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Kyle1111
01-15-2008, 03:30 PM
Hi PhillyDancer1982,

On a positive note before she got arrested she was telling me how much she loved her life. So perhaps she isn't so dumb. :)

I don't agree with the choices she makes, but hell they're her choices to make. I attempt to stay on the sidelines as much as possible. I'm supposed to be the help of last resort. Like I told her, if you find yourself needing my help then it is just sad. All the people she has helped with time and money and love and when she is in trouble, I'm her best option?

AudreyLeigh
01-15-2008, 03:32 PM
I love how when he answers someone he write a headline to them as if no one else is special enough to get the attention from their posts.

Uhm - YOU STILL HAVENT ANSWERED THE QUESTION I POSTED A DOZEN TIMES NOW

Kyle1111
01-15-2008, 03:57 PM
Kyle, I think you should look into some adult writing courses. You are bar far one of the least articulate posters that this side has had the displeasure of hosting.

Also, think about the statement, "I love the government." "I hate the government."

Infantile, don't you think. The government isn't an entity to love or hate. Your childlike beliefs lead me to believe you have a mental disorder. That's ok though, so do I. You're not alone.

I don't think it is infantile at all. More like descriptive. There are people who will hate the government no matter its structure or deeds and there are even more people who will love the government unconditionally.

It is difficult to take inarticulate or articulate very seriously on this forum. It takes major effort to distinguish between willing to *risk* $1,000 and *giving away* $1,000? I wonder how many of the readers here can see a difference between "agreeing to pay a lien" and "agreeing to be responsible for a lien"? Additionally, the ad hominem responses leave little incentive to watch the missing words or the grammar or the word choice. More often than not that isn't the problem. It is the message that will generate the ad hominems. For example, there seems to be a huge number of people who think dancers are the same as prostitutes. Attempting to change the minds of these people is almost always pointless and will definitely generate insults. These are same kind of people that know ALL prostitutes NEVER enjoy sex with their customers. Again, disagree and insults will undoubtly flow. :)

Kyle1111
01-15-2008, 04:08 PM
Hi AudreyLeigh,

Sorry *if* you feel neglected. It really shouldn't be so negative. I don't think there is any requirement that I address all questions no matter how interesting or valid.

It is my understanding that this isn't a true discussion forum. Thus, I had unsuccessfully attempted to keep it focused on whether there were dancers here in South Florida who had positive experience with bailbondspersons. I had wanted to be prepare depending on how the arraignment went on the 22nd. As it turned out, I just decided to give the cash to her brother and let him deal with not getting cheated. If she needs bond after that date and he screws up, then she will most likely be rotting in jail for many months awaiting her "speedy" trial.

AudreyLeigh
01-15-2008, 04:11 PM
Im not feeling neglected - on the contrary - I could care less. I just found it funny that you answered numerous posts but not the dozen of mine that all asked the same question. Which, by the way, still has not been answered. :laughing:

velvet
01-15-2008, 04:58 PM
first of all its NOT THE GOVERMENT it's the state. unless of course this is a federal charge if so she's in serious trouble.
as for the bondsmen you dont trust. they are not "an extension of the government" it is a highly regulated business. if you arent going to help and it looks like you arent just drop it.

cameron_keys
01-15-2008, 06:15 PM
I like how he continually refers to it as "rotting in jail"...but yet leaves her there. You LOVE her.

Seriously...5 pages and we still dont know the charges against her? WTF? You may not think that makes a differance but it does.

And there are very few innocent dancers here in South FL. Sorry to burst your bubble..but if shes been dancing here for more then 5 minutes...she isnt as innocent or naive as you seem to think. If nothing else..shes SEEN enough to teach her differant.

But whatever...you seem to think that leaving your fictional friend to "rot" will teach her some kind of lesson. So there you go. Rot she will

StarryEyes
01-15-2008, 07:55 PM
*Shocked to see that this thread is still open.*

PhillyDancer1982
01-16-2008, 09:33 AM
Hi PhillyDancer1982,

On a positive note before she got arrested she was telling me how much she loved her life. So perhaps she isn't so dumb. :)

Or perhaps she really IS that dumb? Perhaps she thinks she has a "good" life because she doesn't see things for what they are? For example: people that act like her friends but in reality are two-faced users; a brother that claims to love her but can't even deposit $20 in her jail account; etc. It sounds like she was abused or deprived of some things when she was younger, which usually results in the person being content settling for less.

