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Lysondra
03-05-2008, 07:36 AM
If you can pull it off, more power to you. I don't think most women can, but then dancers are not 'most women'. And the nature of the job tends to make accepting money from men, while retaining independence, a little easier.
You're probably right. I continue to forget that.
hockeybobby
03-05-2008, 07:39 AM
Lysondra = They broke the mould after they made that one ;D
Uniqueness
hb
Jenny
03-05-2008, 07:42 AM
Well there is also a big difference in dating one person amongst many for money and marrying for money. If you've married for money, and the person has any sense of his legal affairs at all, you become pretty dependent because the money won't be coming in from any other sources. Escorting with a variety of guys is obviously more conducive to independence than marrying one.
Lysondra
03-05-2008, 07:43 AM
Lysondra = They broke the mould after they made that one ;D
Uniqueness
hb
You're only hitting on me because I like hockey.
hockeybobby
03-05-2008, 07:49 AM
You're only hitting on me because I like hockey.
Yeah, well, the hockeybobby hierarchy of worship is well documented: women, women dancers, women dancers who dig hockey. With you, I had to add a whole new level: women dancers who dig hockey who have the razor wit and hotness of a Lysondra.;D
Jeez...I wear it all on my sleeve. It's a failing I know.
hb
Djoser
03-05-2008, 08:16 AM
Yeah, well, the hockeybobby hierarchy of worship is well documented: women, women dancers, women dancers who dig hockey. With you, I had to add a whole new level: women dancers who dig hockey who have the razor wit and hotness of a Lysondra.;D
Jeez...I wear it all on my sleeve. It's a failing I know.
hb
You are a great guy, I'm sure, but I think we both need to quit posting in this thread.
Men who aren't in the industry aren't supposed to post in Stripping General at all.
Men who are in the industry should probably exercise more restraint than I have in SG recently, especially in this thread.
Time for Djoser to :-X
hockeybobby
03-05-2008, 10:23 AM
Yeah...you're right. Thanks djoser.
bebewood
03-08-2008, 04:25 AM
I don't find it dificult to do at all. I date men for money and totally maintain my independence. Hell they LIKE that about me. I do what the hell I want and they spend money on me because they want. As long as everyone knows the score, no one loses anything.
dating and marrying are two different things. as soon as you rely on a man for money you are forfeiting your independence. if you move in with a guy and rely on him to basically stay alive, you arent independent. the way this girl was saying it she wants to marry for money so she can quit being a stripper. that would make her rely solely on her husband which is very dangerous and very degrading. if the husband leaves her she is screwed. and men feel that if they have financial power over women they own the women. basically if she has no other means to support herself she has to put up with all his bullshit just to feed herself. its not right.
living on someone elses paycheck is super dangerous.
Lysondra
03-08-2008, 01:06 PM
dating and marrying are two different things. as soon as you rely on a man for money you are forfeiting your independence. if you move in with a guy and rely on him to basically stay alive, you arent independent. the way this girl was saying it she wants to marry for money so she can quit being a stripper. that would make her rely solely on her husband which is very dangerous and very degrading. if the husband leaves her she is screwed. and men feel that if they have financial power over women they own the women. basically if she has no other means to support herself she has to put up with all his bullshit just to feed herself. its not right.
living on someone elses paycheck is super dangerous.
Who said anything about relying on them just because you marry them and they're rich? I don't know about you, but I intend on keeping my job whether or not my husband has a few mil in the bank.
Just because you marry rich doesn't mean you lose anything.
Jenny
03-08-2008, 05:09 PM
Well, Lysondra - if one marries for money one is probably marrying someone with more money than one has. Otherwise there is no point. And one is presumably, if one is marrying for money, one is looking to enjoy a standard of living and lifestyle that one cannot provide for oneself. Otherwise there is no point. So assuming that one is marrying rich for the purposes of being rich (as was the issue under contention here) and not just for affection, it would be difficult to maintain independence and enjoy the reason that one married in the first place. I'm not arguing that one cannot marry for money if one so wishes; merely that doing so will interfere with one's independence.
