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xfatrabbitx
02-13-2008, 09:44 PM
read lolita....i've mastered the pedophilia role by learning about the main character's perversion with the minor.....its more than just looking young, acting the part makes a big diff...to me its all about being naive. giggling to immature, childish jokes...being distracted a lot..outspoken..getting overly excited over nothing..lol..etc etc..

either way..yes the world is sick...but perverts = $$$
besides, these guys are usually the nicest.

SundayMorning
02-13-2008, 09:44 PM
Also.... why does this have to devolve into some catty thick girls vs. thin girls thing.

The issue Viola brought up had to do with creepy old men being attracted to, and purchasing dances from, women who emulated children. I think it has nothing to do with weight really. Jenna Haze might be a sweet chick, but dressing up as a girl scout implies that girl scouts are sexy... to men. :no:

Strippers can be thin and womanly (i.e. like Victoria Beckham.... she's very skinny, stylish, and some would argue sexy).

Why does children's clothing and behavior have to serve as some crutch for a girl that can't figure out how to accentuate her own body type without resorting to appealing to pedo-perverts?

Why does it have to be a crutch? It's as much a prop, an element of the fantasy, as our 8" heels and neon bikini sets. It creates an illusion, exactly what our work entails. To me, it's like saying "why do BDSM people need to have all those paddles and leather and shit? Why can't they just have sex?" Well, they can...but the experience is more rich and multi-layered when you involve outfits and props. Hence feature dancing. Hence why we don't all just start off naked and stay that way. I...llu...sion... Not crutch.

I think I'm gonna step out now. I've said my piece. We're just going back and forth with the same people and the same arguments.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 09:46 PM
I have a tricycle. And a little red wagon. And a backpack :-[

They work for the sets that I do, and that really is the only reason I use them. I'm about to get a 'little country girl' outfit complete with little overalls, frilly socks and a pink and white gingham top. Am I doing it to attract pedophiles? No. I'm doing it because it makes me mountains of cash.

Ginger... that's all well and good. But do you ever think that those mountains of cash may be coming from the pockets of men that have those tendencies?

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 09:47 PM
I think calling someone insecure because they appreciate a woman with curves is equivalent to firing the first shot.

ah no im calling people who say only curvy women are REAL insecure not people who appreciate curvy woman. Obviously this is a touchy subject for you as you are the one being catty not me. I said ALL women are REAL women.

Quoting studies that curvy women give birth to smarter babies? Well as they say there is one born every minute isn't there LOL.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 09:49 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/13/earlyshow/health/main3493928.shtml

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 09:50 PM
^^^
haha oh it must be true then. As long as it keeps you happy.

Lysondra
02-13-2008, 09:52 PM
I love how this has degerated to a 'I'm bigger than you therefor smarter than you so I know I'm right' post from paedophilia.

Lysondra
02-13-2008, 09:53 PM
I also like how that report didn't say WHAT study... or what the IQ of the two women they noted were. Ha.

Lady Jade
02-13-2008, 09:54 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/13/earlyshow/health/main3493928.shtml

I'm going to have to look that study up because the article does not mention whether they study was based on American women or a world-wide sampling. Like I mentioned earlier... how do you explain all those smart Asian kids born to small-hipped Asian women?

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 09:54 PM
There is a thread about this on the blue side.

Even there guys admit that they are turned on by the school girl look because it reminds of them of sexual experiences they had with school girls.

I think that means that when you wear these outfits, and dance in them.... the men you dance for think about an underage girl. Gross...

Lysondra
02-13-2008, 09:55 PM
There is a thread about this on the blue side.

Even there guys admit that they are turned on by the school girl look because it reminds of them of sexual experiences they had with school girls.

I think that means that when you wear these outfits, and dance in them.... the men you dance for think about an underage girl. Gross...

Uh...that's not QUITE what they said... but ooookay.

Yekhefah
02-13-2008, 09:55 PM
I also like how that report didn't say WHAT study... or what the IQ of the two women they noted were. Ha.