I know of some people that have lousy lives but are so bliss and naive, that they don't even realize how bad they have it -- for example Mrdj(his IM screenname), the mildly slow guy who's a 28-yr-old virgin, still lives at home, lies about being a club DJ, but in reality is nothing more than a grocery bagboy. There's plenty of times that he'll claim that he has a "good job" and that $6.50/hr isn't so bad, but that's because he's either that slow or it's because he's putting on a fake front to save his dignity.

And I agree with all the others -- what did she get charged with? I'm getting really curious now. I think I have a few ideas as to what it could be(assuming that it's NOT prostitution or drug related, as you claimed before).

stellaforstars
01-16-2008, 03:10 PM
*Shocked to see that this thread is still open.*

Especially since it has nothing to do with stripping...whatsoever...if you don't count the fact that his "friend" happens to dance for a living.

AudreyLeigh
01-16-2008, 03:19 PM
Well, that and she was supposedly arrested at the club she dances at.

Kyle1111
01-16-2008, 06:46 PM
Michelle could be released as early as tomorrow. I received a very nice call from her public defender asking for additional information and thanking me for my letters. Her brother called me later and he was very excited. I told him it wasn't a done deal and he said he understood.

I don't want to get my hopes up, but it sounds very promising.

On the negative side, something is wrong with Michelle. With luck she is just angry with me and or her friends and it isn't anything more serious than that.

BalletBaby
01-16-2008, 06:57 PM
On the negative side, something is wrong with Michelle. With luck she is just angry with me and or her friends and it isn't anything more serious than that.

:rotfl:Maybe it's because she's in jail. Duuurrrrrrrrrr:dunce::dunce::dunce:

AudreyLeigh
01-16-2008, 07:00 PM
:rotfl:Maybe it's because she's in jail. Duuurrrrrrrrrr:dunce::dunce::dunce:

thats got to be the funniest shit ive seen on SW in a long time.....bwahahahaha

paintgoddess
01-16-2008, 11:07 PM
I officially crown you... White Knight of the Month!!!

:king: *ding!*

(Trumpets sound.)

(Said knight rides off on llama. We all know what kind of llama.)

PhillyDancer1982
01-17-2008, 08:31 AM
On the negative side, something is wrong with Michelle. With luck she is just angry with me and or her friends and it isn't anything more serious than that.

No shit...really??! She's angry at you and her friends? ::) I don't think there's something "wrong" with that. If anything, I'd think there'd be something "wrong" if she actually wanted to maintain a friendship with all of these "helpful individuals" who let her sit in jail.

As I'd started to touch on before, I went through something similar a few years ago, when I was guilt-tripping my friend into letting me crash at his place because I didn't have a job that paid me enough to get my own apartment(I had a job, but the pay really sucked)...this was right before I said "enough's enough already!" and started dancing. During that time, many of the so-called "friends" who'd crashed at my place many times before wouldn't help me. They'd make excuses or they'd bitch and scold me for "bitching" too much about my bad situation(Godforbid if I bitch during a time of personal crisis! *gasp!*), as hypocritical as that is. Part of the reason why my parents kicked me to the curb is because they caught on that I was letting some of these friends stay with me during times that they ditched home or got kicked out of their house...but the irony is, these same friends who'd essentially gotten me kicked out didn't do shit for me. Can you say I was mad?...Absolutely. In the year or two that followed, I became more of a bitch and told off these friends, ending the friendship that I'd never really had with them. Ditto for the pregnancy situation, in which people didn't do much at all to support my decision to have the kid(e.g., when I asked for advice on how to cope with pregnancy-induced abdominal pains, a girl said "An abortion" instead of saying something actually useful), yet less than a year later they were supportive of girls that were my age(or slightly younger) and less mature than I. They coulda given me REAL advice but instead they chose to take the low road. I got angry at most of them too and I haven't talked to 70% of those people since.

