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Katrine
02-17-2008, 11:06 AM
Ok, strippers might be hypocrites about this issue, but you guys really havn't experienced this uncomfortable situation firsthand. Unless you've been around self-admitted perverts and pedophiles, most men do not discuss these things in politie company.

Now, I'm all about accomodating fantasy, so custies were free to tell me theirs. And something in my guts, my instinct, really couldn't handle a 60 year old man talking about fuckin 16 year old girls. Now, a 21 year old guy talking about his 17 year old girlfriend, was less offensive because they are still within the same generation and may have things in common. Like I said, its not a matter of biological maturity.

There is nothing wrong with finding a healthy looking 16 year old girl attractive. Finding someone attractive does not mean you want to fuck them or have to try, right? Otherwise the human race would die out of STD. But these men take it to the next level, and I trust my instincts to tell me that there is something wrong with that. That type of attraction is about control and manipulation, not about biological attraction.

Again, this doesn't have much to do with schoolgirl outfit. If you see real school uniforms, they don't tend to barely cover the ass and have a fishnet blouse. Its just an icon of fantasy fashion. So is the devil costume and the french maid.

mr_punk
02-17-2008, 11:45 AM
I think 17 seems like an oddly young age though. I mean girls are still going through puberty at that age. I think if we're just discussing bodies, I think somewhere in the vicinity of 22 sounds about right for both sexes.well, it was the lower end of an age range. in fact, my own was 18-21. some girls peak early and keep growing and growing in girth, while others hit their peak later.

Except for aren't most of those girls like 13 years old?not necessarily. perhaps, you're thinking about very elite competitions like the Olympics or world championships. although, some "senior citizens" in the sport have won medals at these world class events. contrary to popular belief, women can still compete in gymnastics beyond the retirement age of 17, but generally not at the world class level. which is about the only good thing about NCAA Title IX.

Well... okay. I mean those women who walk around in boxing movies with the round signs (since I would never actually watch actual boxing) seem stupid to me too.funny story. some years ago, i went to an amateur boxing match (which had ring girls) of this guy who goes to my gym. anyway, i run into this other guy who goes to the same gym and we talked while watching the fight. the round ends and the ring girl comes out dressed in the usual skimpy bikini. i glanced, performed a double-take, stopped talking and literally gasped for breath because she had an incredible ass. i mean, it looked like it was carved from italian marble by a master artist. in the meantime, this guy is still talking while i'm perving and raving over this ring girl's ass.

me: holey moley! did you even see that girl's ass? it was driving me nuts.
him: <shrug> yeah, that's my girlfriend.
me: LOL. oh shit, really? sorry, i didn't know.
him: <shrug> eh.
me: you know, she looks familiar.
him: she should. you've probably seen her at the gym.
me: hmmm..oh yeah, that's it. funny, i didn't notice at first.


Now, I'm all about accomodating fantasy, so custies were free to tell me theirs. And something in my guts, my instinct, really couldn't handle a 60 year old man talking about fuckin 16 year old girls.sure. it would make anyone (except an actual pedophile) toss their cookies.

xdamage
02-17-2008, 12:21 PM
Ok, strippers might be hypocrites about this issue, but you guys really havn't experienced this uncomfortable situation firsthand. Unless you've been around self-admitted perverts and pedophiles, most men do not discuss these things in politie company.


Presumably the majority of customers would never actually fuck a minor, but if they fantasize about it then what?

My guess is that if any self-admitted pervert or pedophile posted here on blue, they would be raked over the coals for it.

There is hypocrisy at play here though, and while we don't have any self-admitted perverts or pedophiles posting at the moment, we do have posters who are verging on being hypocrites by capitalizing on it. They are just being called on it because they happen to be here while the self-admitted perverts are not.

I'm one of those people that believes that the dividing line between fantasy and reality works like this:

As long as we don't actually do something, it remains a fantasy. But, the drives that give rise to the fantasy in the first place reflect something about our human nature. Our intellect may put a stop to actually acting it out, and our intellect puts the desire in context, but the underlying drives are really not so different then those who do act it out.

yoda57us
02-17-2008, 12:51 PM
Presumably the majority of customers would never actually fuck a minor, but if they fantasize about it then what?

My guess is that if any self-admitted pervert or pedophile posted here on blue, they would be raked over the coals for it.


It may never happen here but it did happen on TER a while back. A guy showed up insisting that if he wants to fuck a minor (not for pay mind you, just in general) it should be OK. His POV was that we all want to do it we just don't have the balls to admit it, that society's laws are the only thing stopping us and that anyone who disagreed with him was a hypocrite.

He was summarily ripped from stem to stern but held on to his mantra for dear life that we were all hypocrites for not owning up to wanting the same thing that he was admitting to wanting.

Not sure if he got banned or just gave up and went away but he was never heard from again. Trolls exist on all boards....

I can't remember exactly how old I was when I lost my attraction for teenage girls (looking and admiring, not pursuing) but I agree with Kat that part of it very much a generational thing. I don't think it's weird at all for a twenty or even early thirty something guy to lust after a younger woman. When I was clubbing in my 20's, 30's and early 40's I leaned towards early to mid 20's gals. For the last ten years or so it's been strictly thirty-somethings. Occasionally I find my self mysteriously attracted to a "younger" dancer only to find out later that she was lying about her age...

hockeybobby
02-17-2008, 01:50 PM
A little story to relate: I was at a Toronto Raptors basketball game with a bunch of buddies. We were up pretty high from the floor, in the private box area. We all watched transfixed when the dance girls came on the floor and did their routines and enjoyed their little shows. When we left the game, and walking along Bay St, 3 of the girls were walking just in front of us toting their little travel suitcases and chatting. Up close we could see they were all about 18 to 22 in age roughly...their chatter was total teenage-speak. It was a complete turnoff. We all looked at each other with these "holy crap" looks on our faces.

Another one: I met a Toronto Argos cheerleader at the bar where I play hockey. She was the best friend of the daughter of one of my teammates. She was 19, and a teenager in all respects.

These two experiences changed the way I think about the girls who are cheerleaders. I admire their sexy dancing and the work they put into it, and it's a great little time filler at games, but I don't fantasize about fucking them.

hb

xdamage
02-17-2008, 02:57 PM
It may never happen here but it did happen on TER a while back. A guy showed up insisting that if he wants to fuck a minor (not for pay mind you, just in general) it should be OK. His POV was that we all want to do it we just don't have the balls to admit it, that society's laws are the only thing stopping us and that anyone who disagreed with him was a hypocrite.

He was summarily ripped from stem to stern but held on to his mantra for dear life that we were all hypocrites for not owning up to wanting the same thing that he was admitting to wanting.

There are some very good reasons why a 40 something should not be having sex with a 15 year old, so it goes beyond just some social stigma. The social laws and stigma's exist because there is good reason, not the other way around.

I would definitely be one of those raking the coals if an older guy was in here bragging about having sex with a minor.

yoda57us
02-17-2008, 03:34 PM
There are some very good reasons why a 40 something should not be having sex with a 15 year old, so it goes beyond just some social stigma. The social laws and stigma's exist because there is good reason, not the other way around.

I would definitely be one of those raking the coals if an older guy was in here bragging about having sex with a minor.

Well, to be clear, the guy on TER wasn't claiming that he did it, just that it should be OK for him to do it.

I happen to be just fine with the laws and generally accepted customs just the way they are so please don't anyone assume that I am condoning anything illegal or immoral when I say this but, we also need to remember that the age of consent and what is accepted by society is very different in different parts of the world. Our laws DO exist to a certain degree based on what we in this country feel is moral. For better or worse, things are not the same everywhere.

xdamage
02-17-2008, 06:18 PM
I happen to be just fine with the laws and generally accepted customs just the way they are so please don't anyone assume that I am condoning anything illegal or immoral when I say this but, we also need to remember that the age of consent and what is accepted by society is very different in different parts of the world. Our laws DO exist to a certain degree based on what we in this country feel is moral. For better or worse, things are not the same everywhere.

Yes, and that is also fact. Like I wrote earlier, coming from a Bar Mitzvah reminded people have, and still do in some parts of the world, view 13ish as an adult age.

Still, I wonder if even in those cultures if they find the notion of an older man, say 40ish, having sex with a 13-14ish adult woman (adult by their standards) to be twisted? I really don't know, but would gamble that the society would still see that such a large age difference is abnormal.

yoda57us
02-17-2008, 06:56 PM
Still, I wonder if even in those cultures if they find the notion of an older man, say 40ish, having sex with a 13-14ish adult woman (adult by their standards) to be twisted? I really don't know, but would gamble that the society would still see that such a large age difference is abnormal.

I would tend to agree. I don't know nearly enough about this topic to speak with any authority but there are a couple of observations I have made over the years after talking with dancers from other parts of the world.

First of all, it's not scandalous at all for a woman to be married and bearing children in some parts of the world by the time she is sixteen or so. Is the husband/father in his 40's? Maybe, maybe not but the other observation is that these women are more commonly with a mate that is significantly older than we are used to seeing in the US. Now, at one time in history these marriages may well have been arranged by the girl's parents. I actually know a Brazilian gal who was promised to a guy in his late 30's when she was fifteen. She is in her 30's now and basically ran away with her first boyfriend to avoid the arranged marriage many years ago. What is interesting is that I know at least three dancers or former dancers from South America in their mid 30's who have BF's or husbands in their 50's.

This is all a long way from grown men having sex with young girls but it makes one wonder what was acceptable behavior a few generations ago in some parts of the world...

Jenny
02-17-2008, 07:04 PM
You have to keep in mind the role of the commodification of the child's and the female body plays in that Yoda. In many places an "arranged marriage" is essentially just a way of alienating your children-as-property. So that kind of relates, in some cases, sheerly to the growing awareness that children are not appropriate things to be bought and sold.

I read Pride and Prejudice last night. Please excuse me.

yoda57us
02-17-2008, 07:30 PM
You have to keep in mind the role of the commodification of the child's and the female body plays in that Yoda. In many places an "arranged marriage" is essentially just a way of alienating your children-as-property. So that kind of relates, in some cases, sheerly to the growing awareness that children are not appropriate things to be bought and sold.

I read Pride and Prejudice last night. Please excuse me.

I agree Jenny. I think that awareness is an essential part of the shifting attitudes away from this sort of thing being acceptable.

mr_punk
02-17-2008, 08:23 PM
Still, I wonder if even in those cultures if they find the notion of an older man, say 40ish, having sex with a 13-14ish adult woman (adult by their standards) to be twisted? I really don't know, but would gamble that the society would still see that such a large age difference is abnormal.or perhaps not.

http://sex.innerpendejo.net/2008/01/burusera-namasera-and-kagaseya.html
http://www.nerve.com/Dispatches/Nagasawa/terekura/
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070503f1.html

xdamage
02-18-2008, 07:45 AM
I think that awareness is an essential part of the shifting attitudes away from this sort of thing being acceptable.

I'd like to think so too, but we have the benefits of growing up in a wealthy culture, with technology never known until the last century, with many liberal attitudes dreamed up and fought for by many other's before us. Lucky us. But if we grew up in a harsher world, without those benefits, we may well be having our children younger, even see marrying our children to a wealthier older man as good fortune.

Lapaholic
02-18-2008, 09:05 AM
^^^ Or in North Carolina - 14 0r 15, u can get married but u need a court approval. I mean how old was Lerry Lee Lewis's first wife - 13!!!... Yeah so it hasnt changed that much with technology....

Jenny
02-18-2008, 11:48 AM
or perhaps not.

http://sex.innerpendejo.net/2008/01/burusera-namasera-and-kagaseya.html
http://www.nerve.com/Dispatches/Nagasawa/terekura/
http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20070503f1.htmlI suspect this speaks more to the issue of pedophilia and child pornography than the idea of adolescent=adult. I mean, the examples you provide aren't all "these are women, in every sense of the word"; quite the contrary they are all "check out the jailbait; let's fetishize the young stuff; let's focus on the fact that they are NOT adults". They are fetishizing the age difference and the abnormality of it, not downplaying the importance of it.

