View Full Version : Arrested At Club--Experience with getting bond, etc.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 02:47 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but $1000 seems like a small price to help a friend who happens to be innocent, as you've stated. You also said that she's a good person, willing to help others... You seem to believe that buying her 3 weeks isn't worth a grand. Do you have any clue what jail can be like? All I can say is hope you never find out...
Agreed 100%
Obviously Kyle is going to think over his freakin options to death and meanwhile shes stuck in jail. Maybe in 6 months he'll come to a decision. Obviously he really doesnt care (if this is a true life situation) and not a bunch of BS crap.
You obviously do NOT care about this girl or give a flying f*ck what happens to her or youd be going to each and every bonds company finding one that will get her out.
But thats my opinion - I think youre an idiot.
Melonie
01-14-2008, 02:55 PM
I'm still amazed that this girl is being held in custody without being arraigned for a period of 3 weeks ! Under those circumstances, I would have thought that the most brain-dead public defender could have filed a Habeus Corpus writ to force the local cops / DA to either formally charge her or release her. Something smells extremely fishy ...
... like for example, she was actually arraigned right after she was busted, a specific charge was listed, bail was set, nobody paid the bail, and whoosh off she went to the county lockup awaiting her trial date. Perhaps the DA is considering summary dismissal of the case, or perhaps the DA is working with the PD on a plea bargain, but unless the 'rule book' has been totally thrown out the window she HAS been charged with a crime. Not only that, but the crime is serious enough that 3 weeks of jail time constitutes a small percentage of the typical sentence for being found guilty of that crime.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 02:55 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but $1000 seems like a small price to help a friend who happens to be innocent, as you've stated. You also said that she's a good person, willing to help others... You seem to believe that buying her 3 weeks isn't worth a grand. Do you have any clue what jail can be like? All I can say is hope you never find out...
I visited her. It is hell. BELIEVE IT. She is tiny and doesn't eat much, but she claims the food portions are very small even for a person like herself. Unfortunately, I can believe it. She went in just a little underweight or perhaps the right weight. She might be bones by the time I see her. :(
Well, I see it as an extortion rackett. In fact, The Herald had a story years back about how some bondspeople were working with judges or maybe it was just clerks and the bondsperson never risked any of the posted bond. Just collected premiums. It is a sweet game for everyone except those having premiums extorted out of them.
Her brother is having trouble just putting a $20 in her account! Yes, I understand that for a good number of people $1,000 is nothing. And, under different circumstances like an honest court system it wouldn't be much too me either. Without an honest court system, the game changes. I become extremely distrustful. For example, the often repeated nonsense about getting a lawyer. That ime is just plain stupid. Even if all the attorneys explain the law and case as if they were clones it still comes down to having honest judges and an honest system.
nicole84
01-14-2008, 03:01 PM
Okay, I could say a lot here, but several girls have already spoken up very similarly to what I would say, and done it better than I could probably, so I will simply say this:
Either put the damn money up to get her out if it means that much to you, or jump ship, so to speak.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 03:06 PM
You are an idiot. Stop your damn whining. We get it - you dont want to bond her out. My God your ignorance must be bliss.
What, exactly, was the point of this thread? You obviously dont want to bond her out so why start a thread asking what you already knew?!
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 03:13 PM
I'm still amazed that this girl is being held in custody without being arraigned for a period of 3 weeks ! Under those circumstances, I would have thought that the most brain-dead public defender could have filed a Habeus Corpus writ to force the local cops / DA to either formally charge her or release her. Something smells extremely fishy ...
... like for example, she was actually arraigned right after she was busted, a specific charge was listed, bail was set, nobody paid the bail, and whoosh off she went to the county lockup awaiting her trial date. Perhaps the DA is considering summary dismissal of the case, or perhaps the DA is working with the PD on a plea bargain, but unless the 'rule book' has been totally thrown out the window she HAS been charged with a crime.
Yes, she has been charged and $10,000 bail set. However, the arraignment date is for the 22nd where the government will decide whether to proceed and the judge will decide if there is enough evidence to proceed.
I learned today a Pre-Trial Service Release Motion will be filed. I still haven't spoken to her public defender. The law means diddley, but her public defender's opinion is very important to me in that they have experience as far as what to expect. If the public defender says she will be rotting, then I have to get together with her brother and see what papers if any he is willing to sign with the bondsperson. I have the money so it comes down to what the bailbondsperson is willing to do.
