View Full Version : Does bigger boobs get more money?
terra
01-20-2008, 08:32 AM
Britt, I was aiming to answer the question "Does bigger boobs get more money?". My point was that although it might increase your income, you might end up losing money in the end.
If you want to get BA for yourself, regardless of increase or decrease in income, then sure, go for it, but that's another matter. That's what I meant by "That may be okay if you like them OTC" (i.e., getting them done because you want them whether or not it will actually boost your income).
My answer was directed at the OP:
"I'm thinking about becoming a stripper for a while, (I'm about $15,000 in debt) just to get my finances under control."
"I've heard that the bigger your boobs are, the more money you make... Can anyone please tell me how much truth there is to this?"
She sounds like someone who is considering getting implants for the income increase rather than for herself. It seems that she doesn't plan to be in the industry for years and years and wants to get finances under control rather than getting more into debit due to surgery fees. She also said that she's "terrified of going under the knife". I simply pointed out that she may end up being better off financially after she finishes working as a stripper if she doesn't make the investment, even if getting a BA leads to higher income during the time she's dancing.
PhillyDancer1982
01-20-2008, 09:46 AM
I don't go to strip clubs as a regular past time.. it's something I like to do with girlfriends but when I am there, if I am getting dances it's always from someone with small boobs.
It's just what I prefer. I think they are sexier. They usually have nicer nipples and as you get older they aren't as prone to sagging and stretch marks. Everyone is different.
I can only agree with this to a point. For the most part small boobs are perkier and don't sag as much when the girl gets older, BUT I've seen more than a few young girls(early 20s) that had small AND saggy boobs, NEVER HAD KIDS. It does happen. It IS possible for small boobs to be naturally saggy, especially tubular or hypoplasmic tubular boobs, which are saggy and spaced far apart and tend to be on the small side. And I'm not gonna mention the many dancers I've seen post-pregnancy that had stretch marks and saggy A or AA cups.
As far as the nipples go, again it all depends on each girl. Pre-boob job, I had NO NIPPLES AT ALL(they were flat and indistinguishable from the areolas) to the point that my nipple rings had nothing to pierce through and started growing out(ew!). My areolas were too small. So here I was, small AND lacking nice nipples. Luckily, surgery corrected that...my areolas stretched along with the rest of the boobs(but don't worry, they're not too big) and my nipples finally started poking outward a little. Admittedly my boobs weren't horrible looking pre-surgery, but they definitely had their flaws and they're corrected now.
Sarge, I think what you are really trying to say is that you like perky, nicely shaped small boobs with equally nice nipples. :)
AznExtasy
01-20-2008, 09:57 AM
I think that nicer boobs= more money. And bigger does not always equal nicer. Some really big fake boobs don't look good at all, and guys will prefer the small, naturally perky ones. So I think that if you're gonna get work done, make sure your doc does a good job and makes it look natural. That is important. When I got my BA, I didn't go overboard or anything and ended up with a 34 large C small D. I definitely think I make more money than if I hadn't gotten them.
britt244
01-20-2008, 11:14 AM
i think it's a horrible idea to get boobs JUST for stripping. you dont know if this is something you'll stick with. you're terrified of the idea of surgery. this is your BODY you're talking about.
PhillyDancer1982
01-20-2008, 12:07 PM
I think that nicer boobs= more money. And bigger does not always equal nicer. Some really big fake boobs don't look good at all, and guys will prefer the small, naturally perky ones. So I think that if you're gonna get work done, make sure your doc does a good job and makes it look natural. That is important. When I got my BA, I didn't go overboard or anything and ended up with a 34 large C small D. I definitely think I make more money than if I hadn't gotten them.
Yes I agree. And while bigger does not always equal nicer, likewise smaller does not always equal nicer either...as I stated in my last post, about girls who were only 20 or so, no kids or prior pregnancies, but already had saggy A/small B cups.
Similarly to AznExtasy, I only went up to a full C/small D, which still looks proportionate and "natural." It's a size that makes me look "busty" without looking too overboard like a stereotypical porn star. Since I'm a tall 5'7" and 130 lbs or so, my "enhanced" size of 34C/D actually looks more realistic than my prior disproportionately small size of 34A did. (Guys tell me all the time "I don't believe you were as small as an A cup before...you don't have the frame for an A cup!" Horrible, isn't it? lol) But I understand that for girls who are a lot smaller than me, 34A might be more proportionate or "real".
