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Tara_SW
01-30-2008, 04:28 PM
That has to be the funniest post I have read on the whole thread!
why :confused:
jester214
01-30-2008, 04:47 PM
"white pride" is a term commonly used by racists, Katrine is right...think about it, it makes no sense. White is a color, not an "ethnicity" (like I'm Italian, I have Italian pride, my family is from Italy. Nobody's family is from a skin color, lol), and is something that racists pride themselves on being. It's weird.
Black pride makes a lot more sense, because black people are of African descent, and have pride in their culture and heritage. They are not just proud of their skin color....
And all white people are of European descent... Why can't white people be proud of the fact that their ancestors colonized a large part of the world? White pride is racist but black pride is ok? It's ridiculous, the whole idea of race pride. Why can't you just be proud of your own accomplishments? And keep in mind, when you take on ethnic pride, you inherit all the bad things your race has done along with the good things.
People always talk about "equality" and how people aren't "different" then go talk about how they are proud of their differences...
kikidejavu
01-31-2008, 05:50 PM
And all white people are of European descent... Why can't white people be proud of the fact that their ancestors colonized a large part of the world? White pride is racist but black pride is ok? It's ridiculous, the whole idea of race pride. Why can't you just be proud of your own accomplishments? And keep in mind, when you take on ethnic pride, you inherit all the bad things your race has done along with the good things.
People always talk about "equality" and how people aren't "different" then go talk about how they are proud of their differences...
in 1960 black pride originated because back in that day blacks were taught that being black is a negative thing. both by whites and by other blacks. it used to be that if you are not blonde and blue eyed that you were not attractive, not worth much of anything. So black pride came along as a way to say i love my dark skin, my nappy hair,and i am worth something, i am beautiful just how i am. It was more of a self acceptance thing.
TheSexKitten
01-31-2008, 06:45 PM
Exactly. It's all about context. Black power/pride is more acceptable than white power/pride because historically and culturally speaking, whites have always (of course it's changing) had the upper hand [in the U.S.]. The concept of unifying against repression was helpful, actually I would dare to say necessary, in bringing race issues to the forefront.
Imagine if whites were captured way back in history by, say... hmm... Japan, and were used as slaves for many years. Finally the whites were freed, but for centuries they faced discrimination, violence, oppression, and derision. Well, goddammit white pride would be damn acceptable in that case but it's redundant and inadvertently (and many times overtly) racist in American society.
You would also have to examine exactly why a white person in the US would feel so compelled to profess their "white pride". When most people are white, and whites have always been on top, it's at the very least tacky and insensitive.
jester214
01-31-2008, 08:17 PM
in 1960 black pride originated because back in that day blacks were taught that being black is a negative thing. both by whites and by other blacks. it used to be that if you are not blonde and blue eyed that you were not attractive, not worth much of anything. So black pride came along as a way to say i love my dark skin, my nappy hair,and i am worth something, i am beautiful just how i am. It was more of a self acceptance thing.
While I think you made some statements that might have made a little more sense in 1940's Germany, I agree with you to a degree.
I think "black pride" of the 1960's was more of a statement than actual pride, it was more about banding together, and saying "we are equal". So there, yes, it works. But the 1960's were a long time ago, things change, and you can find a scenario to fit anything. I still think the notion of being proud of something that you are in no way responsible for is dumb.
kikidejavu
02-01-2008, 11:48 AM
it has nothng to do with "we are equal". It had nothing to do with white people accepting us, but about us accepting and loving ourselves.
And the fact is that little girls growing up today still do not see being black as beautiful, as it is not represented in the media they are exposed to daily. Even today, the ideal woman is a thin white girl, not the black girls with dark skin, big lips, and a big booty.
Black pride is still relevant to teach these girls that yes, you are beautiful, and yes although you dont see yourself on tv, you are of value
Its about not wanting to change yourself and not having low self esteem, being proud and comfortable in your skin without feeling the need to conform to what society tells you you should be
leilanicandy
02-01-2008, 10:21 PM
it has nothng to do with "we are equal". It had nothing to do with white people accepting us, but about us accepting and loving ourselves.
And the fact is that little girls growing up today still do not see being black as beautiful, as it is not represented in the media they are exposed to daily. Even today, the ideal woman is a thin white girl, not the black girls with dark skin, big lips, and a big booty.
