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Lysondra
03-03-2008, 10:37 PM
That seemed really fake. Making a yelping fade is easy to do via editing.. the dog didnt flail.. the soldiers weren't wearing patches.. they recorded it in the first place... they uploaded it in the first place... I mean, soldiers KNOW you can tell who someone is by their patches and they're even told to never record anything (photo/movie) while in uniform so their publicity can be controlled by the governments.

reese_x_c
03-03-2008, 10:43 PM
If it is real I hope they fall off a damn cliff, The dog couldn't really move because it looks like his little legs are binded :(

Naida
03-04-2008, 12:54 AM
Call it dark, call it fucked up, or simply lay it on a bastard stepdad, but I've seen enough animals senselessly... harmed... to say that the vid is real. But, I do have this to say on the subject-

HOW FUCKING DARE PEOPLE JUSTIFY WHAT THESE SORRY DISGUSTING INGRATE BASTARDS DID TO THAT POOR ANIMAL AS "BEING FUCKED UP AFTER TRAINING AND WAR"?!!!

I am engaged to a man in the military, he went through SEALS training where he literally drowned and was left underwater so long that his heart had STOPPED BEATING, meaning he was clinically DEAD, in a "routine training exercise", and was then forced to go BACK into that fucking pool to retrieve his dropped knife as soon as he was REVIVED! When he came home after 2 and a half years, he automatically fell in love with my new kittens, even claiming one as his own! Playing with the tiny baby, not even 2 weeks old, was THERAPUETIC to him! What these men did was NOT a reaction to training and war. What they did is only testiment to the pure evil within their own hearts!

Personally, I believe that all living things, human, animal and plant alike, are equal is worth and spirit. If these men don't recieve the retrobution they deserve in our legal system, then they WILL meet divine judgement at the hands of the God and Goddess

bluelight
03-04-2008, 02:12 AM
Ok listen up------That is real footage.

I was a soldier in Iraq, I have seen with my own two eyes soldiers torture dogs out there for sport, for boredom.

People in my company would do target practice on stray dogs. I remember one time everyone having a ball cuz two dogs were fucking, and one SGT aimed at the male, killed him on the spot and the female took off running scared shitless with the dead male dog still attached to her.

War is a terrible thing that brings out the worst in a lot of people. I've seen it, and I'm proud to say I kept my sanity and openly disapproved of that sort of behavior. But, you guys would be surprised at the amount of normal-seeming people totally flip the script over there. You have no idea.

That puppy video is only scratching the surface.

bluelight
03-04-2008, 02:15 AM
What these men did was NOT a reaction to training and war. What they did is only testiment to the pure evil within their own hearts!

Nadia is completely right.

Jeska
03-04-2008, 03:41 AM
The soldiers mother defended his actions on his bebo page.. I guess it is real. >:( http://forums.myspace.com/p/3815631/39187152.aspx?fuseaction=forums.viewpost

Tauries
03-04-2008, 04:42 AM
The soldiers mother defended his actions on his bebo page.. I guess it is real. >:(

This looked fake to me. As far as his mom defending her son making it real...I would think again. Her tone indicates she and her sons life have been threatened...she is asking for people to wait and see what really transpired before doing something stupid...not alot to ask in my book. If it is real and the dog was not dead then he will get what he deserves hopefully.

Lysondra
03-04-2008, 04:43 AM
Ok listen up------That is real footage.

I was a soldier in Iraq, I have seen with my own two eyes soldiers torture dogs out there for sport, for boredom.

People in my company would do target practice on stray dogs. I remember one time everyone having a ball cuz two dogs were fucking, and one SGT aimed at the male, killed him on the spot and the female took off running scared shitless with the dead male dog still attached to her.

War is a terrible thing that brings out the worst in a lot of people. I've seen it, and I'm proud to say I kept my sanity and openly disapproved of that sort of behavior. But, you guys would be surprised at the amount of normal-seeming people totally flip the script over there. You have no idea.

That puppy video is only scratching the surface.

Your theory is it's real because worse things have happened?

