View Full Version : american soldier throws puppy off of cliff
britt244
03-04-2008, 07:29 PM
I haven't seen this video; but... is there some reason that we're assuming that this is taking place in a war zone? I ask because I've seen it hypothesized that he was not.
i didnt watch it either. but even if it wasnt happening *in* a war zone, i think people are assuming he's *been* to war. which is a very good point youre making.
though i heard something on the radio today of other pictures and footage and im pretty sure those were in war zones. im not sure bc i changed the station pretty quick, not wanting to hear about it.
Jenny
03-04-2008, 07:33 PM
It's just that the issue of war time and the human life comparison I don't think works as well if dude is in Hawaii.
SnakeBabe
03-04-2008, 07:44 PM
My roommate just told me it could be real but not actually a marine. Just some anti- war people dressed as marines doing things like this.
Still sick
VegasPrincess
03-04-2008, 07:48 PM
^^^^ seriously sick.
Zinaida
03-04-2008, 08:55 PM
I can't watch it. Horrible that shit like this happens all around the world every minute.
hockeybobby
03-04-2008, 09:00 PM
It's just that the issue of war time and the human life comparison I don't think works as well if dude is in Hawaii.
That will just add to the surreal WTFness of it all Jenny.
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I cant click it... honestly, I will be a fucking wreck for DAYS if I do. Whether or not it is real, that guy (guys?) are true scumbags and should be beaten with a shovel. Makes me fuckin SICK>!!!!!
GoldCoastGirl
03-04-2008, 09:37 PM
I would let the animal die .I really dont give a damn really about animals at all .There cute and all but I really dont care .I dont understand why people dont kill those dogs and cats in the shelters but whatever .There are way too many cats and dogs all over the place and they annoy me .
Are we talking all animals or just specifically cats/dogs? Because if you are talking ALL animals... um... you and i wouldn't exist and be able to live/survive without them.
Animals have just as much a right (if not more) to exist as we do.. and they are just as much a part of the ECOSYSTEM which we all need to live/survive.
Animals means from the smallest ant to the largest animal you can think of... even plankton.. even animals that live at the depths of the earth's ocean.
So you best qualify your above statement to say only cats/dogs.
I adore cats/dogs/animals yet when a cat/dog goes feral (especially a cat) I will not hesitate to shoot it. Just like rabbits, they're a pest here in Australia.. so shooting rabbits is okay (the wild ones not someone's pet).
cameron_keys
03-04-2008, 09:48 PM
I would let the animal die .I really dont give a damn really about animals at all .There cute and all but I really dont care .I dont understand why people dont kill those dogs and cats in the shelters but whatever .There are way too many cats and dogs all over the place and they annoy me .
Wow.This is really sad.Sorry the human implimented overpopulation annoys you. Guess we should punish the animals yet again for humans fuck ups.
I like you less now I have to say.That was pretty damn cold
xdamage
03-04-2008, 10:07 PM
...I really dont give a damn really about animals at all .There cute and all but I really dont care .I dont understand why people dont kill those dogs and cats in the shelters but whatever .There are way too many cats and dogs all over the place and they annoy me .
I can vaguely understand not caring, but "they annoy me"??? :O
p.s., but I guess I needed a reminder... yep, even outside of a war environment, there are people walking around who see animals as less then neutral, a personal annoyance. Sigh.
beauty21queen
03-04-2008, 10:25 PM
Oh blah I would never kill an animal myself ever .The only reason why cats and dogs annoyed me is because they were everywhere in San Antonio and they would almost make me crash or something because I didn't want to run them over .
Paris
03-04-2008, 10:34 PM
I just saw a news report on TV about this video. It is being investigated by the marines. The man throwing the puppy has been identified and is a marine stationed in Iraq, from a from a base out of Hawaii.
His name is being withheld until it is confirmed whether the video is real or a fake.
Lysondra
03-05-2008, 12:09 AM
^ Withheld except it's posted everywhere who he is.. heh.
GoldCoastGirl
03-05-2008, 12:10 AM
Oh blah I would never kill an animal myself ever .The only reason why cats and dogs annoyed me is because they were everywhere in San Antonio and they would almost make me crash or something because I didn't want to run them over .
Um. News flash. That is not their fault they were "all over the place" there.. they are doing what we all are pre-programmed to do ultimately: breed. The reason why they are "all over the place" is thanks to us humans NOT DESEXING OUR PETS .. and then if it becomes too hard to look after an animal abandoning it.. if this problem annoys you.. then do something about it.
I support my local animal shelter as whilst they do euthanise animals.. they also try to educate the public about RESPONSIBLE PET OWNERSHIP.