Well, I'm 10 pounds overweight and we all know I'm a fucking genius, so there you are. ::)

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 09:55 PM
I'm going to have to look that study up because the article does not mention whether they study was based on American women or a world-wide sampling. Like I mentioned earlier... how do you explain all those smart Asian kids born to small-hipped Asian women?

I think it deals with ratios. Asian women may very well have smaller waists than us Russians in comparison to hip width.

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 09:55 PM
I love how this has degerated to a 'I'm bigger than you therefor smarter than you so I know I'm right' post from paedophilia.

No shit huh? well someone always gets pissed over something.
shit all i said was that all women are real woman. sorry for wanting to be regarded as REAL too coz I am slim and fit.

its as intelligent as the "people with blue eyes are smarter" studies LOL.

Well as i said, the phrase was coined for the insecure, here's proof.

Lysondra
02-13-2008, 09:56 PM
^^^ Well, I'm 10 pounds overweight and we all know I'm a fucking genius, so there you are. ::)

Better not lose that weight, you might become an idiot!

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 09:56 PM
Well, I'm 10 pounds overweight and we all know I'm a fucking genius, so there you are. ::)

Hehehe... this made me LOL.

Lysondra
02-13-2008, 09:57 PM
No shit huh? well someone always gets pissed over something.
shit all i said was that all women are real woman. sorry for wanting to be regarded as REAL too coz I am slim and fit.

its as intelligent as the "people with blue eyes are smarter" studies LOL.

Well as i said, the phrase was coined for the insecure, here's proof.

WTF!? YOU LIED TO ME! I totally thought you were IMAGINARY! You said you were my imaginary friend and now you're telling me you're REAL. I DEMAND A IMAGINTERNITY TEST!

Yekhefah
02-13-2008, 09:57 PM
:D

And now back to your regularly scheduled topic...

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 09:57 PM
Better not lose that weight, you might become an idiot!

LMAO. If you loose 5 lbs does your IQ go down 5 points?

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 10:10 PM
......
back on the topic.

I think if a guy is remember things he did with a school girl when he himself was a school boy there is nothing wrong with that.

I think if a man actually was to be with a school girl when he himself is an adult that is disgusting. But there is nothing wrong with reminiscing about ones younger years.

I remember kissing boys etc while I was in my school uniform. They were in their school uniforms too.

I dont think there is anything sick about the school girl theme. Just like there isn't anything sick about the nurse theme. It's just fantasy and role play.

There are things far sicker in this world that really happen, than a bit of fantasy.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 10:16 PM
I remember kissing boys etc while I was in my school uniform. They were in their school uniforms too.


Okay a guy getting a lap dance from a girl in a school girl uniform and thinking about sexual experiences that he had while in school... with an underage girl...

is sort of like...

Me having sex with my boyfriend and thinking about boys I kissed whilst in grade school....

Does that sound a little creepy? I can assure you that it's never happened since i am not sexually attracted to minors.


If there are no minors in the room... why the fuck are these guys thinking about minors?

I truly do believe that the guys who are into the school girl thing.... are into minors.... I dunno if it's cuz it's naughty... or if it's cuz they are wired that way. But holy fuck... it's sick.

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 10:18 PM
WTF!? YOU LIED TO ME! I totally thought you were IMAGINARY! You said you were my imaginary friend and now you're telling me you're REAL. I DEMAND A IMAGINTERNITY TEST!

LOL okay okay ill do the test hehe.;D

scarlett_vancouver
02-13-2008, 10:19 PM
I truly do believe that the guys who are into the school girl thing.... are into minors.... I dunno if it's cuz it's naughty... or if it's cuz they are wired that way. But holy fuck... it's sick.

Why do you believe that?

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 10:20 PM
Okay a guy getting a lap dance from a girl in a school girl uniform and thinking about sexual experiences that he had while in school... with an underage girl...

is sort of like...

Me having sex with my boyfriend and thinking about boys I kissed whilst in grade school....

Does that sound a little creepy? I can assure you that it's never happened since i am not sexually attracted to minors.


If there are no minors in the room... why the fuck are these guys thinking about minors?

I truly do believe that the guys who are into the school girl thing.... are into minors.... I dunno if it's cuz it's naughty... or if it's cuz they are wired that way. But holy fuck... it's sick.


I can see your point. But I just dont think imagining something is really that bad. There is a big diff between fantasy and reality. I imagine all sorts of things that i would never do in reality - like 3 somes.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 10:23 PM
Jai... and I swear... I am not trying to pick a fight.....

I just have to :banghead:

and say.....

But.... Threesomes... are...... NOT.... against the Law.

Whereas a 50 year old guy groping a 14 year old is. If this is what they imagine... ugh... I don't even want to continue.

I just wonder if adding fuel to some perverts fantasy is worth the $20.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 10:25 PM
Why do you believe that?

I believe it because on the blue side guys were talking about how a school-girl costumed dancer would bring back memories of their experiences with actual school girls. If that makes their cock hard... well... they are into school girls.

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 10:25 PM
^^
im not trying to argue either. i dont even dress up as a school girl - or anything coz we dont do costumes at my club but i just dont think fantasising about something harms anyone.


I dont think a guy who gets a lapdance off a girl in a school uniform is going to then go and molest a school girl.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 10:27 PM
^^
im not trying to argue either. i dont even dress up as a school girl - or anything coz we dont do costumes at my club but i just dont think fantasising about something harms anyone.


I dont think a guy who gets a lapdance off a girl in a school uniform is going to then go and molest a school girl.


Okay... just for the sake of discussion.

If a guy was into necrophilia.... and wanted to get dances from a chick dressed up like a corpse... would you think it was creepy?

I mean, he won't go out corpse-fucking any time soon... but it's still a weird, nasty, creepy thing to encourage in a strip club.

Lysondra
02-13-2008, 10:29 PM
Thinking and doing are two different things. If thinking things were illegal I would've been arrested LONG ago for murder.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 10:31 PM
Thinking and doing are two different things. If thinking things were illegal I would've been arrested LONG ago for murder.

Right....

but would you think it was creepy...?

Lysondra
02-13-2008, 10:33 PM
Is all you want us to do is think it's creepy or stop wearing schoolgirl clothing? I don't get what you're getting at.

I don't think it's creepy, but I've dealt in a lot worse fetishes for porn and things.

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 10:34 PM
Thinking and doing are two different things. If thinking things were illegal I would've been arrested LONG ago for murder.

Me too. For multiple murders.

Sophia_Starina
02-13-2008, 10:35 PM
Okay... just for the sake of discussion.

If a guy was into necrophilia.... and wanted to get dances from a chick dressed up like a corpse... would you think it was creepy?

I mean, he won't go out corpse-fucking any time soon... but it's still a weird, nasty, creepy thing to encourage in a strip club.

The bottom line is that school-girl seems to be a very widely excepted fetish. I do not quite grasp it. Lord knows I've never been attracted to a school boy or an adult dressed as one.

I figure giving an example of a fetish that is less widely accepted (and is just as illegal as getting it on with an underage chick) will let some of ya'll see things from my perspective. That perspective being "Eeeewww... that's creepy... why would a guy be aroused by _______?"

Anywho, this was fun. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

Keep it real, all of you wonderful, smart-ass, multifaceted ladies.

:-*

sxybrat07
02-13-2008, 10:44 PM
So if I think school girl outfits are hot, does that make me a lesbian AND a pedophile? :O

Flick6
02-13-2008, 10:49 PM
And I've just realised that I am a creep to coz a few years ago I had a mega fantasy about seducing a school boy (a buff manly one of course!) there was something about the tie and shirt and school blazer (i went to a private school) that did it for me. That was when I was in my mid twenties, I never actually even toyed with the idea because in reality school boys kind of smell bad and would probably annoy the crap out of me...

So I guess if it is so creepy then I am a creep too... I dunno though, seems to me that the human brain is a very very complex thing and it is waaaay over simplifying it to say that men who fantasise about school girls are wanting to have sex with 14 yr olds...

jaizaine
02-13-2008, 10:58 PM
^^
haha i wasn't going to admit it first so thanks. I have seen school boys and thought they looked yummy. I'd never go there of course.

Dottie Rebel
02-13-2008, 11:43 PM
Whereas a 50 year old guy groping a 14 year old is. If this is what they imagine... ugh... I don't even want to continue.


Oh my god...I just realized I probably fueled the fires of dozens of zoophiles when I dressed as a kitty cat a couple of years ago...

Shit.

AlexxaHex
02-14-2008, 12:38 AM
I used to "dress up" like a corpse complete with blue lips and sometimes strangulation marks as well as ripped clothes and pretend to be dead during sessions I had with this one guy. It was HOT. Not creepy at all. He was young, and rich and I don't think he went out and actually molested corpses.
He just liked to put toe tags on me, and remove my clothes, position my body in different poses. Rigor mortis is a very difficult thing to recreate.

Darcy Foxx
02-14-2008, 01:14 AM
non work related, but i love dressing up as a school girl and playing the 'innocent' act when i'm fucking a guy. i don't think the guys i'm fucking are pedos, it's just that the whole shirt, tie and plaid skirt looks really cute and the innocence part of it is fun.

when i was doing private parties, my most popular outfit was my bondage school girl. once again, i don't think the guys yelling out how hot i looked were planning on going and raping any 13 year olds.

Kitsune83
02-14-2008, 03:40 AM
Just a thought.....but has anyone thought about this issue in a historical context?

Could it just be hard-wired into the brain? Think about it for just a sec......
Over the last several centuries.....humans paired up YOUNG. It is only in this century that we've started pairing up in what we would consider a sane age in polite society.
It was not uncommon in just the previous century to have one's first child at the age of fourteen or fifteen. This was true of the times before this as well. Essentially, as soon as one was able to procreate; one did. This happened within the institution of marriage and well before it's existence. Granted, lifespans were much shorter due to disease, malnutrition, unsanitary conditions and lack of medical care.
So isn't youth something we just seek out instinctually? Youth was something that was more essential in times past to ensure that you would be able to have the highest number of offspring....youth+beauty=strength and vitality........the younger you are, the longer you can breed (I know, sounds great, doesn't it?). The issue has always been this.....men can procreate until the day their penis can't stand up anymore....women can procreate for a much shorter time....so men have always looked to young women (some might say girls) so they could keep on having children until they keel over. Over the years, society has enlightened somewhat, and luckily we ladies aren't used as breeding stock anymore, but I think that the man's ability to continually produce children may have something to do with the historical obsession with feminine youth.

But it's pretty safe to say that the body types seen in the average strip club are those of women that appear in the very least pubescent (12-14), thus able to breed (to the more primitive parts of the brain.....we're not talking intellectual here....more like the four F's area of the brain). This naked or near naked body appearing before the man isn't that of a child, his primitive brain knows this, on top of that, he's in a strip club, and his logical brain knows that it's a woman before him.....after all, it's 18+ in here. So I'm thinking most of the people we're attracting aren't truly pedophiles. Pedophiles don't generally have any reason to look at women period. nada.zip.zilch. We can't do a damn thing for them, even if we do resemble children, because in their logical mind, they know that we are women.....and they want children.....that's the nature of a paraphilia....they cannot derive any sexual pleasure from any source other than that very specific paraphilia.....so it'd be pretty rare to find an actual pedophile in a strip club.
As for the costumes? I think they're harmless. People like to fantasize about all sorts of things; it can be an extremely healthy outlet.................

Well......please excuse the rambling nature of this post.......it's almost 4am.....and I've got a few vodka tonics in me......off to dream-land

Katrine
02-14-2008, 09:27 AM
Interesting topic, and I havn't had time to read all the responses. My only comment is that if you've ever seen Jenna Haze's performaning, there is nothing childlike about her. She does some great ass-work! Perhaps the guys are fans of that, I am. That is all for now.

xoxoGracexoxo
02-14-2008, 10:35 AM
Okay a guy getting a lap dance from a girl in a school girl uniform and thinking about sexual experiences that he had while in school... with an underage girl...

is sort of like...

