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Howie
01-28-2008, 04:30 PM
I always talk about my sports cars, big house, how much money I make/have, my big cock, how many different women I'm banging at the moment. You get the idea. Lie my ass off cause its a Strip Club and if the number of truths exceeded the lies told, the world would surely end.

OTC I wouldn't even think of talking to women I don't know cause I could care less if they could be hustled or not.

lestat1
01-28-2008, 04:56 PM
Now if M--k were to make a SW account...would any of you be willing to talk to him about it via PM?(I don't know if he even wants to make an account, just figured I'd throw that idea out there early on just in case)

I'll talk with him and share experiences, though that may only make him feel worse. I'm not a member of the "anyone can get someone" camp.

lestat1
01-28-2008, 05:00 PM
Learned Helplessness (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness):


Learned helplessness is a psychological condition in which a human being or an animal has learned to believe that it is helpless in a particular situation. It has come to believe that it has no control over its situation and that whatever it does is futile. As a result, the human being or the animal will stay passive in the face of an unpleasant, harmful or damaging situation, even when it does actually have the power to change its circumstances. Learned helplessness theory is the view that depression results from a perceived lack of control over the events in one's life, which may result from prior exposure to (actually or apparently) uncontrollable negative events.


It sounds a lot like learned helplessness, although he is actively trying to meet women. He approaches them. Maybe he's in the early stages of learned helplessness? In any case, this does sound like he needs therapy, but first he'll need the means to pay for it. :-\

PhillyDancer1982
01-28-2008, 05:06 PM
LOL you guys crack me up. And yeah, I agree with the people who say that perhaps M--k(and his name is not Mask! HAHAHAHA although I admit that one had me cracking up in the middle of the office :D) has "learned helplessness disorder" and preys upon pity. I'm even starting to doubt some details of his prostitute story and other pitiful stories. HOWEVER, I don't think M--k uses the pity act as a way to get girls, considering how horribly unsuccessful the pity act has worked for him(i.e., he STILL hasn't gotten any).

I keep telling M--k to stop pitying himself. I also tell him that if he keeps acting the way he's acted, he's going to get the same results that he's always gotten...aka ZILCH. Ugh. I just wish M--k would listen to me once in a while and do something to CHANGE his attitude. He claims that he acts invisible/nonexistent because if he speaks up, people will hate him and find fault with him. Uggggghhhhh I can't stand him sometimes!!!! But yeah, I pretty much agree with all that you guys have to say so far...thank you! :)

Also, please continue to mock and make fun of M--k. He deserves to hear it out...if me coddling him hasn't helped him yet, maybe some harsh tough love(i.e., you guys mocking him for acting like a pity party/pussy) will. So please continue so that M--k starts to see the light. Mock him the way you guys mocked Nerdy last year haha. (Dude...FYI Nerdy is a smooth-talking STUD on his WORST DAY compared to M--k!)

Susan Wayward
01-28-2008, 05:23 PM
LOL you guys crack me up. And yeah, I agree with the people who say that perhaps M--k(and his name is not Mask! HAHAHAHA although I admit that one had me cracking up in the middle of the office :D)

No, it's fucking Mark, though you've been oh-so-clever with your hyphens.

miabella
01-28-2008, 05:34 PM
he's right-- people will hate him. it just won't be ALL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. he can continue creeping out every girl he wants to have sex with or he can 'speak up' more and creep out only some of those women.

you can't make everybody happy and the people who try tend to be more irritating than the people who accept that no matter how pleasant a person you are, some people will never like you.

Casual Observer
01-28-2008, 06:54 PM
I actually say he's making it all up. This is his angle; the pity fuck. He's probably rolling in girls who don't find him attractive but whom he has convinced that he will die a miserable and unloved virgin if they don't give up the hole at least once (come on - every girl who hasn't fallen for that line at least once, raise your hand?)

Good point. Perhaps Mook is working the sympathy angle...badly.

Lunarobverse
01-28-2008, 07:13 PM
No, it's fucking Mark, though you've been oh-so-clever with your hyphens.

Hmmm, it might be Mick, or Monk, or Musk, or Mack... Milk... Mock... Murk. Uh... That's all I can think of on a Monday-fried over-caffeinated brain.

