View Full Version : Stripperweb members vs. dancers in general
Yes, the conversation has been civil, however, when you take into account what I have seen happen in my past, i now tend to lean in the direction of telling everyone to play nice.
I am sooooo uncool
Joe, you are fine, really. I just wanted to let you know those types of calls are our crosses to bear. We are highly trained and Pryce pays us a lot of money.
FBR
TheSexKitten
02-28-2008, 06:23 PM
I'm not going to touch the drama in here, but am I the only stripper who admits her real age/hobbies/good habits/etc?
Being vague and directionless never made me any more money than being smart and down-to-earth...
Fairbay
02-28-2008, 06:59 PM
Being vague and directionless never made me any more money than being smart and down-to-earth...
Maybe I'm retarded, but, huh?
I'm not going to touch the drama in here, but am I the only stripper who admits her real age/hobbies/good habits/etc?
Being vague and directionless never made me any more money than being smart and down-to-earth...
Interesting point SK. Personally, I prefer a dancer embracing your approach. But clearly, it is arguable that I discern if you are being thruthful or just laying on the SS. And beyond that, based upon opinions offered in this thread, is it presumptuous and condescending if I try to make that judgment?
FBR
cherry_sin
02-28-2008, 08:12 PM
Jenny, I am intrigued by your responses and those of the ladies who are agreeing with you. I am not sure if you are challenging a custy's ability to discern a dancer's intelligence or his right to do so.
FBR
I can't speak for the other girls, but for me, it's both.
I don't think the average customer puts as much time into going to the SC as I do working at one. I'm pretty aggressively certain that I have more experience with my false persona than any customer that will run across me. I have it down pat. To an art, even. I could be Cherry Sin in my sleep. And Cherry Sin is never smarter than the man she sits with, never makes more money, never lives better, never has her life more in order, or has as much amazingness as her customer. She's never more sober than her customers, either. She has more random hookups, but that's cause she's not as high of morals as her customer.
Nine out of ten guys don't want to know how smart I am. They don't care that I can discuss solar sails or use words with more than three syllables. And I'm smart enough to know that working those nine out of ten is better than looking for that one of ten that would appreciate it.
So, simply, no, I don't think customers can discern my intelligence. I'm Cherry for almost 40 hours a week, for years now. I can do her pretty well - certainly enough to pass for a few hours at a time with the gentlemen I sit with. If custies could see through me as easily as they ALL seem to think, I'd be the brokest stripper ever.
I also don't agree with a customer's right to "decide" who's smart and who isn't - for the same reasons as above. I doubt he could tell. The girls he badmouths as being "less intelligent" may well be smarter than he is - and he'd never know.
I realize I'm making broad, sweeping strokes over lots of gentlemen. And I know it isn't true for all patrons. But it's true for most - and the OP strikes me as falling into the "most" category. Call me weird, but I've been doing this a long time. My stripper sense is tingling. :D
Everyman
02-28-2008, 08:13 PM
Now see, isn't this thread and discussion turning out pretty well? I like more substantive discussions, better than another "what color outfit" thread. And I really don't mind being called a condescending prick along the way, as long as not EVERYONE feels that way, and the conversation keeps flowing regardless.
jester214
02-28-2008, 09:16 PM
Interesting point SK. Personally, I prefer a dancer embracing your approach. But clearly, it is arguable that I discern if you are being thruthful or just laying on the SS. And beyond that, based upon opinions offered in this thread, is it presumptuous and condescending if I try to make that judgment?
FBR
Apparently neither of those...
I'm sure you wonderful ladies never judge the intelligence of anyone you meet in real life... Since you apparently have to have certain qualifications to do that... I wish I could be so unjudgemental
twisterinAZ
02-28-2008, 09:45 PM
To address the issue of thieves and drug use , who (besides Sofiemarie) would be dumb enough to openly out themselves on a public forum as a coked-out dressing room thief ?
jaizaine
02-29-2008, 12:54 AM
I'm not going to touch the drama in here, but am I the only stripper who admits her real age/hobbies/good habits/etc?
Being vague and directionless never made me any more money than being smart and down-to-earth...
I'm with you on this. Plus it's too hard to hide an education and intelligence IMO. Plus I just couldn't put on that dumb act without laughing.
Customers always comment on how articulate and intelligent I am. You do not have to be too intelligent to be able to notice that the person who you are speaking to is.
JoeUnCool
02-29-2008, 07:26 AM
Joe, you are fine, really. I just wanted to let you know those types of calls are our crosses to bear. We are highly trained and Pryce pays us a lot of money.
FBR
You would be the first moderators I have ever heard of that have gotten paid.
JoeUnCool
02-29-2008, 07:40 AM
I'm with you on this. Plus it's too hard to hide an education and intelligence IMO. Plus I just couldn't put on that dumb act without laughing.
Customers always comment on how articulate and intelligent I am. You do not have to be too intelligent to be able to notice that the person who you are speaking to is.
This is an interesting concept. Telling the truth. Being honest. I have chastised several of my fellow patrons for not treating girls with respect. The comeback I have always heard is "Well, they're lying to us so this just makes it fair." I've always responded with something along the lines of "How do you know? Do you have any facts or do you just have hearsay?"
With last night's honest talk I had with #5, I might be turning a corner on this concept.
xoxoGracexoxo
02-29-2008, 07:49 AM
I'm sure you wonderful ladies never judge the intelligence of anyone you meet in real life... Since you apparently have to have certain qualifications to do that... I wish I could be so unjudgemental
Sure we do. But we keep it to ourselves. Because going around telling people your judgements of them, unsolicited, is often considered rude. And we are never rude. ;)
Jenny
02-29-2008, 07:57 AM
And beyond that, based upon opinions offered in this thread, is it presumptuous and condescending if I try to make that judgment?
FBR
FBR - it is condescending if you are walking in and treating dancers as a class as people who you - as a male customer - can just pinpoint the intelligence of. Most of my customers have the idea that I'm "smart"; of course, they relate this to how smart they are. Very few, for example, have the idea that I'm smarter than them. Education is the same. Those with no degree are surprised that I have one; those with two are surprised that I'm working on a second, etc.
Moreover - I do not think any customer is in a position to determine the extent of my intelligence. Why should they be? I'm there to amuse them; not challenge them intellectually (and trust me - strip club customers don't tend to like intellectual challenge; they like us to "surprisingly intelligent" - as long as we are safely less intelligent than them. Actually, that's not fair. Some do). What customers mean when they say I'm intelligent is that I'm well spoken (which is, indeed, hard to hide) and that I'm amusing. That I have the capability to amuse them. And again - that is fine - I have no objection to the idea that I'm there to amuse customers. That is what I'm paid for, I do not expect the customers to want to engage my intelligence or pay me for being smart (after all - hardly a service to them, is it?) But I do not take too kindly to the conflation of my intelligence with my capacity to be amusing to stripclub customers. I find THAT condescending.
Everyman - how do you or your friends figure the fact that I'm telling stripclub lies (e.g. my name) entitles someone to treat me with disrespect? I find that to be... unconnected.
Everyman
02-29-2008, 08:49 AM
FBR - it is condescending if you are walking in and treating dancers as a class as people who you - as a male customer - can just pinpoint the intelligence of. Most of my customers have the idea that I'm "smart"; of course, they relate this to how smart they are. Very few, for example, have the idea that I'm smarter than them. Education is the same. Those with no degree are surprised that I have one; those with two are surprised that I'm working on a second, etc.
Moreover - I do not think any customer is in a position to determine the extent of my intelligence. Why should they be? I'm there to amuse them; not challenge them intellectually (and trust me - strip club customers don't tend to like intellectual challenge; they like us to "surprisingly intelligent" - as long as we are safely less intelligent than them. Actually, that's not fair. Some do). What customers mean when they say I'm intelligent is that I'm well spoken (which is, indeed, hard to hide) and that I'm amusing. That I have the capability to amuse them. And again - that is fine - I have no objection to the idea that I'm there to amuse customers. That is what I'm paid for, I do not expect the customers to want to engage my intelligence or pay me for being smart (after all - hardly a service to them, is it?) But I do not take too kindly to the conflation of my intelligence with my capacity to be amusing to stripclub customers. I find THAT condescending.
Everyman - how do you or your friends figure the fact that I'm telling stripclub lies (e.g. my name) entitles someone to treat me with disrespect? I find that to be... unconnected.
Your last paragraph confuses me. I haven't talked about lies, or names, or my friends. Perhaps you are thinking of JoeUnCool's post.
As to something else you mention, certainly how well-spoken someone is, what amuses them, what they're able to converse about, what they know about the world in general....all indicators.
JoeUnCool
02-29-2008, 09:11 AM
Sure we do. But we keep it to ourselves. Because going around telling people your judgements of them, unsolicited, is often considered rude. And we are never rude. ;)
Interesting. I had an interesting potential drama scene last week at a club. its a long story, but about 20 minutes into our civilized discussion, I told her that I was very impressed with her argument and her ability to express herself. Given the drama that I have been dragged through in the past, it was refreshing. I tried to find the friend last night, however, she wasn't there, so I told #5 about how impressed I was with her friend. I then proceeded to have a 3 hour off and on conversation with #5. Unfortunately, #5 let me do all the talking. When she did chime in, it was very impressive. She got my reference to Logan's Run which was a complete shock.
I didn't realize I had done soemthing wrong. What should I do next time?
Joe Uncool
Katrine
02-29-2008, 10:10 AM
The best stripper persona is a nuance rather than a caricature.
For example, the real Kat was 28, extensively educated, and had a boyfriend. The Persona Kat was 24, finishing up a bach. business degree a diff. university, had come to the US at age 12, and was dating around.
Now THAT SS is believable, and allows the custy to feel somewhat superiour without thinking he's talking to a moron.
xoxoGracexoxo
02-29-2008, 10:43 AM
I told her that I was very impressed with her argument and her ability to express herself.
I didn't realize I had done soemthing wrong. What should I do next time?
Oh, hell. You didn't do anything horrible. But you know how mockable it is when people make a point of how "articulate" Colin Powell is? They're trying to give a compliment, but it ends up being kind of an insult. Like, it's surprising that a black man can speak well -- surprising enough to deserve comment.
Same principle. When a guy tells me "you're very smart" the implicit question in my mind is "compared to what?" Compared to your idea of how smart most strippers are, when many if not most strippers are playing dumb to begin with?
Incidentally, I'm not conjugating Latin verbs or anything when customers say this. A certain kind of customer is just impressed if I can repeat back to him what he just said. The customers with whom I have actual intelligent conversations are intelligent enough not to chuck my chin for being "intelligent."
Anyway. It's not like I die inside when customers pat me on the head and tell me I'm a bright little thing. It's my opinion of him that is affected, not my opinion of myself.
jester214
02-29-2008, 10:48 AM
Oh, hell. You didn't do anything horrible. But you know how mockable it is when people make a point of how "articulate" Colin Powell is? They're trying to give a compliment, but it ends up being kind of an insult. Like, it's surprising that a black man can speak well -- surprising enough to deserve comment.
Same principle. When a guy tells me "you're very smart" the implicit question in my mind is "compared to what?" Compared to your idea of how smart most strippers are, when many if not most strippers are playing dumb to begin with?
Incidentally, I'm not conjugating Latin verbs or anything when customers say this. A certain kind of customer is just impressed if I can repeat back to him what he just said. The customers with whom I have actual intelligent conversations are intelligent enough not to chuck my chin for being "intelligent."
Anyway. It's not like I die inside when customers pat me on the head and tell me I'm a bright little thing. It's my opinion of him that is affected, not my opinion of myself.
You're practically saying you can't give people a compliment...
JoeUnCool
02-29-2008, 11:15 AM
Oh, hell. You didn't do anything horrible. But you know how mockable it is when people make a point of how "articulate" Colin Powell is? They're trying to give a compliment, but it ends up being kind of an insult. Like, it's surprising that a black man can speak well -- surprising enough to deserve comment.
Same principle. When a guy tells me "you're very smart" the implicit question in my mind is "compared to what?" Compared to your idea of how smart most strippers are, when many if not most strippers are playing dumb to begin with?
Incidentally, I'm not conjugating Latin verbs or anything when customers say this. A certain kind of customer is just impressed if I can repeat back to him what he just said. The customers with whom I have actual intelligent conversations are intelligent enough not to chuck my chin for being "intelligent."
Anyway. It's not like I die inside when customers pat me on the head and tell me I'm a bright little thing. It's my opinion of him that is affected, not my opinion of myself.
Might I help you with the chip on your shoulder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_on_shoulder)? The alternative is to say nothing. Personally, i refuse to worry about someone's feelings in that way. if they are intelligent and impress me, I will compliment them on that. Too many people in this world (dancers included) will fight at the drop of a hat, any hat. When someone can have an intelligent conversation, be articulate in their views, and not take some crazy position, I can't help but compliment that. The ability to do this in the world is rare and should be rewarded.
In my day job, I compliment people for just doing their job. Why? Because there are so many people that do NOT do their job. People like compliments. From GenWar's rules:
7. Tips are the oil of the strip club. Apply liberally, yet intelligently. (Everyone knows this right? Everyone follows it right? Wrong. Many many customers don’t get this and many more choose to not participate. It never ceases to amaze me how much you get in the way of concessions for a simple $10 tip.)
I have found compliments expressed to the right person go as far or farther in a club. Lets not think about the physical aspects of appearance now. If a woman is articulate, intelligent, takes the time to dress nicely, or does somethng else to stand out from the crowd, what is wrong with complimenting her on it? Given the impression I had of this girl, its now 180 degrees different.
Its similar to when i give a talk and people tell me its a really good and helpful talk. I don't think something like "What did you expect, a bad talk?" When someone says something about one of my books, I don't get defensive about that. Sometimes a spade is just a spade.
I understand your concern, but there are other points of view also. :)
JoeSoUncool
JoeUnCool
02-29-2008, 11:18 AM
Only when giving the compliment is a de facto way of denigrating a group the recipient belongs to.
When you go to the doctor, do you feel compelled to tell the nurse (s)he is very smart? The doctor?
Did anybody find it necessary to point out Mitt Romney was a clean young man, very articulate?
Would you really feel complimented if you went to a strip club and a dancer told you that, gee, you're not old, bald and fat. And by the way it's it smells like you actually took a shower today?
I think you taking things to an extreme with your analogies.
Djoser
02-29-2008, 11:28 AM
...I'm of the opinion that SW members are a little different from the general population of dancers...
I also think that on the dork/partygirl spectrum, a lot of SW members fall toward the dork end of things. We own computers and spend an inordinate ammount of time online...
From my experience, the intelligence level is higher here than in the clubs I have worked. But you have to remember where I have worked, mostly--Daytona, where even the fucking lawyers are stupid, lol...
My inclination, from the experience I have had as a member of 5 1/2 years, and my experience working in the clubs for 9, would be to guess that the literacy level is higher here than in the average club. There is a lot of reading and writing going on--an interest in the written words of others.
It is obvious to me, though, from reading the various threads over the years, that some areas have a greater proportion of intelligent dancers than others. Austin, Tx. being a place that springs readily to mind. If I'd been smart (lol!) I would have stuck around there and gotten into DJing, instead of moving to the crab-infested crotch of the nation first.
Without question, the tendency for dancers to play roles and entice customers by seeming really impressed with their achievements and abilities, etc. makes it difficult if not impossible to judge their true intelligence level. Even 'smart guys' seem to prefer 'dumb dancers', which does little to impress me with 'smart guys', and ensures there will be a lot of apparently 'dumb' dancers. They are smart enough to know where the money is, which is so often in acting dumb.
They don't tend to act dumb around the DJ, though maybe it's happened on occasion.
One thing's for sure, I would love to be able to work with more SW members!
I am finding myself wondering how I would feel if someone were to come out and say they thought that the SW DJs were smarter than the 'average' DJ. I'd almost certainly agree with them, having worked with some true imbeciles over the years.
But then I am quite aware that I deviate from the norm, lol...
Of course, anyone who said that DJs were by their very nature morons would be as full of shit as someone who maligned the intelligence level of dancers. Though truth be told, before there were a lot of DJs here on SW I said something close to it, more than once. Bad Djoser...
Phil-W
02-29-2008, 11:37 AM
Without question, the tendency for dancers to play roles and entice customers by seeming really impressed with their achievements and abilities, etc. makes it difficult if not impossible to judge their true intelligence level.
Not to mention most dancers seem to deal with customers on a case by case basis, varying their pitch slightly to conform closer to the stereotype of the dancer that the customer is seeking.
Even an individual dancer may thus come across as displaying different levels of intelligence depending on which of her customers you talk to.
All in all, I'd say it's extremely dificult to judge the average dancer's intelligence while she's at work - she's behaving in a way that she thinks will *maximise* her income, and that includes telling her customers what they want to hear.
Phil.
Everyman
02-29-2008, 11:47 AM
if you went to a strip club and a dancer told you that, gee, you're not old, bald and fat. And by the way it's it smells like you actually took a shower today?
About 1/3 to 1/2 of strippers, upon first meeting me, will rub my bald head, anywhere between sensually and vigorously, while telling me how much they love the smooth bald head.......
I assume that between 95-100% of this is SS, but it is enjoyable and effective nevertheless.
(:
Jenny
02-29-2008, 12:09 PM
I find it incredibly interesting that this thread started because of something said/assumed/extrapolated about a class of people and now everyone, including the OP in falling over themselves to say that the class of people has nothing to do with it.
Everyman
02-29-2008, 12:20 PM
I find it incredibly interesting that this thread started because of something said/assumed/extrapolated about a class of people and now everyone, including the OP in falling over themselves to say that the class of people has nothing to do with it.
Once again, Jenny, maybe you're thinking of someone else's post. Where have I ever expressed a change of heart in this thread?
TheSexKitten
02-29-2008, 12:26 PM
The best stripper persona is a nuance rather than a caricature.
For example, the real Kat was 28, extensively educated, and had a boyfriend. The Persona Kat was 24, finishing up a bach. business degree a diff. university, had come to the US at age 12, and was dating around.
Now THAT SS is believable, and allows the custy to feel somewhat superiour without thinking he's talking to a moron.
QFT! And there's never any need to act like a know-it-all with customers, but if they bring up a topic that requires two brain cells to rub together I can happily indulge in it as myself, just censored a little bit so that they always know slightly more than me about the subject. :P Also, I'd much rather have guys turning me down because I am "too smart" or "too real" than guys turning me down because I'm pretending to be "too dumb" or whatever. It's sort of an issue of self-respect for me but I know I'm pretty unique in that idea.
Djoser
02-29-2008, 03:13 PM
One thing I find interesting is the reaction of the various dancers I have told about Stripperweb, or even shown them if I have a leeched wireless connection. I tend to tell the ones that seem more enlightened or literate or thoughtful, but they don't always seem all that impressed.
Maybe because we are at work, I don't know.
xoxoGracexoxo
03-01-2008, 10:54 AM
Might I help you with the chip on your shoulder (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_on_shoulder)?
No chip, dude. I understand that Everyman's post was most likely intended to be complimentary and inoffensive. The fact is that a few of us did find it a little offensive, and we have tried to explain why. You wouldn't get this in a strip club, where all of us would happily take your compliment and your money. But isn't that the joy of Customer Conversation, that customers and dancers get to freely exchange ideas in a forum unbiased by money and boobage?
For me, accepting the compliment "you're smart" at work usually means I also have to accept the implicit "for a stripper" that comes with it. So if I accept your compliment, I tacitly insult all the other women I work with. I think this is what has raised some ire in this thread. This is a stripper networking site, after all. When the intelligence of strippers -- even non-SW members -- is denigrated, we tend to close ranks.
The alternative is to say nothing.
What? No. The alternative is to keep having what conversation you were having that you interrupted because you absolutely HAD to let the dancer know how smart, in your opinion, she was.
You do understand the concept of a backhanded compliment, right? A compliment that (intentionally OR unintentionally) contains an insult? Sometimes it is actually necessary to think about what you say before you say it, if you want to avoid hurting someone's feelings and/or sounding like a jackass.