Black pride is still relevant to teach these girls that yes, you are beautiful, and yes although you dont see yourself on tv, you are of value
Its about not wanting to change yourself and not having low self esteem, being proud and comfortable in your skin without feeling the need to conform to what society tells you you should be
I think it is more about being proud, of your African decent. You have to remember, not all blacks have brown skin, big butts, big lips, and curly hair. Being black in America, was not knowing where you had came from! Africans was brought over here by force. They where constanly torn agaisnt thier familys. Or anyone they decided to unite with! So whites kept them from creating a new culture. They kept them from practicing african traditions, from thier native land. Or speaking thier native lanuages. Whites had erase any forms of thier past. They always kept the blacks from forming any type of group. Or any type of idenity other than I am a slave. They did not want to educated them! They wanted to keep them dumb so they can control them! Any person of african decent was consider black. If an black woman had sex with her master. Even if the child came out as white as snow. It was consider black.
My cousin has the whitest skin, and blue eyes. She is black. She dose not have any black features. So black prides is to unite all colors. It was to help form a new cultures. Out of the one that was lost. To unite and create an idenity for all color people. Since our culture was tooken away, and our history was earase. Two or more blacks getting togethier was consider trouble.
This media today, is starting to be more exceptable of curves. Times has always been mean to women. Thier was a period where curvy women was it. Than there came a period, of skinny women. This has been this way for centuries. I know pleanty of white women with big butts, hips and thighs. I know pleanty of black women, with no butt, hips or thighs. Really what is black features!
I think the sterotypes. When it comes to black women. Is about how lady like they act. We allow black men to exploit us! We protect them with statements. Like it is our culture, when the feminist group argue agaisnt it! Like Nelly and the adverstisement for his jeans. After we defend Nelly, feminist said "let the black women deal with it". If we are to carry ourself as a whole, with respect. I believe we will have a better image of color women. How can you respect a woman. Who allows herself to be disrespected. If she stand up and say your wrong. Than you can respect her! But if she continues to allow it! That is what she is!
White women demand respect, a lot of black women do not! You have to say no! You have to be firm and say I want my respect! In the most lady like way! You cant expect to be treated like a lady. If you dont act like a lady. Have you ever wonder ? Why is it black women, are not as lady like? Why they allow themseleves to be exploited in media like whores.
You have those who are racist. There is nothing, you can do about thier stupidness. But you cant expect to be put on a pedestal. By men if you dont act like a lady. Look at Halle Barry! When she change her ways. She attract all men. You can be beautiful, but if you dont carry yourself a certain way. It just turn off a lot of people.
I know a lot of men. Who respect and love black women. They think they are beautiful. The way a lot of black people. Stay in a neagtive way of living, is not at all sexy.
kikidejavu
02-02-2008, 12:28 AM
i totally agree with with you! Its all about black women being proud of who they are, whatever they look like. and i think its so funny how like at hbcu's and in sororities all they teach is being a lady, and most black women are very conservative when it comes to things of a sexual nature. u know the stereotypes, we dont suck dick, we dont do it in the butt, strippers are the scum of the earth (lol) but all we see on tv is girls shakin they ass! it's so backwards
Jay Zeno
02-03-2008, 08:37 AM
I don't understand it. I mean, I understand the need for grouping for strength. That's as old as the human species.
I can take pride in landing a good job. In excelling in an endeavor. In patient efforts that pay off over the years. For some achievement that stands out.
But to take pride in having a DNA combination? That was entirely out of my control. I might as well take pride in the sun being warm, or the lake being cool and clear.
I suggest, futilely, that we reserve our pride for our own accomplishments, or the accomplishments of those whom we hold dear, and work at impressing people with our own good qualities and assessing people on their personal strengths rather than some notion of their race, ethnicity, gender, and so on. That's when you know you've gotten past the human bias card.
jester214
02-03-2008, 11:20 AM
Now you're saying "black pride" is only for black women? Just furthers my point.
leilanicandy
02-03-2008, 02:23 PM
I don't understand it. I mean, I understand the need for grouping for strength. That's as old as the human species.
I can take pride in landing a good job. In excelling in an endeavor. In patient efforts that pay off over the years. For some achievement that stands out.