I also agree with Britt that you shouldn't get surgery if it's only for the job. Yeah getting boobs will help you make at least a little bit more than you'd make without boobs, but you can still get hired and make decent money...enough to pay off your debt over a few months. But I think you know this already. Anyway, good luck with auditioning and working towards your money goals. If you do decide to get your boobs done in the future(it doesn't sound like you want to, but in case that changes), then good luck and I hope everything goes great for you. :) SW has a lot of info and resources on the subject in case that happens.
AznExtasy
01-20-2008, 12:18 PM
That's true also; don't get boobs just for dancing if you are unsure about dancing in the first place. I forgot to add, I worked with a beautiful girl who had saggy breasts from having kids. She had a BA and became a 34DD afterwards. It really filled out because they were saggy in the first place, so they looked REALLY good after she got them done. They were big, but didn't look fake because they weren't popping out at the top. I was kinda jealous because it took forever for my titties to drop and she came back to work the same month and they looked perfectly natural.
I'm 5'9 and a 34 small D is not too big on me but I think it's proportionate because Asian girls usually don't have big boobs in the first place. Many customers tell me they look real and my doctor did a great job, but I am still my own worst critic..
PhillyDancer1982
01-20-2008, 01:07 PM
They were big, but didn't look fake because they weren't popping out at the top. I was kinda jealous because it took forever for my titties to drop and she came back to work the same month and they looked perfectly natural.
Yeah I've noticed that implants drop a lot quicker for girls who had excess sagging from weight loss or kids. And like AznExtasy, I was one of those girls whose implants took "forever" to drop...probably because I have a very body upper body area(e.g., my collar bone sticks out), and because I was almost flat when I got my implants. It took over a year before my boobs dropped into place! But even before they dropped completely, I still thought they looked WORLDS better than what I had pre-opt. As I already explained, I had no nipples pre-opt and my boobs were disproportionately small in relation to the rest of my figure. But keep in mind that the #1 reason I got the BA was for myself.
flickad
02-15-2008, 09:21 AM
Some of the best money-makers I've known have had modest chests. Conversely, when I stripped I made shit money, and I'm very well-endowed in the chest arena (though, of course, I hate having big breasts). The biggest part of stripping is mental. It involves becoming the customer's fantasy- acting, in other words. You don't have to be the ideal woman in appearance terms, but if you're a bad actress you might as well hang up your stilettos right now.
I'm a terrible actress.
Arizona_Angel
02-15-2008, 03:07 PM
I made great money with my natural breasts. I was around a 34B before. I went to a 34D when I got my BA in June 2005. My implants upped my self-confidence, and that upped my money ~ but other than that there isn't much of a difference. :)
Sophia_Starina
02-15-2008, 04:32 PM
I wouldn't get boobs just for stripping....
Stripping has afforded me the ability to buy boobs... boobs that I have wanted for a looooong time.
Soon, soon, they shall be mine!
Bridgette
02-15-2008, 09:36 PM
Yes it's POSSIBLE to make just as much with small tits, but lemme tell ya from first hand experience, that having big tits gives you more of that WOW factor which makes it easier to sell in the stripclub. When it's easier to sell, you have more earning potential. Plain and simple.
buffie06
02-16-2008, 03:07 AM
I always wanted a boob job but when i became a stripper it was what gave me the final push. I make more money with big fake boobs, but everyone is different and when I visit the sc I prefer dances from girls with small a-b cups. My absolute favorite ever was like not even a size, what do you call that?
Melonie
02-16-2008, 04:13 AM
Yes it's POSSIBLE to make just as much with small tits, but lemme tell ya from first hand experience, that having big tits gives you more of that WOW factor which makes it easier to sell in the stripclub. When it's easier to sell, you have more earning potential.
Total agreement on this point. I would also add that when economic conditions get tougher, such that strip club customers think longer and harder before spending their money, the WOW factor becomes even more important.
shasta
02-16-2008, 05:25 AM
Yes it's POSSIBLE to make just as much with small tits, but lemme tell ya from first hand experience, that having big tits gives you more of that WOW factor which makes it easier to sell in the stripclub. When it's easier to sell, you have more earning potential. Plain and simple.
