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Blade
01-12-2008, 11:36 AM
ya know even i have remained point free in all my years here. I think it's more bad ass to post right on the line and remain point free then fall prey to peer pressure and get points. ;D


damn 3 years already, i havent stayed anywhere this long!

Madcap
01-12-2008, 11:50 AM
I have no points either, much to my shock.

FBR
01-12-2008, 12:04 PM
I have no points either, much to my shock.

Mad, naaa you are a pretty good guy. But, if it would make you feel better I can give you some. I mean, if it is important to you. But there is a modest charge of $50 per point for unearned infractions. After all, we have to exclude the riff raff from the process.

I take Mastercard and Visa. No American Express or Discover card. AMEX fees are too high, and Discover is, well, too plebian. I mean, Sears used to own it.

FBR

cameron_keys
01-12-2008, 01:03 PM
I want to be a mod so I can point people!!(actually I want to be a mod because I"m bored and power hungry...but pointing would be fun too)

AlexxaHex
01-12-2008, 01:10 PM
I think I got points once when I first started for something really stupid - I posted in the wrong section or something. I get yelled in a PM about it the minute I walked in here! LOL I dont' remember who it was though.

Pamela
01-13-2008, 09:41 AM
I want to be a mod so I can point people!!(actually I want to be a mod because I"m bored and power hungry...but pointing would be fun too)

Trust me. We have rules to go by, (our Mod. rule book, how cute) you don't want to point people, you will make enemies. And that is sad, because it's a job we do here that people know needs to be done by us. It's nothing personal when you have to point a person. I wish people would understand that part of SW.

SundayMorning
01-14-2008, 10:27 AM
Yup, it's like being a referee. Unless you're Joey Crawford.

Jenny
01-14-2008, 10:44 AM
I dunno. I point obvious trolls. Like someone with two posts who writes about bear fucking or has 10 posts all saying "Strippers all have cunts like dried up roast beef." I also point legitimate members if they do something pretty egregious; stalking, outing, invading privacy - you know. Something pretty malevolent with malicious intent. For run of the mill board stuff with the participating membership I generally find a warning is sufficient. I mean - I don't want to ban someone active because they lost it twice in two months and posted something they shouldn't have when an apology and a deletion will work just as well. If I'm disobeying the mod rulebook - well, let it roll.

britt244
01-14-2008, 03:12 PM
^ that would be nice if more mods were like that. maybe i'll get in trouble for saying this, but i've been pointed and not gotten a warning first. i don't think that's fair.

Jenny
01-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Okay... to be clear. I was not impugning any other mod. We do things in slightly different ways, but it is very, very rare that points are given out that aren't "deserved". It is situationally specific, and if there are any "bad effects" when a mistake is mad, they will generally try to rectify. I'm not giving you in trouble Britt, but I don't think you were treated unfairly either.

Come to think of it; when other mods give out points it is open to all the other mods to monitor and critique. When I give out informal warnings, it is much more "private" - that is other people can't see what I'm doing. So there are upsides and downsides.

cameron_keys
01-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Can mods point other mods? I've always wondered that...

Phil-W
01-14-2008, 04:06 PM
^^^

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Phil.

cameron_keys
01-14-2008, 04:13 PM
^^^

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

Phil.

Exactly. Not that I think anyone in particular needs to be guarded...I"m just curious

Pamela
01-14-2008, 04:39 PM
^ that would be nice if more mods were like that. maybe i'll get in trouble for saying this, but i've been pointed and not gotten a warning first. i don't think that's fair.

At times it's a judgement call, it has to be. And yes we make mistakes. I have made my share. I don't like pointing people. But it's there for a reason, and at times we don't (well i speak for me) give a warning when we all should read the very first post of each forum before posting.

I have pointed many and, found they don't read the forum rules first. :-\

Samba
01-14-2008, 06:10 PM
We have rules to go by, (our Mod. rule book, how cute) you don't want to point people, you will make enemies.

It's so bizarre that people have "enemies" on a message board. Any online community is going to have a mix of people. Some people you love, some you are indifferent to, and some you really dislike. Enemies, though? Reminds me of junior high.

AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 07:04 PM
I got warnings and temp banned all at once so in essence I never really got a warning! LOL...