But to take pride in having a DNA combination? That was entirely out of my control. I might as well take pride in the sun being warm, or the lake being cool and clear.
I suggest, futilely, that we reserve our pride for our own accomplishments, or the accomplishments of those whom we hold dear, and work at impressing people with our own good qualities and assessing people on their personal strengths rather than some notion of their race, ethnicity, gender, and so on. That's when you know you've gotten past the human bias card.
i agree, zbut when it was thought of, It was not ment to be predjuice. I think now people are realizing more of the double standards.
leilanicandy
02-03-2008, 02:26 PM
Now you're saying "black pride" is only for black women? Just furthers my point.
nobody wrote those words. I told you wher it come froms. I told you what black women need to do!
Miss_Luscious
02-03-2008, 03:56 PM
I think the difference between "white pride" and "black pride" is that most people who claim white pride are saying that the white race is the best where as black pride is more along the lines of making black people proud of themselves and their place in the world.
It's necessarry because every single day black people are told of their/our inferior-ness. It's like having someone tell you your whole life "You aint shit, you ain't never gonna be shit and your kids will never be shit." and then to have another person come along and say, "That's not true. You're wonderful and beautiful and you are somebody important" It's used more as a means to uplift black people not put other races down.
And of course there are always peole who say there is no such thing as racism anymore and everyone is equal with equal opportunity but I can bet these people have never been a dark-skinned poor black person from the ghetto.
TheSexKitten
02-03-2008, 06:13 PM
And of course there are always peole who say there is no such thing as racism anymore and everyone is equal with equal opportunity but I can bet these people have never been a dark-skinned poor black person from the ghetto.
Perfectly said! :hat:
jester214
02-04-2008, 01:17 AM
I think the difference between "white pride" and "black pride" is that most people who claim white pride are saying that the white race is the best where as black pride is more along the lines of making black people proud of themselves and their place in the world.
It's necessarry because every single day black people are told of their/our inferior-ness. It's like having someone tell you your whole life "You aint shit, you ain't never gonna be shit and your kids will never be shit." and then to have another person come along and say, "That's not true. You're wonderful and beautiful and you are somebody important" It's used more as a means to uplift black people not put other races down.
And of course there are always peole who say there is no such thing as racism anymore and everyone is equal with equal opportunity but I can bet these people have never been a dark-skinned poor black person from the ghetto.
And white people get told every day how horrible they've made things for black people. And how they should be punished because of what their ancestors did 200 years ago.... Maybe they need white pride for that?
It's all bullshit... every bit of it. White Pride, Black Pride, Gay Pride... Er, I'm getting annoyed, but I really truely don't mean to step on anyones toes.
Miss_Luscious
02-04-2008, 08:33 AM
And white people get told every day how horrible they've made things for black people. And how they should be punished because of what their ancestors did 200 years ago.... Maybe they need white pride for that?
It's all bullshit... every bit of it. White Pride, Black Pride, Gay Pride... Er, I'm getting annoyed, but I really truely don't mean to step on anyones toes.
I for one don't think reparations are a good idea and I don't think white people today should be punished for stuff that happened 200 years ago. However, I think you are (purposely) missing the point. White people in america for the most part to not have a history of being stepped on. Black people do. There is a need for black people to be proud of themselves and thier accomplishments because for years blacks have been seen as inferior. You know and I know and everyone else here knows that "White Pride" is most often used by white supremacists groups in order to make other races seem inferior. Black Pride and Gay Pride are about uplifting those people and NOT making other people feel bad about themselves.
To put it simply:
White Pride - "We are great because we are white. Everyone else is inferior"
Black Pride - "We are great and we are black. We are just as good as everyone else."
kikidejavu
02-04-2008, 12:19 PM
i too think jester is purposely not getting it. but thats ok because like i said, black pride is not about other people getting it. its about me and how i feel about myself.
sixelayvi
02-06-2008, 07:04 AM
the Jews, Japanese, and Pacific Islanders (nuclear bomb testing) ALL got repatations so why cant blacks?
*some people are still waiting for 40 acres and a mule*
Eric Stoner
02-06-2008, 08:00 AM
the Jews, Japanese, and Pacific Islanders (nuclear bomb testing) ALL got repatations so why cant blacks?