It's irresponsible pet ownership that has caused your problem so please do not blame the animals.
I do not blame the rabbits, cane toads and other introduced pests for being pests.. I blame us.. I blame the stupid humans who thought it was a good idea..
Joplin
03-05-2008, 12:31 AM
I'm a definite speciesist. I'd save the child.
It might grow up to be a racist, join the KKK, and then lynch me, but at least it would get me in the paper.
bahahahahaha WTF????? Thats halariously random!
If we asked the dogs, they might prefer being tossed off a cliff instead of being castrated.
Naida
03-05-2008, 02:36 AM
None of you are crying for the poor Iraqis.
I'm sorry if I some how gave the impression that I care more for the dog than the humans involved in this war. I'll admit that I hear about the people involved in this war so often that I've become a bit de-sensitized to hearing about it, but by all means, I still feel the same way.
As a Wiccan, I suppose the best way for me to describe it is that when one of our men comes underfire- hell yeah, shoot the bitch! But that's purely a matter of defending himself. Defending yourselves and those around you from an offensive attack is justifiable to me. But whenever you attack something or some one who is not posing a threat to you- like those puppies, or innocent Iraqis, who are supportive and NOT attacking our military men- I believe that you should be punished in the same manner. If not by our government, then by the hand of Father and Mother when your judgement day is at hand.
xdamage
03-05-2008, 07:47 AM
Oh blah I would never kill an animal myself ever .The only reason why cats and dogs annoyed me is because they were everywhere in San Antonio and they would almost make me crash or something because I didn't want to run them over .
I am not completely unreasonable, it's just that I have had three pets in my life, loved them all, and you have to admit it unusual to think of pets as an annoyance.
For example, we have a problem around here with deer. Unfortunately they are involved in many car accidents each year, on occasion resulting in driver injury, even death. These animals are wild, and not tamable, so the hunters are permitted to kill them in greater numbers. I can understand in this case why people see them as a nuisance, for the same reason they view other wild animals like rats as health risks and pests that invade human dwellings.
I guess I prefer GoldCoastGirl's view on the matter. Humans cross bred, and domesticated these animals, so if there is a problem with over breeding, we humans are, in part, responsible for it.
cameron_keys
03-05-2008, 09:07 AM
If we asked the dogs, they might prefer being tossed off a cliff instead of being castrated.
Somehow I doubt that. Animals dont have the same hangups with sexuality humans do. I think my pets are much happier fixed and loved and healthy and curled up sleeping on my bed then they would be if I tossed them over a cliff and tortured them.
And thank you GCG...yes...animals become "pests" because of HUMANS. People not fixing their animals and letting them continue to contribute to overpopulation. People building 87536465 strip malls and Starbucks taking over land that used to belong to the animals forcing them into smaller and smaller areas.HUMANS are the pests...not animals.
Ava Jadore
03-05-2008, 05:21 PM
holly bajesus....I think this video/thread touches on waaaayy too many soft spots! The troops, the war, animal rights...it's sort of overwhelming really. It hits a nerve for just about everyone.
It makes me think about the role youtube plays in our society now. That is where it first surfaced correct?
AtomicPunk
03-05-2008, 07:49 PM
If anyone's interested this is a blog entry from that Marine about the puppy he threw off the cliff.It was a bulletin sent to me on myspace.This was just the top of the iceberg tho.This cats life has become a living hell
Category: Life
The Sergeant Major called me in today and it looks like they found out about the dog thing. I don't know who it was who put it on fucking youtube, but man they are not happy... They were even talking about court martialing me, but they better not. It wouldn't be fair because they didn't court martial the last guy they caught fucking with a dog.
Shit, atleast i was humane about it. That guy from motor transport shot a dog in the stomach in front of the Major and everyone thought it was funny. I fuck up and it gets on TV and all of a sudden it's wrong. This is some BS. POS media, always sticking its nose where it doesn't belong
DOG KILLERS EXCUSE - PLUS HE BASICALLY ADMITS GUILT
I want to clear somethings up before tomarrow. This might be hard to believe but I am sorry about the dog. At the time I just really didn't care. When you are constantly under fire sometimes people develope a different sence of humor than what others are used to. That video was from over a year ago and i dont know who put it out there but it wasn't me. It has been a real hard day. I don't know how they got my information but someone got all my information and i had to disconnect my parents and my womans phone. not to mention i had to redo my myspace because it got hacked. I just want this to end.
#1 rule in military: Don't get caught
I feel for him though. He is going to get kh'ed when I know much worse has been done and condoned.