Jenny
02-18-2008, 11:53 AM
^^^ Or in North Carolina - 14 0r 15, u can get married but u need a court approval. I mean how old was Lerry Lee Lewis's first wife - 13!!!... Yeah so it hasnt changed that much with technology....
There are some fairly shocking rules here on marriage; it was imported from very old BCL in which arranged marriages between children were normal; interesting contextualization though; the fact that it was not unusual for children to marry or marry adults, didn't necessarily mean that they were having sex.

xdamage
02-18-2008, 03:52 PM
My visits to Japan have left be disturbed. The Japanese are like alien creatures to me at times.

hockeybobby
02-18-2008, 04:48 PM
My visits to Japan have left be disturbed. The Japanese are like alien creatures to me at times.

They make very good cars though :)

Not to condemn a whole nation, but I've been like :O about some of the stuff that happens there too. Mr p's links are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to sexual objectification of young girls.

hb

xdamage
02-18-2008, 04:56 PM
They make very good cars though :)

Not to condemn a whole nation, but I've been like :O about some of the stuff that happens there too. Mr p's links are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to sexual objectification of young girls.

hb

Well, flipping through the channels late at night, I saw some very disturbing things, like "barf" sex -- you don't want to know... I stopped watching TV when I go to Japan.

mr_punk
02-18-2008, 07:39 PM
I suspect this speaks more to the issue of pedophilia and child pornography than the idea of adolescent=adult.well, i'm not saying adolescent=adult or it's child pornography. however, i am saying the idea of a 40 y.o. man having sex or perving on a 14 y.o. may not be such a heinous and repulsive notion to another culture. FWIW, japan banned child porn in the late 90's. interestingly, it was partly in reaction due to international pressure rather that an internal societal outrage.

I mean, the examples you provide aren't all "these are women, in every sense of the word"; quite the contrary they are all "check out the jailbait; let's fetishize the young stuff; let's focus on the fact that they are NOT adults". They are fetishizing the age difference and the abnormality of it, not downplaying the importance of it.true, but an abnormality? youth and cuteness (ie: 13 y.o. in school girl uniforms) is an popular and normal aspect of their culture as keeping tabs on the Britney Spears saga is to ours.

My visits to Japan have left be disturbed. The Japanese are like alien creatures to me at times.culture shock. it's a bitch.

lestat1
02-18-2008, 10:16 PM
^^^ I believe Japan also has the lowest rate of sexual assault in the developed world. I've read they have "sexual harassment" cafes where one is encouraged to slap the waitress' ass, and so forth. They also have, IMHO, some very sexually violent media (what's with the tentacled-monsters attacking girls all the time, seriously?). I don't know if a study has ever been done on it, but I wonder if finding a "healthy" (note the quotes) outlet for whatever it is that is the source of said crimes is related to the reduced rate. It could be a different aspect to their culture entirely though.

This sounds familiar. Did we discuss this aspect to Japan in another thread?

Bob_Loblaw
02-18-2008, 10:21 PM
They also have, IMHO, some very sexually violent media (what's with the tentacled-monsters attacking girls all the time, seriously?).

I think it has to do with their censorship laws which forbid the showing of penetration between a man and woman. How do they get around it? They use monsters. No kidding.

lestat1
02-18-2008, 10:24 PM
I think it has to do with their censorship laws which forbid the showing of penetration between a man and woman. How do they get around it? They use monsters. No kidding.

That would explain the bukkake and the other many common elements to Japaneese porn that avoid penetration in favor of other activities.

hockeybobby
02-18-2008, 10:27 PM
That would explain the bukkake and the other many common elements to Japaneese porn that avoid penetration in favor of other activities.

Ok...and what is with that bukkake shit too? Man that is just fucked up.
hb

lestat1
02-18-2008, 10:29 PM
Ok...and what is with that bukkake shit too? Man that is just fucked up.
hb
Actually that one works for me, but then I'm fucked up. }:D

hockeybobby
02-18-2008, 10:36 PM
Actually that one works for me, but then I'm fucked up. }:D

Oh...did I say bukkake? I meant to say sake. sorry


........backs slowly away from the computer.......





hehe Lestat, yer a beaut.