*some people are still waiting for 40 acres and a mule*
Fine. Get them from the Democrats who reversed Reconstruction starting in 1877 and then for DECADES supported Jim Crow and lynching. Get them from the Daleys and Chicago Machine that for decades kept Black folk locked in on the South Side. Get them from Teddy K. and all the other "Limousine Liberals" who STILL support a failed Public Education system that promotes mediocrity and failure among Black students. Get em from Jesse and Sharpton and Charlie Rangel and Maxine Waters who for decades promoted Black dependency on government.
Nobody in my family ever owned slaves. On my father's side we had folks who fought for the Union against slavery. Something like 600,000 Union soldiers DIED to end slavery. How much of the "reparations" do their descendents get ?
jester214
02-06-2008, 10:50 AM
I for one don't think reparations are a good idea and I don't think white people today should be punished for stuff that happened 200 years ago. However, I think you are (purposely) missing the point. White people in america for the most part to not have a history of being stepped on. Black people do. There is a need for black people to be proud of themselves and thier accomplishments because for years blacks have been seen as inferior. You know and I know and everyone else here knows that "White Pride" is most often used by white supremacists groups in order to make other races seem inferior. Black Pride and Gay Pride are about uplifting those people and NOT making other people feel bad about themselves.
To put it simply:
White Pride - "We are great because we are white. Everyone else is inferior"
Black Pride - "We are great and we are black. We are just as good as everyone else."
That last distinction is such bullshit... You make out like Black Pride is all about equality and love, and the same with other prides, except of course for white pride which is all about hate.
Why can't you see it for what it is? All of that pride stuff is just crap, it's something for people to hide behind. None of it's about equality. Why can't eveyone just say "We are great".
With what your saying there should be no "American Pride" because America hasn't been stepped on in a long time, and has almost always been on top.
And as far as reparations go.... The whole idea is ridiculous, so few people actually owned slaves, and by this point in time most of there ancestors are probably dirt poor.
Eric Stoner
02-06-2008, 11:02 AM
That last distinction is such bullshit... You make out like Black Pride is all about equality and love, and the same with other prides, except of course for white pride which is all about hate.
Why can't you see it for what it is? All of that pride stuff is just crap, it's something for people to hide behind. None of it's about equality. Why can't eveyone just say "We are great".
With what your saying there should be no "American Pride" because America hasn't been stepped on in a long time, and has almost always been on top.
And as far as reparations go.... The whole idea is ridiculous, so few people actually owned slaves, and by this point in time most of there ancestors are probably dirt poor.
Just dealing with your last point; there are a LOT of wealthy people in this country whose ancestors owned slaves. So what ? The point is to look FORWARD and advance ; not to look back. Reparations opens up a ridiculous never ending cycle of "What about me". What about Native Americans ; Mexicans and the Inuit ? What about descendants of WHITE indentured servants and chattel slaves ? Or those of Chinese coolies who built the railroads for slave wages and in slave conditions ? Or the Irish coal miners ? The list of the aggrieved is as long as our country's history.
Reparations are just a veneer for Socialism and income redistribution.
Miss_Luscious
02-06-2008, 04:56 PM
the Jews, Japanese, and Pacific Islanders (nuclear bomb testing) ALL got repatations so why cant blacks?
*some people are still waiting for 40 acres and a mule*
The difference is these people actually went thorough what they are getting reparations for. No one alive today was a slave. How about this:
Your great-great grand father and my great-great grand father grew up together. Your g-ggrandfather was a bully to my g-ggrandfather and made his life hell. Now in 2008 I come to you and say, "Your g-ggrandfather ruined my g-ggrandfather's life and you owe me money for it." It doesn't make sense does it?
That last distinction is such bullshit... You make out like Black Pride is all about equality and love, and the same with other prides, except of course for white pride which is all about hate.
Why can't you see it for what it is? All of that pride stuff is just crap, it's something for people to hide behind. None of it's about equality. Why can't eveyone just say "We are great".
With what your saying there should be no "American Pride" because America hasn't been stepped on in a long time, and has almost always been on top.
And as far as reparations go.... The whole idea is ridiculous, so few people actually owned slaves, and by this point in time most of there ancestors are probably dirt poor.