The officers can't totally restrict the troops without having morale plunge to mutiny-like levels.
His life is going to be in the shitter if he gets a dishonorable discharge and/or serves time for this.
I know some will think that's just but I just can't wish it on him.
cameron_keys
03-05-2008, 08:32 PM
I think it;s just. He deserves to be court martialed and dishonorably discharged. He admits guilt,shows no remorse(and I dont consider his pathetic "I'm sorry about the puppy" remorse...he's obviously just sorry he got caught) and his argument is that other people did it so its ok. WTF??
So I guess its ok if other people fly planes into our buildings because hey...Bin Ladin did it and got away with it. Come on now...sorry, but he damn well knew it was wrong and he was stupid enough to tape himself doing it.
And "they better not"???? Is he 12?? Arent our soldiers taught responsibility for their actions anymore? This guy needs to go away for awhile to beat some damn sense into his thick immature skull.
jessica_rabbit
03-05-2008, 08:41 PM
I know people make mistakes but I just can't feel sorry for him. When you do something like that, what do you expect? Actions do have consequences afterall. Maybe these idiot kids will think twice next time. Just because someone else killed an innocent puppy and got away with it does NOT make it ok. Ugh. I want to write more but I'm just so sickened and frustrated and it doesn't make a helluva difference what I have to say anyway. But he's getting what's been coming to him.
AtomicPunk
03-05-2008, 08:49 PM
Okay this is from another bulletin I was sent.I wasn't going to post it but.....I doubt anyone will click the links and I wouldn't blame you.I debated on whether to post the links or just the titles.i was sent a lot more than this these are just a few examples.Also I'm not posting this to depress or sicken anyone nor to defend this cat.I just wanted to show he's not the only one nor is he the only one who taped it.
Soldiers blow up dog, find it funny
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a4b_1198349822
Soldiers blow up another dog, find it funny
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1be_1204379225&p=1
Soldiers, tormenting a dog...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fy_BSksdvAM
Soldiers throw grenade at sheepherder/sheep and find it funny
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ULcj-Epr1rI&
Scaring an injured puppy repeatedly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK2BTt9_YJk
Blowing up a kitten and cheering
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=64d_1199566522&p=1
Soldiers killing civilians in front of their children
http://www.video.cnn08.com/?v=US_Soldiers_Killing_Civilians_In_Front_Of_Their _Children
bluelight
03-05-2008, 08:54 PM
Your theory is it's real because worse things have happened?
My theory is it's real because it happens all the time. It's an accepted form of fun in many companies.
cameron_keys
03-05-2008, 08:54 PM
^^ and why arent these guys being investigated as well? They should be...
AtomicPunk
03-05-2008, 09:04 PM
^^^^^ That's exactly why I posted the other links.He's not hardly the only one but he's being singled out and put thru hell which IMO isn't rite.The Military is trying to spin it by pretending to care.
Also here's a link to ABC News defending it
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2008/030508_runs_defense.htm
bluelight
03-05-2008, 09:10 PM
^^^^In the military people usually protect each other from trouble. Either officers sit back and watch, participate, are indifferent about it, or soldiers get a slap on the hand. Understand it's NO BIG DEAL for many soldiers over there. It's like a past-time.
It's hard to get in trouble when there is no evidence and it didn't get leaked into you tube. That's why he got into trouble, cuz civilians found out and had an outcry. But do you seriously think soldiers get yelled at by their own chain of command while doing it?? NO, they get told off for filming it and leaking it back home.
I don't condone their behavior, when I saw it I was not into it. My squad leader was telling me to take a shot at the dogs, I looked at him crazy, said NO, and walked back to my vehicle. There were others like me, who refused to watch. Not many only like 5. This is out of dozens of soldiers in my company. Everyone was laughing.
BalletBaby
03-05-2008, 09:14 PM
^^^^^ That's exactly why I posted the other links to show he's not the only one.The Military is trying to spin it by pretending they care and here's a link to ABC News defending it
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2008/030508_runs_defense.htm
"The monsters at Abu Ghraib were following orders when they raped people with poles soaked in battery acid - their horrendous enjoyment of it was not a way of "coping with a tough environment," it was a reflection of the fact that they are bloodthirsty psychopaths who should be locked up - not in Iraq attempting to "liberate Iraqis" by molesting children in front of their parents."
I never supported the war, but DEAR GOD, this, THIS, is what our country is spending billions of dollars on??? I'm gonna go throw up now.
cameron_keys
03-05-2008, 09:21 PM
^^^^^ That's exactly why I posted the other links.He's not hardly the only one but he's being singled out and put thru hell which IMO isn't rite.The Military is trying to spin it by pretending to care.