Bob_Loblaw
02-18-2008, 10:48 PM
........backs slowly away from the computer.......
You should probably be backing away from 'stat... you know... to avoid the cross fire

lestat1
02-18-2008, 11:19 PM
You should probably be backing away from 'stat... you know... to avoid the cross fire

LOL! :D

Jenny
02-19-2008, 07:23 AM
true, but an abnormality? youth and cuteness (ie: 13 y.o. in school girl uniforms) is an popular and normal aspect of their culture as keeping tabs on the Britney Spears saga is to ours. Britney who?
I see what you are saying, but what I meant was that the deviance was fetishized; the entire point is that she is too young for him, not that it was perfectly normal. I mean, I get the irony that you think the deviance is perfectly normal, but I don't think it is how the encounter is being negotiated.

SeppeSai
02-21-2008, 07:07 AM
I prefer the office-worker type of uniform, so the schoolgirl look doesn't do a whole lot for me. I do like pigtails, though, especially on brunettes. :D

My other "costume" thing is when the ATF wears my Tom Brady jersey for me. The single picture I have of her with it on is beyond priceless.

VegasPrincess
02-21-2008, 08:45 AM
i like this look. I am 25 but look A LOT younger, and always have. Honestly, when I started dancing at age 18 I made A LOT of money off guys who liked the under-age look. Its just a fantasy, and nothing wrong with acting it out with me, and adult of legal age!

xdamage
02-21-2008, 08:53 AM
i like this look. I am 25 but look A LOT younger, and always have. Honestly, when I started dancing at age 18 I made A LOT of money off guys who liked the under-age look. Its just a fantasy, and nothing wrong with acting it out with me, and adult of legal age!

I'm fine with that. No harm done. My only objections are with:

1) Guys who really don't know the difference between fantasy and reality, and try to do something for real with real under aged people.

2) Dancers who make money off guys who are attracted to younger looking women, while simultaneously judging their customers for being "pervs". The hypocrisy should be identified for what it is in this case.

Katrine
02-21-2008, 10:36 AM
Sorry 'stat, but I think guys who like bukkake are secretly gay. Waaaaay too much dick and jizz to justify a heterosexual fantasy.

yoda57us
02-21-2008, 10:43 AM
Sorry 'stat, but I think guys who like bukkake are secretly gay. Waaaaay too much dick and jizz to justify a heterosexual fantasy.

LOL, I like a good COF shot as much as the next guy but all-out bukkake is not sexy at all...just plain gross. Ten guys standing around with their dicks in their hands jerking off? I'll pass....

Katrine
02-21-2008, 10:54 AM
LOL, I like a good COF shot as much as the next guy .

Good news, I've finally started getting comfortable with loads on my face as long as its directed towards my mouth. Never wanted to do it before. Now its cool. Yay! I can haz open mind?

Casual Observer
02-21-2008, 06:28 PM
I like a good COF shot as much as the next guy but all-out bukkake is not sexy at all...just plain gross. Ten guys standing around with their dicks in their hands jerking off? I'll pass....

Agreed on both points.

lestat1
02-21-2008, 06:35 PM
Sorry 'stat, but I think guys who like bukkake are secretly gay. Waaaaay too much dick and jizz to justify a heterosexual fantasy.

So no on gangbangs too, or do you draw the line at DP? :P

Katrine
02-21-2008, 08:52 PM
So no on gangbangs too, or do you draw the line at DP? :P

I like those..a lot...they are interactive. Bukkake is just homo. Not that there's anything wrong with wanting to see 100 wangs jizzing in unison. But is that really hot? At all? In any way? I don't get it. Its not even fun degredation, its boring.

xdamage
02-21-2008, 09:17 PM
...But is that really hot? At all? In any way? I don't get it. Its not even fun degredation, its boring.

I guess the thrill is that it's just degradation, period. For someone that finds degrading a woman a turn on, presumably more is better???

p.s., I've seen worse on Japanese TV... barfing on women's faces. Like I said, no more Japanese TV for me.

Lapaholic
02-21-2008, 09:48 PM
^^^ OK X, i have one word for u, Ninja Warrior... ok thats 2 words and a funny japanese TV show... no barfing either.... they may even have a female contestant in a school girl outfit...

lestat1
02-21-2008, 10:08 PM
I like those..a lot...they are interactive. Bukkake is just homo. Not that there's anything wrong with wanting to see 100 wangs jizzing in unison. But is that really hot? At all? In any way? I don't get it. Its not even fun degredation, its boring.