I also learned she is still alive and breathing, but perhaps pissed off because she hasn't called me or it could be she didn't want to wait forever for a broken phone like the last time I tried to speak with her. I don't blame her for being pissed. But, heck don't just be pissed with me. Be pissed with the government. Be pissed with the "real" friends. Be pissed with mom and dad who are so religious that they want to see you rot.
I'm pissed with those who assume $1,000 is nothing to everyone. Well, I was raised to cut coupons, only buy on sale, eat bad food, wear second-hand clothes, etc. etc. etc. Also, I was raised to believe theft is wrong. Thus, I don't appreciate having money extorted from me for no good reason. Have the damn arraignment and let's get the bs moving.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 03:22 PM
Don't worry I will jump ship if I have to risk more than $1,000. I already told her that, btw. Supposedly, some bondspeople offer no collateral bonds. Heaven forbid, I ask if there are any dancers in this area who have experience with this garbage.
It is like when I need a car repaired. I read, ask questions especially about other people's experiences, and comparison shop. It might take a few weeks, but then I don't have endless amounts of money to give away. This poor girl gets ripped off, big time when it comes to fixing her car. After all these years, I still think she may still be doing the same bs because she isn't into cars.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 03:26 PM
I'm pissed with those who assume $1,000 is nothing to everyone.
Hmmmm, ok
I actually put my money where my mouth is unlike her "real" friends.
And where is this supposed mouth you speak of?
Did you forget about this post?
I already have a $1,000 to help her out and have already spent $200 that I will never see again. However, I'm not 1) going to risk more than $1,000
And this one
So, I'm willing to lose $1,000
And this one
I'm not that concerned with a $1,000.
Uhm, ok dude, whatever, youre so full of it - you talk out of both sides of your mouth. Or maybe just the one in the first post? Or maybe another one?!
So you say youll risk $1000 but then again youre all worried about this and that and blah blah blah. What is the deal? You make no friggen sense - all you do is argue with posts.Ive never seen so many excuses about one thing in my LIFE. Shes smart to not talk to you anymore - probably got sick of the runaround which is what this is.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 03:48 PM
Hi AudreyLeigh,
I have absolutely NO idea what you're posting about. None.
I've been very clear. I won't risk more than a $1,000 (for a bond premium) and I will wait to see what happens on the 22nd. A number of things can happen at the arraignment. The government may decide not to proceed. The government will proceed, but the judge decides there is insufficient evidence and dismisses the case. The judge decides to release Michelle with a simple promise to appear for trial. The government, judge, and public defender decide Michelle will be released immediately if she accepts a plea deal. I mean the list of options that can happen at the arraignment date is extensive to put it mildly. EXTENSIVE.
Alia_of_the_Knife
01-14-2008, 03:55 PM
Kyle, its because you are keep b.s.ing and saying contradictory things. I have scanned your past posts thosts and realized that you are scitzophrenic. Most of the readers of stripperweb have very good reading comprehension skills but your crap makes no sense. You obviously don't give a damn about your friend since you are willing to let her rot in jail until she is arrainged. And not all of us are strippers. I am retired (for now) and only work 20 hours a week tutoring math but if a beloved friend or family member needed money for bond and I knew they were innocent, to hell or high water I would make bond money, and I would hope that they would do the same for me. I wouldn't wait until their arraingment, I would get them out as soon as I KNEW they were in jail.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 03:55 PM
Thank you!!!!
And for the record - Im no longer a dancer, I make $9/hr but if a friend or family member was in need you bet your ass I would do WHATEVER I could do to get them out. Id pawn every electronic I owned that day so they could be out. Youre sitting there with the money going blah blah blah.
scitzophrenic - that makes sense. I feel like Im going in circles and am like c'mon - you have to understand what Im saying one of these times but he never will. This poor girl. She was counting on you - thats why shes not talking to you anymore. Damn, I feel sorry for her.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 03:58 PM
Hmmmm, ok
And where is this supposed mouth you speak of?
Did you forget about this post?
And this one
And this one
Uhm, ok dude, whatever, youre so full of it - you talk out of both sides of your mouth. Or maybe just the one in the first post? Or maybe another one?!
So you say youll risk $1000 but then again youre all worried about this and that and blah blah blah. What is the deal? You make no friggen sense - all you do is argue with posts.Ive never seen so many excuses about one thing in my LIFE. Shes smart to not talk to you anymore - probably got sick of the runaround which is what this is.