Lysondra
03-08-2008, 06:54 PM
Well, Lysondra - if one marries for money one is probably marrying someone with more money than one has. Otherwise there is no point. And one is presumably, if one is marrying for money, one is looking to enjoy a standard of living and lifestyle that one cannot provide for oneself. Otherwise there is no point. So assuming that one is marrying rich for the purposes of being rich (as was the issue under contention here) and not just for affection, it would be difficult to maintain independence and enjoy the reason that one married in the first place. I'm not arguing that one cannot marry for money if one so wishes; merely that doing so will interfere with one's independence.
I don't get how my point isn't easier to understand. :(
You marry rich. You enjoy the rich lifestyle: boats, cars, whatever. Your partner can buy you things as gifts, pay a few bills for you, whatever he decides, his freaking money. You: keep your job, pay your way best you can, don't expect anything but feel happy you are living the 'rich lifestyle' and still maintaing what you have.
I think TOO would be a tad offended to think nobody would date him because if they married him, they wouldn't be independant anymore. Even if I dated TOO himself and than married him, I'd keep stripping. I'd keep going to school. If he wanted to pay my bills, sure, whatever, my money will just end up in savings for the business I plan to buy.
I really don't see how you can marry for money and ALWAYS loose your independance.
Let me be shallow for a moment: I plan on marrying someone for money. I only date men...with money. I do this because I find men with money and the jobs that make them that money are more suitable matches for me. They can take weekdays off to be with me so we can see eachother and out schedules don't clash so much as the typical 9-5. I plan on marrying someone for money because of what money makes THEM. They can choose whether or not they spend it on me but be damned if I'm marrying a rich man and he tells me to quit my job... actually.. I know very FEW rich men who would want their wives to that! They LIKE independant women, they LIKE someone who can take care of themselves and the fact a woman is with them AND still working gives them the freedom to feel WANTED and not NEEDED, which makes them take care of you in an emotional as well as financial way that does not involve taking your rights away.
jabberjabber....
Meaning... I want to marry rich. I PLAN on marrying rich. I plan this because it's suits my lifestyle, suits who I am, and makes me happy. If that makes me shallow, so be it. I also refuse to lose a single sense of who I am and quit my job/let him pay my bills so I quit my job/make it so he controls me EVER.
Pppffffttt argh... hard to convey... but I think if TOO were here, he'd pipe in and know exactly what I mean.
Jenny
03-08-2008, 07:10 PM
Um Okay. But since this isn't about TOO or his dating and marriage prospects, perhaps we can maintain a hypothetical instead?
I'm also not talking about you. I'm just pointing out the rather obvious fact that if you marry to attain a lifestyle that you cannot provide for yourself you will be dependent on whoever you marry to provide that lifestyle to you. It has nothing with do with having "rights taken away"; it is about dependence.
Lysondra
03-08-2008, 07:15 PM
Sure... let's make it hypothetical, because I am totally marrying someone I've never met off the internet like next week so that wasn't a hypothetical situation.
And I wasn't trying to talk about me but it seems to be hard to get my point across without using myself as reference, but I see that didn't really work either.
Tauries
03-08-2008, 07:23 PM
I'm also not talking about you. I'm just pointing out the rather obvious fact that if you marry to attain a lifestyle that you cannot provide for yourself you will be dependent on whoever you marry to provide that lifestyle to you. It has nothing with do with having "rights taken away"; it is about dependence.
Great point Jenny!! I wonder how many "rich" men appreciate the fact that a woman is "marrying" a "lifestyle" rather than them?? Is there an island that produces these dumb and blind "rich" men?? Maybe I should PLAN to marry one too...I like the way Lysondra thinks.:)
Jenny
03-08-2008, 07:32 PM
Um... thanks, but I didn't say that the only reason someone would marry a rich man was for the lifestyle. Merely that if you did marry for the lifestyle you depended on him to provide it. I think the wealthy are perfectly capable of sincere affection.
Or did I miss something - what were all the quotes for?
