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Will
01-05-2008, 02:03 PM
Either way, I'm relatively pleased with the outcome so far... I'll try not to fuck it up, lol

Dude, at this point it's all mental masturbation. She called, and that's cool. At this point, it's simple: you ask her out, and you meet outside the club and see what happens. At this point, being she did call, if you can’t gather up the nads to ask her out on date, it’s going to flounder from here. She will either say “ I don’t date customers but thanks” or “I would love to, where do you want to eat?” Take it from there.

mbillie1
01-05-2008, 02:07 PM
Yeah you're right. I'll just call and ask. I hafta wait til next weekend regardless to do anything socially, and that'll provide a "Swingers"-esque 6-7 days of waiting, which I believe is probably "money, baby"

Djoser
01-05-2008, 02:19 PM
You should definitely use the Pick Up Artist 'Dis Ploy' on her.

Cast aspersion on her culinary skill in some obscure way that makes her want to prove to you she's the best cook ever, lol! If that doesn't get you an invitation, nothing will.

mbillie1
01-05-2008, 02:30 PM
"I dunno, I don't think anyone can beat my mom's tiramisu... I'll try yours, but just know that the bar is set pretty high"

Djoser
01-05-2008, 02:35 PM
No, no--not that!

Don't even mention your mom. Figure out a way to slight her skill, maybe--but don't bring your mom into it, lol!

Paris
01-05-2008, 02:37 PM
Holy shit, a Pie Chart!

A new level has been achieved in 'Does she really like me' thread history.

No shit! lol!

mbillie1
01-05-2008, 02:54 PM
No, no--not that!

Don't even mention your mom. Figure out a way to slight her skill, maybe--but don't bring your mom into it, lol!


hmm I will remember this ;D this forum is a goldmine for the valuable information about women that I lack by having spent most of my 20s in one long strange relationship lol

Djoser
01-05-2008, 02:59 PM
Well I don't know if the 'Neg Ploy' will even work, and have some moral question in my mind as to whether it should be used, in general. I'm just having fun with it.

But yeah, leave mom out of it if you try that, lol!

Katrine
01-05-2008, 04:56 PM
Yeah you're right. I'll just call and ask. I hafta wait til next weekend regardless to do anything socially, and that'll provide a "Swingers"-esque 6-7 days of waiting, which I believe is probably "money, baby"

Bad idea. Are you aware of how many guys she dances for every night? And how many of them ask her out? Within the next week, easily 100 different men. There may be another charmer or 3 amongst them. The longer you wait to call, the more opportunity she gets to completely forget about you.

Call her tomorrow.

mbillie1
01-05-2008, 05:09 PM
Bad idea. Are you aware of how many guys she dances for every night? And how many of them ask her out? Within the next week, easily 100 different men. There may be another charmer or 3 amongst them. The longer you wait to call, the more opportunity she gets to completely forget about you.

Call her tomorrow.


Even though we already spoke on the phone? I will definitely defer to the judgment of the dancers/experienced people/not me here, I'm just wondering if she'll think I'm badgering her

Katrine
01-05-2008, 05:13 PM
Even though we already spoke on the phone? I will definitely defer to the judgment of the dancers/experienced people/not me here, I'm just wondering if she'll think I'm badgering her

Oh grow a pair. Call her on a Sunday, ask her if she would like to get a cup of coffee. Don't ask her to dinner, or anything time consuming. Have her meet you at a cool, hip local coffee shop. Don't ask to pick her up. Respect her privacy and allow her to remain in her comfort zone.

Chat, get to know one another. And be yourself. Don't worry about "negs" and stupid gamer shit. If that isn't your personality, then good for you.


This, of course, assumes she says yes. This way, you won't have to spend a lot of time or money to see if you both click. KISS (keep it simple stupid)

mbillie1
01-05-2008, 05:22 PM
This forum is like a crash course in women's psychology for me :) lol

threlayer
01-05-2008, 05:49 PM
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BINGO !!!