Yes, I will risk $1,000 and if that was all there was then I wouldn't be too concerned. I keep getting the collateral bs. I'm not putting up any collateral or risking more than $1,000. Also, there is a HUGE difference between risking $1,000 and *giving* a bailbondsperson $1,000. Do you understand the difference?
Today, I will happily *risk* $1,000 to get Michelle out of jail. I won't *give away* $1,000 to get Michelle out of jail today. Do you see the difference? I don't think you do. I'm about 95% sure Michelle will show for trial and risking a $1,000 doesn't bother me even a little. She flees then I lose, but at least she is free temporarily. Giving away $1,000 dollars bothers me a great deal. Do you understand yet? I don't think so. Now, after the arraignment I'm willing to give away $1,000 if necessary so the Michelle can get out of jail. I will NOT put up collateral or get involved like that with a bondsperson!
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 04:05 PM
Yes, I will risk $1,000 and if that was all there was then I wouldn't be too concerned. I keep getting the collateral bs. I'm not putting up any collateral or risking more than $1,000. Also, there is a HUGE difference between risking $1,000 and *giving* a bailbondsperson $1,000. Do you understand the difference?
Today, I will happily *risk* $1,000 to get Michelle out of jail. I won't *give away* $1,000 to get Michelle out of jail today. Do you see the difference? I don't think you do. I'm about 95% sure Michelle will show for trial and risking a $1,000 doesn't bother me even a little. She flees then I lose, but at least she is free temporarily. Giving away $1,000 dollars bothers me a great deal. Do you understand yet? I don't think so. Now, after the arraignment I'm willing to give away $1,000 if necessary so the Michelle can get out of jail. I will NOT put up collateral or get involved like that with a bondsperson!
Haha - so youll *risk* it but you wont "give it away" which in anycase may be what you're doing when you *risk* it. :rotfl: Ummm, ok
Nope, still not understanding. Maybe you should explain this whole *risk* thing again. ::)
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 04:06 PM
I wonder about the reading skills.
There is a huge difference between giving away $1,000 and risking $1,000.
So far, I'm the only one spending money. You know putting money in her jail account costs money. Getting a prepaid telephone arrangement costs money. Paying her pawn tickets costs money. Driving to the jails and parking costs money.
Where oh where did you get the idea it was just a $1,000? I wish!!! No, an uneducated person might be fooled into believing that. Her brother or someone besides me will need to sign papers and or put up collateral that will far exceed the "mere" $1,000 premium.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 04:06 PM
So, I ask again, what is the point of this thread when you obviously already knew what you were going to do in the first place which is wait for an arraignment?
Ive bonded people out. I would never bond someone out that I didnt trust because if they dont go to trial I *risk* :rotfl: owing the entire bail. You dont trust her. OK, got it. Youre afraid she wont go to trial. OK, got it.
So I'll post again
So, I ask again, what is the point of this thread when you obviously already knew what you were going to do in the first place which is wait for an arraignment?
CuriousJ
01-14-2008, 04:08 PM
Ok you have started this post on 1/11 @6:30am its now 1/14 late afternoon.What have you done to help this person out ?
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 04:09 PM
Hes waiting until the arraignment on 1/22 to decide if hell bond her out then.
So, in essence - the only thing hes done is provide me amusement on the internet. :D
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 04:12 PM
Yep and there is a HUGE difference. LOL! Risking the $1,000 I *may* indeed be giving it permanently to the court. That ain't a problem--it is just a deal that went South.
Giving the $1,000 it is completely gone and I have NO chance of getting it back even if Michelle does everything on time and correctly as per the judge's orders .
Big big difference. Sorry, if you still can't see the difference between risking $1,000 and giving away $1,000.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 04:14 PM
#1 rule to remember when "loaning" or "risking" money.
Always make sure its money youre willing to "lose" i.e. "give away"
THATS why your posts seem so ignorant to me. And it makes me LOL that you think Im a total idiot because I am very smart and understand and comprehend some of your posts - the few that make any sense at all.
But what makes me LOL the most is that you still havent answered the question Ive posted oh, 1/2 a dozen times.
What was the point of this thread if you already knew what you were going to do in the first place?
Alia_of_the_Knife
01-14-2008, 04:16 PM
Yep and there is a HUGE difference. LOL! Risking the $1,000 I *may* indeed be giving it permanently to the court. That ain't a problem--it is just a deal that went South.