But I would never hold a grudge against a mod for doing their job - thats just stupid.

TheSexKitten
01-14-2008, 07:16 PM
It's so bizarre that people have "enemies" on a message board. Any online community is going to have a mix of people. Some people you love, some you are indifferent to, and some you really dislike. Enemies, though? Reminds me of junior high.

bahahaha yeah. :-\

Djoser
01-15-2008, 12:06 PM
I seriously tried to point myself once, didn't work...

Maybe a mod can point another mod, though. Like a cop can pull over another cop and give him a ticket, lol. To my knowledge it hasn't happened yet.

kitty260
01-15-2008, 12:17 PM
If I was a mod, I would totally ask you to point me right now, just to see if it can be done.

I'm an admin on another forum but I don't think we have points and stuff like that. I think we just email warnings and then ban if you don't smarten up.

Ah, the mysteries of SW.

Phil-W
01-15-2008, 12:35 PM
It's so bizarre that people have "enemies" on a message board.

On the extremely rare event that I get annoyed by someone elses post, I generally don't bother to reply. Leaves the other person with the sound of one hand clapping.

But what's the point in getting angry with anyone on here anyway:

(a) It's extremely unlikely we're going to meet in person

and

(b) Life's too short to waste on getting uptight in cyberspace.

Phil.

Tara_SW
01-15-2008, 01:35 PM
I think I got points once when I first started for something really stupid - I posted in the wrong section or something. I get yelled in a PM about it the minute I walked in here! LOL I dont' remember who it was though.



wow.you got pointed for that???

The whole points system seems really unfair then since the person who called me a stuck up bitch when I first started posting here has openly admited they have never recieved any points.

Guess it's more about who is friends with who than anything else. Alot like real life though I suppose :shrug:

Jenny
01-15-2008, 04:25 PM
A mod can't point another mod. Since there are only a few of us it is assumed that we can work out whatever the problem is.

Kaylinn
01-15-2008, 05:12 PM
^ I would also assume that if a mod did somethign point worthy, they wouldn't remain a mod for very long.

britt244
01-15-2008, 05:16 PM
^ not necessarily. pryce hasnt been around, so how would that happen?

Katrine
01-15-2008, 06:11 PM
^ I would also assume that if a mod did somethign point worthy, they wouldn't remain a mod for very long.

I also disagree. I can think of some stuff, but I'm not here to sling feces.

Kaylinn
01-15-2008, 07:07 PM
^ Maybe I should have said, I would hope if a mod did something point worth they wouldn't remain a mod for long.

I like that mods have control ovr their section, and each have their own style, however, I feel it would be more beneficial to have a site wide system for punishment. If you do this, you get that, no questions asked. Using a discretionary system where each mod can decide what or who to punish leaves room for favoritism and inconsistancies.
It would also be nice to be able to see the list of crimes and punishments. For example, a list that says if you spam, you automaticially get banned. If you start a flame war intentionally, you getbanned. If your temper flares up in a heated thread, and you say somethign out of line, you getwarned on the first offence, pointed on the second. I would just like to be able to know a clear cut set of rules and punishments.

scarlett_vancouver
01-15-2008, 07:23 PM
I really appreciate the work the mods do, as I dont envy the job in the least. A volunteer position where you get treated like shit for trying to keep things running smoothly. Woo.

That said, since everyone makes mistakes, mods do too. The real test lies in how they deal with errors in judgement. I sure hope that reconsidering and/or reversing decisions deemed innecessarily harsh is in the mod rulebook.

Jenny
01-15-2008, 07:30 PM
Kaylinn, I understand what you are saying. I do. And I get suspicion of excessive discretion. But look at the other side; would it be "fair" to treat a troll invasion with the same consideration we might treat you? Plus there are always a lot of people who are on the line. There is no way a simple list of offences could anticipate every possible abuse.

On the upside - it is quite rare that people are confused about what is and isn't allowed. I mean - people know when they've been mean, when they've been rude etc., and they know if they do it all the time.

BrunetteGoddess
01-15-2008, 07:33 PM
I'm really upset by the recent decision regarding a long standing member. She was treated as harshly as a 'troll' invasion, and I think it's BS.

That's all I'll say. Hey, I don't envy the things mods have to deal with, so what they say goes I suppose.

scarlett_vancouver
01-15-2008, 07:34 PM
It would also be nice to be able to see the list of crimes and punishments.

There's a points list somewhere, isn't there? That has the breakdown of how many points are given for certain common infractions? Don't tell me I dreamed that up, that would be beyond lame.

BrunetteGoddess
01-15-2008, 07:36 PM
^^ Something about that last sentence made me :laughing:

Jenny
01-15-2008, 07:37 PM
BG - that has been well and truly discussed. Let's not import a mod hate-fest, please? I realize that is not what you intended, but you know it's going to happen.

kitty260
01-15-2008, 07:45 PM
There's a points list somewhere, isn't there? That has the breakdown of how many points are given for certain common infractions? Don't tell me I dreamed that up, that would be beyond lame.

No, it does exist, unless we've had the exact same dream. I just don't remember where.

BrunetteGoddess
01-15-2008, 07:49 PM
BG - that has been well and truly discussed. Let's not import a mod hate-fest, please? I realize that is not what you intended, but you know it's going to happen.

K, sorry Jenny.

LoveSexMoney
01-15-2008, 07:54 PM
No, it does exist, unless we've had the exact same dream. I just don't remember where.

I remember seeing it in the past too. It used to be linked up near the "my settings" line from what I remember but I don't think it's visible anymore, if it is then it sure is well hidden!

Jenny
01-15-2008, 07:57 PM
K, sorry Jenny.
Thank you. I'm just feeling very sensitive today.:'(;)

Kaylinn
01-15-2008, 08:21 PM
Kaylinn, I understand what you are saying. I do. And I get suspicion of excessive discretion. But look at the other side; would it be "fair" to treat a troll invasion with the same consideration we might treat you? Plus there are always a lot of people who are on the line. There is no way a simple list of offences could anticipate every possible abuse.

On the upside - it is quite rare that people are confused about what is and isn't allowed. I mean - people know when they've been mean, when they've been rude etc., and they know if they do it all the time.

That's true, I thought of that as well, and I agree it wouildn't be fair to treat long time members with the same concideration as long time mebers in good standing, but as you said, people know when they are wrong, and do it anyway. In those cases, it is a complete disregard and disrespect of the forum and of the mod.

I don't know. I personall have no complains of the way things are run around here. I know the rules, I try to follw them, try not to dtir shit and get involved in drama. And I've never gotten pointed. I think the mods do a good job and are fair in most cases.

Pamela
01-15-2008, 08:47 PM
That's true, I thought of that as well, and I agree it wouildn't be fair to treat long time members with the same concideration as long time mebers in good standing, but as you said, people know when they are wrong, and do it anyway. In those cases, it is a complete disregard and disrespect of the forum and of the mod.

I don't know. I personall have no complains of the way things are run around here. I know the rules, I try to follw them, try not to dtir shit and get involved in drama. And I've never gotten pointed. I think the mods do a good job and are fair in most cases.

Kaylinn this is what has happened. Thanks for understanding, it's tough for us Mods. You guys out here don't see the whole picture.

Kaylinn
01-15-2008, 09:48 PM
^ I wasn't speaking of that incident, I was speaking in general because I have already stated my opinion on that incdent, and this isn't the time or place to discuss it.
I know that what mods do is moderated among themselves, and if the rest of the mods felt it was appropriate, then such is life. If other mods felt it was inappropriate, then I assume that has been talked abotu and resolved. I don't question mod action, because I know that everythign you guys do concerning posints or banning is public info amongst yuorselves.

I also understand that we don't see the whole picture, and we don't quite grasp the whole Mod thing, mbeing that we have never done it. I'm sure if I had a week in the hot seat as a mod, I would have a better understanding and a much ifferent opinion. That is why i try not to question what mods do, and I assume and hope that Mods have gotten that position for a reason, adn can be trusted to do a good job, and I truust that if a certain mod isn't doing a good job, then the issue will be taken under concideration and addressed.

AlexxaHex
01-15-2008, 10:31 PM
On the extremely rare event that I get annoyed by someone elses post, I generally don't bother to reply. Leaves the other person with the sound of one hand clapping.

