View Full Version : More than 1 girl on stage... yay/nay?
Jenny
03-03-2008, 02:55 PM
Phillydj - I suppose it is a waste of time telling you this is not personal? And that is has nothing to do with your brains? And really - we are trying to "enlighten" you. How many comments are there on stripclub list? Like total? Now how many discuss the DJ as a make or break point? Let's estimate a ratio. I mean really. I appreciate your point - that 5 guys out of the millions in North America who regularly visit strip clubs care about the DJ.
Like - is an incredibly bad DJ worse than a reasonably good DJ? Yes. Do either of them make me money? No. I suppose the crap DJ could actually lose me money, whereas a reasonably good DJ is entirely neutral - but I don't view not losing me money as making me money. Seriously - I've worked without a DJ - like any DJ at all. I know it doesn't make the difference to my money - hell it didn't even alter my stage tips.
Bridgette
03-03-2008, 02:56 PM
being known as cool and professional will tend to make certain types of dancers want to work your shifts...the kind that tend to also draw better customers...thus indirectly affecting the club and ALL persons withins money.A good point. In certain situations where dancers work whenever they want, some girls will choose to work the shifts a certain DJ works, and if there are more girls consistently working certain nights, then certainly some customers will follow, and it will appear that the DJ is bringing in more customers.
In reality, the girls are most likely avoiding working with a certain shit DJ because he consistently overplays the songs causing girls to make less money due to fewer chances to sell dances, for example, or maybe he's an asshole who shakes the girls down every night. They may tell the other DJ how awesome he is, and how they make SO much more money when he works, and how much cooler he is than the shit DJ. But it's only because he's playing the songs the right length and/or behaves at least tolerably, not because he's some all-mighty DJ god. LOL
A shit DJ can cause us to LOSE money, but a good one doesn't really make a difference.
Take, for example, the dancer last night who made over a hundred dollars within 18 minutes, above and beyond what she would have, had I not put her onstage at the end of the night. I didn't have to, it wasn't her turn, she was heading to the dressing room to change and leave. She stayed onstage an extra song, at my suggestion, and then got three privates from one of the guys who were tipping her lavishly. Clearly she didn't overestimate the importance of the DJ.
The dancer who was supposed to be next on rotation--the same one who was late every single time to stage, and missed it altogether once, causing many guys to leave the tiprail, and the club, and who didn't make much last night, clearly didn't appreciate the value of running a show. She got no dances, and made no money at the rail.
She also failed to do what the other dancer did--give those guys a show that would bring them back to the club for more. Thus benefiting all of us in the club.
Your girl who was making money - made it because she had a good attitude. The who made shit - made it because she had a shit attitude. Believe me, it had nothing to do with you. So you suggested the one girl go onstage again and she ran with it. And she made some cash because she showed off her great attitude.
Take credit for it all you want, but that girl's attitude is what made her the money, not you or anything you did.
So it's not that a DJ who actually does his job correctly is all that great or important, but that the ones who suck are SO BAD that they run off girls, who in turn take the customers with them. If management would just lose the shit DJ and/or put his ass in line, his perceived importance would quickly fade. I've worked clubs with NO DJ and made as much money or more than clubs with DJs. It is NOT the DJ that makes us money. The guys will come for the girls regardless of whether there's a really awesome DJ, no DJ, or a fucken monkey pushing "play".
Jenny - you and I have agreed plenty of times before. It's just that it's more fun when we don't ;D
MrChristopher
03-03-2008, 03:20 PM
^Honestly Brian I don't know why you even bothered.
Djoser
03-03-2008, 03:20 PM
Sorry Djoser, but I absolutely believe you're grossly overestimating your contribution to the reason your newly remodeled club is now hurting the competition. You're conveniently omitting the fact this place has recently been remodeled (and probably hired buncha new chics), and THAT is most likely the main reason they're suddenly seeing a burst in business.
Sorry, you know I love you, but there aren't any new dancers. Wait, except for the one from the first club we met in during SW Fest, who came to the club specifically because I was there, lol! She also happens to be one of the best-looking ones there now (Cameron saw her and can vouch for that). Unless she was lying to me to get into my pants.
The guys didn't come to see the brand new stage. They didn't stay because the same dancers that have been working there for the last six months were on a brand new stage. They stayed because the dancers were putting on a show with the benefit of the new DJ's assistance. We were working together to put on a show.
They also haven't come in and stayed to nearly the same extent on the nights when I haven't worked. Like for instance the entire first two weeks they were open, before I started and was instantly given the best nights.
They stayed partly because I didn't allow the dancers to play "No One" by Alicia Keys 20 fucking times a night as they had with the jukebox, and the other whiny slow shit they played 20 times a night. Instead I maintained a high-energy atmosphere with hard-driving music that the dancers felt truly inspired by, much of it unavailable previously at this club, unavailable at the club I just left since I brought it with me, and for that matter unavailable at any other stripclub I have been in.