Giving the $1,000 it is completely gone and I have NO chance of getting it back even if Michelle does everything on time and correctly as per the judge's orders .
Big big difference. Sorry, if you still can't see the difference between risking $1,000 and giving away $1,000.
I understand the difference very well. Hence I don't understand the whole point of you:
Not a pleasant subject.
The dancer has been in jail for 10 days and the arraignment is on the 22nd. There is a chance, maybe a good chance, that the charges will be dropped at that time. However, if the charges aren't dropped then I'd like to be prepared. Bond is currently set at $10,000 and my experience with bail bonds fortunately is zilch. I spoke with friends and those with experience were like be CAREFUL.
An positive experience dealing with bail bond companies especially in the Miami area? I'm not even sure the type of bond that I'm looking for exists i.e. no collateral or guarantee required just pay the non-refundable 10%.
This is just dumb.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 04:19 PM
An positive experience dealing with bail bond companies especially in the Miami area? I'm not even sure the type of bond that I'm looking for exists i.e. no collateral or guarantee required just pay the non-refundable 10%.
My positive bond experience
I paid bond on a guy I was dating because the idiot got a DUI. Said idiot went to mandated court dates. Never heard from courts or bond people again.
So, why is this chick still rotting in jail?
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 04:21 PM
How is it dumb? I think the charges will be dropped. If they aren't, then I *may* need a bailbondsperson.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 04:22 PM
I realize the bond may be lowered or eliminated.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 04:24 PM
Honey, if they were going to drop the charges it would have been done already. Shes been there what? 2 weeks now? I give up - you are too dense to penetrate.
SweetMelissa
01-14-2008, 04:30 PM
:O
Damn. My husband was arrested for something really stupid he did while we were living in Miami. I almost pissed my pants since I never had to deal with something like that before. Luckily the cops allowed me to follow them to the jail (and they didn't arrest me for punching my man in front of them after I found out they were going to arrest him). Once they took him inside I was all alone. I ended up sobbing in my car for maybe 2 hours freaking out.
Behind the jail there were two bondsmen offices. I went in to the one I felt most comfortable with and thank goodness the man in charge had a huge heart. I told him our life story almost and he allowed me to give him a 200 dollar check because that's all I had in my bank account at the time. The only collateral I had was my car so I had to hand over the title I think it was for that along with signing a bunch of papers. Once they got him out of jail a few hours later I wrote him another check of 300 dollars to let them know we were serious and weren't going to run. I don't remember what the bond amount was but definitely not 10 grand. /:O
Oh yeah, my husband thanked me without end once I got him out as soon as I could because he said it was one of the worst jails he's ever seen (and he used to be a cop) and he couldn't even imagine being left in there for weeks which he would have been if I didn't save his ass.
Alia_of_the_Knife
01-14-2008, 04:38 PM
How is it dumb? I think the charges will be dropped. If they aren't, then I *may* need a bailbondsperson.
It's dumb because there was no point to your original half dozen posts. You talked about her being locked up for 10 days like it was such a travesty, without mentioning the nature of the crime involved, but you end up being a-ok, hunky dory with having her locked up for a couple weeks while you sit with a thumb up your ass waiting for the arraignment. And you kept doing double talk and contradicting yourself several times.
God, I can't believe I am even typing this. In reality, your whole post stinks of trolldom due to the nonsensical nature and contradictions.
Brendita
01-14-2008, 04:50 PM
So, I ask again, what is the point of this thread when you obviously already knew what you were going to do in the first place which is wait for an arraignment?
That's what I was thinking when reading this whole thread, too.
Why is this thread still open?
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 04:55 PM
The idiot I wrote about had a $3000 bail -- the bond was $300 -- and that was for a DUI. This girl is in some serious trouble - theyve already held her 2 weeks and with $10k bail. Thats not a small amount. Theres a reason he wont say what shes in for (because like wed ever figure out who she or he were) but its definately not a small thing. Most likely prostitution (and not her first charge) - or maybe even selling drugs to undercovers. Of course she will say shes innocent. ::) And I think this is the reason Kyle is waiting for the arraignment. Because he wants some kind of proof that she may be innocent or he doesnt want to believe her guilt but will wait for the courts to decide that by dropping charges or going to trial. I have a feeling if shes been there this long with that high of bail the charges are not going to get dropped... And if we had this info and knew what the charges were we may be able to actually explain and help him but he will not discuss the charges therefor we can only speculate and therefor are getting nowhere. But Im done with this because Kyles going to do what he wants. He still hasnt answered the question Ive asked a dozen times. Hes not going to tell us what shes there for so hes just going in circles because we dont understand because of the missing pieces.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 05:02 PM
That's what I was thinking when reading this whole thread, too.