But what's the point in getting angry with anyone on here anyway:

(a) It's extremely unlikely we're going to meet in person

and

(b) Life's too short to waste on getting uptight in cyberspace.

Phil.

This is my new M.O.
For one I like leaving people in the dust if I feel I can't communicate what I need to say while changing their minds or getting my point across. And for two, I'm a mom and I just don't have time anymore.

Kaylinn
01-15-2008, 10:33 PM
^ don't leave me n the dust! I still hold high hopes of meeting you someday. We are friend soul mates.

AlexxaHex
01-15-2008, 10:38 PM
OF COURSE NOT YOU!! :P I mean people who come here with a closed mind and have dumb ways of arguing. That's definitely not you. That sentence I just wrote sounded stupid actually but I am exhausted and can't think of any other intelligent way to say it.

Djoser
01-16-2008, 05:55 AM
That sentence I just wrote sounded stupid actually but I am exhausted and can't think of any other intelligent way to say it.

How dare you exhaust yourself being a mom and confuse us! I would point you, but then I'd get points for being off topic, LOL.

I bet you are a great mom, too, it makes my heart warm to think of it.

Way off topic, sorry...

Pamela
01-16-2008, 12:08 PM
^ I wasn't speaking of that incident, I was speaking in general because I have already stated my opinion on that incdent, and this isn't the time or place to discuss it.
I know that what mods do is moderated among themselves, and if the rest of the mods felt it was appropriate, then such is life. If other mods felt it was inappropriate, then I assume that has been talked abotu and resolved. I don't question mod action, because I know that everythign you guys do concerning posints or banning is public info amongst yuorselves.

I also understand that we don't see the whole picture, and we don't quite grasp the whole Mod thing, mbeing that we have never done it. I'm sure if I had a week in the hot seat as a mod, I would have a better understanding and a much ifferent opinion. That is why i try not to question what mods do, and I assume and hope that Mods have gotten that position for a reason, adn can be trusted to do a good job, and I truust that if a certain mod isn't doing a good job, then the issue will be taken under concideration and addressed.

This is why Mods. need Tasia or Pryce....who checks on us? We do disagree...try to work out a better way of doing things that actually make us all happy on the board...however where there be humans there be mistakes.

I believe in being a team player when one is assigned a mod. :)

AlexxaHex
01-16-2008, 12:23 PM
How dare you exhaust yourself being a mom and confuse us! I would point you, but then I'd get points for being off topic, LOL.

I bet you are a great mom, too, it makes my heart warm to think of it.

Way off topic, sorry...

:heartbeat Again, Djoser wins more points! The GOOD kind. :D

Lola Rose
01-16-2008, 12:59 PM
That is a cool idea. like, winning cool points!

I am seriously more intelligent and elloquent then I sound on here.

RandomUser
01-16-2008, 01:36 PM
This board runs extremely well with a broad range of people writing on it. Very supportive. There was just one occasion where a mod closed a thread for posters being rude? I didn't see it. But there are tons of threads where content is repeated. If the board was run badly most of the members would have gripes with mods. I have been on bad boards like that.

I have modded long ago also and I quickly grew tired of mail to me that was vague, accusatory, inane, gibberish. Not to say that that occurs on this board. But bad content to me resulted in a "shape up" or "logoff" email to the sender. A few innocent bystanders may have been tagged, but really I had no time for that type of content. We would always have a "primal room" that we didn't mod, but people would bleed that stuff over into the regular rooms also.

stellaforstars
01-16-2008, 01:46 PM
^^Hehe. Oh hon. Countless threads have been closed due to drama llamas.

And there have been plenty of threads with mod gripes. Not that the mods necessarily deserve that, of course. Just don't fool yourself into thinking this board is that peaceful, because it's definitely not, a lot of the time.

I still wouldn't trade it for anything.

britt244
01-16-2008, 01:49 PM
That is a cool idea. like, winning cool points!

I am seriously more intelligent and elloquent then I sound on here.

and i'm much nicer than i come off! haha.. i have a bad temper and that's kinda not a big deal. ::) but i'm super nice in person! anyone who has met me can vouch for that.. especially one poster who i know didnt really like me from just online, and now we work together and (as far as i know lol) she likes me and we talk regularly!

Pamela
01-16-2008, 01:59 PM
It's a Mod Mod world!