Phil-W
01-06-2008, 04:35 AM
Bad idea. Are you aware of how many guys she dances for every night? And how many of them ask her out? Within the next week, easily 100 different men.

And therein lies the problem for any dancer - sorting out the wheat from the chaff. Dancers will in the course of their week get asked many times, and hidden in amongst the 99% of guys that the dancers has no interest in will be the 1% that she may like.

Given also many dancers have had bad experiences from seeing guys OTC, in my experience many come to a wide, pejudicial conclusion about seeng a customer outside of work - like don't do it.

I suspect from mbillie1's posts that she's a genuinely nice person, but her problem is the wheat/chaff ratio.


Oh grow a pair. Call her on a Sunday, ask her if she would like to get a cup of coffee. Don't ask her to dinner, or anything time consuming. Have her meet you at a cool, hip local coffee shop. Don't ask to pick her up. Respect her privacy and allow her to remain in her comfort zone.

I'm gonna disagree with Katrine a little on tactics here. I'd suggest going in a couple of times more before inviting her for a cup of coffee. At the moment mbillie1 is the nice customer who came in and spent a fair bit of money.

I get on well with quite a number of dancers, and I've been told one of the main reasons why is that I never talk to them as a customer would, but as part of a perfectly normal conversation. Accordingly, they feel I'm someone they can relax with, and gradually they move me out of their mental 'customer' category.

Thus also with mbillie1. If she's going to get a 'yes' to her coffee invitation, the dancer has to feel that mbillie1 is a person whom it will nice to see outside of work. I'd argue that stage one is being nice to the dancer at work, so she feels it would be equally nice to see her for a coffee. Ask too quickly, and she'll get played as one of the 99%.

Couldn't agree more about respecting the dancer's comfort zone. If she's going to meet you for a coffee it's a big mental step. You get to see the real her and she may take a bit of time to trust you enough to let you very far into her private life.

Phil.

Katrine
01-06-2008, 04:57 AM
I'm gonna disagree with Katrine a little on tactics here. I'd suggest going in a couple of times more before inviting her for a cup of coffee. At the moment mbillie1 is the nice customer who came in and spent a fair bit of money.

I get on well with quite a number of dancers, and I've been told one of the main reasons why is that I never talk to them as a customer would, but as part of a perfectly normal conversation. Accordingly, they feel I'm someone they can relax with, and gradually they move me out of their mental 'customer' category.


Nonononononononono!

How many of these dancers are you fucking Phil? Don't answer, rhetorical.

So he's going to go into her place of work and try to waste her time getting to know her in the club? When she is in the zone, and in dancer-persona? WRONG!

There are plenty of guys who come into the club that are capable of normal, pleasant conversation. Those guys aren't that rare, you just don't hear your dancers friends nor girls on SW complaining about that normal, average guy.

If he wants to see her, he needs to call her tomorrow, chat her up a bit, then ask her out for somethin quick and casual. They don't have to do it that day, just as long as he is ASSERTIVE and goes for what he is interested in.

Don't beat around the bush like a like bitch. If you want to ask her out, just do it ASAP. If she makes excuses, she isn't interested. That simple. Why drag this on for another month?

Wow, Phil, way to cockblock the kid. :-\

misslizzy
01-06-2008, 05:21 AM
The philosophy + lolcats + pie charts in this conversation is seriously way hot.

The "does she like me..." not so much.

This is what I get for opening a thread just to find out how the hell a "does she like me" got to 5 pages.

Budai
01-06-2008, 06:18 AM
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What software were you running, WGT?

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twisterinAZ
01-06-2008, 10:25 AM
You should definitely use the Pick Up Artist 'Dis Ploy' on her.

Cast aspersion on her culinary skill in some obscure way that makes her want to prove to you she's the best cook ever, lol! If that doesn't get you an invitation, nothing will.

or try pole tricks if all else fails

Will
01-06-2008, 10:26 AM
Even though we already spoke on the phone? I will definitely defer to the judgment of the dancers/experienced people/not me here, I'm just wondering if she'll think I'm badgering her

Oh no, this is going to segway into a "how long is too long to wait 'till you call?" threads! /:O

The girls will have better advice than I will on that issue, but a few days is fine, a week or so may be too long.