Why is this thread still open?
Its kinda funny to me but then again Im really bored - I smell BS crap but its funny to keep watching him stumble... }:D Im done now tho - Im going back to my cave...
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 05:02 PM
Hi SweetMelissa,
Sorry to hear what happened to you and your husband. Thanks for sharing. The Miami jails are nasty. It is hell, imo.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 05:19 PM
Travesty?
I dunno. I guess the government should be free to put people in dangerous jails without having an arraignment for almost 3 weeks. And, the government's bail bond extortion should definitely be encouraged. And, being allowed to timely call friends or family? Well, naw that wouldn't be right. Better to set up an elaborate rip off system.
Visitation? That is also an obstacle course. I'm just thrilled to be living in a free country. :)
It wouldn't shock me if she was seriously injured or killed while in government custody. Just part of the game. And, actually it would be good if Michelle thought poorly of me as long as she saw *ALL* the filth and fraud surrounding her; a bonus round if she refuses to help anyone in the future, which would be fantastic. She definitely knows the jail is extremely dangerous. But, I doubt she gave much thought to why her beloved government would do that to her. I doubt she ever will. Oh well, that is just normal.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 05:27 PM
Hmmmm, ok
And where is this supposed mouth you speak of?
Did you forget about this post?
And this one
And this one
Uhm, ok dude, whatever, youre so full of it - you talk out of both sides of your mouth. Or maybe just the one in the first post? Or maybe another one?!
So you say youll risk $1000 but then again youre all worried about this and that and blah blah blah. What is the deal? You make no friggen sense - all you do is argue with posts.Ive never seen so many excuses about one thing in my LIFE. Shes smart to not talk to you anymore - probably got sick of the runaround which is what this is.
The idiot I wrote about had a $3000 bail -- the bond was $300 -- and that was for a DUI. This girl is in some serious trouble - theyve already held her 2 weeks and with $10k bail. Thats not a small amount. Theres a reason he wont say what shes in for (because like wed ever figure out who she or he were) but its definately not a small thing. Most likely prostitution (and not her first charge) - or maybe even selling drugs to undercovers. Of course she will say shes innocent. ::) And I think this is the reason Kyle is waiting for the arraignment. Because he wants some kind of proof that she may be innocent or he doesnt want to believe her guilt but will wait for the courts to decide that by dropping charges or going to trial. I have a feeling if shes been there this long with that high of bail the charges are not going to get dropped... And if we had this info and knew what the charges were we may be able to actually explain and help him but he will not discuss the charges therefor we can only speculate and therefor are getting nowhere. But Im done with this because Kyles going to do what he wants. He still hasnt answered the question Ive asked a dozen times. Hes not going to tell us what shes there for so hes just going in circles because we dont understand because of the missing pieces.
A friend of friend had a bond of $15,000. After he spent 2 weeks in the jail, he was released with a mere promise to appear for trial. No bond or collateral required. I believe as with the girl there was an arraignment hearing the 3rd week, but I'm not sure what was done at the hearing.
I believe he accepted a very reasonable plea deal--no jail-- and large fine that he was allowed to pay in easy monthly installments. Except for the 2 week jail part, he supposedly wasn't too upset because the terms were so reasonable compared to all the years he was facing if he went to trial. He really supposedly was scared to death during those 2 weeks.
Very easy to believe. I was scared silly just visiting.
Kyle1111
01-14-2008, 05:30 PM
Assuming this thread isn't boxed or killed or whatever, then I'll keep you all informed.
I definitely think the girl needs better friends (yes, it wouldn't hurt her to dump me also).
I will hopefully see her in the morning.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 05:36 PM
It wouldn't shock me if she was seriously injured or killed while in government custody. Just part of the game.
Wow :O And you just leave her there!!!
I tried to stay away but seriously... if you really feel that way you are seriously dilusional.
Im picturing a dark, wet basement with big posters that consist of a giant 'A' with a circle around it.
gingerlee
01-14-2008, 05:57 PM
The Miami jails are nasty. It is hell, imo.
If it's hell, then why would you leave a 'friend' there?? Because you don't want to 'risk' $1000? That's not a friend IMO. Seriously, this entire thread is you giving excuses as to why you can't help somebody you supposedly care about.
