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Jeanette
03-09-2008, 01:44 AM
A hobby is something that is done regularly for pleasure. I can understand why you/people are curious about trying drugs, I think that curiosity is fairly normal, as I assume a pretty large percentage of people have smoked weed, but that's because it's considered to be fairly safe. Harder drugs, the ones that can harm you, and, in turn can have a negative effect on others, well, I don't think anyone is going to endorse doing them on a regular basis. Honestly, if people could do drugs and somehow only affect themselves, and not be a burden/hassle to society, and their families, then I don't care what they do on a regular basis though.

That being said, I've done a few recreational drugs in the past and had mostly positive experiences, and now have no desire to do drugs of really any kind(except caffeine, and alcohol). I was just curious, and was able to get over that curiosity pretty quickly. Luckily I do not have an addictive personality, and was not trying them in a depressed state. I did E on no more than 10 occasions, shrooms, and cocaine a few times( which I decided I really did not like). There are risks involved, and everyone should take that into account when going through their own personal decision making process. Good luck to you, whatever you decide!

Thechaosfairy, great guide to drugs. I learned a few new things!

Andygirl
03-09-2008, 01:44 AM
I think it's fine to do drugs occasionally. You are an adult and it's up to you whether or not you want to do them. You know the risks, you understand the consequences, and because of that you should be able to at least try drugs responsibly. If you turn out to have an addictive personality, you might be in trouble, but otherwise, you might be able to enjoy drugs recreationally like a lot of people do. I don't think the topic necessitates all of the histrionic responses you have gotten in this thread.

Snappa
03-09-2008, 02:02 AM
ketamine is fucking AMAZING.

Argh, it's been almost a decade since I laid my hands on any K. Hadn't even thought of it for a few years. But yes, it sure is. I used to love ketamine and nature. I once took a friend for a walk around the woods on the property I grew up on and introduced him to all the spirits living in my favorite trees. We were totally on a hippie vibe, it just seemed the natural thing to do.

MsQwerty
03-09-2008, 02:25 AM
I think it depends on the individual. Sometimes the more people say dont do something the more inviting the product looks too.
Ultimatly only you can make the choice, but its better to make an informed choice than jump in blindly.

Im not sure what you mean by hard drugs?

Ive tried every illegal drug except PCP, GBH, Fantasy, more than once / several times. This is all years and years ago now, I dont touch anything these days and havent for a long time now.
I am extremely non-addictive and Ive also never found a drug I particularly liked. I think Im lucky there - I had some good fun on drugs but Ive had way more fun without them. I can and do say no - many people cant though.

I have had lots of drug user friends over the years, I did my homework watched and listened to their stories before ever trying anything. Asked / learnt about what to expect, what could go wrong, how long the effects lasted and what to do if something went wrong. I was careful and safe and only took stuff with sensible and responsible people around me.
Ive known some other people who are like me and have never had any problems, but not many in all honesty. Ive known plenty more who have gotten addicted various substances sometimes right from the first time of use. Its worth having a real long hard think about the consequences including what can happen if you just have a bad reaction or experience to which ever is your drug of choice.
Bad trips or allergic reactions can fuck you up badly or for a long time too.
Ive had a few friends come out of drug use with heart problems, epilepsy, mental problems and just premature ageing. Ive seen people who took trips for a while and just were never the same again. Ive seen one or two who just didnt stop tripping. I dont know if it was really worth it for them in the long run.

I have over 100 dead friends who OD'd on heroin and many more (but a substantially less number) who lived to beat the addiction but who lives were wrecked for years by it.
It seems to me that the younger generations now are having lots of terrible problems with ice and hydroponic pot that my generation never had with speed and bush weed. The drugs of the 70s and 80s were nothing like the evil chemicals in drugs today. The long term effects of newer drugs are still not properly known but theyre not looking too good so far given how harsh the short term effects are.

Another thing worth thinking about before you use drugs is that a terrible thing for anyone whos ever developed a drug problem is that drug pushers can spot ex user a mile away. Beating the addiction is something people often have to think about for the rest of their lives. No exageration. Ive seen ex addict friends leave the house to go abut their regular daily tasks. On the way someones offered them a free hit and then theyre back in the vicious circle of addiction again. You might be young and free right now, but down track this sort of thing might effect future relationships and family, not just you.

If you choose to use drugs be safe and remember that a lot of problems and deaths are caused by mixing alcohol with drugs.

I would suggest that if youre feeling wreckless right now its not a good time to experiment anyway.
Drugs are always going to be around, theres no rush :)



Even if only once in a while. Is it ever okay to do drugs ? I mean not weed but a hard drug. What if you really feel like it, and its a safe environment etc. ?