It sounds like Michelle's friends are very similar. I'm GLAD to hear that she's angry(assuming this whole scenario is "real"). I hope she moves on and ditches all of you. It'd probably be best if she ditched her parents too for a while, since they seem unhelpful in trying to take her kid away. Perhaps she should start a new life and concentrate solely on paying her bills, clearing up any legal fees, caring for her kid, and avoiding trouble/lures.

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 09:25 AM
Well, it is officially over. Michelle will be released today. THANK YOU public defender for going the extra mile.

Actually, I think it is good she is angry as long as it isn't just at me.

Anyway, thank you's to everyone who tried to be helpful.

PhillyDancer1982
01-17-2008, 11:54 AM
Actually, I think it is good she is angry as long as it isn't just at me.

You know what Kyle? You sound SO MUCH like some of the asshole "friends" who ditched me for no reason and/or didn't help me out when I was in need. All of those asshole "friends" that I speak of -- and you -- are all males. You and the other assholes are not a true friend. Perhaps it's a male thing to be this way. >:(

You admitted that you're not the best of friend to Michelle, and you even admitted that perhaps it's "good" that she is angry at you. The only way that it can be "good" to have someone mad at you, is if you realize that you were a dickhead/negligent friend. So you KNEW that what you were doing(or lack thereof) was unloyal and unhelpful, but you did it anyway. It doesn't seem like you really care that much what Michelle thinks of you or even if she wants to stay friends with you. Wow what a dick!

I had a few "friends" like this...and ALL of them were male, uncoincidentally. They would either cold-turkey stop talking to me or else they would suddenly start saying "stop calling me!!!!" as though I was brutally harassing them, simply because I called to say a casual "hi" as usual. Or else they would get along great with me for a long time and then as soon as I'd have a problem where I could use the support, they would ditch me and want nothing to do with me...even if my "problem" was something completely beyond my control, such as my old car's engine breaking down or someone falsely accusing me of a theft(and yes, this "asshole friend" of mine KNEW the accusation to be 100% false...but he was tired of people bashing him for having stood up for me). I think the absolute worst thing I did when these guy "friends" started being cold, was to rack my brain thinking of what I coulda possibly did "wrong" to them, and trying to amend things or else spend time arguing with them about why they wouldn't want to be my friend anymore...doing that probably showed that I was a doormat that NEEDED their friendship, presumably because I had no other friends...which probably made them hate me even more. >:( People like that are just plain dicks. I don't put up with shit like that anymore. So I'm GLAD that this girl is mad at you, as opposed to begging for your friendship and wondering if maybe she "did something unintentionally wrong" to explain how you coulda been so cruel to leave her in jail.

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 12:48 PM
Hi PhillyDancer1982,

The only way that it can be "good" to have someone mad at you, is if you realize that you were a dickhead/negligent friend.

I disagree: It is "good" she is mad at me only if she is also mad at her "real" friends as well. That means that hopefully in the future she won't be so giving. She will give the shirt off her back to those in need and the problem with that is that it puts her and her child at risk. I strongly believe that because she is nice she thinks everyone is like her until proven otherwise. It is amazing she wasn't pimped out and I can give her "real" friends some credit for that not happening. Any guy who is too nice to her they start yelling PIMP!!! PIMP!!! PIMP!!! Of course, they even did that with me and I'm fairly certain they knew that wasn't the case.

I wish she could get a good female mentor who could really show her important things like how to manage her money, avoid asshole boyfriends/girlfriends, think more realistically, etc. Her favorite author is Eric Jerome Dickey and it sounded like his books were uplifting.

Alia_of_the_Knife
01-17-2008, 12:55 PM
Hi PhillyDancer1982,

The only way that it can be "good" to have someone mad at you, is if you realize that you were a dickhead/negligent friend.

I disagree: It is "good" she is mad at me only if she is also mad at her "real" friends as well. That means that hopefully in the future she won't be so giving. She will give the shirt off her back to those in need and the problem with that is that it puts her and her child at risk. I strongly believe that because she is nice she thinks everyone is like her until proven otherwise. It is amazing she wasn't pimped out and I can give her "real" friends some credit for that not happening. Any guy who is too nice to her they start yelling PIMP!!! PIMP!!! PIMP!!! Of course, they even did that with me and I'm fairly certain they knew that wasn't the case.