Oh. You're talking the true Japaneese style bukkake that's not even sex, just jerk 'n squirt on a girl sitting on a sheet of plastic. I was thinking more the American-style 5-man gangbang with multiple facials. }:D

Bob_Loblaw
02-21-2008, 10:36 PM
Bukkake is just homo. Not that there's anything wrong with wanting to see 100 wangs jizzing in unison.
Must... not... get... mental picture.
Must.. think... of... guy... stuff.
Monster trucks... football... steak... meat... wangs...
Dammit!!!

http://ninjamicros.com/forums/images/smilies/thinking.gif

SportsWriter2
02-22-2008, 08:53 AM
Good news, I've finally started getting comfortable with loads on my face as long as its directed towards my mouth. Never wanted to do it before. Now its cool.
Kat, you are soooo particular. Just don't tell me you close your eyes. :-\

yoda57us
02-22-2008, 05:49 PM
Kat, you are soooo particular. Just don't tell me you close your eyes. :-\

She better if the guy has bad aim....Aside from stinging like crazy, jizz in the eye can make it's way into a woman's blood stream thus open her up to any and all std's. Swallowing, buy the way, can be just as unsafe.

Sporty, Didn't any of your nursing school honeys tell you about this?

SportsWriter2
02-22-2008, 06:32 PM
Aside from stinging like crazy, jizz in the eye can make it's way into a woman's blood stream thus open her up to any and all std's. Swallowing, buy the way, can be just as unsafe.

Sporty, Didn't any of your nursing school honeys tell you about this?
Mucuous membranes in the eye, fissures in the mouth, lymph node in the uvula... Yeah, they have it down. However, as you may remember, Kat and Mr. Downwithwaiting had STD tests first. Good for them. :)

As for stinging, it varies. Just keep a cup of warm water nearby to rinse out the eye in case of an accident.

LoveComesFromWithin
02-22-2008, 08:38 PM
HB, you forgot that Punk would be using a bag of loonies though


I appreciate the risks you take

thank you

JoeUnCool
02-23-2008, 07:17 AM
There's a discussion happening on the Pink side in Stripping General about the schoolgirl/teen costume and hustle. Here is the Link (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=108299).

None of the guys have expressed an opinion on the thread, perhaps wisely, because the word pedophile has been tossed around a bit. But I find a schoolgirl outfit and pigtails on a woman to be a sexy getup, and honestly, I've never heard a guy say it was a turn off. I like cheerleader outfits too, hell, most anything really.

Do any of you guys like that type of outfit/getup, or not. And do you think it's creepy to like that?
Girls feel free to post your comments too...

Yes, the schoolgirl outfit is way to creepy for me. To make it worse, I saw a goth girl in a school girl outfit a few weeks ago. The gothic schoolgirl images sends shivers down my spin right now. In fact, I may need to rip my eyes out of my sockets to purge myself of the memory.

Mr. Uncool

Katrine
02-23-2008, 02:52 PM
However, as you may remember, Kat and Mr. Downwithwaiting had STD tests first. Good for them. .

Uuuuh yeah, we found an open STD clinic on a saturday night that gave instant results. ::) We're scheduled.

yoda57us
02-23-2008, 04:21 PM
Good news, I've finally started getting comfortable with loads on my face as long as its directed towards my mouth. Never wanted to do it before. Now its cool. Yay! I can haz open mind?

Just Great Kat! How am I gonna get rid of this visual I have of you in a short plaid skirt on your knees as the star of a POV facial scene????!!!! Ah well, another night that I won't be needing my VOD minutes...}:D

SeppeSai
02-23-2008, 06:31 PM
She better if the guy has bad aim....Aside from stinging like crazy, jizz in the eye can make it's way into a woman's blood stream thus open her up to any and all std's. Swallowing, buy the way, can be just as unsafe.

Sporty, Didn't any of your nursing school honeys tell you about this?

She could always wear glasses. I've seen some of the girls in a few Naughty America vids do that when he unloads for the big finish.