GoldCoastGirl
03-04-2008, 06:42 AM
I still am in the "it is fake" camp. Regardless of whether animal abuse actually happens during war-time is irrelevant.. we are speaking about THIS specific video. As other people have already pointed out... the whole dog not flailing about when it is thrown is a HUGE indicator for me that it is fake not just the fact that the sound is fucked.

Plus again.. why would someone want to incriminate himself like that when there are real crazy people out there (some of them belong to PETA) that will do him harm..

Whilst it may happen.. and I do not doubt it does.. we are speaking about this SPECIFIC video.

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 07:38 AM
I've done worse to humans during my stints abroad. Ever see what happens when mortars hit near somebody? Getting shot is no picnic either.

None of you are crying for the poor Iraqis.

War does indeed change your sensitivities to death and life. Different people have different reactions to it. Some have a reflex to cherish life nore, some find it cheapened, some just hide it and keep it moving.

And yes, those are Marines. We don't wear flag and unit patches to gaudy up our uniforms like the army.

As far as the dog being real or not, I dunno. I was never bored enough to torture animals(or people). But some people love that kind of stuff.

You guys should hear what we do to cute bunnies in Mountain Warfare training. WE EAT THEM!

beauty21queen
03-04-2008, 07:58 AM
^ NO not cute bunnies!!! I love bunnies!!

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 08:01 AM
Yup.

Eyes and all, too. They have electrolytes, like gatorade.

beauty21queen
03-04-2008, 08:06 AM
:weeping: I will rescue them :smellie_b Hmmm ive actually heard that rabbits are really good better than chicken is that true? I've had like 5 bunnies in my life and everyone always wanted to eat them and I thought they were crazy./:O

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 08:09 AM
They taste like stripper.

Who will rescue the strippers if you rescue the bunnies?

Jenny
03-04-2008, 08:17 AM
I've done worse to humans during my stints abroad. Ever see what happens when mortars hit near somebody? Getting shot is no picnic either.

None of you are crying for the poor Iraqis.

A) some of us are; it's hardly an "either/or" situation;
B) this is an act of sadism, not an act of war. If hurling a puppy off a cliff was about to bring peace to the middle east, people might see it as a bit more necessary.

beauty21queen
03-04-2008, 08:19 AM
I shall save them both them . Why in the world did I just think about the zombie stripper movie ?

Vyanka
03-04-2008, 08:22 AM
I saw this video somewhere else yesterday. It's pretty sickening. It reminded me of that horrible "animal crushing to death" fetish video.

Disgusting.

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 08:23 AM
Acts of War ARE Acts of Sadism - Sh0t

None of our actions are bringing peace to the middle east.

War is cruelty writ large just with attempts to justify it.

Jenny
03-04-2008, 08:30 AM
That is just not true. You have a faulty understanding of "sadism" and "war" or you are attempting to vastly oversimplify the issues to conflate them. Or you know - so it seems to me.

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 08:44 AM
It actually is that simple. War IS sadism. It's mass killing, mass destruction, etc. Somebody gains, to be sure, but these are a slim, slim minority of those involved.
The dead gain nothing.

This is also why the "enemy" must always be dehumanized as an OFFICIAL protocol of training combat troops.

I think my understanding of war is pretty good.


Or maybe War is a Racket...

pookie
03-04-2008, 08:47 AM
I regret opening this thread. I did not watch the video, but the horrible things that people do just disgusts me. May that guy rot.

Bella21
03-04-2008, 10:18 AM
HOW FUCKING DARE PEOPLE JUSTIFY WHAT THESE SORRY DISGUSTING INGRATE BASTARDS DID TO THAT POOR ANIMAL AS "BEING FUCKED UP AFTER TRAINING AND WAR"?!!!


Um, I hope you're talking about comments you saw on youtube because no one HERE is justifying what they did on any level...

Bella21
03-04-2008, 10:21 AM
Ok listen up------That is real footage.

I was a soldier in Iraq, I have seen with my own two eyes soldiers torture dogs out there for sport, for boredom.

People in my company would do target practice on stray dogs. I remember one time everyone having a ball cuz two dogs were fucking, and one SGT aimed at the male, killed him on the spot and the female took off running scared shitless with the dead male dog still attached to her.

War is a terrible thing that brings out the worst in a lot of people. I've seen it, and I'm proud to say I kept my sanity and openly disapproved of that sort of behavior. But, you guys would be surprised at the amount of normal-seeming people totally flip the script over there. You have no idea.

That puppy video is only scratching the surface.

There's something extra disgusting about that story that I can't even put my finger on exactly. >:(

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 10:28 AM
I'm against cruelty to animals the same way I'm against cruelty to humans. It is extra disgusting.

I'm all for killing animals for food but I don't get any joy from doing it for sport (never enjoyed hunting ANIMALS).

It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem because there is no question violent people tend toward certain duties(admittedly, I'm included), but the presence of violence can change your perspective of it.

It's one social result of the carnage of war.

Should the Marine be punished for what he did? I don't think so, unless the dog belonged to somebody putting forth a claim. I would punish those who got us there in the first place, however.

cameron_keys
03-04-2008, 10:29 AM
It actually is that simple. War IS sadism. It's mass killing, mass destruction, etc. Somebody gains, to be sure, but these are a slim, slim minority of those involved.
The dead gain nothing.

This is also why the "enemy" must always be dehumanized as an OFFICIAL protocol of training combat troops.

I think my understanding of war is pretty good.


Or maybe War is a Racket...


This is exactly why I have never supported the war in Iraq. That doesnt mean I dont feel for the innocent people being killed. This puppy,if it is real, which I doubt even though, yes I know horrible things happen and people go nuts during war...had NOTHING to do with it. It would be the same if they were tossing a baby off a cliff...theres no possible way it had anything to do with the war.

Pretty_Penny
03-04-2008, 10:30 AM
it's hit the mainstream news now. it was the lead story on the latest fox news.

hockeybobby
03-04-2008, 10:36 AM
I'm against cruelty to animals the same way I'm against cruelty to humans. It is extra disgusting.

I'm all for killing animals for food but I don't get any joy from doing it for sport (never enjoyed hunting ANIMALS).

It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem because there is no question violent people tend toward certain duties(admittedly, I'm included), but the presence of violence can change your perspective of it.

It's one social result of the carnage of war.

Should the Marine be punished for what he did? I don't think so, unless the dog belonged to somebody putting forth a claim. I would punish those who got us there in the first place, however.

I believe he should be punished. He's not only broken the law, but he's demeaned and disrespected himself, his mates, his army, and his country. He'll be punished for justice, deterence, and for symbolism/appearance sake.

hb

britt244
03-04-2008, 10:36 AM
I've done worse to humans during my stints abroad. Ever see what happens when mortars hit near somebody? Getting shot is no picnic either.

None of you are crying for the poor Iraqis.

War does indeed change your sensitivities to death and life. Different people have different reactions to it. Some have a reflex to cherish life nore, some find it cheapened, some just hide it and keep it moving.

And yes, those are Marines. We don't wear flag and unit patches to gaudy up our uniforms like the army.

As far as the dog being real or not, I dunno. I was never bored enough to torture animals(or people). But some people love that kind of stuff.

You guys should hear what we do to cute bunnies in Mountain Warfare training. WE EAT THEM!


i wanted to stay away from this thread because my opinion isnt a favorite of many people. first off, let me say i do not support this war. and with troops like that, how the fuck are you supposed to support them? i support a certain kind of person who goes off to war, but there is no collective group that i think i would ever support - in terms of anything.

second, people are crying for an animal but not the iraqis? you dont know that, BUT, i personally would rather a human be killed than an animal. sorry, just how i am. (thats the part i know from the past some of you have a problem with, and why i didnt want to come into this thread)

and "some people love that kind of stuff" - yes, those people are not right in the head. truthfully. when serial killers are studied, 9 times out of 10 you find that as a child, they liked to hurt/kill animals. i personally think something already has to be wrong, and it isnt coming from the war, to make a person want to torture an animal. *especially* a puppy. a puppy is a common pet.. its not a hunted animal or anything like that - not that that's ok either, just showing how much worse it makes it.

cameron_keys
03-04-2008, 10:40 AM
I agree Britt. War doesnt do this to every soldier...it takes a certain type of person to blur the lines between acceptable war actions and torturing an innocent baby animal

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 10:55 AM
To Britt,

I don't think you should support troops if you disagree with their actions. we all have a conscience and should follow it. That's why I left military when I could. My views changed and I became incompatible with it.

I know that some people are crying for the Iraqis, but referring to earlier in this thread, nobody had yet expressed it.

As far as humans versus animals, I relate more humans, but I leave animals alone if I can help it. I don't think your view is unreasonable, since humans have a free will to be immoral and be loathed. Animals in a sense, "can't help themselves."

To Ms. Keys,
Everybody is effected by it but how it does so varies. I don't feel bad or good about my own actions. I'm just glad to have a desk job now.

The thing is, I often disagree with what "acceptable war actions" are. To me, much of what is done in war is unacceptable, especially the modern idea of almost total war, where populations and military become fused in the conceptual "enemy". I also don't think people that are military are necessarily guilty and deserving of engagement to begin with.

I also don't fault anybody defending themselves.

Shakespeare mocked us 500 years ago in Henry V, crying about "how dare they attack us" when we are over there.

cameron_keys
03-04-2008, 11:06 AM
To Ms. Keys,
Everybody is effected by it but how it does so varies. I don't feel bad or good about my own actions. I'm just glad to have a desk job now.

The thing is, I often disagree with what "acceptable war actions" are. To me, much of what is done in war is unacceptable, especially the modern idea of almost total war, where populations and military become fused in the conceptual "enemy". I also don't think people that are military are necessarily guilty and deserving of engagement to begin with.

I also don't fault anybody defending themselves.

Shakespeare mocked us 500 years ago in Henry V, crying about "how dare they attack us" when we are over there.
Thats true..but saying "its war" is not IMO an excuse. I've known quite a few soldiers..Army Rangers, Navy Seals, Marines...who were in war and were screwed up in the head from it and none of them would deliberatly torture an innocent puppy for no reason(not that there IS an acceptable reason). Thats in you war or not...I'd be perfectly fine with killing a human..esp if it was in defense. Killing an animal would destroy me. I've put down animals in the past when I worked in the hospital and it destroyed me every time. And that was justifiable and humane.

Bella21
03-04-2008, 11:12 AM
This reminds me of the Stanford Prison Experiment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

britt244
03-04-2008, 11:16 AM
To Britt,

I don't think you should support troops if you disagree with their actions. we all have a conscience and should follow it. That's why I left military when I could. My views changed and I became incompatible with it.

I know that some people are crying for the Iraqis, but referring to earlier in this thread, nobody had yet expressed it.

As far as humans versus animals, I relate more humans, but I leave animals alone if I can help it. I don't think your view is unreasonable, since humans have a free will to be immoral and be loathed. Animals in a sense, "can't help themselves."


i dont necessarily support the troops. as i said, i have trouble supporting entire groups at all. but i do think you can support people without supporting their actions. if my best friend had cancer and chose a natural healing method over medicine, i would not agree with it, but i would still support her. does that make sense? i think a lot of things go into it, and a lot of education. but i dont think that you have to support both or neither.

the reason no one expressed it was because this thread isnt about them. it's about a poor puppy. :(

i dont think my view is unreasonable either, but some people do. some people cant understand why i feel that way and think that makes *me* kind of screwed up.

Pretty_Penny
03-04-2008, 11:19 AM
as far as supporting the troupes VS supporting the war...

i have a friend in the navy and while i don't agree with the war i'm sure there are many men and women over there who don't as well. sure, there's a lot of assholes in the service. but to say you have to be an asshole in the first place to join the service? (not that anyone HERE did, but i know people do) i don't think so. some people (like my friend) come from low income families and were simply looking for a good way to get an education while making decent income. not all of them signed up knowing they would be participating in an unjust war. some of them believed (maybe naively) that they would only be in combat situations if completely neeeded. also, saying anything like "you have to be ...... to be in the service in the first place" is like saying you have to be a junkie, whore, or abuse victim to be a stripper.