Me having sex with my boyfriend and thinking about boys I kissed whilst in grade school....

Does that sound a little creepy? I can assure you that it's never happened since i am not sexually attracted to minors.

Well, you raise an interesting point. We've ALL been attracted to minors...when we were minors. As a teenager, I had some really hot experiences with teenage boys. (And, uh, girls.) I am not supposed to find those experiences hot anymore, because I'm no longer a teenager? If I still think about those experiences and get turned on, am I a pedophile and a pervert?

Another thing to consider, to a lot of customers, we are ALL practically children. Twenty-two and 16 isn't such a big gap when you're 60. And we do our best to accentuate our youth, too -- if we don't already have the youthful waist-to-hip ratio, full lips, big eyes, and glossy hair that signal youth to the lizard-brains of the customers, we do our best to fake it with make-up, extensions, surgery, etc. A schoolgirl uniform is just accenting what's already happening.

Moreover, Jenny's semantic argument holds a lot of water. Much of the reason that the icon of sexy schoolgirl resonates with people is that we're told over and over and over that it's a sexy look. How many actual schoolgirls wear butt-revealing plaid skirts and tied-up white shirts anyway? To me, that look says "stripper" way more than it says "child." I think part of the appeal is the contrast of seeing a womanly woman (however you want to define that) dressed as an icon of youth. It emphasizes both the youth and innocence of the icon and the maturity and sexiness of the adult.

Fawn
02-14-2008, 10:51 AM
So isn't youth something we just seek out instinctually? Youth was something that was more essential in times past to ensure that you would be able to have the highest number of offspring....youth+beauty=strength and vitality........the younger you are, the longer you can breed (I know, sounds great, doesn't it?). The issue has always been this.....men can procreate until the day their penis can't stand up anymore....women can procreate for a much shorter time....so men have always looked to young women (some might say girls) so they could keep on having children until they keel over. Over the years, society has enlightened somewhat, and luckily we ladies aren't used as breeding stock anymore, but I think that the man's ability to continually produce children may have something to do with the historical obsession with feminine youth.

But it's pretty safe to say that the body types seen in the average strip club are those of women that appear in the very least pubescent (12-14), thus able to breed (to the more primitive parts of the brain.....we're not talking intellectual here....more like the four F's area of the brain). This naked or near naked body appearing before the man isn't that of a child, his primitive brain knows this, on top of that, he's in a strip club, and his logical brain knows that it's a woman before him.....after all, it's 18+ in here. So I'm thinking most of the people we're attracting aren't truly pedophiles. Pedophiles don't generally have any reason to look at women period. nada.zip.zilch. We can't do a damn thing for them, even if we do resemble children, because in their logical mind, they know that we are women.....and they want children.....that's the nature of a paraphilia....they cannot derive any sexual pleasure from any source other than that very specific paraphilia.....so it'd be pretty rare to find an actual pedophile in a strip club.
As for the costumes? I think they're harmless. People like to fantasize about all sorts of things; it can be an extremely healthy outlet.................

Well......please excuse the rambling nature of this post.......it's almost 4am.....and I've got a few vodka tonics in me......off to dream-land



Studies show that mothers as young as 14 -around 17 tend to be neglectuful, and unfit mothers in a lot of cases. Can't remember the name of thestudy, it was in my psych book last semester.

Also...pedophiles do infact go into strip clubs, I know, I dated one for several years before finding out he was cheating on me with very young girls he was meeting in church youth groups (yeah, he was telling them he was going to marry them and shit) and he was in his late 20's early 30's last time I heard about him still doing this shit. He used to go to clubs all the time and get dances from this specific, of age, but particularly young looking dancer that wore pigtails all the time and played the role. He almsot went to prison for this, but his family is rich and threw money at the problem.

Also, a lot of pedophiles marry women their own age, but they tend to have bad marriages, and often it's used to cover up their pedophilic feelings.