Susan's probably right: the simplest answer is probably the correct one. Also, Susan's frustration comes through loud and clear, and made me laugh out loud.

But, seriously, what is PhillyDancer1982 getting from this guy's friendship? Either he's lying to her to get what is arguably the lowest level of human interaction, or he's the most annoying person on the planet.

hockeybobby
01-28-2008, 07:47 PM
fat girls have turned him down for a free meal or a free drink. One time when he politely offered a girl a drink, she claimed that she'd rather kill her firstborn child than have a drink with him. :(

:O Well i'm fresh out of ideas.
hb

xdamage
01-28-2008, 07:50 PM
Side story...

I was in SoCal this weekend with my daughter. The Hotel we stayed at had a bar that turned into a nightclub after 10pm, so we decided to check it out, have some father/daughter drinks, and laughs before bed. Well... at the desk collecting entry fees were these three very large women. Thinking it is just a coincidence, soon a few more LARGE women entered, some in groups, some with guys, some alone. After about 30 minutes it dawns on us... this is a fetish club/spot. BIG BIG BIG women, and scuzzy? hard-up? guys who go for big women. The women really didn't seem too picky about the guys, so who knows, maybe your friend can find a club like that in Philly and try his luck?

hockeybobby
01-28-2008, 08:12 PM
Oh my god - a guy was teasing me about this guy I call "my puppy"; like he followed me around, etc. etc. (although I maintain I don't know if he had a crush on me or just was incredibly grateful that anyone was paying attention to him) and said that I should at least blow him once before graduation; the way he put it was "he would be so grateful". My response was exactly that: "No he wouldn't. You know he'd just wind up pissy and irritated when I didn't want to do it again."

Ok...the pity fuck technique I was working on is right out. I see that now.
Anybody have any "hustle techniques" they think might work with Jenny?

I gots ta know! ;)
hb

Richard_Head
01-28-2008, 10:53 PM
Side story...

I was in SoCal this weekend with my daughter. The Hotel we stayed at had a bar that turned into a nightclub after 10pm, so we decided to check it out, have some father/daughter drinks, and laughs before bed. Well... at the desk collecting entry fees were these three very large women. Thinking it is just a coincidence, soon a few more LARGE women entered, some in groups, some with guys, some alone. After about 30 minutes it dawns on us... this is a fetish club/spot. BIG BIG BIG women, and scuzzy? hard-up? guys who go for big women. The women really didn't seem too picky about the guys, so who knows, maybe your friend can find a club like that in Philly and try his luck?Yes, search the internet for BBW nights in Philadelphia.

Richard_Head
01-28-2008, 10:53 PM
Has he tried Craig's List?

Bob_Loblaw
01-28-2008, 11:13 PM
he will die a miserable and unloved virgin if they don't give up the hole at least onceThis is a gem!

I dunno. I don't think he's working the pity angle. Anyone with a little common sense would come to the conclusion this approach isn't working a long time ago. Rather, he's resigned to defeat before even trying thus resulting in a self-fulfilling prophecy. Rick is right. If he's not willing to help himself by improving his own situation financially, professionally, socially, etc., he's doomed to repeat history. And that's just pitiful.


No, it's fucking Mark
No no... we've already established that there has been no fucking going on

PhillyDancer1982
01-29-2008, 08:35 AM
Hahahahahaha you guys crack me up even more! :D

By the way, I've sent M--k to read this thread right as we speak. Considering that he's outta work for a little bit(the mortgage industry sucks right now), he has more than ample time to read this thread and work on self improvements. I told him that while he's taking time to jobsearch, he should also take time out to attend some social skills counselling classes, since social skills and confidence building will help him with girls AND finding a new job.

Poor M--k. I honestly wonder if he'll ever see the light. :(

PhillyDancer1982
01-29-2008, 08:40 AM
he's right-- people will hate him. it just won't be ALL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME. he can continue creeping out every girl he wants to have sex with or he can 'speak up' more and creep out only some of those women.

you can't make everybody happy and the people who try tend to be more irritating than the people who accept that no matter how pleasant a person you are, some people will never like you.