You are just being dense on purpose. There are black supremecists and they are just as bad as white supremecists. They use the terms in a bastardized way that has no real relation to the original meaning of Black pride. Most black people look down on these organizations just like (I hope) most white people look down on white supremecists.
But you know just like everyone else that the first thing you think of when you hear "White Pride" is white supremecy. It's in the slogan for Stormfront! Black pride came about at a time when black people were trying to raise themselves above the bullshit to be considred equal and worthy. They were saying, it's ok to be black, be proud of who you are and what you can accomplish. White pride comes from rasists who want to keep "their" country "pure". It's a way to keep other races down. YOU KNOW THIS! Stop being argumentative just to prove some nonsensical point. I'm starting to question whether you are a troll, a white supremecist, or just ignorant about the world. I hope it's the latter of the three.
And while I'm posting, I would like to ask why whenever a white person acknowleges that is racisim still a problem today, other white people like to call them apologists like it's bad thing. Why's so wrong with speaking out against the problems blacks still have today because of racism? Why do people think that it's not a problem anymore?
And how come peole always want to scream "Socialism!" whenever the topic of reparations or social programs for the poor come up? There are plenty of social programs that benefit everyone like polic anf fire departments. These are paid for by taxes but no one cries about that. How about we get rid of all social programs and all you people can fight your own crime, put out your own fires, teach your own kids (or pay for private school) and build your own roads. That way you "Socialism!" people can only pay for the services you use and shut the fuck up.
Wow I'm angry today.:O
kikidejavu
02-06-2008, 07:34 PM
thank you miss luscious you are so well spoken. but i am so done with this conversation and i think you should be too. we tried, but if they want to continue to disagree, just to be disagreeing with somebody, then you shouldn't waste your time anymore.
like i said black pride is not meant to be understood by everyone because its not for everyone, but as long as you know, which you have made clear that you do, then the purpose has been served.
jester214
02-06-2008, 11:01 PM
You are just being dense on purpose. There are black supremecists and they are just as bad as white supremecists. They use the terms in a bastardized way that has no real relation to the original meaning of Black pride. Most black people look down on these organizations just like (I hope) most white people look down on white supremecists.
But you know just like everyone else that the first thing you think of when you hear "White Pride" is white supremecy. It's in the slogan for Stormfront! Black pride came about at a time when black people were trying to raise themselves above the bullshit to be considred equal and worthy. They were saying, it's ok to be black, be proud of who you are and what you can accomplish. White pride comes from rasists who want to keep "their" country "pure". It's a way to keep other races down. YOU KNOW THIS! Stop being argumentative just to prove some nonsensical point. I'm starting to question whether you are a troll, a white supremecist, or just ignorant about the world. I hope it's the latter of the three.
And while I'm posting, I would like to ask why whenever a white person acknowleges that is racisim still a problem today, other white people like to call them apologists like it's bad thing. Why's so wrong with speaking out against the problems blacks still have today because of racism? Why do people think that it's not a problem anymore?
And how come peole always want to scream "Socialism!" whenever the topic of reparations or social programs for the poor come up? There are plenty of social programs that benefit everyone like polic anf fire departments. These are paid for by taxes but no one cries about that. How about we get rid of all social programs and all you people can fight your own crime, put out your own fires, teach your own kids (or pay for private school) and build your own roads. That way you "Socialism!" people can only pay for the services you use and shut the fuck up.
Wow I'm angry today.:O
First off Fuck you.
I'm stating to think you're being dense on purpose, or maybe you really are an idiot. If you actually read my posts, I say in almost all of them, that I think the ideas of all this "pride" is total bullshit. I even directly said that most white pride is a cover for racism. But you can't read that, you only look for what you want too. You look for where I make a point about "Black pride" in relation to "white pride" then stop reading so you can call me "dense".
My points about "white pride" vs. "black pride" were trying to point out the idiocy of the whole system, obviously you can't grasp that. I also said that I was trying not to step on anyone toes, and avoid making it personal. You on the other hand just want to lump me in as a white supremecist so you can disregard my statements. So fuck you.
Your last two paragraphs are just ranting on two things I've never even mentioned so why don't you shut the fuck up.