After being traumatized by my ex... who told me he was 19 when I met him and he was well into his 20's and I was 17... and realizing he was attracted to young girls but not thinking he was actually ucking them, I became obsessed with how old I looked. I was 19 and using retin a and strong eye creams, mixing them together so I could prevent crows feet, cutting my hair in ways that made me look younger, putting crap that prevents lip wrinkles on, and putting sunscreen all over my body every day. I still fear aging. I'm 23 and to me I think I look old as fuck. I thought I did at 19 as well because of this and I look back at pictures of myself then and I look like a child, not even 19. I constantly tell myself that it's all in my head, and that no matter what I do I'm not going to stop getting older unless I die.

But anyway, yes pedophiles do go into strip clubs...

cutey5032
02-14-2008, 11:35 AM
Haven't read the whole thread, but yeah I do think girls who look mad young bank. I used to work with a midget (who was also very skinny), and she once told me how she'd always get men who loved to pretend she was a child, call her "little girl" etc.
Also, the top girl at my last club wasn't anything spectacular in the looks department, but she looked about 15, real tiny too. She would dress up in little-girl panties and a training bra and talk in a little-girl voice. Sometimes she'd even tell guys she was 14, LOL.

Oh and I work with a girl who's 18, fresh outta high school. She regularly goes to the VIP for entire shifts. Never have I felt so old at 23.

Alia_of_the_Knife
02-14-2008, 12:11 PM
Haven't read the whole thread, but yeah I do think girls who look mad young bank. I used to work with a midget (who was also very skinny), and she once told me how she'd always get men who loved to pretend she was a child, call her "little girl" etc.
Also, the top girl at my last club wasn't anything spectacular in the looks department, but she looked about 15, real tiny too. She would dress up in little-girl panties and a training bra and talk in a little-girl voice. Sometimes she'd even tell guys she was 14, LOL.

Oh and I work with a girl who's 18, fresh outta high school. She regularly goes to the VIP for entire shifts. Never have I felt so old at 23.

That's been my experience too. I worked with two girls (was was a heroin addict and the other a coke head ironically) who were both under 5 feet tall, petite, and under the blacklights looked to be in middleschool, or at least no more than freshman in highschool. (Without the blacklights you could see how jacked up their faces were due to drugs. They were both older than me). Both of them could talk in really high pitched, childlike voices, and they banked.

As for me. Depending on what I am wearing and how I dress my hair, I can pass anywhere between the ages of 16-26. (I'm 22.) I can easily make myself look like a highschooler, and I am on the petite side, but I carry myself as someone much older. I guess it's from being an only child and having so many older friends. So it's hard for me to pull off the giggly teen thing due to my mannerisms.

What I found annoying was when I was an actual school girl, going to a private, uniform wearing school and I would have guys who were many times my age hit on me. It was obvious I was dressed that way because I had to and I wasn't just carrying around a heavy backpack in a plaid skirt to pick up guys. Grr..

Yekhefah
02-14-2008, 12:45 PM
For the record, because it looks like this bears repeating again:

PEDOPHILES ARE NOT ATTRACTED TO TEENAGERS. A man who is attracted to teenage girls may be a pervert, and having sex with teenagers may be illegal, but it is NOT pedophilia. A pedophile is attracted to PRE-PUBESCENT children - kids who have not been through puberty yet.

It's a pretty serious word to just throw around without knowing what it means.

velvet
02-14-2008, 02:18 PM
i disagree a pedophile sure is attracted to young teens. 13 is only one year from pre pubesent. in fact there are plenty of them that like the 11-13 age group. lots of girls are menstruating as young as 9 or 10, so now only under 9 is a pedophile? lol.
i certainly consider them pedophiles and so does the law. there isnt a category for "pervert"

so a girl that looks 14ish could certainly attract those guys. what they can get mainstream so to speak.

i dont have a dog in this fight just thought i would throw that out there.

Yekhefah
02-14-2008, 03:31 PM
As far as I know, "pedophile" isn't a legal term; the law uses terms like "sexual exploitation of a minor" or "forced copulation with a minor under 13" (because sexual attraction to children isn't illegal, it's acting upon those urges that violates the law). Pedophilia is a psychiatric condition (and sexual orientation) in which a person is attracted to prepubescent children with no breasts, pubic hair, or other signs of physical maturity.