Will
01-06-2008, 10:28 AM
This forum is like a crash course in women's psychology for me :) lol

That's your first mistake: don't think you will ever understand women's psychology }:D

twisterinAZ
01-06-2008, 10:33 AM
Wow. You two are so deep and intelligent. Your knowledge on women knows no bounds.

twisterinAZ
01-06-2008, 10:36 AM
And here's a neat idea : talk about it in a forum for dancers :D

Custies are so clueless. Even now they don't get it.

*ahem*

Will
01-06-2008, 10:41 AM
Wow. You two are so deep and intelligent. Your knowledge on women knows no bounds.


If you are talking to me as part of the two, I have given no advice on women to him per se, other than to make a joke (hence the smile face) that men will never fully understand female psychology. It was a joke, so if you had a humor bypass operation as a kid or something, my bad. If you were not talking to me, my apologies in advance.

Will
01-06-2008, 10:42 AM
And here's a neat idea : talk about it in a forum for dancers :D

Custies are so clueless. Even now they don't get it.

*ahem*

Again, not sure who you are talking about, but I am not a "custie." Thank you.

twisterinAZ
01-06-2008, 10:49 AM
I think you are one. Otherwise how did you find your way on to SW ?

You are one of the two.....CUSTIE.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we all think that of you and your unsolicited advice. Custie.

twisterinAZ
01-06-2008, 10:53 AM
Don't make me post on your roid rage forum.

zxcire
01-06-2008, 11:05 AM
Laugh if you want, but I kinda like the pie chart! It seems like something I would do. I'm also partial to pros and cons lists. But that's because I tend to be over-analytical and intellectualize everything...which is all fine and dandy until you're sleeping with a pie chart and still don't know what you really want to know.

Turn off the brain man and just go for what you want. You will find out either way but in the end it's much cooler than a pie chart and unanswered questions!!!!

Will
01-06-2008, 11:15 AM
I think you are one. Otherwise how did you find your way on to SW ?

Fair enough question. I was asked to do an interview by by a gal named Abriana, who own a site called “Abriana’s ExoticDancerCollege.” I recall she found me through one of my articles in the fitness mags, and emailed me, but I am not 100% sure about that as it’s been a while. Anyway, I did this interview for her on fitness for dancers:

http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46456

As it’s not uncommon for your fitness/figure models and competitors to be current or ex dancer types, I used to send them to her site to read that article. One day, I hit the link and it took me to SW. Don’t know if Abriana sold her site to SW, or what ever, but that’s how that happened. Sort of been here ever since on and off ever since. Is there something wrong with that?


You are one of the two.....CUSTIE.

That would be incorrect.


Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we all think that of you and your unsolicited advice. Custie.

Are you sure you should be speaking for everyone here? You may be correct I don't know (or care) but I don't think you should take it on yourself to speak for everyone here either.

I also don’t see being a “custy” as relevant to the conversation, but what ever. For the record, I stepped into a dance club for the first time at age 35 and have probably been to a dance club perhaps a dozen times between then and now, and it’s been at least a few years since, which is shame if you ask me!

Last time was at the Arnold Classic two years ago I recall. :-\

xdamage
01-06-2008, 11:17 AM
Holy Fuck, a pie chart. You out-geek me!!!

Unwanted advice - Be yourself, and think less when it comes to love. Act and let the chips fall where they will. If she likes you cool, and if she doesn't move on. There is nothing worse then trying to convince someone to want you who doesn't. Even if you eventually convince them, in the long run it will be screwed up.

Will
01-06-2008, 11:18 AM
Don't make me post on your roid rage forum.