Customers don't spend money on "the show". Strippers haven't been in "show business" for quite a while. It's a service business, and the service is only "advertised" to a limited degree on the stage, but it's not provided there. I personally would LOVE IT if we could revert back to something more like show business, and we could make tons of money by running great stage shows and less direct stimulation, but it ain't gonna happen. As such, the stage and DJ are WAY less important in the grand scheme than having an appropriate number of dancers available to entertain the customers ON THE FLOOR. So, part of having an appropriate number of dancers ON THE FLOOR is not herding us onto the stage constantly.
Customers do indeed spend money on the show. That girl last night wouldn't have jumped back onstage if the guys hadn't been tipping lavishly, and she wouldn't have stayed an even further song, either. At the end of the night we all wanted to go home. And of course she wouldn't have gotten those last few privates either.
Do you really think I am making this shit up?
Last night we actually had way less girls than the club I just left, since more than half the dancers crapped out even though they were scheduled, since they didn't care about putting on a show. Then there were the dancers going up into the Champagne Room, which by the way the dancers and managers alike have noticed has been way busier when I am working. Then the dancers that were drunk and/or fucked up on drugs who were nowhere to be seen, certainly not entertaining customers on the floor or in private. So we had very few dancers, if any (during large parts of the night), on the floor entertaining guys.
We still had more business than the club down the street, with way more than twice the dancers.
I am not taking sole credit for this--of course the guys aren't there to see me. But the dancers, working together with me as a team, putting on a show, kept the guys in the house.
I have seen it happen time and time again, working other clubs with not enough dancers, with customers staying anyway, because they liked the show
Furthermore, most of these guys have had no fucking clue that this is an expanded club. Key West is driven by tourist business, to a remarkable degree. They weren't there to see the new stages, the nonexistent new girls, or even of course, the new fucking DJ. They stayed to watch, and listen to, the show.
Customers don't leave because there's no one on stage for 3 minutes. At least spending customers don't. They leave because they can't get the attention they want AT THEIR TABLES or VIP. Sure, a DJ looks at a club with too-few girls running break songs, and blames guys leaving on the "empty stage". But the DJ is looking at it from the booth. We are looking at it from the customers' laps we're getting jerked off of - and we KNOW that if they're leaving it's not because stage was empty for 3 minutes, but because they couldn't get a girl on their lap for the past half hour.
Yes, they do leave because there is no one onstage for three minutes. I watched it happen last night when the two drunk ones that didn't care about putting on a show were due onstage. I have watched it hundreds and hundreds of times, in 8 out of 9 of the clubs I have worked in. The other club fined the fuck out of the girls for being late onstage, and the only guys who left were the guys who left when I put up the fat girls.
Yes,, the DJ is looking at it from the booth, not from the lap of a customer trying to feel our tits and get us to their hotel room, lol. Consequently we see the whole picture more than the individual dancers do.
Most customers don't give 2 shits about the stage and barely even notice what music is playing, if at all.
More than half the customers care a great deal what is going onstage, and notice the music to a very large degree. You have to remember what the ratio of customers to dancers is. If you are working in a very large club, with say 60 dancers, you are going to have, from my experience an average 200 guys or sometimes a lot more. They are not all getting dances, they do not all have dancers on their laps, especially if you factor in the dancers in the dressing room.
From my experience the customers care a great deal what music is playing. In fact, you can control a large crowd to a remarkable degree by playing certain kinds of music at certain times. Playing the same whiny slow songs 20 times a night each, because half the dancers all want to hear them every time they go up, will seriously affect the mood of all of the clubs I have worked in.
Playing certain kinds of music will affect the rate at which customers tip, and which kinds of customers do the tipping.
And I 100% disagree that saying a DJ isn't that important to the club vs "dancers are all alike" is any kind of comparison. "Dancers are all alike" is a stereotype with zero merit based on nothing but personal bias. "DJs aren't that important to making money in a stripclub" is an business observation made based on experience working in the clubs.
Obviously the owner of the new club, having observed the large difference I have been making since starting 2 weeks after the grand opening, feels that this DJ is extremely important to the profit he has seen dramatically jump since I started, and the greater profits coming in the door on the nights I am working.
Within two weeks of starting in my first club ever, in Daytona, there was a dramatic upsurge in business. Everyone noticed this, the dancers, the manager, the owner, even the fucking customers. In the next club it didn't work as well, but that was the circus, lol. In the next club it took an entire year, due to it's being in a DUI zone, and the manager being hired to run a tax write-off. After I left business dropped by more than half.
I believe you, Bridgette, when you have told me how well you hustle when working. You have never seen me in action, other than maybe humiliating the fuck out of the pizza thief, lol.
I ask you again, do you think I am making this shit up?
Bridgette
03-03-2008, 03:25 PM
Not saying a dj is the end all and be all, but we do play a part in the whole experiance of any decent club.And we're not saying a DJ is completely useless. Just that yall overestimate your importance.
