I would choose my words a little more carefully from now on if you want to "be nice" because you came off as a stuck up know it all bitch to me
She was going to be the next leader of Pakistan. She was everyone's (political world leader's) pick to restore peace and democracy in the region, and to end the marshal law and military control of the nation of Pakistan. She was Pakistan's Bobby Kennedy.
Oh, that, and she vowed to find Osama Bin Laden and to destroy Al Queada (she was the ace in the hole in the Global War on Terror). We were on the verge of middle east peace (with the west) as far as the situation pertaining to the 9/11 attacks.
The death of Bhutto is a huge setback in the Global War on Terror.:'( Welcome to the new endless war.Thank you Paris for explaining who and why she was important. If more people thought to explain instead of make snide comments, I prolly would care a little quicker.
GoldCoastGirl
12-27-2007, 10:24 PM
I will admit that if it wasn't for an extensive article in The Australian newspaper's weekend magazine that I read when I was in Melbourne in November this year... I wouldn't have had a CLUE about all of this... however thanks to that rather extensive article. I do have a clue.
I also realise what the huge implications of this means for the world at large.
Doesn't the US support the CURRENT PM of Pakistan? Doesn't him having to step aside/down mean huge implications for the US?
I wonder how this will impact Australia. Already there has been coverage of how the oil price has shot up due to the instability over there. F-ing awesome.. ::)
I only know something about international politics because I take 5 mins out of my time/life every so often (sometimes more) to read it. I do find it interesting in its own way.
Peachfuzz69
12-27-2007, 10:28 PM
Unfortunately we are living in the most volatile state of human history. Most people do not want to confront or fathom how far reaching the treachery is. It has been a world wide agenda for a long time. Bhutto's death may ultimately spark civil uprisings, and instability in that region, don't forget both India and Pakistan have always been at odds, and both have nukes. This may freak you all out, but if she was counting on help from us, we probably had a hand in her death. Why? Everything this country says, you have to assume the complete opposite. Bush lied about Iraq, he said "Democracy must prevail, or fanaticism will win out. More Christians have died under our occupation, than under Saddam Hussein. That poor woman was killed to insure chaos. Not to bring about peacefulk resolution. Welcome to Doublemindedness 101. BTW, Bush is NOT a Christian, he hides behind these stupid assholes, and let's them think they're guiding U.S. policy. He, along with father, grandfather, and great grandfather belong to the same secret order as Europe, S.America, China, Russia, and every country in the middle east. Billy Graham the world famous pastor, also belongs to this order, they all are Luciferians. Back in the 40's & 50's when Graham had revivals in Russia, he handed out bibles to those who attended, then told the the KGB, and had those people rounded up and arrested. It happens over and over again. Look at all the judges, and politicians who were involved with trying to form a democratic government that have been killed. Bhutto was another casualty of trusting the ones who actually cause the problems
MsQwerty
12-27-2007, 10:29 PM
OMG! I havent heard any news for the last few days at all, Im shocked and saddened!
Deogol
12-27-2007, 11:28 PM
Oh well, live and learn I guess. Maybe it's best to look at the bright side. There are more informed people than not informed and that is wonderful.
LOL! You got that one backwards!
But, like the people of Detroit who lost their jobs to outsourcing and actions by others outside the borders, people will wake up sooner or later in their lives and say "Hey, this might be important. Thars people conspiring against mah!" ;D
Deogol
12-27-2007, 11:38 PM
Unfortunately we are living in the most volatile state of human history. Most people do not want to confront or fathom how far reaching the treachery is. It has been a world wide agenda for a long time. Bhutto's death may ultimately spark civil uprisings, and instability in that region, don't forget both India and Pakistan have always been at odds, and both have nukes. This may freak you all out, but if she was counting on help from us, we probably had a hand in her death. Why? Everything this country says, you have to assume the complete opposite. Bush lied about Iraq, he said "Democracy must prevail, or fanaticism will win out. More Christians have died under our occupation, than under Saddam Hussein. That poor woman was killed to insure chaos. Not to bring about peacefulk resolution. Welcome to Doublemindedness 101. BTW, Bush is NOT a Christian, he hides behind these stupid assholes, and let's them think they're guiding U.S. policy. He, along with father, grandfather, and great grandfather belong to the same secret order as Europe, S.America, China, Russia, and every country in the middle east. Billy Graham the world famous pastor, also belongs to this order, they all are Luciferians. Back in the 40's & 50's when Graham had revivals in Russia, he handed out bibles to those who attended, then told the the KGB, and had those people rounded up and arrested. It happens over and over again. Look at all the judges, and politicians who were involved with trying to form a democratic government that have been killed. Bhutto was another casualty of trusting the ones who actually cause the problems
Each day I roll a die and to help decide if it merely is America not living up to it's ideals or the conspiracy crowd.
Unfortunately I am coming to the conclusion we do a lot of fighting "for the people" who really don't deserve the effort. Just once I wish the Department of State would say "yea, so and so is a fucking thug... but from a wide choice of thugs at least he's OUR fucking thug!"
Susan Wayward
12-28-2007, 02:16 AM
It's opinions like yours(you're not allowed to have an opinion on something you aren't informed about)that make me less likely to give a flying fuck about anything outside of my world.
Oh, wow, you actually read that? I figured you wouldn't give a shit considering it didn't directly affect you. Sure you can have an opinion, you know what they say about those . . .
Melonie
12-28-2007, 04:14 AM
this is how some of the Indians are interpreting the assassination ... which I wouldn't call an impossibility -
If you distill the entire middle eastern situation down to bare bones basics, Syria and Iran represent a FUTURE nuclear threat ... which can be handled in the same way that the Israeli Air Force recently handled the destruction of a Syrian nuclear material processing facility.
However, Pakistan represents a CURRENT nuclear threat. If Al Queda manages to get de-facto control of the Pakistani government in the same way that Hesbollah has managed to get control of the Palestinian gov't, they've got their finger on the 'launch' button. For whatever reasons, and all other issues aside, Musharraf has proven that he is willing to risk the wrath of his own countrymen in order to not only allow the US to attack islamic terrorists via Pakistani territory but also to sick the Pakistani military on them in certain cases.
Benazir Bhutto represented anathema to the islamic fundamentalists ... a WOMAN in a position of power. As such, it was pretty much guaranteed that if Bhutto had actually become the secular leader of Pakistan that she would have drawn heavy attacks from Al Queda types ... probably with the support of islamic fundamentalist countries like Iran. Arguably, Bhutto lacked the 'balls', or at least lacked the fundamental support by the Pakistani military to fend off blatant attacks by Al Queda types. Thus it was a fairly simple linear projection that Bhutto becoming president would be quickly followed by a successful overthrow, leaving islamic fundamentalists in control of nuclear weapons.
If you doubt this, consider the fact that Saudi Arabia was in the process of negotiating with NEW DELHI to have the Indian military provide defense of their oil fields ... fearing that in the current US foreign policy climate that the US could not be 'trusted' to expand their military presence in the middle east enough to provide for Saudi defense in a future scenario where both Iran and Pakistan are ruled by islamic fundamentalists with a nuclear arsenal at their disposal.
on the other hand, I could simply have been Al Queda types striking sooner rather than later ... out of fear that striking later might (after she become president) would be far more difficult and far more politically damaging for them.
(snip)"l-Qaeda Denounces
Al-Qaeda's second in command, Ayman al-Zawahri, this month denounced Bhutto's return as a US-orchestrated maneuver.
"Everything that is going on in Pakistan, from the arrangement for the return of Benazir to the declaration of the state of emergency ... to repressive measures, is a desperate American attempt to remedy the deteriorating situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan," Zawahri said in an interview with al-Qaeda's media arm.
Shortly before Bhutto's return in October, Taliban commander Haji Omar had pledged to attack her. "(snip)
Or Zawahiri could be correct that the US orchestrated Bhutto's return for the specific reason of putting the Al Queda types in the position of having to kill her or risk a major blow to islamic fundamentalism on the 'world stage' via a woman leading an islamic country ...
'wheels within wheels'
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Deogol
12-28-2007, 05:02 AM
The thing that worked in the past with the Soviet downfall - certainly a direct nuclear threat to the US - was a leadership outside of the military and with enough ability to have the military turn the tanks upon their own masters. (I was stunned to see tanks firing upon the White House -- USSR's equivalent of The Capital Building.)