(1) you can post anywhere you f-ing want to
(2) if you are going to insult a person, please learn to quote them or refer to them so at least we know who you are insulting.
(3) up yours

SundayMorning
01-06-2008, 11:51 AM
I like mbillie. That is all.

shasta
01-06-2008, 01:49 PM
I whole-heartedly agree with Katrine. Call her, go on a casual coffee date. If you guys click then maybe go for a walk and window shop or whatever.
Don't wait. Be resectful. Be relaxed.

mbillie1
01-06-2008, 02:04 PM
She called again yesterday, and she said she'd call me again today (not sure - she just said "I'll call you tomorrow!" before she hung up)

I am not in a good place to be making decisions now though lol... just had a very ugly fight with the recent ex so I'm feeling kinda crappy. Regardless, I appreciate the responses guys :)

More pie charts to come obviously ;)

Katrine
01-06-2008, 03:37 PM
She called again yesterday, and she said she'd call me again today (not sure - she just said "I'll call you tomorrow!" before she hung up)

I am not in a good place to be making decisions now though lol... just had a very ugly fight with the recent ex so I'm feeling kinda crappy. Regardless, I appreciate the responses guys :)


OMFG, what decisions need to be made? Aaaargh, you remind me of some of my loser guy friends from college that never got laid because they over-analyzed every minute detail. Now they are trying to the the "pickup artist" thing.

When you are feeling social, call her. Pick up phone. Call. She called you last, its totally, 100% cool for the ball to be in your court.

You have a fighting chance man, right now. Not in a week. In a week you will be forgotten. I promise you.

If she doesn't want to go out, makes excuses, tries to get you to come to the club..then you are her custy, and enjoy the business relationship for what it is.

mbillie1
01-06-2008, 03:52 PM
8) niceee

Will
01-06-2008, 03:59 PM
OMFG, what decisions need to be made? Aaaargh, you remind me of some of my loser guy friends from college that never got laid because they over-analyzed every minute detail.

It’s called ‘paralysis by analysis' and he's got it bad...:O

Phil-W
01-06-2008, 04:18 PM
I think Katrine's right in this one (waves white flag towards Ukranian person).

If she's ringing you she's:

(a) Decided you're a possible regular

or

(b) Decided she likes you as a person and would probably accept an invitation to meet her OTC.

I'm kinda inclined to think the winning answer will be (b). This could one of the rare "does she like me" threads that have a happy ending for the OP.

"There is a tide in the affairs of men.
Which taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries".

Phil.

OdysseusNJ
01-06-2008, 04:42 PM
Ugh, after a brief hiatus coming back to this thread is kind of nauseating. Billie do exactly what Katrine says and you may have a small chance. All you need to know has already been said:


Oh grow a pair. Call her on a Sunday


If you don't have the cajones to ask her out then she probably doesn't like you.

Mastridonicus
01-06-2008, 04:48 PM
Garnish an envelope containing your phone number with hundred dollar bills. Repeat till she calls.

twisterinAZ
01-06-2008, 06:14 PM
(1) you can post anywhere you f-ing want to
(2) if you are going to insult a person, please learn to quote them or refer to them so at least we know who you are insulting.
(3) up yours

Oh my . It seems that a nerve has been touched here:D

RoseWhite
01-06-2008, 06:21 PM
This is what I get for opening a thread just to find out how the hell a "does she like me" got to 5 pages.

That was exactly why *I* opened it too! So surprised to wind up getting . . .

:sing: I-I-I-I-I-I-I--
--mmanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable,
Heidegger Heidegger was a boozy beggar who could drink you under the table,
David Hume could outconsume Wilhelm Freidrich Hegel,
And Wittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel!

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach ye 'bout the raising of the wrist -
Socrates himself was permanently piiiiisssssseeeeeed!

Cheers! *belch* (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQycQ8DABvc&feature=related)

:drunk:

Will
01-07-2008, 07:19 AM
Oh my . It seems that a nerve has been touched here:D

At least you quoted correctly.

mbillie1
01-07-2008, 07:57 AM
Garnish an envelope containing your phone number with hundred dollar bills. Repeat till she calls.


If I was this balla I wouldn't sweat it in the first place ;) lol