Boobs don't have to be your "wow" factor, as there are many.
Melonie
02-16-2008, 08:09 AM
^^^ undeniably true, but ...
Boobs are the only WOW factor that can be 'bought'. Other WOW factors are usually the result of genetics, so that girls that didn't inherit another WOW factor will be forever trailing the lucky girls that did !
The possible exception to this rule of course is hair ... but that's usually not an exclusive 'selling point'.
veronicavale
02-16-2008, 04:09 PM
Bigger boobs can help your money if they increase your confidence. But I've seen girls with no boobs bank just the same. Of course, some nights I have the biggest boobs in the club (I'm the only one with fake ones), and I think that does help my sales.
Bridgette
02-16-2008, 05:00 PM
Boobs don't have to be your "wow" factor, as there are many.
Huge boobs is the only one (aside from bleach blond hair but that's a dime a dozen in the SC) that will draw the WOW from every point in the room, no matter where you are. Everything else requires the (male) customer to pay a bit more attention to notice, because men simply are not that observant. This is what I mean by WOW factor - the thing that grabs attention all over the room, not just when you approach.
I can walk around the club and every single dude will check me out, regardless of the oodles of great ass, legs, hair, eyes, whatever that's around. It's an attention-getter and that makes the sale SO much eaiser.
PhillyDancer1982
02-16-2008, 05:09 PM
Huge boobs is the only one (aside from bleach blond hair but that's a dime a dozen in the SC) that will draw the WOW from every point in the room, no matter where you are. Everything else requires the (male) customer to pay a bit more attention to notice, because men simply are not that observant. This is what I mean by WOW factor - the thing that grabs attention all over the room, not just when you approach.
I can walk around the club and every single dude will check me out, regardless of the oodles of great ass, legs, hair, eyes, whatever that's around. It's an attention-getter and that makes the sale SO much eaiser.
Bridgette, I agree wholeheartedly with your logic about the WOW factor. I also agree with Melonie that in times of economic recession where guys are more limited with what they can spend in a club, the WOW factor becomes even more crucial.
However, could things like butt implants also increase the WOW factor, particularly in clubs where the clientele are more "ass guys" than boob guys?
As far as implants go...I think the difference in income from pre-BA to post-BA also depends on how drastic of a change the surgery made for the girl's boobs. For example, going from a B cup pre-BA to a C cup pre-BA might not have as drastic effect as someone that is flat-chested with a large frame getting a BA that brings her up to a full, more proportionate D cup. Think so?
Bridgette
02-16-2008, 06:11 PM
I worked off and on for 4 years in a club with tons of ass guys, and those guys still paid attention to the tits. Of course in my case they're slightly over the top ;D
I've even had guys tell me they don't much give a shit about tits or they don't usually go for girls with big tits, but they go for me. And in a club full of hot asses and ass-loving customers, a big set of tits to go with that hot ass can be the thing that sets you apart. A huge amount of cleavage in your face is simply hard to resist ;D
And I definitely agree that when getting implants, bigger is better when it comes to increasing income potential. At least to a point. C cups are nothing in the stripclub these days. Even Ds aren't anything special. I've always thought if you're gonna spend the money, time, etc to get the boobs done, might as well go for the gusto and get 'em big because that's where the money's at. Considering you'll have to get them redone in a few years anyway, you can always go for a smaller set when you're done dancing.
MonicaF
02-17-2008, 05:36 AM
In certain clubs men want to see the giant boobs, but overall from my experience a girl with small breasts can make just as much money as a girl with big breasts - maybe even more. A lot of men equate small boobs/flat chest with "youthfullness" and trust me - a lot of men are more than willing to give a lot of money to what they percieve a s really young and innocent girl.