OMG I TELL HIM THIS ALL THE FREAKIN TIME!!! I TRY TO EXPLAIN HOW ILLOGICAL IT IS TO TRY AND PLEASE EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME, OR TO HUMBLE YOURSELF IN AN EFFORT TO PISS OFF NOBODY, BUT HE JUST DOESN'T GET IT!

Also, you are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT that by M--k trying hard to stay a shadow in the background and not piss people off, he is being even MORE irritating than if he just didn't give a flying fuck. I keep explaining to him all these "ugly duckling to swan" stories about how me and my friends went from outcast to guy/girl magnet, and how this didn't happen until we started saying "fuck everyone, I'm gonna do what I want." He will always say, "Okay, maybe there's a grain of truth in that" and then go on being his boring, complacent, obsequious self. UGGGHHHH!!!

Maybe when M--k sees that most people here on SW agree with everything I've been telling him, he will see the light and start changing. But then again, he's been the same low-confident, insecure person from age 13 to age 27, so I honestly wonder if he'll ever change. M--k reminds me SO much of how I was at age 13, back when I had low self image and no esteem, and was real quiet, monotone, and obsequious just like him. But if I had to go through life STAYING the insecure, boring person that I was at 13, I'd be damned!! Ugh so it makes me angry for M--k...I wish he'd realize how badly he's screwing up his life and his own personal happiness!

PhillyDancer1982
01-29-2008, 11:46 AM
Okay here's M--k's response after reading this thread(his words, sent to me in an e-mail. I figured I'd post his e-mail here to see what you guys think):

Hey,

Finished reading the thread you sent me. Coupel thoughts

1. I figured out it was me a long while back im the only thing that’s even partly constant through the years. What I haven’t figured out yet is how to fix it.
2. it is possible that girl was not a hooker but she sure looked like one and was outside a cheap motel
3. no on the pity angle
4. I checked out the link the one guy posted and the site is both free and has pics of normal looking people on it. This is a first for me. Something to remember when I get a job and have some $$ to go out again.
5. if I could write well enough to make this up I’d be in CA right now working as a strike breaking scab against the writers guild for the TV shows…………….Heeeeey IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6. is it bad that I’m glad theres at least a few people out there worse off then me???
7. That’s all for now I gotta get cleaned up to go to my job interview
8. wish me luck

PS -- In case you are wondering, no M--k is not an unemployed bum LOL. He has a college degree. He was working for a bank/mortgage company but they let him go recently when they closed down the entire regional headquarters(along with 6 other regional headquarters offices in the country). He's currently jobsearching(evident by his e-mail) and he still has his part-time grocery store gig(which he works for extra money to pay his bills with, since his full-time mortgage job didn't pay that great). But right now he's not keen on admitting that he's a 2002 college grad only working at Acme. :(

lestat1
01-29-2008, 11:46 AM
He may realize it intellectually, hell, even I do and I'm worse off than him, but it's quite a leap between knowing how to improve his situation and actually doing it. I *know* conceptually how to sky dive, but doing it would be something else altogether. A more appropriate analogy than you might realize too, but your friend will understand. ;)

EDIT: Just read his response...okay so he doesn't know how to improve his situation. :P

PhillyDancer1982
01-29-2008, 04:07 PM
^ LOL JayZeno, you are right.

I really wish that M--k himself would come onto SW and explain a few things...you guys gotta hear it straight from the horse's mouth. I really hope you guys don't think that this M--k character is made-up or something. Unfortunately, he is real and so are his girl problems...as pathetic as they are. I would give you guys the link to his Myspace, but that would be way too far of an invasion on his privacy(unless he gives me permission).

Katrine
01-29-2008, 04:27 PM
Oh no, I've knowm many a M-cthulhu-K's in my life. They are pretty common when one works in IT. Oh, and they aren't too rare in the stripclub either, come to think of it.

He is doomed if he is unwilling to make any changes.

lestat1
01-29-2008, 04:30 PM
I'd be worried right now if I were an IT guy who is like M--k and who visits strip clubs. Whew; what a relief that's not the case. :D

Svelt
01-29-2008, 05:56 PM
I don't know, perhaps he just needs to hang around some guy who has game.

Be around and watch what the guy does and try the bits that he thinks might work for him.

And as far as hustle tactics go, depends on the goal, and its personal. What works for me I really doubt will work for others.

If I am just trying to get laid its pretty simple. I walk up to her, look her in the eye, pause a moment and say, "Interested?" it takes a second but when the reply is, "Yes". Then its just a quick negotiation to change location and then a short dance to the main event.

Looking for something more is different


Be yourself
Tell the truth
Only approach the women to which you are most attracted
If its not working move on
Don't seek approval


I basically think any woman can see right through me, so I try to be sincere. I try to be courteous, but sometimes I am rude. I am just myself, and I really hope they are as well. After all I am looking for something more.

xdamage
01-29-2008, 06:42 PM
I TRY TO EXPLAIN HOW ILLOGICAL IT IS TO TRY AND PLEASE EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME, OR TO HUMBLE YOURSELF IN AN EFFORT TO PISS OFF NOBODY, BUT HE JUST DOESN'T GET IT!


Well this is true. Excessive meakness does not result in people liking you. It usually just results in people not particularly noticing you (unless you are good looking or have something else people want like money, in which case they may take the initiative).

PhillyDancer1982
01-31-2008, 09:40 AM
Well this is true. Excessive meakness does not result in people liking you. It usually just results in people not particularly noticing you (unless you are good looking or have something else people want like money, in which case they may take the initiative).

AMEN TO THAT! ;D I tell him this all the freakin time. And I told him this again during our phone convo while I was driving to work this morning. He claims that in his experience, "being himself" causes MORE bad than good. Ugh I think he's just a pussy who's SCARED to find himself or act unique. Sometimes when you accept your lowly humble position in life over many years as a "shadow person" that's always in the background, it can be VERY hard to snap out of it and realize that you're worthy of doing what you want and speaking up for it.

Lunarobverse
01-31-2008, 09:53 AM
He needs to love himself first.

:grouphug:

Now we all sing "Kumbaya".

xdamage
01-31-2008, 12:17 PM
...He claims that in his experience, "being himself" causes MORE bad than good. ... Sometimes when you accept your lowly humble position in life over many years as a "shadow person" that's always in the background, it can be VERY hard to snap out of it and realize that you're worthy of doing what you want and speaking up for it.

In the end it's up to him to make a decision (or not) to try a new approach to life. Some people never do, no matter that their current approach isn't working. But for whatever it's worth, I was excessively meek when I was younger too. It's relatively easy to believe that as long as you are not upsetting anyone else people will view you as likable. When I did finally start being myself, yep, sometimes people didn't like me, sometimes I went too far even, but it turns out many people do like me very much just being me. Also life is simply a lot more fun when we aren't living it as "shadow person" as you put it. Hopefully one day your friend will decide to try a new approach.

Snappa
01-31-2008, 08:15 PM
^^^
Words of wisdom. While I'd never have called myself meek, I definitely went through a period of self-doubt, low self-esteem, antisocial behavior, etc. Sometimes it takes a major change in one aspect of your life, be it career, physical fitness, quitting a bad habit, or randomly hooking up with a one-night stand to start building a more 'whole' personality. Hell, I think I've benefited from ego boosts from all of the above.

Don't let Monk sweat about his failure in this aspect of his life. Tell him to work on changing something he can change about himself or his life that he doesn't like. He lost his good job, that doesn't mean that he can't find something just as good or better in a related field. The effect will be a lot easier to achieve, and will help with the current problem a lot in the long run.

PhillyDancer1982
02-01-2008, 09:53 AM
As far as the job thing goes, he might actually have a saving grace. First, he's still getting severance from the mortgage job that laid him last month, and this severance will continue (regardless of his job status) until mid March. Second, he is almost definitely hired at a temp-to-perm job that doesn't pay great, but pays a few dollars per hour more than the mortgage job did -- he's just waiting to get the results of his criminal background check(he's never been arrested) and drug test(he hasn't smoked pot in 3-4 yrs) back, which he should have no problems with. So if everything goes through, he will be working a new, more stable job that pays higher than his old job did, plus he'll be getting extra money from the severance. Hopefully that'll raise his esteem a bit. Perhaps getting this job so quickly after getting laid off will show him that he IS "worthwhile" to employers, and maybe that confidence will also transfer over to how "worthwhile" he views himself as date material.