Lysondra
03-08-2008, 07:33 PM
^Dude you can marry a rich man for his money AND him, y'know. I date rich men because I like what they offer. I'd marry a rich man because of what they can offer. Doesn't mean I get the first douchebag idiot rich man and marry him to get his money.
Tauries
03-08-2008, 07:45 PM
Um... thanks, but I didn't say that the only reason someone would marry a rich man was for the lifestyle. Merely that if you did marry for the lifestyle you depended on him to provide it. I think the wealthy are perfectly capable of sincere affection.
Or did I miss something - what were all the quotes for?
Aaacck!! That was actually an agreement of your point...you thought of an angle I didn't. The quotes are there to emphasize the "hypothetical" and "subjective" nature of the terms being used. I understand your point and agree that if given a choice...marrying a man that happened to be wealthy as oppossed to his poor identical in every way clone would be a smarter choice...and would not neccessarily affect a woman's independence except in the way Jenny brought up.
Lysondra
03-08-2008, 07:45 PM
OH! I thought you were being sarcastic, sorry! Heehee.
Tauries
03-08-2008, 07:48 PM
OH! I thought you were being sarcastic, sorry! Heehee.
No worries!! I haven't had much to agree with and been a snotty a-hole around here lately so I understand:) .
bebewood
03-10-2008, 12:16 PM
Who said anything about relying on them just because you marry them and they're rich? I don't know about you, but I intend on keeping my job whether or not my husband has a few mil in the bank.
Just because you marry rich doesn't mean you lose anything.
the girl in the article did....
anyway im guessing you dont actually care about falling in love and being happy with someone, but some of us do, and some of us actually want to marry someone we actually are at least attracted to and WANT to spend time with. so i dont see why anyone who doesnt need money would want to marry rich. there is no point in enslaving yourself like that. marriage means commitment, why commit yourself to a guy you dont love for money if you dont need to?
bebewood
03-10-2008, 12:22 PM
Great point Jenny!! I wonder how many "rich" men appreciate the fact that a woman is "marrying" a "lifestyle" rather than them?? Is there an island that produces these dumb and blind "rich" men?? Maybe I should PLAN to marry one too...I like the way Lysondra thinks.:)
from what i have found, most rich men know they only get chicks cuz of their money and they enjoy this. they think it makes them powerful. yes they are delusional, but i find most of them had the goal of becoming rich simply so they can BUY women. i personally hate most rich men. i find that decent men have no desire to be rich, they dont need loads of money to get a girl so its not a priority for them, and its not like girls who want to be rich to buy nice things. guys seem to want money to buy women, not clothes and houses.
Lysondra
03-10-2008, 06:08 PM
the girl in the article did....
anyway im guessing you dont actually care about falling in love and being happy with someone, but some of us do, and some of us actually want to marry someone we actually are at least attracted to and WANT to spend time with. so i dont see why anyone who doesnt need money would want to marry rich. there is no point in enslaving yourself like that. marriage means commitment, why commit yourself to a guy you dont love for money if you dont need to?
Argh. I don't date men JUST because they're rich. They have to be atractive to me, too. And I said I date them because they have money but not for the money because, and I'm probably going to sound like a bitch but RICH MEN ACT DIFFERENTLY. Our schedules are more suited to eachothers. Our conversation is much more easygoing and mature. I, as in me, find myself more attracted to rich men because of what it took to make them who they are, not the actual money itself.
Who said I don't want to spend time with the men I date or that I'm not attracted to them? I've ditched many rich men because they weren't sexually attractive to me.
Sorry, I just like a whole package.
Lysondra
03-10-2008, 06:11 PM
from what i have found, most rich men know they only get chicks cuz of their money and they enjoy this. they think it makes them powerful. yes they are delusional, but i find most of them had the goal of becoming rich simply so they can BUY women. i personally hate most rich men. i find that decent men have no desire to be rich, they dont need loads of money to get a girl so its not a priority for them, and its not like girls who want to be rich to buy nice things. guys seem to want money to buy women, not clothes and houses.