Is it an equivalent scenerio? Who knows.
I do know in Afghanistan they attempted to use military might to pacify the country. Three million deaths and ten years later the USSR was retreating it's red army.
The same could be said about the US in Vietnam.
The military is for one thing - to harass, intimidate, and break things.
Look at what happened in "the colonies." An army was formed, the British hold was broken... but all the while - the real foundations of The Federalist Papers, Common Sense, etc. was being put into the public's mind to BUILD something. To COMBINE TOGETHER to MAKE SOMETHING BETTER.
There is a very fundamental portion of creating civilization and a social order that we are missing. I suspect it is because western ideals are so foreign that they are hard to swallow. I don't particularly like hippies and others on here have vomit episodes for anything reflecting religion - yet both these things are western. So imagine how alien it is to others who are not western.
StuartL
12-28-2007, 09:34 AM
This is a terrible issue to be sure.
Last year I was trying to get funding for an online NGO type project I was planning with someone I know from UNICEF. One of our funding 'sources' - I wish! - is an Egyptian lady who quit the UN about 8 months ago to go and be involved with the Bhutto return to power. She literally lasted two days in Pakistan. With the massive bombing on her return, my contact thought that she had made a ridiculous mistake and left the following day. Her description of events is harrowing to say the least.
As for why this is important, this is much more important to every man, woman and child on earth than Iraq ever was. Pakistan is a nuclear power. It is also a military dictatorship where the current holder of power is in desparate trouble and appears willing to do almost anything to cling on - as is usually the way. It is also the country where many believe Mr Bin Laden and his friends are now hiding - and apparently have established new training camps.
If the West wants to continue in Afghanistan as we are, then we need Pakistan as an ally not as a foe. But the force for democracy is rising and an elected hard line government could be very difficult to deal with. Think of the problems that could be caused if the 'wrong government' a la Gaza were elected. Think of the problems if the military cannot maintain order and the country slips into civil unrest or even civil war.
StuartL
12-28-2007, 09:38 AM
'wheels within wheels'
~
I think you forgot to mention the other five or six layers of conspiracy, negotiation, wrangling and overt power plays going on here ;-)
stellaforstars
12-28-2007, 10:14 AM
I was a fan of Bhutto's beliefs and ideals, and of her strong and kindly personality. I've followed her career for some time now...To become the PM of Pakistan as a female is an incredible feat. I feel deeply saddened by this event.
Well call me cynical but I don't understand the emotional part.
2 brothers died violently (1 poisoned and for the other one her critics believe she had him killed). Father died violently. General who replaced her died violently/mysteriously. This is all normal stuff for pakistan.
If anything, I think this makes it more emotional. When 800,000 people were systematically murdered in Rwanda, was that not emotional? And yet, such violence in Africa is the "normal" state of things. That's what is so upsetting--the fact that people shrug their shoulders and accept that such awful goings-on in the world are just normal things because of the geographical area.
(Hey, at least I didn't invoke Godwin's Law, right?)
Melonie
12-28-2007, 10:46 AM
Hey, at least I didn't invoke Godwin's Law, right?
Yes ... thankfully ... although where islamic fundamentalism is concerned Godwin's Law will be forced to rear its ugly head at some point.
When 800,000 people were systematically murdered in Rwanda, was that not emotional? hat's what is so upsetting--the fact that people shrug their shoulders and accept that such awful goings-on in the world are just normal things because of the geographical area.
Actually these things are considered to be 'normal' by those who are perpetrating the systematic murders (which are usually non-democratic forces at best and islamic fundamentalist at worst), as well as by neighboring countries who refuse to commit manpower and monetary resources to intervene.
In the final analysis, democracy and dictatorships both stem from a gun barrel. For democracies, the gun barrels belong to average citizens and/or the armed forces of another country who IS willing to commit manpower and monetary resources to defending democracy. In the case of dictatorships, the gun barrels belong to that country's own military and (secret) police !
This of course points out the inherent risks involved if the US follows a policy of isolation a la Calvin Coolidge or Wendell Wilkie or perhaps Ron Paul / Barack Obama. Advocates of democracy around the world usually wind up dead, and dictators around the world usually keep / gain power.
I think you forgot to mention the other five or six layers of conspiracy, negotiation, wrangling and overt power plays going on here ;-)
yeah, well ... I'm already accused of permanently wearing a 'tin foil hat', so I chose to just stick with the obvious stuff floating around various international news media ! But if you want to look under some of those 'tin foil hats', is a pretty good place to start ...
(snip)"Omer Subhani – Counterpunch December 27, 2007
1. I have to start off with my recent perceptions of her. She was a corrupt politician who was more interested in her political legacy than in the welfare of her nation and people. President Bush said today that Bhutto was someone who fought against terrorism. She did so, conveniently, post 9-11. During the mid 1990s she was openly pro-Taliban as the Pakistani government was one of the few nations in the world that recognized that neo-Khawarij regime.
2. Her death could cause major problems for Pakistan, but I think Musharraf will be smart about this and will likely move to some sort of martial law system in order to curb violence and unrest. He needs to postpone elections only briefly because otherwise his opponents will claim he is attempting to block the political process.
3. I was surprised somewhat by the coverage of Bhutto in the US press this morning. CNN changed her picture three times this morning around 8:45 AM. Every picture tried to portray her as some sort of fallen angel. Again, this is a woman who sold out her people in order to increase her bank account as well as killing her political opponents.
4. Pakistan and Democracy: what happens now? Nawaz Sharif is a nobody. Musharraf is on thin ice. Who will lead Pakistan? It's a very grim situation there, but one thing is for certain: most Pakistanis are moderate people who are inclined to Western values of democracy and freedom in their truest sense. They are progressive and liberal in many facets. Extremism does not have a great hold in Pakistan, but what should be rightfully feared is that someone in the military who is pro-Taliban & al-Qaeda will take over as Musharraf did. I don't think that's a likely possibility, but it is a possibility nonetheless. Pakistanis need to regroup and really rally for democracy.
5. I am disgusted with the US media. Their coverage of Bhutto as some sort of martyr is despicable and inappropriate. Man, she really did a good job of portraying herself as some sort of beacon of hope for Pakistan. This woman was liable to be arrested at any moment by Interpol because of all the money laundering she and her husband were involved in with 3 to 4 different countries. She was a crook, plain and simple, yet our wonderful press is making her out to be the next Mother Teresa. This is like if Michael Vick was trying to run for Senator of Georgia ten years from now and then he was murdered and all anyone was talking about was how great a football player he was without any mention of his dog fighting crimes. This is so Orwellian.
6. Bhutto's legacy: The impression she has left is one of a woman standing up for democracy and fighting against extremism. This is how she will likely be seen until Armageddon. Dissidents and progressives who actually know something about her history will know better. She fought for democracy when convenient for her, but when she was in power assassinations of opponents and corruption were the way of life for her. She was a crook and while she did not deserve such a horrible ending to her life we should all remember that this is a person who cared only for herself and her bank account.
7. My research at Harvard led me to believe that Bhutto would not last long in Pakistan. Unfortunately for her my research proved correct. Musharraf barely made it out alive on two major assassinations attempts a few years ago, while he has had many others. Musharraf's security was arranged by the Pakistani Army and the attempts on his life demonstrated that the Army had been infiltrated by Taliban and al-Qaeda sympathizers. So if he had the best security around and was almost killed then how could Bhutto possibly stay alive? She didn't as we unfortunately see today."(snip)
Tara_SW
12-28-2007, 11:17 AM
Instead of snide comments you could have done the same as Degol and explained it for us uninformed sad peopleyou're right, I could have but since you made it clear you could, as you put it, give a fuck less I didn't
you came off as a stuck up know it all bitch to meuhm, wow. ok. I didn't know it was ok to call people a bitch here. Here I was being careful and trying to not to even use words like ignorangt because I was concerned it might offend. Oh well. At least you did finally figure out why this womans death is a big deal. I guess something good came of our exchange afterall.
Blade
12-28-2007, 11:35 AM
you're right, I could have but since you made it clear you could, as you put it, give a fuck less I didn't uhm, wow. ok. I didn't know it was ok to call people a bitch here. Here I was being careful and trying to not to even use words like ignorangt because I was concerned it might offend. Oh well. At least you did finally figure out why this womans death is a big deal. I guess something good came of our exchange afterall.I didnt find out because of you, before you made your posts I had already looked her up, all you did was insult my intelligence and piss me off.
Tara_SW
12-28-2007, 11:56 AM
I didnt find out because of you, before you made your posts I had already looked her up, all you did was insult my intelligence and piss me off.
geez man, chill the fuck out. I already said I was sorry if I ruffled feathers. Didn't mean to do so. I was just shocked that several people didn't know or in some cases even want to know about things like this womans life and death and what is going on in the world.Also I could have responded to your name calling in kind but I took the high road instead. Try it sometime. Life is too short to go around being mad all the time. I think I'm just going to ignore you for awhile and let you cool down. Hope your day gets better! Bye
Blade
12-28-2007, 12:04 PM
geez man, chill the fuck out. I already said I was sorry if I ruffled feathers. Didn't mean to do so. I was just shocked that several people didn't know or in some cases even want to know about things like this womans life and death and what is going on in the world.Also I could have responded to your name calling in kind but I took the high road instead. Try it sometime. Life is too short to go around being mad all the time. I think I'm just going to ignore you for awhile and let you cool down. Hope your day gets better! ByeLMAO, I'm far from mad all the time. That was me being NICE, you'll know when I post in anger.
smartcookie
12-28-2007, 12:07 PM
As CO observed, the ISI (roughly the equivalent of the CIA in Pakistan, for those of you who don't read) and Al Qaeda are virtually interchangeable.
Was she a saint? Hardly. Is her assassination surprising and shocking? Not really. But she was one of the best chances the country had, and the implications for the future are tragic and frightening.
space_Cadet_28
12-28-2007, 12:58 PM
I was a fan of Bhutto's beliefs and ideals, and of her strong and kindly personality. I've followed her career for some time now...To become the PM of Pakistan as a female is an incredible feat. I feel deeply saddened by this event.
If anything, I think this makes it more emotional. When 800,000 people were systematically murdered in Rwanda, was that not emotional? And yet, such violence in Africa is the "normal" state of things. That's what is so upsetting--the fact that people shrug their shoulders and accept that such awful goings-on in the world are just normal things because of the geographical area.
(Hey, at least I didn't invoke Godwin's Law, right?)
OK, I understand the emotional part. Sadly, the latest article stated none of the bullets hit her and she died from head impact from ducking and the car speeding away. None of the other car passengers were hurt.
And to correct things people do not believe she had her brother killed but that her husband had him killed. He was in jail for 8 years or so on that and other charges but it may have been or was likely politically motivated. Who knows.
As always thanks for not mentioning Hitler.
And yes she was the best hope for Pakistan, democracy in Pakistan, and US interests there, despite the fact she supported the taliban and developed nuclear weapons (Pakistan will eat grass if needed to develop nukes).
Melonie
12-28-2007, 02:35 PM
well, it's official. The Pakistani gov't has released a cell phone intercept between Al Queda members congratulating each other on the successful assassination ...
... of course the 'tin foil hat' crowd would probably tell you that this could simply be a 'plant' as well !
Optimist
12-28-2007, 02:53 PM
Was she a saint? Hardly. Is her assassination surprising and shocking? Not really. But she was one of the best chances the country had, and the implications for the future are tragic and frightening.
It's an expression that none of you have to like since everyone wants to be so glib, jaded, and above it. I think it's pretty ballsy to try when you don't have to and can live a cushy self-centered life. I think it pretty selfless to try to help your countrymen in the face of stiff odds and danger. And I think it's a very sad day for this woman, who had the balls to lead when most men worldwide couldn't stomach it, to be cut down.:'( Call it a pity party but the day you feel nothing in the face of tragedy, you might as well end it all because you've lost your humanity.
I guess no one on this female oriented site gives a shit about the murder of a mother who made it all the way to being one a a handful of international leaders.
doc-catfish
12-28-2007, 03:11 PM
Ooh boy. Now the Pakistani government is claiming the assassin's bullets missed Bhutto entirely, and that she was killed by bumping her head on the sunroof of the vehicle she was in.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g86AMSSiueC23-4Pz91XcvoFenyA
Tara_SW
12-28-2007, 03:14 PM
Ooh boy. Now the Pakistani government is claiming the assassin's bullets missed Bhutto entirely, and that she was killed by bumping her head on the sunroof of the vehicle she was in.