Personally, i refuse to worry about someone's feelings in that way.
Oh. :-\ I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes a compliment. To me, a compliment is an expression of respect or admiration, and I usually do care about how the person I compliment feels. I guess if you are extending the compliment for the purposes of your own gratification, then my rules don't apply. Carry on, then.
xoxoGracexoxo
03-01-2008, 11:08 AM
There is a lot of reading and writing going on--an interest in the written words of others.
It is obvious to me, though, from reading the various threads over the years, that some areas have a greater proportion of intelligent dancers than others. Austin, Tx. being a place that springs readily to mind.
Hell yes. I have to say, Stripperweb is one the most literate, diverse, and thoughtful communities to which I've ever belonged. Smart for strippers? Nah. The ladies here are just smart. Period.
Maybe that's what rubbed me the wrong way just a bit in the original post. Cause (a) the ladies of Stripperweb would be smart compared to any population you choose and (b) the non-Stripperweb dancers I know are pretty damn smart, too. Then again, as you point out, I live in ATX, the land of hot freaks and sexy nerds.
JoeUnCool
03-01-2008, 12:20 PM
No chip, dude. I understand that Everyman's post was most likely intended to be complimentary and inoffensive. The fact is that a few of us did find it a little offensive, and we have tried to explain why. You wouldn't get this in a strip club, where all of us would happily take your compliment and your money. But isn't that the joy of Customer Conversation, that customers and dancers get to freely exchange ideas in a forum unbiased by money and boobage?
For me, accepting the compliment "you're smart" at work usually means I also have to accept the implicit "for a stripper" that comes with it. So if I accept your compliment, I tacitly insult all the other women I work with. I think this is what has raised some ire in this thread. This is a stripper networking site, after all. When the intelligence of strippers -- even non-SW members -- is denigrated, we tend to close ranks.
What? No. The alternative is to keep having what conversation you were having that you interrupted because you absolutely HAD to let the dancer know how smart, in your opinion, she was.
You do understand the concept of a backhanded compliment, right? A compliment that (intentionally OR unintentionally) contains an insult? Sometimes it is actually necessary to think about what you say before you say it, if you want to avoid hurting someone's feelings and/or sounding like a jackass.
Oh. :-\ I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes a compliment. To me, a compliment is an expression of respect or admiration, and I usually do care about how the person I compliment feels. I guess if you are extending the compliment for the purposes of your own gratification, then my rules don't apply. Carry on, then.
I understand your point, and that of others. However, from my perspective, it doesn't match up with I see. In my everyday life I see people that don't do their job because they are just plain lazy. When I see someone doing their job properly, I tend to compliment them on it.
I find that most people that disagree end up arguing and fighting over their positions as the volume of their voices steadily increase. This is the way it was in my house growing up and the way I see most people. Rarely do I find someone that I can disagree with yet have an intelligent conversation with where we walk away agreeing to disagree and NOT yelling at each other (yes, even I do this:-[). I do not feel that I am being disrespectful to them by complimenting them on their ability to communicate their position in an intelligent manner. Here is the scenario:
Walk into club. Fave comes over to join me.
Fave and I discuss what had happened the last time (she got sick from drinking too much). I tell fave not to worry, but that I wish her Friend had not jokingly accused me of doing something to Fave. Fave excuses her self and goes to the dressing room.
Friend comes storming out headed right at me. Points finger at me and says something along the lines of "That is BS."
I respond telling her that she did, I didn't appreciate the joking about it, and that I am not interested in any more drama.
At this point, I turn away. Friend sits down and says that I should just listen.
The next five minutes go in 1 ear and out the other. Think of it as "Talk to hand" without the hand being displayed. ** I have past dancer experience with finger pointing and yelling. This is what I am expecting. **
At the five minute mark, I realize that friend has not yelled or screamed and has merely stated her point of view. At this point, I actually start to listen.
For the next 15 minutes, Friend and I have an intelligent discussion.
At the 20 minute mark, I stop friend and tell her that I am impressed with her ability to have an intelligent conversation, articulate her view, and that this is a trait most people(most people, not dancers) don't have.
At the 30 minute mark, Friend and I finally are done. We agree to disagree regarding what was said. Once again, I tell her that I am impressed with her ability to communicate in an intelligent way and to articulate her point of view.
After this, Fave and I then get into a disagreement. It was late, I went home, we worked it out later in a agreeable way. I comment to Fave that my opinion of Friend is 180 degrees from what it was before because of that conversation. I tell Fave that Friend has traits that are rare in people in general.Now, I believe that I did the correct thing in every step of this. I have treated both Fave and Friend with respect in each discussion. I have gone out of my way to compliment them on their ability to have discussion to resolve problems as opposed to drama. Not once have I made or implied something deragatory because of their jobs as it reflects on their perceived intelligence.
I have found that people that go looking for a fight will often be successful in finding that fight. Remember, sometimes a spade is just a spade and not a metaphor. A compliment is only a backhanded compliment if you want it to be that way.
JoeUnCool
03-01-2008, 12:26 PM
One thing I find interesting is the reaction of the various dancers I have told about Stripperweb, or even shown them if I have a leeched wireless connection. I tend to tell the ones that seem more enlightened or literate or thoughtful, but they don't always seem all that impressed.
Maybe because we are at work, I don't know.
Interesting. I pulled out my iPod Touch the other night and found the club's network. We spent time surfing the web and laughing at some things online.
Golden_Rule
03-01-2008, 04:45 PM
Although you're right, I don't think thieves would out themselves here or find anything but hostility if they did. To a lesser degree, I'd postulate, same with extras girls.
Here I would have to say the following on that: Early on when I first started reading SW off and on I would have said you were wrong. I use to witness the the, "Man did I get over on some guy", post that got a bunch of, "You go girl", responses all the time. I will readily state, and happily so, that has changed quite a bit. I don't think such threads in the 'hustle hut', etc, get good feedback when they occasionally show up now days.
I'd add that girls who admit to the occasional "extra", though still rare in these parts, get more respect than they use to. I'm not saying they are agreed with. I'm saying that they don't, at least not as often, get called names, etc, when they admit to their involvement in acts that would be defined as "extras".
The pink side is still far from being a place tolerant to anything but the party line, but there has been noticeable improvement.
Golden_Rule
03-01-2008, 04:49 PM
c) there are "bad people" in every industry. Because our job includes emotional and sexual labour I could see more guys feeling robbed - but that doesn't make it true; but honestly I've seen more customers screw over dancers than vice versa. I've also seen more customers engage in concerted and planned "bad behaviour" than dancers.
My opinion, based on my own observations as a bouncer and a customer in strip-clubs, is that it is about equal. Which would fall in line with my belief that folks are folks and the tendency toward trying to get over on others isn't dependent on the presence of an XX or XY chromosome.
Golden_Rule
03-01-2008, 04:57 PM
^^^ So who does have qualifications to say you're intelligent Jenny?
I can readily see Jenny's point being a valid one in this.
None of us here are qualified to make judgements on the intelligence of another person present. We could guess, or speculate, but that is all it would be.
Perhaps even more so in a strip-club, where people are even more inclined toward playing a part than they are within these walls. It just doesn't make sense.
In a classroom environment where there are tests. In another work environment where performance, over time, may give a clue. Not in a strip-club.
It should never be lost though that it cuts BOTH ways.
Jenny, I think you would like me better in real life than you do through my words here. (That's not saying much though, is it?)
In real life I tend to suppress my inveterate superiority in the in the interest of interpersonal relations, but here I let it all hang out. (;
I certainly couldn't say for certain but I'm not exactly sure Jenny actually likes anyone. In strip-clubs. In real life. On the board. Any one.
[JUST KIDDING!] :D
miabella
03-01-2008, 08:34 PM
i'm a superintelligent shade of the color blue. i am eminently qualified to make judgments on the intelligence of all persons present.
Jenny
03-01-2008, 08:41 PM
i'm a superintelligent shade of the color blue. i am eminently qualified to make judgments on the intelligence of all persons present.
Green is clearly the more intelligent colour.
miabella
03-01-2008, 08:51 PM
you have no love for mr. adams. :-(