PhillyDancer1982
02-17-2008, 08:49 AM
I worked off and on for 4 years in a club with tons of ass guys, and those guys still paid attention to the tits. Of course in my case they're slightly over the top ;D
I've even had guys tell me they don't much give a shit about tits or they don't usually go for girls with big tits, but they go for me. And in a club full of hot asses and ass-loving customers, a big set of tits to go with that hot ass can be the thing that sets you apart. A huge amount of cleavage in your face is simply hard to resist ;D
LOL I've had that happen before and I love it! ;D I've had guys get a lot of lapdances from me, and tell me during these lapdances that they're generally not a "boobs" kinda guy, but for some reason they really like mine. Ditto for the guys who claim that they generally hate implants but find mine to be really good. Then again, my implants are the natural-looking kind and they're not sized too big for my frame.
dollyrocker
02-21-2008, 12:22 AM
I think it depends on where you're at and what the club is like. I'm a small b that looks like an a, and was a top earner in AZ at the neighborhood bar type clubs. But in Dallas, at these Vegas type clubs, I think having big implants is more of a selling point. It's my observation so far that us small boobied girls are making less than the implanted types..... a lot less. And the girls with large implants also seem to attract the customers who have more $ to spend AND expect less contact.
So guess whats #1 on my shopping list : ) ....
Fionaver
02-21-2008, 07:56 AM
Hmm...
I think that, no matter what, it's important to be able to live with the results. I'm a 34 A/B (depending on the time of the month) and I really don't want to have large breasts. I'm uncomfortable with strangers treating me as a sexual object outside of work. Because of my build, people frequently assume that I'm in my mid-to-late teens, when I'm really 24. I think that that's awesome. I want to be able to fly under the male radar outside of work.
When I worked in AZ, I noticed that I made much better money working nude than I did topless. The topless clubs had TONS of boob jobs, and the nude ones didn't. Or, at least, they had a bit more variety. I felt alot more pressure to have larger breasts and felt really inadequate. Working in the nude clubs increased my confidence, thereby increasing my money.
However, if I had kids and ended up with windsocks after breastfeeding, I would follow my friend Ginger's lead, go to the doctor, and say, "Fill 'er up!"
It's your body. Don't get things like this done for other people. Do it for you.
Just my two cents.
VegasPrincess
02-21-2008, 10:23 AM
In certain clubs men want to see the giant boobs, but overall from my experience a girl with small breasts can make just as much money as a girl with big breasts - maybe even more. A lot of men equate small boobs/flat chest with "youthfullness" and trust me - a lot of men are more than willing to give a lot of money to what they percieve a s really young and innocent girl.
}:D So totally true. This has been my M.O. for (eek!! ) almost 7 years (I'm 25 but look a lot younger) when I go back to dancing, I'd like to get mine done. I'm ready to do the sexy look and ditch the innocent one
CinammonGirl
02-22-2008, 09:22 PM
As a female customer, I will agree that personality does make a huge difference.
There was a stripper who I wasn't interested in at first...but when she started talking to me, she just became hotter. After her lap dance, I definitely would get another one from her and I will remember her...
Even if I find a dancer super hot, I've been intimidated to approach them due to their attitude...A great personality helps make me feel more comfortable. My experience is that strippers are less likely to approach female customers?
To answer your question, I've seen small-breasted strippers BANK it when I have been to strip clubs.
Ok I had to weigh in on this one as a customer who frequents clubs. My personal taste may not be a popular one with many on this board but I happen to MUCH perfer smaller boobs. Of course as one said already there are many more things to consider as far as looks go than size so perky small, shapely small etc. is best of course but personality goes very far and for me a very nice rounded ass is super. I have had so many dancer friends or favorites etc. that have gotten boob jobs and they know that I liked their previous ones better. I know that I may be in the minority,,,,, but just so you know that there are definetly some guys out there who will actually pass you by for a dance with the fake ones and would have prefered the smaller ones.
my 2 cents.....
atlmorgan
08-20-2008, 11:54 AM
Bigger boobs make more when boob guys are around,I danced at a "booty shake" club in atl. they couldn't have cared less they wanted the big booty girls.so it depends on your clientel.If you have nice boobs leave them alone-mine were saggy after kids and I always wanted huge boobs,I stuffed for years!I finally got my almost d.d.'s and they were great for stripping but finding clothes to fit for my office job was hard jacket 16 pants 10.Most of all now my back hurts all the time.I can tell when I don't wear my reg. bra and a sport bra.I hope to one day go down a size atleast.I would love to have small firm boobs now.Big boobs aren't all ya think.Do what makes you feel good and MAKE SURE TO GET A GREAT DOCTOR!!!NOT A CHEAP ONE!!I've seen more bad boob jobs yuck!!!(mine are nice,just heavy!!)
txchick008
08-20-2008, 03:01 PM
Getting your boobs done sounds like it will boost your confidence.
THAT alone, can equal more $$$$....I'd save for it and do it! Getting my boobs done increased my confidence x 100.
IvoryDancer
08-20-2008, 03:47 PM
There have been scientific studies done on sexual attraction and it was found that waist to hip ratio was what attracted men.
veronicachick
08-20-2008, 05:01 PM
I've seen different guys prefer different things. I get complimented on my boobs even tho I want some fake ones. I've seen girls with no ass and no boobs make good money... so behind those boobs there has to be some kind of personality.
britt244
08-20-2008, 05:11 PM
i do not make more money post-ba. but then, i was always a good hustler and hard worker. having bigger boobs doesnt help me with that.
charlie61
08-20-2008, 07:44 PM
I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm just here to drop my 2 cents, so sorry if I repeat anyone's comments.
I've found that the girls who really benefit from getting boob jobs are...
1) Those who have low self-esteem because they have small ones.
2) Those whose bodies would appear more propotional with a BA.
One girl at my club just got them, and I haven't noticed her earnings skyrocketing. She's pretty thin. Another girl balanced out her bum with a good BA, and she does well for it.
I think really small-framed girls look better with natural IBT's. Athletic girls fare pretty damn well with IBT's, too. You sound like you'd fit in the latter group.
Swarovskibunny
06-18-2015, 02:02 PM
There isn't an overwhelming majority of augmented girls in my club, but I will say that the ones who do have big ones (fake or not) make a killing. Before my BA, I've had guys come in and ask for "the girl with the biggest tits," and the girls who fit that description are tough to find because they are ALWAYS in the LD or champagne room!
Like others have said, it's all about the individual: how the implants look on your figure, the quality of your surgeon, and how much they improve your confidence. To make as much $$$ as you used to, will take a fraction of the effort.
As far as people worrying about having "hard boobs"- yeah, they're going to be like that during recovery. But once they are fully healed, they'll look and feel natural in the best way.
tempest666
06-18-2015, 03:05 PM
Depends. I've seen IBTC members give me a run for my money and I have been in slumps myself. If you were a hustler before you should be good after.
It's like a person who doesn't know how to shoot a gun all of a sudden getting an M16. Maybe they'll hit a target but if they were never trained before they aren't going to last.
Nyla19
06-18-2015, 06:44 PM
I've always been a hard core hustler so the BA allowed me to relax a bit. I still hustler like crazy because you have to nowadays but so many guys like big boobs, the guys come to me a lot more now than before the BA.
EastCoastDancer01
06-18-2015, 08:02 PM
I made money before AND after getting implants. But since getting my boobs, I've attracted better quality customers and it has been much easier for me to get dances. I feel like I dont have to work as hard.
charlie61
06-18-2015, 11:25 PM
Remember that any extreme feature will attract more attention your way. If you have an extremely bright or unusual outfit, an odd shade of hair, no or tons of tattoos, huge breasts or no breasts at all...those will all bring you more attention than if you're more 'normal' looking. You'll attract some haters, and you'll attract some spenders. OKCupid's metadata analysis mentioned something along these lines. Basically, it's better to be controversial looking than it is to be average, because the people who are into you will be very into you, and the people who aren't into you are irrelevant.
If you don't have any features that really set you apart from the other girls, you may have to find other ways to bring attention to yourself. That doesn't mean people will be less interested in you, and it doesn't necessarily mean you'll make less money. But you may get fewer people approaching you than you would if you had a noticeable-from-across-the-room appearance.
Melonie
07-03-2015, 01:31 PM
^^^ I would also point out that the 'stripping world' has changed a lot in the 7 years since this thread was originally posted. Just for speculation, consider the possibility that strip club customers wanting to 'look at' a pair of DDD's 7 years ago may have now been replaced with strip club customers caring less about 'looking' and more about being allowed 'full contact' to a pair of C cups today.
Swarovskibunny
07-03-2015, 11:04 PM
^I think that would depend on the club, the city, the clientele, etc. Like in the type of club where customers just want extras, they generally choose girls based on contact more than looks. On the flip side, I've noticed that in cleaner clubs, girls rely on looks as their main selling points more so than contact, especially when contact is not allowed. As far as my own preference, I'd rather make my money with minimal to no contact and relying on having huge boobs, than having mediocre boobs and letting guys make biscuits (or do God knows what else to them). Ugh not a day goes by that I don't wish that customers didn't expect so much contact. Gross.
tempest666
07-05-2015, 02:24 AM
Look at it this way.....would you rather gawk at the Ferrari knowing you could never own it or buy the Corrolla? It's becoming a Corrolla world.
Flickdreams
07-05-2015, 04:44 AM
Look at it this way.....would you rather gawk at the Ferrari knowing you could never own it or buy the Corrolla? It's becoming a Corrolla world.
Made me think of this... weird. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFg6amMLd-o)
Flickdreams
07-05-2015, 04:49 AM
I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm just here to drop my 2 cents, so sorry if I repeat anyone's comments.
I've found that the girls who really benefit from getting boob jobs are...
1) Those who have low self-esteem because they have small ones.
2) Those whose bodies would appear more propotional with a BA.
One girl at my club just got them, and I haven't noticed her earnings skyrocketing. She's pretty thin. Another girl balanced out her bum with a good BA, and she does well for it.
I think really small-framed girls look better with natural IBT's. Athletic girls fare pretty damn well with IBT's, too. You sound like you'd fit in the latter group.
ME^ But these days guys seem to be all about....http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5tr71VAqo1qcwic6.jpg
Flickdreams
07-05-2015, 04:49 AM
I haven't read the entire thread, but I'm just here to drop my 2 cents, so sorry if I repeat anyone's comments.
I've found that the girls who really benefit from getting boob jobs are...
1) Those who have low self-esteem because they have small ones.
2) Those whose bodies would appear more propotional with a BA.
One girl at my club just got them, and I haven't noticed her earnings skyrocketing. She's pretty thin. Another girl balanced out her bum with a good BA, and she does well for it.
I think really small-framed girls look better with natural IBT's. Athletic girls fare pretty damn well with IBT's, too. You sound like you'd fit in the latter group.
ME^ But these days guys seem to be all about....http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5tr71VAqo1qcwic6.jpg
charlie61
07-14-2015, 03:51 PM
This business is all about branding. It's about figuring out your brand, figuring out how you can make yourself marketable, and then selling that brand to customers who are interested in what you're selling.
There are a million ways to be successful in this industry, and purchasing a rack is only one of them.
(and no strategy is guaranteed to work without the right mix of personality, looks, sales skills, and work ethic!)
tempest666
07-14-2015, 03:56 PM
One lesson I did learn: there is a learning curve. Anywhere from 4 weeks to 3 months. And forget about making $ when you still have Frankentits.
lighthouse
07-17-2015, 08:10 PM
I made about 40k more per year after my boob job. It's difficult to say if that was the sole factor because experience and working at better clubs also effects your income.
whirlerz
07-18-2015, 08:00 AM
This business is all about branding. It's about figuring out your brand, figuring out how you can make yourself marketable, and then selling that brand to customers who are interested in what you're selling.
There are a million ways to be successful in this industry, and purchasing a rack is only one of them.
(and no strategy is guaranteed to work without the right mix of personality, looks, sales skills, and work ethic!)
Love this^!
Swarovskibunny
07-18-2015, 11:10 AM
So far it's too early to tell, but I've been able to do a lot better on slow nights (when customer quality >>>quantity) than I did before, even in the dead of summer. On weekends I've made the same as before (which was still really good) despite the slowness. That's probably because I can still sweep up a lot of customers on weekends, even though the ones coming in these days might not have enough $$ for more than 2 dances . Plus I've gotten a ton of compliments from the guys and the overall hustle is easier.
Swarovskibunny
07-18-2015, 11:21 AM
If I also might add, getting your boobs done will often make a dancer look more mature...for instance if a young dancer has A-cups, she might look like a 12-year old, and that could turn off a large chunk of older, well-moneyed customers. But with them done, she would look more like the textbook example of a grown, curved out woman, thereby expanding her client base.
Cashmere Star
07-18-2015, 11:38 AM
A hustler with big boobs will make more than a hustler with small boobs, but it's not necessary to make decent money. Don't think about it in a "I need big boobs to make money!!" because you'll still come out with more money than you had the day before.
I am considering a boob job not just so I get more money in the club, but so I don't look like a 12 year old and it will look better OTC.