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 11:20 AM
The people who would really willing torture animals are bad candiates for the most cerebral units such as SEALs, etc. That's my theory.

People told me I smiled too much for my MOS.

One of my mentors is a retired Scout/Sniper. I go hunting with him, but I mostly just hold his gear because I while I enjoy the stalking, I don't really like shooting them. I eat the fish I catch when I go fishing, though. Yum.

To be an asshole to be in? Not really.

But assholes gravitate toward certain jobs. A lot daydream about being petty managers so they can boss people around, etc. My Strengths Finder score and MBTI tells me I like to lead via sharing my visions. I'm not an authoritarian.

But I served(and work now) alongside MANY.

britt244
03-04-2008, 11:22 AM
as far as supporting the troupes VS supporting the war...

i have a friend in the navy and while i don't agree with the war i'm sure there are many men and women over there who don't as well. sure, there's a lot of assholes in the service. but to say you have to be an asshole in the first place to join the service? (not that anyone HERE did, but i know people do) i don't think so. some people (like my friend) come from low income families and were simply looking for a good way to get an education while making decent income. not all of them signed up knowing they would be participating in an unjust war. some of them believed (maybe naively) that they would only be in combat situations if completely neeeded. also, saying anything like "you have to be ...... to be in the service in the first place" is like saying you have to be a junkie, whore, or abuse victim to be a stripper.

see, but i think there are so many wrong reasons people get involved in the military. im not saying anything bad about your friend at all, but some people see it as an easy way out and thats why they choose the education and good income. i personally dont think thats a good reason to be part of something that may or may not send you into a war.

TheSexKitten
03-04-2008, 04:15 PM
see, but i think there are so many wrong reasons people get involved in the military. im not saying anything bad about your friend at all, but some people see it as an easy way out and thats why they choose the education and good income. i personally dont think thats a good reason to be part of something that may or may not send you into a war.

If they're prepared to accept the consequences of joining up, then I don't think it's a bad reason at all. How else would the military get anyone involved?

Also, I disagree with the earlier statement "I would rather a human get killed than an animal"

I would rather a violent human get killed than anything. The innocent people who get caught up in violence over there are honestly more of a concern than one isolated incident of a sick sociopathic bastard killing a puppy. Although I do hope he gets royally fisted by the law.

So, in general terms, I support the troops (as a whole... they need it or else we have new Vietnam vets), but in no way do I support the unprovoked war. Or puppy killing. That makes me want to have that son of a bitch drawn and quartered.

Bella21
03-04-2008, 04:29 PM
i personally would rather a human be killed than an animal.


I'd be perfectly fine with killing a human

Noooo! Spare me, please! *hides* ;D

(I'm teasing. I'm assuming that you mean the type of human's who don't deserve to live instead of an innocent animal, right?)

xdamage
03-04-2008, 04:31 PM
In theory we don't target civilians, but collateral damage is tolerated to some degree (there is can of worms miles deep and wide). In theory torturing civilians and torturing POWs is not allowed. In theory our enemy is humans because of their intellect, and access to weapons that make it possible for them to commit acts of violence against us. I'm all in favor of choosing us over them, but there is no issue of us versus the puppies.

I fail to see how torturing doggies then fits into any of this other then someone gets a kick out of seeing another creature in pain. In which case... we have to assume they are too dense to really grasp the heinous and pointless nature of the act, and probably won't until/if they are similarly tortured for no purpose other then to see them suffer. Perhaps they would then make the logic connection why the majority agree this is evil without needing to learn it or engage in learning it the hard way. Simple extrapolation of "I wouldn't want to be treated like that" and simple logic of "the puppy is not our enemy nor does it have the potential to be" should suffice.

britt244
03-04-2008, 04:38 PM
Noooo! Spare me, please! *hides* ;D

(I'm teasing. I'm assuming that you mean the type of human's who don't deserve to live instead of an innocent animal, right?)

i dont mean horrible people who did horrible things. i would rather a person be harmed than an animal, in general. if someone is getting hit by a car, horrible as it may sound to you, i'd rather want it to be a human being than a puppy or cat.