See this is where our opinions differ. I find rich men to be very decent and hard workers. They appreciate effort because of how hard it took them to get where they are. (I am obviously talking of new money.) They don't need to buy women. I prefer the more 'laid back' businessman type money. Not the hyper coke daddy money with bling. My ex was very relaxed, filthy rich and never showed off. I've met many like this.
I appreciate rich men for their drive, their dediction, their determination and their respect and understanding of all of it. And I find that condusive to the lifestyle I wish to lead.
Tauries
03-10-2008, 08:09 PM
from what i have found, most rich men know they only get chicks cuz of their money and they enjoy this. they think it makes them powerful. yes they are delusional, but i find most of them had the goal of becoming rich simply so they can BUY women. i personally hate most rich men. i find that decent men have no desire to be rich, they dont need loads of money to get a girl so its not a priority for them, and its not like girls who want to be rich to buy nice things. guys seem to want money to buy women, not clothes and houses.
So you are saying that because I choose to buy clothes and a house instead of women that I'm a decent guy?? There must be a flaw in your logic somewhere...I was under the impression that I was quite the arse-hole for not buying my wimenz:O .
velvet
03-10-2008, 08:34 PM
ok i think this has drifted O/T. lets get back on track please.
bebewood
03-10-2008, 11:44 PM
Argh. I don't date men JUST because they're rich. They have to be atractive to me, too. And I said I date them because they have money but not for the money because, and I'm probably going to sound like a bitch but RICH MEN ACT DIFFERENTLY. Our schedules are more suited to eachothers. Our conversation is much more easygoing and mature. I, as in me, find myself more attracted to rich men because of what it took to make them who they are, not the actual money itself.
Who said I don't want to spend time with the men I date or that I'm not attracted to them? I've ditched many rich men because they weren't sexually attractive to me.
Sorry, I just like a whole package.
youre right, rich men do act differently, they refuse to date women their own age and treat women like pathetic worthless objects who should bow down to them. they think money can buy them any beautiful girl they want even when theyre nasty disgusting looking dogs themselves. they also think they can sleep with as many women as they want regardless of whether or n ot they are in a relationship
what it takes to make them who they are is the obsession and desire to buy women they were never able to get when they were young and poor. yes it makes them ambitious but it doesn't make them good people.
bebewood
03-10-2008, 11:45 PM
So you are saying that because I choose to buy clothes and a house instead of women that I'm a decent guy?? There must be a flaw in your logic somewhere...I was under the impression that I was quite the arse-hole for not buying my wimenz:O .
youre an asshole for going to the club and not tipping.
most guys who dont buy women also dont go to strip clubs. the reason people c all you an asshole is because you are cheap at a place where there are women taking off their clothes for you and depend on you for their paycheck that day.
bebewood
03-10-2008, 11:49 PM
See this is where our opinions differ. I find rich men to be very decent and hard workers. They appreciate effort because of how hard it took them to get where they are. (I am obviously talking of new money.) They don't need to buy women. I prefer the more 'laid back' businessman type money. Not the hyper coke daddy money with bling. My ex was very relaxed, filthy rich and never showed off. I've met many like this.
I appreciate rich men for their drive, their dediction, their determination and their respect and understanding of all of it. And I find that condusive to the lifestyle I wish to lead.
ive found businessmen to be the worst! theyre absolutely disgusting and absolutely LOATHE women their own age. they see women as toys that are bot and thrown away as soon as they turn 25. men do not desire to get rich just for the hell of it. they do it to get power so they can BUY WOMEN. there is nothing admirable about them.
decent men arent driven to make lots of money. if anything they are driven to help others or bring a change to society. im sorry that you think asshole men who are selfish greedy and hate women are good "dedicated" people. the most dedicated and determined people in the world dont give a flying fuck about money.
i also find it odd that you do not yet live the lifestyle you "wish to lead" since you are a stripper and only date filthy rich men. do strippers really make that little?
velvet
03-11-2008, 12:06 AM
bebewood i asked nicely for you to stay on topic. this thread is now closed.