Also here's a link to ABC News defending it
He deserves to be put through hell. They ALL do. The military HAS to punish him because they cant cover this up..its already leaked. Not punishing him would be like the US government officially ok-ing this behavior.NOt a good idea for a government fighting a war that most americans now do not agree with.
AtomicPunk
03-05-2008, 09:24 PM
All I'm saying is he shouldn't be singled out.I was agreeing with you they should all be punished not just make an exmaple of this one cat.All these vids are beging leaked, there's now dozens if not hundreds and they can't continue to cover it up.
If my thoughts see, jumbled it's b/c I'm a bit on pverload rite now.I'm just giving you a small sample of what I've been getting.
bluelight
03-05-2008, 09:33 PM
He deserves to be put through hell. They ALL do. The military HAS to punish him because they cant cover this up..its already leaked. Not punishing him would be like the US government officially ok-ing this behavior.NOt a good idea for a government fighting a war that most americans now do not agree with.
Oh he'll definitely be punished. When faced with the media, the military usually has no other choice. But it won't stop. Not completely. Worse things are going on than these animals. It's war. As long as there is war, there will be atrocities happening all the time. It's human history.
TheSexKitten
03-05-2008, 10:42 PM
I fucking hate humans.
xdamage
03-05-2008, 10:52 PM
I fucking hate humans.
When they do things like throwing puppies off cliffs for amusement I have to say I agree. Fortunately there are other times that I feel less embittered towards humans.
GoldCoastGirl
03-07-2008, 04:47 AM
I'm with xdamage.
AtomicPunk ... Those videos are deplorable. One of them was removed on YouTube and another I couldn't watch due to being on a MacBook .... yet I did watch the other videos. *sigh* I just got to remember all the good people out there that wouldn't dare think about doing what these bastards have done "for amusement".
If it isn't animals, it is each other (other humans)... Gladitors anyone? The Collosium in Rome is a prime example. Goodness, we all have paid good money to watch MOVIES where people are blown up, killed, blah blah... and whilst that is FICTIONAL.. we do like watching it don't we?
Just part of being human. It's the dualistic nature of this universe. I accept that.
Doesn't mean I have to like it.
Djoser
03-07-2008, 07:32 AM
Also here's a link to ABC News defending it
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2008/030508_runs_defense.htm
Fuck! Why did I have to click that link? Just seeing the picture made me feel ill.
I dunno, I've read about atrocities through the ages, being an avid reader of military history. Read enough of that, and you become aware of the incredible brutality towards helpless beings that war conditions tends to stimulate.
Men exposed to the stress of battle, or the constant threat of imminent death, tend to become something other than ordinarily human. It's not always in a bad way--you get guys leaping on grenades to save their brothers' lives, as well as guys who rape and torture children.
No country's troops are immune to this sadistic impulse. Much ado was made of the brutal massacre of over a hundred US G.I's at Malmedy in WWII, but Americans butchered disarmed prisoners as well on many occasions, in all the theatres of war. We won so the Nuremburg Trials were held by Americans and British. The Canadians and the 12th SS 'Hitler Youth' fighting in Normandy were notorious at the time for taking no prisoners, or killing them later.
OTOH, there is something more going on. There is an innate sadism in people, some more than others, that tends to come out under certain circumstances more than others. Like the kids I knew in Maine, who loved shooting and deliberately wounding birds so they could watch them drown. Many of the prison guards guilty of torturing or abusing inmates didn't start off like that, from what I have read concerning the problem.
I'd still like to see that soldier get trussed up and tossed onto sharp rocks, though...
xdamage
03-07-2008, 07:40 AM
...
Men exposed to the stress of battle, or the constant threat of imminent death, tend to become something other than ordinarily human. It's not always in a bad way--you get guys leaping on grenades to save their brothers' lives, as well as guys who rape and torture children....
I agree, and this is why I posted earlier in this thread, I retain some sense of doubt about myself. Under those circumstances, what/who I think of as myself in the safety of peace is not who I would necessarily be if I was in the soldier's shoes, but that said...
...
OTOH, there is something more going on. There is an innate sadism in people, some more than others, that tends to come out under certain circumstances more than others.
Yea, I recall more than one kid who was expelled during my Elementary through High School years for torturing animals. It may well be that it takes someone with a certain inherent tendency to do this. The sad part though is group mentality, which prevents others around them from saying NO, but instead they end up going along with it for various reasons (e.g., fear of being first to say no; group bonding that is more important in a war situation than an animal; other reasons that are too numerous to mention).