I wasn't angry today, but now I'm fucking pissed that someone reads half my posts and then says I'm either a liar, racist, or dumb.
kikidejavu
02-07-2008, 12:09 AM
dude seriously if u arent being dense on purpose then thats sad because we keep saying the same things over again about black pride not being based on your genetics, but your self esteem. over and over again, in different words, in different ways, and we have broke it down so many times can you really blame someone for being frustrated when you keep making comments as though it is truly about genetics when we are telling u its not. u cannot have ur own opinion about what black pride is. it was defined in its creation, and is not up for interpretation. it is what it is. a way for blacks to justify and encourage themselves. u cant argue about what it is or the intent of it. its like arguing with a history book. dude.
Miss_Luscious
02-07-2008, 01:10 AM
Jester, the last couple of paragraphs weren't directed at you. Obviously. Way to take offense for nothing. If it don't apply, then let it fly, right?
And I'm sorry if you were offended by me questioning whether you are a WS or just ignorant of the facts but honestly, I'm not the only one who feels you are the one being dense on purpose. I never said you were a WS, in fact I said I hope that you weren't.
And fuck me? I never personally attacked you so why fuck me? I'm trying to educate you and really get a feel for your motives. Damn...fuck me? I guess I actually made some good points so now all you have to fall back on is "Fuck You". Alright then, I guess this discussion is over? Well then do me a favor. Google "black pride" and then google "white pride" see the difference? That's what I'm trying to convey to you.
jester214
02-07-2008, 06:00 AM
Jester, the last couple of paragraphs weren't directed at you. Obviously. Way to take offense for nothing. If it don't apply, then let it fly, right?
And I'm sorry if you were offended by me questioning whether you are a WS or just ignorant of the facts but honestly, I'm not the only one who feels you are the one being dense on purpose. I never said you were a WS, in fact I said I hope that you weren't.
And fuck me? I never personally attacked you so why fuck me? I'm trying to educate you and really get a feel for your motives. Damn...fuck me? I guess I actually made some good points so now all you have to fall back on is "Fuck You". Alright then, I guess this discussion is over? Well then do me a favor. Google "black pride" and then google "white pride" see the difference? That's what I'm trying to convey to you.
You imply that, I'm a liar, a racist, a troll, or stupid... So how are you not being personaly? And, just because you add "I hope you aren't" onto something, doesn't mean you didn't say it. You also end a post with shut the fuck up? So your obviously talking to some one. I mean how should I take that post, nonpersonally?
Obviously either I made some good points, or you can't read well... Because again you fail to read my full post.
I'm going to underline it I think ALL of this race pride, whether it be a mask for racism or whatever, is bullshit, I don't even think its about pride, why can't we just be proud of our own accomplishments? There, look at that, thats what I've been saying the whole time, but you, for whatever reason zeroed in on the points I was trying to make about the ridiculousness of "white vs black, pride".
TheSexKitten
02-07-2008, 10:55 AM
We all got your point several pages ago. And I have to agree that "race pride" at its most basic meaning is indeed foolish, but the world we live in is not black and white (ha, ha), so there are circumstances and societal/historical factors to consider when determining the motives in either the Black Power movement or the white supremacy movement (and yes white pride doesnt REALLY REALLY just basically by the letter mean white supremacy but even if you are naive enough to look at it that way then still the overwhelming majority is racist).
Long parentheses...!
Just FYI.
Deogol
02-08-2008, 06:31 AM
Some people need a hot chocolate and a comedy movie around here! :)
sixelayvi
02-08-2008, 04:21 PM
this thread just shows that racism and ignorance is still alive and well in this country......
there are very valid arguments too. I made a comment on reparations just to point it out. it might be hard to find descendants of slaves in this day and age because of lack of records. on my moms side, i suspect that i am descended from slaves and slave master alike (thats why you have a lot of light-skinned black people running around). we ALL reap the benefits of slavery, this country became the most powerful county because of 200 years of free labor.
there is only one race-human.
when someone says that they are racist towards certain ethnic groups, i like to say i am misanthropic (i have a general dislike for humans)
threlayer
02-12-2008, 08:39 PM
Funny, the few white supremacists I've come across are substandard to just about anyone else I've ever met. It's called COMPENSATION in psych terms.