I wish she could get a good female mentor who could really show her important things like how to manage her money, avoid asshole boyfriends/girlfriends, think more realistically, etc. Her favorite author is Eric Jerome Dickey and it sounded like his books were uplifting.

WTF?!?!?!?!:-\ :banghead::eek::confused:

paintgoddess
01-17-2008, 01:24 PM
sounds like this girl is not your friend. she is your hobby. :O

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 01:31 PM
sounds like this girl is not your friend. she is your hobby. :O

Then I definitely screwed up big time because I HATE hobbies. I want her to be a friend like my other friends. My other friends wouldn't bail me out and wouldn't expect me to bail them out. Also, she has told me more than once that I can be a friend or a customer, but not both. Thus, *she* should see me only as a customer.

Her set of expectations is completely different and as a result I do help her more than I would any of my other friends, but it is limited help which I think has probably gotten her pissed.

paintgoddess
01-17-2008, 01:47 PM
Also, she has told me more than once that I can be a friend or a customer, but not both. Thus, *she* should see me only as a customer.

Trust me. She probably does see you as a customer, and you perceive it as friend. The hustle isn't relegated to lap dances, tips, and VIP. She understands far more about this business then you do. When the hustle extends beyond club walls, it becomes a full-on mind-fuck. Sounds like you've been fucked. Just my opinion from what i've read.

shasta
01-17-2008, 01:55 PM
So what was she arrested for?

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 01:56 PM
Hi paintgoddess,

Well, this is a $5 club so she is very easy to please and I've gotten one hell a good deal. Not only is it a $5 club, she was kind enough to both undercount and give free dances.

I'm liking her even more now. :)


So she won't stay pissed too long? I want to buy more dances ASAP!!! Yes, I'm weak. I need those dances real bad and she is special because I've known her so long.

Zabrina
01-17-2008, 02:02 PM
^Are you kidding me? You're that much of a cheap turd, you don't even pay for all your five dollar dances? And you think you are a friend for this? Boy you are taking advantage. I feel sorry for this girl.

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 02:07 PM
So what was she arrested for?

That is truly a no no as far as I can tell at this point. But, she is out and that makes a world of difference. I'm not even sure if the arrest was about her. It could be some good old fashioned "shaking of the tree."

I just feel like I'm totally out of the picture now and it is time for her to take charge of the rest of her life. Now that she is out, I almost feel like denying that I ever knew or even heard of her. And, she may be gone. Sometimes it is good to bury the living as well as the dead.

But, heck me and my $5 dance purchases are so inviting that I don't think she'll be able to stay away. }:D

AudreyLeigh
01-17-2008, 02:09 PM
You, dear, are a friggen nutcase. Good riddance - I hope she never talks to you again.

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 02:10 PM
^Are you kidding me? You're that much of a cheap turd, you don't even pay for all your five dollar dances? And you think you are a friend for this? Boy you are taking advantage. I feel sorry for this girl.

See, she has to stop people from taking advantage of her good nature. Yes, I'm super cheap and love bargains. I can't help it. I still cut coupons and look for sales and etc.

shasta
01-17-2008, 02:11 PM
omg, this is so crazy. I don't even know what to say.

AudreyLeigh
01-17-2008, 02:12 PM
I really think this is a bunch of BS. I put him on ignore but the thread is so amusing I had to take him off....

Zabrina
01-17-2008, 02:14 PM
I really think this is a bunch of BS. I put him on ignore but the thread is so amusing I had to take him off....

Ditto. Now he's just saying stupid inflammatory stuff because he wants to be flamed.

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 02:15 PM
You, dear, are a friggen nutcase. Good riddance - I hope she never talks to you again.

That may come true. I try and help and get kicked in the teeth for it. I hope she never talks to her "real" friends who didn't help her even a little.

Kyle1111
01-17-2008, 02:16 PM
I really think this is a bunch of BS. I put him on ignore but the thread is so amusing I had to take him off....

LOL! Now, that is amusing.


Unfortunately, it is all true. :(

AudreyLeigh
01-17-2008, 02:16 PM
Helped?! Youre dilusional. And yes Zabrina, you are right - he likes the flaming, name calling, etc. Maybe he would make a great sub for me?! Whip his ass into shape! ;D

Zabrina
01-17-2008, 02:20 PM
^Except he won't pay you but a couple fivers for your services!

AudreyLeigh
01-17-2008, 02:23 PM
:rotfl: Maybe if I set it up as a shoot for CaptiveMale and then we both get paid! Bet his cheap ass would love that. Get paid to be degraded. Maybe Ill throw in a couple coupons for McD.

paintgoddess
01-17-2008, 03:21 PM
:loco:

BalletBaby
01-17-2008, 04:27 PM
(Said knight rides off on llama. We all know what kind of llama.)

No, please tell me, what kind of llama?:D

AudreyLeigh
01-17-2008, 04:32 PM
http://www.280z28.org/images/dramallama.jpg

BalletBaby
01-17-2008, 04:33 PM
^^^;D;D;D

AudreyLeigh
01-17-2008, 04:34 PM
This ones better... hehehe

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t42/bfranklin82/DramaLlama.jpg

BalletBaby
01-17-2008, 04:36 PM
These two pictures pretty much sum up how I feel:

http://mydogshavefleas.com/fleasblog/wp-content/gallery/misc-pics/bunny.jpg (http://mydogshavefleas.com/fleasblog/wp-content/gallery/misc-pics/bunny.jpg)

http://mydogshavefleas.com/fleasblog/wp-content/gallery/misc-pics/cookiebunny.jpg (http://mydogshavefleas.com/fleasblog/wp-content/gallery/misc-pics/cookiebunny.jpg)

AudreyLeigh
01-17-2008, 04:37 PM
Fo' Sho'! ^^^

BrunetteGoddess
01-17-2008, 04:53 PM
Kyle, you are a horrible 'friend'. Leave this girl alone; and while you're at it, leave this effin' SITE alone as well.

kthnxbai

PhillyDancer1982
01-17-2008, 05:15 PM
That is truly a no no as far as I can tell at this point. But, she is out and that makes a world of difference. I'm not even sure if the arrest was about her. It could be some good old fashioned "shaking of the tree."

I just feel like I'm totally out of the picture now and it is time for her to take charge of the rest of her life. Now that she is out, I almost feel like denying that I ever knew or even heard of her. And, she may be gone. Sometimes it is good to bury the living as well as the dead.

But, heck me and my $5 dance purchases are so inviting that I don't think she'll be able to stay away. }:D

I agree with the girls who say you are a nutcase and a cheap bastard. WTF you can't even pay full price for a freakin $5 dance???!! What kind of "customer" are you?...Most girls only consider a guy "their customer" if he is financially good to her. The only strip club patrons that I would ever talk to that don't spend a lot of money on me would be people I'd consider acquaintences(sorta like a friendship, but not as tight).

The fact that you say that your $5 dances are "so inviting," shows how little(if any) respect you have for Michelle, and that you view her to be desperate and otherwise incapable of making money. You're not a "friend."

We've already established here on SW that you're not a real "friend" to her...and now I'm convinced that you're not a real "customer" to her either. Wow no wonder she should be mad at you or avoid you! I would too. And you don't seem surprised at her not wanting to deal with you. It almost seems like you're HOPING that she doesn't want to deal with you, unless it's to get some cheap $5(or is it $3 with the discount?) T&A.

As much as you are proving yourself to be a jerk...I think this Michelle girl is really stupid and yes, she is too nice and generous to people that aren't as nice back to her. You are one example. She is nice to the point of stupid. The only thing I've agreed with you on so far is that she SHOULD be mad at you and her friends alike for not helping her, and that she needs to focus on her and her kid, and not be so damn naive to everyone around her.

PhillyDancer1982
01-17-2008, 05:17 PM
I really think this is a bunch of BS. I put him on ignore but the thread is so amusing I had to take him off....

LOL I agree with you!!! :rotfl: This thread is almost as amusing as the 12-page Nerdy thread, which (coincidentally enough) started just about this time 1 year ago.

PhillyDancer1982
01-17-2008, 05:19 PM
By the way, you guys totally crack me up with the animal pictures and all!!


Gee I wonder how many points Kyle's gotten from the moderators so far?

velvet
01-17-2008, 05:34 PM
ok folks this is now closed. i have to admit i didnt close it before because i wanted to see what happened lol.