Ava Jadore
03-04-2008, 05:07 PM
So, in general terms, I support the troops (as a whole... they need it or else we have new Vietnam vets), but in no way do I support the unprovoked war. Or puppy killing. That makes me want to have that son of a bitch drawn and quartered.

I just wanted to say thank you for saying that. I've debated if I should respond to this post but I think I have too much personal attachment for it to be logical.

cameron_keys
03-04-2008, 05:17 PM
Noooo! Spare me, please! *hides* ;D

(I'm teasing. I'm assuming that you mean the type of human's who don't deserve to live instead of an innocent animal, right?)

Yes thats what I mean. Though I see animals who attack as still more innocent then humans who do..animals rarely attack unless they have a reason. They are provoked, or it is instinctual as predators..humans on the other hand attack many times out of sheer cruelty or greed.

Just in general I like animals more then humans....animals let you down and screw you over far less often.

Bella21
03-04-2008, 05:40 PM
i dont mean horrible people who did horrible things. i would rather a person be harmed than an animal, in general. if someone is getting hit by a car, horrible as it may sound to you, i'd rather want it to be a human being than a puppy or cat.

So, if a two year old girl and a two year old puppy were hanging off of a cliff, you'd save the puppy?

xdamage
03-04-2008, 05:46 PM
So, in general terms, I support the troops (as a whole... they need it or else we have new Vietnam vets), but in no way do I support the unprovoked war. Or puppy killing.

Well said. The hard part is I don't honestly know how well I'd behave if I was in the soldier's shoes, but nevertheless, checks and balances between people are necessary, even between soldiers, officers, and civilians. The old saying applies, absolute power corrupts absolutely. In a soldiers part of the world, abuse of power is as likely as in anyone else's, so I can despise the act, and want it stopped, without judging the person... there is a very real possibility if I was in their shoes I'd commit some heinous acts of my own. Such is war.

GoldCoastGirl
03-04-2008, 06:59 PM
So, if a two year old girl and a two year old puppy were hanging off of a cliff, you'd save the puppy?

I can't speak for anyone else except myself: Yes I would save the puppy.

I'm with cameron. Animals work on an instinctual level. When they attack and/or kill it is very easy to know how and/or why... they don't do it for "pleasure" usually.

Whereas we WILL hunt for "sport" and "greed" ... and not for survival.

The human race won't be dying out anytime soon unless something cataclysmic happens due to our sheer numbers as well as the fact that we (in some form or another) can be found ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE on this planet (generally speaking).




Anyway... back to the video... I still think it is fake.

britt244
03-04-2008, 07:01 PM
So, if a two year old girl and a two year old puppy were hanging off of a cliff, you'd save the puppy?

i would try to save them both. i mean, how many instances are there going to be where either a child or an animal will die? if an animal is going to harm a child, like has been said, it's probably been provoked. it isnt that animals fault.

i guess i should put children and animals in the same category. other humans can be separate from children.

Sh0t
03-04-2008, 07:08 PM
I'm a definite speciesist. I'd save the child.

It might grow up to be a racist, join the KKK, and then lynch me, but at least it would get me in the paper.

beauty21queen
03-04-2008, 07:15 PM
I would let the animal die .I really dont give a damn really about animals at all .There cute and all but I really dont care .I dont understand why people dont kill those dogs and cats in the shelters but whatever .There are way too many cats and dogs all over the place and they annoy me .

britt244
03-04-2008, 07:23 PM
I'm a definite speciesist. I'd save the child.

It might grow up to be a racist, join the KKK, and then lynch me, but at least it would get me in the paper.

you'd get in the paper too if you saved the dog and let the kid go ;)

Jenny
03-04-2008, 07:27 PM
I haven't seen this video; but... is there some reason that we're assuming that this is taking place in a war zone? I ask because I've seen it hypothesized that he was not.