A guy who lusts after 12 year old girls may be perverted, and if he has sex with them he is a criminal, but he's not a pedophile if they've entered puberty.

Kitsune83
02-14-2008, 03:32 PM
^^Yek- That was one of the points I wanted to make in me previous post. The specific paraphilia of pedophila is the sexual attraction to children, not attraction to pubescent (teens). Pervy as it is, and I'm sure there is a term out there for it, it is not pedophila.

To clear up the issue of very young girls menstruating:
In the medical community, if a 9 year old girl menstruates, she is still a child. Just because she exhibits a sign of pubescence does not mean that she has the ability to bear children, which is the hallmark of pubescence. When such a young child has menstruation, she cannot support pregnancy. Her frame is too small. Her hips are not wide enough for a fetus to develop there, nor is her birth canal large enough to pass an infant. Her bones are too pliable and weak to support the nutrition challenges faced by a pregnant woman, as the baby literally leaches minerals from the bones....a child's bones would suffer fractures, possibly even develop a bowing of the lower legs, similar to rickets. Her breast buds wouldn't be able to provide nutrition for a new baby. Of course all of this is assuming that spontaneous abortion wouldn't occur within the first few weeks of pregnancy, which it likely would. The young girl is not producing sufficient hormone's to have a thick enough endometrium to provide nutrition to the embryo, and later grow a placenta. It's extremely likely that a girl of this age group that is menstruating isn't even releasing eggs; but simply sporadically shedding a bit of the extremely thin lining of endometrium in her uterus. She could not support pregnancy (of course there are always cases that surprise even the most seasoned medical professionals, but these are usually the "rules to live by").....whereas a 12-14 year old probably could (though NOT a good idea, much more feasible). All of these things classify this menstruating 9 year old as a child, not a woman by any means.....it didn't take a medical explanation for anyone to know that I'm sure, but I thought it was an interesting tidbit just the same......
Round of applause for my source please: My dear friend: The great Dr. Beck!!! Just finishing up his OB-GYN residency and feeding me this information as I wrote this little piece.
However, the pedophile would absolutely not consider this menstruating 9 year old a child.....this would shatter his fantasy. He would consider her a woman now, and possibly "impure" (for lack of a better word). Even if 9 year old girls were his cup of tea, his attraction level to her would go to absolute zero when he discovered that she was menstruating.



Studies show that mothers as young as 14 -around 17 tend to be neglectuful, and unfit mothers in a lot of cases. Can't remember the name of thestudy, it was in my psych book last semester.

Fawn-
I'm sure this is quite true. I was speaking in a purely historical context. Not modern at all. I'm sure you're aware that in the past this was very common. For centuries; adolescents were mothers, often with quite older men as the fathers. It's been shown that they were very attentive mothers as well. Probably had something to do with social norms. If there's nothing abnormal about it; one is less likely to feel complacent or depressed about their situation as one might feel today. I would imagine that in modern times a very young mother would much more likely to suffer depression, anxiety, and a barrage of other problems, making them less attentive mothers, even unfit, and harmful to the safety of their children in some cases. It should be noted however that some can excell at motherhood, I've seen it, and I'm sure others on this board have as well. It's just harder, it's a much different kind of life than they expected to have. It's just that modern social norms and customs are much, much different than in times past.

velvet
02-14-2008, 04:08 PM
As far as I know, "pedophile" isn't a legal term; the law uses terms like "sexual exploitation of a minor" or "forced copulation with a minor under 13" (because sexual attraction to children isn't illegal, it's acting upon those urges that violates the law). Pedophilia is a psychiatric condition (and sexual orientation) in which a person is attracted to prepubescent children with no breasts, pubic hair, or other signs of physical maturity.

A guy who lusts after 12 year old girls may be perverted, and if he has sex with them he is a criminal, but he's not a pedophile if they've entered puberty.

point taken!