I went through something similar a few years ago. When I was a 22-yr-old destitute college grad literally making less money at my hostess job($5.15/hr) than I'd made at age 15 at McDonalds, my confidence was in the shitter. A lot of guys viewed me as "undesirable" as a result of having no accomplishments, financial stability, or even residence stability...I know for a fact that some guys were disinterested in me for these reasons. But when I started dancing and making "real" money, and subsequently was able to get my own place to live, a car, and finally graduate from the "poverty level" tax bracket, my confidence went up again...partly because I felt that I now had some tatus.

Now M--k's NEVER been nearly as destitute as I was 3 yrs ago pre-dancing, plus he already has a nice 2006 Pontiac G6 and his own apartment...so I doubt the new job will have as drastic of an effect on his confidence as it did for me, but...it can only help! :)

hockeybobby
02-01-2008, 10:09 AM
^^^ I think a guy's self-esteem is more wrapped up in his work/wealth/provider situation than anything else. IMHO Cultural conditioning probably.
hb

Snappa
02-01-2008, 10:14 AM
^^^
I dunno, I think mine is more tied up in my satisfaction with life. When I'm feeling good about everything around me, I'm feeling good about myself. Likewise, when stuff unravels a bit, I get a bit of self doubt. Work and wealth are actually pretty low on the importance meter to me. I'm a big believer in quality of life. As long as I've got enough cash to live comfortably, I'm not going to put myself in an early grave by working myself to death for a bigger paycheck.

Provider in the sex-work definition of things, or provider as in 'for the family'?

hockeybobby
02-01-2008, 10:24 AM
^^^
I dunno, I think mine is more tied up in my satisfaction with life. When I'm feeling good about everything around me, I'm feeling good about myself. Likewise, when stuff unravels a bit, I get a bit of self doubt. Work and wealth are actually pretty low on the importance meter to me. I'm a big believer in quality of life. As long as I've got enough cash to live comfortably, I'm not going to put myself in an early grave by working myself to death for a bigger paycheck.

Provider in the sex-work definition of things, or provider as in 'for the family'?

Provider for the family. Your satisfaction with life/quality of life, and hence your self-esteem may be more directly related to your work than you realize. For example: imagine yourself unemployed with the money faucet turned off. How good would you be feeling about everything around you then? For starters, forget the strip club. Now that would suck.
See my point? ;)
hb

Snappa
02-01-2008, 10:40 AM
Yes, I do, now. I was concentrating more on the job/wealth thing and less about how those directly relate to quality of life. Semantics. I think we're saying the same thing.

Rick1
02-01-2008, 12:21 PM
So, is he willing to do anything different?

If not, this thread might as well die.

Rick

Alaska
02-01-2008, 06:14 PM
Maybe he should try going into a sc and asking the custys there hisself?

hockeybobby
02-01-2008, 07:23 PM
Maybe he should try going into a sc and asking the custys there hisself?

What do you mean Alaska?
hb

Alaska
02-01-2008, 07:24 PM
I meant sarcasticness:-X

hockeybobby
02-01-2008, 08:39 PM
I meant sarcasticness:-X

I thought so, but I wasn't sure. ;) Thanks for clarifying that Alaska.
Assuming you've read the OP and the thread, what are your thoughts on what we've been chatting about here?
hb

SundayMorning
02-02-2008, 10:26 PM
It's too bad he's poor, otherwise he could go into financial slavery to a Pro-Domme who could tell him exactly what a pathetic loser he is. Win/win!

PhillyDancer1982
02-03-2008, 11:22 PM
It's too bad he's poor, otherwise he could go into financial slavery to a Pro-Domme who could tell him exactly what a pathetic loser he is. Win/win!

Awwww that's mean! :( Although it is kinda funny though at the same time lol.

mparks
02-13-2008, 09:51 AM
It's too bad he's poor, otherwise he could go into financial slavery to a Pro-Domme who could tell him exactly what a pathetic loser he is. Win/win!

Haha, best response yet!