Let me get in line to be your friend. ::)
buffie06
01-14-2008, 06:39 PM
I wonder about the reading skills.
There is a huge difference between giving away $1,000 and risking $1,000.
So far, I'm the only one spending money. You know putting money in her jail account costs money. Getting a prepaid telephone arrangement costs money. Paying her pawn tickets costs money. Driving to the jails and parking costs money.
Where oh where did you get the idea it was just a $1,000? I wish!!! No, an uneducated person might be fooled into believing that. Her brother or someone besides me will need to sign papers and or put up collateral that will far exceed the "mere" $1,000 premium.
Maybe because you said it like 50 times already! I can't believe some poor girl could actually tolerate you as a customer, aghhh! Seriously,this is not the place to come for advice when you won't divulge anything and you obviously don't want to help her. Are you looking to ease your conscience by pretending you want to help? Don't answer that, I already know the answer.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 06:46 PM
Maybe because you said it like 50 times already! I can't believe some poor girl could actually tolerate you as a customer, aghhh! Seriously,this is not the place to come for advice when you won't divulge anything and you obviously don't want to help her. Are you looking to ease your conscience by pretending you want to help? Don't answer that, I already know the answer.
So its not just me because I thought I was going crazy and seeing things... 8)
PhillyDancer1982
01-14-2008, 07:00 PM
Maybe because you said it like 50 times already! I can't believe some poor girl could actually tolerate you as a customer, aghhh! Seriously,this is not the place to come for advice when you won't divulge anything and you obviously don't want to help her. Are you looking to ease your conscience by pretending you want to help? Don't answer that, I already know the answer.
SERIOUSLY. I agree with you, Ginger Lee, and Audrey Leigh entirely here. What kind of "friend" is this guy? The most accurate thing that he probably said, was this:
I definitely think the girl needs better friends (yes, it wouldn't hurt her to dump me also).
What kind of "friend" or "good regular customer" would let her sit and rot in jail?
He sounds like as much of a "friend" as the "friends" that I had a few years ago, back when my parents kicked me to the street and I had no money and nowhere to go(again, this was a situation involving false accusations...part of the reason my parents kicked me out was because of some false accusations that they didn't find out to be untrue until almost a year later, at which point they apologized). I was at the mercy of M--k, who I guilt-tripped with suicide threats so that he would let me sleep on his sofa instead of leaving me to be homeless and freeze to death. As for everyone else that I was "friends" with at the time, they were flaky and they liked to talk a lot about how bad I had it(just like Kyle is talking all over SW about this girl's jail plight), but they didn't want to help. I guess that just talking about me to others, or giving me bullshit lines("Wow I feel really bad...explicative explicative explicative...wait you need to move in somewhere for a few weeks? Ugh...I think my goldfish died, later!"). I can't imagine how long these so-called "friends" of mine(whom I've since ditched) would have let ME rot in jail, if I'd been in that situation!
I agree that this guy feels guilty for letting the girl rot in jail, so perhaps he thinks that merely thinking about her or talking about it on SW will ease his conscience. Dude, talk(and think) is cheap! Talking about it, or thinking good things, will not actually help this girl get out of jail! She has bills to pay, a kid to feed, and instead she is in jail because of douchebag friends. Wow.
AudreyLeigh
01-14-2008, 07:08 PM
Not to mention in one of the posts he said she has a child. Could you imagine being her child and having your mother gone for so long?! And I wonder where the kid is? With the family that wont help her? Doubt it. Unless she doesnt have custody for some reason...
OMG If someone had the means to get me out and didnt and my daughter didnt know where mommy was or worse was told shes in jail.. I would die.
What a horrible "friend".
blondhottie
01-14-2008, 07:40 PM
I don't really have much to add that hasn't already been said. Jail sucks, and not knowing when you're getting out is one of the worst feelings in the world. If someone I cared about was in jail (and they didn't rape or kill someone), I would do everything in my power to get them out.
Anyone who would let a friend sit in jail for 10 days without doing everything in their power to help get them out is not a true friend.
Katrine
01-14-2008, 08:20 PM
We all have our political beliefs, and certain distrust of the government. That's well and dandy during a cocktail hour conversation, or even on anonymous message boards.
But if someone that I really knew, flesh and blood, was in your friend's situation, none of that will matter. You aren't going to reinvent the wheel overnight. Or even by the 22nd.
Yet you will leave a young mother, who obviously isn't very smart, to sit in a jail cell.
Its great news that you are a saver, not enough people save. But what are you saving for? What a waste you are.
Deogol
01-15-2008, 04:43 AM
I am thinking along the same lines as Katrine. This dude wants to be the knight in shining armor but is conflicted.
One side is "I could be a hero! After all this she will really pay attention to me! We'll be best buddies. No more just-a-customer for me!"
The other side is conflicting (hence the schizo behavior.) "I don't really know her or what's she's been into. Twenty bucks in the club is one thing - thousands at the police station is another. Inside my heart I know she will fucking walk or treat me like shit again."
OK, if this is an example of the "nice" guys you girls have been talking about - I take back everything I have ever said. He's nice enough to go wha wha wha but not nice enough to go out on the limb and put his money where his mouth is.
Kyle, if you don't have the money then you don't have the money. There is no shame in that. Bails bonds is highly regulated right down to what they can charge for their service. In the end one is interchangable with another like so many bolts in a bucket.
Kyle1111
01-15-2008, 08:43 AM
I am thinking along the same lines as Katrine. This dude wants to be the knight in shining armor but is conflicted.
One side is "I could be a hero! After all this she will really pay attention to me! We'll be best buddies. No more just-a-customer for me!"
The other side is conflicting (hence the schizo behavior.) "I don't really know her or what's she's been into. Twenty bucks in the club is one thing - thousands at the police station is another. Inside my heart I know she will fucking walk or treat me like shit again."
OK, if this is an example of the "nice" guys you girls have been talking about - I take back everything I have ever said. He's nice enough to go wha wha wha but not nice enough to go out on the limb and put his money where his mouth is.
Kyle, if you don't have the money then you don't have the money. There is no shame in that. Bails bonds is highly regulated right down to what they can charge for their service. In the end one is interchangable with another like so many bolts in a bucket.
Yeah, and judges follow the law----if only that were the case. But, people continue to believe the fraud.
I don't consider myself to be a nice guy because gee whiz I do value money at some point over people!!! :) And, in fact that is part of her problem in that she has this idea that I'm a nice guy. I'm super nice guy compared to a large number of people in the club, but that ain't saying much. It is a rough club. It is a club where dancers or customers can be arrested for any reason. Furthermore, the more I do for her the less I will receive, which makes perfect sense. Either I'm going to be her customer or her friend, but as she stated not both.
She also has this nonsense idea that seems fairly common that when I reject her it is because she isn't good enough. Actually, if she opened her eyes and her brain she would see that she shouldn't settle for a young bum or an old unattractive guy. She should raise her standards even if that means being alone for a time.
Kyle1111
01-15-2008, 09:04 AM
We all have our political beliefs, and certain distrust of the government. That's well and dandy during a cocktail hour conversation, or even on anonymous message boards.
But if someone that I really knew, flesh and blood, was in your friend's situation, none of that will matter. You aren't going to reinvent the wheel overnight. Or even by the 22nd.
Yet you will leave a young mother, who obviously isn't very smart, to sit in a jail cell.
Its great news that you are a saver, not enough people save. But what are you saving for? What a waste you are.
Hi Katrine,
I visited her this morning and something is definitely wrong. If she is just pissed with me, then that isn't bad news at all. She told me what a pleasant surprise it was to see me, blah, blah, blah. I told her that I wouldn't be getting involved in the bailbonds thing because imo the bailbondperson is just a thinly veiled extension of the government. It smells bad and I'm not set up to deal with that. So after the 22nd I explained that her brother would have the cash assuming she isn't released or the bond requirement dropped, but that was as far as I was going to go. I don't trust bondspersons and I have even less trust for the government. She loves the government and that is fine; she can think on that as she rots in jail.
Also, it seemed like something was wrong with the guard. Either I got lucky and I met a super nice person who just happens to working a tough job or it was more reason to be distrustful.
If not for my experiences in the civil courts, then I might see a brighter picture. Of course, the couple of defense attorneys that I knew socially years ago didn't make me feel any more trusting. Yes, they seemed like top quality people, however, their stories from working the courts were depressing. I didn't know her too well at all, but there was a very special ACLU attorney that was like WOW! Very sharp and hard working and she tried to focus on the positive, but I saw more negatives in her positive stories than anything else. She also saw me as a bum. :) A top quality person that I wish I had at least kept in touch with every year or so.
MissTaylor
01-15-2008, 10:04 AM
Also, it seemed like something was wrong with the guard. Either I got lucky and I met a super nice person who just happens to working a tough job or it was more reason to be distrustful.
.....A top quality person that I wish I had at least kept in touch with every year or so.
A guard was nice?! Holy Shit... hell froze over. I bet she's fucking him. That's gotta be it. I mean people with shitty jobs are NEVER nice. Ever. Seriously.
And another friend you wish you'd kept in touch with every year or so? Man... you are loyal. I WISH my friends would talk to me once a year or so.
/:O
242_fair
01-15-2008, 11:17 AM
Well this took the predicted turn for the weird.
It's safe to assume either
1) the arrested dancer does not actually exist, and the OP just wanted to drum up some conversation, since he is a lonely pathetic bastard with no personal life (or friends)
In the unlikely alternative,
2) there is no point in discussing with him since he's not gonna do anything to help a dancer (if she actually exists).
Kyle1111
01-15-2008, 11:33 AM
A guard was nice?! Holy Shit... hell froze over. I bet she's fucking him. That's gotta be it. I mean people with shitty jobs are NEVER nice. Ever. Seriously.
And another friend you wish you'd kept in touch with every year or so? Man... you are loyal. I WISH my friends would talk to me once a year or so.
/:O
Yep, very suspicious. The real tip off was when the guard said I was hot. Try and explain that. I double dare you! ;) Seriously, the number of times over a period of decades that a woman has said that I was hot and meant it, might have been 6 times. It just doesn't happen too often. Very nice when it does, but around 6 times isn't exactly a world record.
I didn't want to bother her too much. Besides, she said I was a bum. And, what about all this women's lib? She has a phone and I'm sure she knows how to use it.
AudreyLeigh
01-15-2008, 11:38 AM
OK, After this last post hes so full of sh*t... haha... there IS no dancer in jail. Someone must be bored!
PhillyDancer1982
01-15-2008, 01:28 PM
Whether this story is "true" or untrue, I gotta say one thing...the girl sitting in jail right now reminds me of the type of person that I try SO HARD not to be like. ::)
I know this sounds bitchy and slightly offsubject, but wow this girl sucks. She sounds like a total doormat that lets people walk all over her. If she's really innocent in this whole sphiel, it sounds like she was set up by others(or framed), because others sensed that she was either really naive or at least too nice to say "no." Back on the day, I was used for stuff similar to this...such as the time that my underage friend(I was 21 at the time) ran away from home for 2 days, totally neglected me from our friends' New Years festivities and didn't even bother to hang out with me, yet she used me to call up her parents and assure them that she was safe and hanging out with me...which resulted in her parents calling the cops on me for a "kidnapping" that I didn't even commit. It makes me angry with rage to recall all the times I was too much of a doormat, and it also makes me angry to hear about other people acting like fuckin doormats.
So this girl has "friends" who either "use" her or neglect her. Kyle1111, you even admitted that you're not a very good friend. She sounds waaaay too trusting of people and things in general. The fact that she "loves" and trusts the government makes her look even stupider...how the fuck can she "love" something that has imprisoned her away from her life and her kid? She sounds as stupid as Britney Spears on the movie Fahrenheit 911, when they interviewed her and she said that we should trust our President to be a good person with our best interests at hand(did I mention that the ENTIRE movie theater BOOED when she said that???!!).
Wow even this girl's family sucks...she's such a doormat, that she can't even stand up to her own parents about who's going to raise the kid she pushed out of her own uterus. I thought I had it "bad" when I was pregnant and a bunch of so-called "friends" started saying that I should get an abortion because they couldn't see me being a parent...but here's a girl's own parents that STILL don't want her to be a parent after the kid is already born. Wow. And I thought my life was bad?
Kyle1111, If I were the girl, I would stop talking to you OR any of these "user" friends after I'd get out of jail. I'd probably start fresh by moving to a new town, where my parents wouldn't be able to take the kid(if she is even able to keep the kid after all of this) and where people wouldn't recognize me to be a doormat(people tend to treat you as "once a doormat, always a doormat").
Katrine
01-15-2008, 01:49 PM
Kyle, I think you should look into some adult writing courses. You are bar far one of the least articulate posters that this side has had the displeasure of hosting.
Also, think about the statement, "I love the government." "I hate the government."
Infantile, don't you think. The government isn't an entity to love or hate. Your childlike beliefs lead me to believe you have a mental disorder. That's ok though, so do I. You're not alone.