But, those few examples from SCL you found represent what? 1% of stripclub customers? Aside from the fact we all know SCL is faaaaarr from a reliable source on what stripclub customers really think. And, some of your examples only back up what Jenny and I have said: that only a BAD DJ makes a noticeable difference in general stripclub customers' spending / attitude. If the DJ does his job right, he goes completely unnoticed to 99% of the customers.
phillydj
03-03-2008, 03:25 PM
Yeah I wondered the same myself before I pushed Post Quick Reply but I did all that Copy/pasting,lol
Djoser
03-03-2008, 03:25 PM
Take credit for it all you want, but that girl's attitude is what made her the money, not you or anything you did.
Excuse me, did you read what I wrote? If I hadn't left the booth, gone and stopped her from changing and leaving the fucking club, she wouldn't have made well over 100 extra dollars in 18 minutes. She would have gone home instead!
Of course she has a great attitude! That's why I went and got her and put her onstage!
Working together with me, she made a lot more money, and we made sure those guys will remember the club and come back there.
I am the last guy to take credit away from the dancers. But working together with them, knowing what they can do, and what the crowd wants, we can together make a lot of money.
It's a team effort--this is what makes the fucking money...
Jenny
03-03-2008, 03:37 PM
Okay; now we've well established that the DJs think that they contribute a great deal to the girl's earnings and the club atmosphere and that Bridgette and I don't think they do; I'm the end result is surprising to all of us. I actually think Tauries made the best point recently when he sort of obliquely pointed out that it was all beside the point and the thread is kind of about something else.
Djoser
03-03-2008, 03:51 PM
LOL! For once we agree...
Well twice, sort of, if you consider that we agree the dancers' time is best spent making money (however it is that they make it).
It is true that the thread topic has been diverted from its original theme. Jacked, if you will. And we all helped.
Though Velvet* may chastise me, I do believe it has had a positive effect--though maybe I am kidding myself. Bridgette and Jenny may never feel a good DJ can affect their earnings, but other dancers might read his and reconsider the role of the DJ in their club--assuming they have an actual DJ with talent. DJs may read this thread and observe the reasons why some dancers fail to appreciate what they think is genuine effort on their part.
*Velvet is a consummate hustler who has laughed with me many times about her never going onstage. Obviously it works for her, and I'd be the last to argue with that.
However, she did tell me just the other night that she thought the DJ needed an extra dancer on one of the stages, since there was only one up there. So she jumped onstage, to try to help him out, putting on a show. With two dancers on that stage. Back on topic...
I do not claim that she would agree with me because of this anecdote, but it is proof that she is the kind of dancer I value and need the most, to be the most effective DJ.
It's a team effort.
PleasureVictim
03-03-2008, 04:07 PM
I like when it is a friend I have chosen to go up with me on stage. Those are usually fun- even if the crowd is being lame and skimpy with the tips we still can have fun onstage.
I don't mind sharing the stage at all....I have been to clubs where guys prefer to tip with more than 1 dancer on stage, especially on the weekends.
Djoser
03-03-2008, 04:15 PM
Right, this weekend we had a lot of dancers and a lot of guys, and I was thinking seriously of going to 2 girls on each stage to get the tipping going more, though no manager had mentioned it. The time seemed right to do so.
Dallas 'The Coolest of the Cool', came up and said maybe we ought to, and that clinched it in my mind. Sure enough the tip rails had a lot more guys up there, as soon as we did it.
Brendita
03-03-2008, 06:32 PM
Zxcire and I dance together all the time. We wear matching outfits and we work really well together. Two girls on stage seems to draw more attention than only one at a time. It works out really well when it is busy. Slow times are not as good to dance doubles, as we split the tips, but we have fun so it's ok! :)
MrChristopher
03-03-2008, 10:48 PM
^^Just to clarify Pan Dah, they have to do an EIGHT song set? That's the way I read it. If so, that's wacky.
Dj Captain Rob
03-04-2008, 10:50 AM
Oh Shit, look what ive started...Lmao.
Oh well....guys dont get too upset just look at it mathmatically. Its just like at the clubs, 2 girls outta the whole bunch think were useless..lol. Not bad odds if you ask me :D
I wasnt trying to start Dancer Vs Dj WWIII...
Daisa
03-04-2008, 11:02 AM
During the slow season, it's 1 girl at a time. But I live in a touristy area, so as soon as "season" hits there can be anywhere from 2-5 girls a time. I don't mind it. I understand what some of you are saying re the "slab of meat/cattle call" thing, but for us it works. It seems to get the guys amped up and the vibe is more upbeat. It gets us the whole party atmosphere thing going.
And really, you don't have to worry about upstaging the other girls so you don't lose money. The guys sitting around the stage during this time are usually ready to tip all of the girls. The ones in the audience who want to tip you will just walk to the stage closest to where you are dancing. It's obvious who they are there for.
Also someone was asking how you keep from crashing into one another. I wondered that to, when I first started these type of clubs...but I swear as soon as you get up there with several girls you figure the groove out fast. For lack of a better way to describe it...IT JUST HAPPENS. Does that make any sense? I hope so! :shrug: