View Full Version : Old School Dancers:Your Definition/Understanding
VegasPrincess
01-10-2008, 06:15 PM
I started when I was 18 eeeekkkk 7 years ago and I had no idea what I as doing, and still made money. Men actually paid you to talk without dancing, and also asked for dances, and got lots and tipped you. I didn't get champagne rooms at this time because I was underage and you had to buy an actual bottle of champagne to get up there, and who really wants to drink that alone? But I did quite well.
It's commonly said amongst dancers, and I believe it's true, that the post 9-11 world really killed the dancing economy.
xdamage
01-10-2008, 06:57 PM
The differences I noted:
Then: ...
Now: ...
I just got to say from a customer POV...
Then: A girl taking off her top! Real live titties!!! OMFG!
Now: Titties? Yawn. I'm going home to watch pron on the internet.
jasmine
01-10-2008, 07:16 PM
The state of Massachusetts may have some quirky laws but the clubs have always been all nude with full liquor. Until the first time I hit Tampa about ten years ago I never knew restrictions about pussy and booze in the same club even existed...
Weird....very weird...
This suprised me when I first moved to Jersey. My first couple of clubs were all nude with a full bar. All the clubs in the area were. No 6ft rule or anything. Lap dances, hot tubing, CR.
Imo old school dancers can walk in 6 inch stilletos with no platform, don't get wasted and act trashy, aren't coked-up, know how to strip and work the pole, wear more upscale stripper clothes and act like a lady around the custies. When I started only a few dancers did extras, and there was no OTC for the clean dancers. Oh, and all the dancers looked GOOD! The ugly bitches doing coke and the 18 yr olds that look 40 and have ATTITUDE are why I quit.
Rayna Skye
01-10-2008, 07:42 PM
Hey Guys,
Long time no see. I fully understand. I do things in the tradition of Old skool myself. When I first started dancing I thought that was how you were supposed to do it. I worked in a small bar where you weren't allowed to take it all off, and you had to wear pasties. You couldn't do lap dances and a whole bunch of other stuff. We used to dance our asses off. I really miss that. I now work across the river, where anything goes. If I didn't have too much pride, and I wasn't making way better money selling lap dances, I'd ask for my job back at that old bar.
One thing however, I still dance like I'm on the Missouri side, and I have been told it's a refreshing change.
BlueBoxers
01-10-2008, 08:32 PM
they know how to entertain and provide a fun experience
Jo Weldon
01-11-2008, 02:07 AM
Alena, some of what you say was true for me, some of it wasn't--for instance, we didn't have all the crazy tipouts before the 90s, but we didn't have stage shows, either. I worked in Atlanta.
Whenever people start talking about the good old days I get a bit skeptical because not all people want the same working conditions; some much prefer the option of contact to make more money, or paying more tipout to work in what they think is a cushier club. Not that EVERYTHING is relative, but some things are.
I was a touring feature in the early 90s. I also still occcasionally worked as a house girl in Atlanta, and most nights there all I did was wear a white dress and lots of strands of pearls and do the same half-dozen moves, including hair flips, over and over--which was more fun than it sounds like, actually, and I can watch dancers do that forever, that sexy little sway they do when they're waiting for someone to come along so they can look them in the eye. So, no contact, but no big shows, either, unless you count the shower room. And it was very, very unusual to make $1K a night.
And I can't think of my first few years dancing as good old days. The early 80s in Atlanta were not big money, big show, classy environment times for strip joints. I mean, it was scary. I must have wanted scary, because I stuck around, but it WAS scary. So that's the first thing that comes to my mind when someone says, "It was so much better when I started dancing!" I shudder to remember!
Bridgette
01-11-2008, 03:00 AM
3 years does not an old school dancer make. Not by any stretch of the imagination.
At least 10 years. At least! And I mean minimum 10 years prior to now, because that was before most clubs turned to brothels with stages, and before most customers expected to get practically fucked for peanuts ::)
I am sure that the "old days" were quite different from one region to another as well.
95% of the girls dancing now would never have been hired six years ago.I wouldn't go that far, but I'd estimate that 80% of current dancers, especially alot of the younger ones who obviously don't take care of themselves, would never have been hired in any club I worked 10+ years ago - and that accounts for clubs in several different states. When I go to work and realize I'm one of the hottest bitches in the joint, and ALSO one of the oldest, I think that's pathetic. Pathetic. It's disgusting how little effort so many girls put into their appearance lately. Ugh. I mean, I've seen girls on the floor who literally look like they just rolled out of bed and stumbled in to work, smeared makeup, matted hair, stained / ripped outfit and all. Just.....ugh.
jasmine
01-11-2008, 09:22 AM
I wouldn't go that far, but I'd estimate that 80% of current dancers, especially alot of the younger ones who obviously don't take care of themselves, would never have been hired in any club I worked 10+ years ago - and that accounts for clubs in several different states. When I go to work and realize I'm one of the hottest bitches in the joint, and ALSO one of the oldest, I think that's pathetic. Pathetic. It's disgusting how little effort so many girls put into their appearance lately. Ugh. I mean, I've seen girls on the floor who literally look like they just rolled out of bed and stumbled in to work, smeared makeup, matted hair, stained / ripped outfit and all. Just.....ugh.
I know... Some of these girls think being 18 and strung out makes up for a lack of personal hygene. Same chicks that are usually bad mouthing me and bitching about how the "old married chick" must be fucking guys because I'm making 3 times the money they are. ::) No bitches, It's called grooming.
Andygirl
01-11-2008, 03:48 PM
Imo old school dancers can walk in 6 inch stilletos with no platform, don't get wasted and act trashy, aren't coked-up, know how to strip and work the pole, wear more upscale stripper clothes and act like a lady around the custies. When I started only a few dancers did extras, and there was no OTC for the clean dancers. Oh, and all the dancers looked GOOD! The ugly bitches doing coke and the 18 yr olds that look 40 and have ATTITUDE are why I quit.
I don't know. I certainly remember that there were definitely plenty of plain janes, and drunks, druggies, and slobs--at least here in Indy. And there was always a majority of girls who really didn't act like ladies, not in my opinion anyway.
I think some view the old days with rose-colored glasses. Things were different ten years ago, but they weren't that different when it boils down to the basics.
Susan-Va
01-11-2008, 08:48 PM
I wouldn't go that far, but I'd estimate that 80% of current dancers, especially alot of the younger ones who obviously don't take care of themselves, would never have been hired in any club I worked 10+ years ago - and that accounts for clubs in several different states. When I go to work and realize I'm one of the hottest bitches in the joint, and ALSO one of the oldest, I think that's pathetic. Pathetic. It's disgusting how little effort so many girls put into their appearance lately. Ugh. I mean, I've seen girls on the floor who literally look like they just rolled out of bed and stumbled in to work, smeared makeup, matted hair, stained / ripped outfit and all. Just.....ugh.
I totally agree with what you are saying.
When I said 95% of the girls wouldn't have been hired six years ago I was speaking of the girls in my town. I've been dancing here for ten years so I'm basing that on my own personal experience. I have done some traveling over the years and I can say that I have seen a decline overall in other ares of the quality of entertainers.
Bridgette
01-12-2008, 09:51 AM
Also, in the areas I worked my first 2-3 years, there was NO contact allowed and the money was BETTER and easier to make than it is anywhere I've worked in recent years. The customers were watched and thrown out for mistreating girls; girls were fired on the spot (and not allowed to come back) for pulling shady shit. I understand that's not the case for everyone, but it is my experience and a lot of others as well. I most certainly do miss the old days of giving less and making more. Hell yes.
Now every club caters to the lowest common denominator, customers are practically allowed to get away with murder and girls are treated like so much dead meat. Yes, I'd trade that in for the old days I experienced in a second.
NO girl who's only danced 3 years experienced anything close to that, and therefore has nothing on which to base an opinion whether the "old days" were better or what. The dancing environment has pretty much been the same for the last....oh, 5 years or so: CRAP.
jasmine
01-12-2008, 05:18 PM
I don't know. I certainly remember that there were definitely plenty of plain janes, and drunks, druggies, and slobs--at least here in Indy. And there was always a majority of girls who really didn't act like ladies, not in my opinion anyway.
I think some view the old days with rose-colored glasses. Things were different ten years ago, but they weren't that different when it boils down to the basics.
I guess there were some bad seeds even then, but most got fired pretty quickly. There were only a few at my first 2 clubs that managed to last any length of time. Now days it seems like 8 out 10 girls in the club shouldn't even be there for one reason or another.
Of course my first 2 clubs didn't overbook dancers, they only had 8-10 girls working on an average night, maybe a couple of more on a really busy night, so they could be a little pickier. Some of the clubs these days have more dancers than custies.
doc-catfish
01-12-2008, 06:51 PM
It could be stated here that there is old school, and OLD school, and if you go back far enough an even older school prior to that. I'm honestly surprised (and not always pleasantly) about the changes I've seen in the thirteen years of frequenting clubs.
Tuesday evening, I went to a club where my best friend had his stag party some ten years ago. They had all nude private dances back then, but in those days the dancer would spread out a blanket in front of you and you got a $25 floor show, no contact whatsoever.
I went back to that club a few years later. The floor show had been replaced by a hover dance, still no contact.
I hit again about two years ago. Now the blankets were placed on the customer's lap and the ladies grinded on top of them. Contact, but hands off.
Tuesday night, the two ladies I had dances with didn't even use the blanket anymore. The hands off policy is about the only barrier left.
And mind you, the price for the service rendered hadn't changed during this adjustment from floor show to outright grinding, not so much as a penny.
Certainly in the heat of the situation, I wasn't complaining about a fully nude woman grinding on my lap without even a blanket, but if there's something that I think that sticks out is how much happier and bubbly, and eager to entertain those girls that did the no contact dances way back then were. Those girls didn't have the ability to cater to the lowest common denominator, so they had to improvise with what wits they had to keep you on the hook.
That was something that made old school strippers so charming, and what made the clubbing experience fun. I miss that in a way.
Bridgette
01-13-2008, 08:52 PM
...but if there's something that I think that sticks out is how much happier and bubbly, and eager to entertain those girls that did the no contact dances way back then were. Those girls didn't have the ability to cater to the lowest common denominator, so they had to improvise with what wits they had to keep you on the hook.
That was something that made old school strippers so charming, and what made the clubbing experience fun. I miss that in a way.Lotta other guys miss that too. Some of them still come around and pay a premium when they find an old school chic who still remembers how to do it ;D