I'm thinking that theory has got to be bunk. Question is though is exactly why is that story being pushed?
Tara_SW
12-28-2007, 03:17 PM
I think it pretty selfless to try to help your countrymen in the face of stiff odds and danger. And I think it's a very sad day for this woman, who had the balls to lead when most men worldwide couldn't stomach it, to be cut down.:'( Call it a pity party but the day you feel nothing in the face of tragedy, you might as well end it all because you've lost your humanity.
oh my, there just is no way to express how much I agree with what Optimist wrote
Optimist
12-28-2007, 03:22 PM
I just think that it's great to share your opinion without condescension and belittling my opinion and feelings. It's called mourning not a pity party.
Melonie
12-28-2007, 03:55 PM
the only tiny suggestion I would make is to save a few tears of mourning for the 'former' future residents of TelAviv and Manhattan, once they are replaced with a glowing crater thanks to Pakistani plutonium.
GoldCoastGirl
12-28-2007, 04:14 PM
LMAO, I'm far from mad all the time. That was me being NICE, you'll know when I post in anger.
:D:D sorry for the threadjack however I have to admit.. Blade WAS being nice. You'll learn grasshopper. You'll learn. ;)
back to the thread now... 8)
Tara_SW
12-28-2007, 04:54 PM
:D:D sorry for the threadjack however I have to admit.. Blade WAS being nice. You'll learn grasshopper. You'll learn. ;)
back to the thread now... 8)
really? wow. If calling someone a stuck up bitch is him being nice I hope I never find out what being mean sounds like. :eek:
GoldCoastGirl
12-28-2007, 05:30 PM
Tara_SW ... look at the information as to how long I have been on this forum (yes yes it is sad.. I need a life LOL!)... look at when you joined... believe me you should never EVER take anything Blade "says" on here too seriously or personally. He is a bit rough and abrasive yet that is his charm. Give yourself time to get to know the people on here so then you will know how to "read" their posts.
Everyone's personalities do shine through their posts if you give yourself enough time to really take in what they post... ;)
once again please excuse the thread jack....
Tara_SW
12-28-2007, 05:55 PM
Tara_SW ... look at the information as to how long I have been on this forum (yes yes it is sad.. I need a life LOL!)... look at when you joined... believe me you should never EVER take anything Blade "says" on here too seriously or personally. He is a bit rough and abrasive yet that is his charm. Give yourself time to get to know the people on here so then you will know how to "read" their posts.
Everyone's personalities do shine through their posts if you give yourself enough time to really take in what they post... ;)
once again please excuse the thread jack....
ah, well ok then. Will do and thanks for taking the time to fill me in and give some advice. It's very nice of you :)
Blade
12-28-2007, 06:36 PM
:D:D sorry for the threadjack however I have to admit.. Blade WAS being nice. You'll learn grasshopper. You'll learn. ;)
back to the thread now... 8)
really? wow. If calling someone a stuck up bitch is him being nice I hope I never find out what being mean sounds like. :eek:OMG I havent laughed so hard in years. I'm sorry if I came off like a dick, you'll learn to ignore half of what i type and laugh off the other while watching for good advice from time to time.
Man I'm chuckling as I write this so it's gonna be short.
GoldCoastGirl
12-28-2007, 07:02 PM
OMG I havent laughed so hard in years. I'm sorry if I came off like a dick, you'll learn to ignore half of what i type and laugh off the other while watching for good advice from time to time.
Man I'm chuckling as I write this so it's gonna be short.
exactly! me :heartbeat Blade! ;D
space_Cadet_28
12-28-2007, 07:31 PM
the only tiny suggestion I would make is to save a few tears of mourning for the 'former' future residents of TelAviv and Manhattan, once they are replaced with a glowing crater thanks to Pakistani plutonium.
Hey there's also the symmetry. Not that the US had control of it, but the US couldn't pressure Pakistan's nuclear program because it needed Pakistan's support in the Afghan war meant to prevent nukes on New York and London.
PaigeDWinter
12-28-2007, 08:08 PM
Yet another thread closed due to childish behavior. Bravo kids.