Or is it to be avoided at all costs ?

flickad
03-09-2008, 02:27 AM
i haven't read the whole thread, but i'll be completely honest. i think drugs are awesome. i love drugs. i don't do them all the time, but i love having some coke or an E or some meth or whatever at a party on the odd occasion. this is probably an unpopular opinion but i don't think there's anything wrong with occasionally indulging in some crazy good time fun.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it at a moral level, and my own wild child phase back when I was a young sprite wasn't exactly substance-free. Just from a health perspective I think they're better avoided, especially if we're talking amphetamines. Of course, if you're a responsible user then you're probably going to be fine, statistically speaking. It's just that, if someone asks me whether or not I think they should take a health risk my answer is going to be 'no'.

AlexxaHex
03-09-2008, 04:10 AM
Argh, it's been almost a decade since I laid my hands on any K. Hadn't even thought of it for a few years. But yes, it sure is. I used to love ketamine and nature. I once took a friend for a walk around the woods on the property I grew up on and introduced him to all the spirits living in my favorite trees. We were totally on a hippie vibe, it just seemed the natural thing to do.

For me, the best part about doing K was going inside myself and seeing all kinds of fun stuff in my head. I preferred to be alone or with one other person, in the dark and with low music on.
And oddly enough I enjoyed the comedowns too. It was exhilarating to become sober again, and then maybe do another line. In and out of the rabbit hole...

thechaosfairy
03-09-2008, 04:51 AM
Leaving aside hard drug discussion for a moment... Since some others have opened up on the subject:

Although I'd advise caution with them (as I would with a car! or sex! or many other potent and powerful things that have creative and destructive potential) I think the psychedelics, like LSD and mushrooms and cactus and many more, are an essential part of the human condition. I believe they may have been involved in the first development of consciousness. The ones that arise in nature have been used for thousands of years by every culture that lives where they grow. They're powerful tools for insight.

I wish we lived in a world where teenagers got advice on this, as they do on sex...

In certain cultures, historically, the rite of passage involved hallucinogens, administered by the local version of shaman / medicine man / priest...

These things are powerful and as such can be misused easily by people who don't understand them... and the current political and school system in place has precisely that goal, lack of information, lack of understanding.

Sigh.

I'm a hippie, I admit it.

thechaosfairy
03-09-2008, 04:53 AM
Oh, and I agree with all the people who say: steer clear from amphetamines, especially meth. They are just really, really bad for health.

greenidlady1
03-09-2008, 07:04 AM
I personally think it's moronic to do drugs as a "hobby". And when you say hard drugs we aren't talking about pot here. I have known plenty of potheads who function just fine.

I myself have struggled with mental health issues and physical issues the last year. I can't understand why someone would want to abuse their body with hard substances. I think some people take their ability to function at a normal level physically for granted. I think those who chose to do hard drugs as a hobby are either bored, curious or unhappy. I just think people really should take a look within themselves. If you don't have any major physical ailments or mental issues I can't comprehend personally why anyone who jeopardize that. I suppose people can and will do what they will but I just don't get it.

I took ex once and it was awful. It was pretty dumb of me to do especially since I obviously lack serotonin. I think good health is something that is too often taken for granted. Just my :twocents:

Lysondra
03-09-2008, 07:07 AM
^ On that note, I've seen people do coke and meth and function just fine, as well. They just function faster.

greenidlady1
03-09-2008, 07:13 AM
There are many excellent reasons to do drugs. For one thing, drugs are fun. They also make you look cool and help you make friends.

Unfortunately, there are many good reasons NOT to do drugs. Like, dying. Or fucking yourself up so bad that you spend the rest of your life as a burden to others. Or developing a crippling addiction that leaves you homeless and sucking dick in an alley somewhere.

It's a trade-off, really. You are better off deciding for yourself, but if you really want to let a bunch of strangers on an Internet message board decide for you...maybe we could start a poll?

:highfive: An even better way of putting it....

greenidlady1
03-09-2008, 07:16 AM
^ On that note, I've seen people do coke and meth and function just fine, as well. They just function faster.

But the thing is the side effects are more likely to be fatal. I've seen folks that do coke and meth function fine too but it takes its toll on the heart muscle and causes some people who take it to do some crazy shit.

Lysondra
03-09-2008, 07:21 AM
But the thing is the side effects are more likely to be fatal. I've seen folks that do coke and meth function fine too but it takes its toll on the heart muscle and causes some people who take it to do some crazy shit.

Yeah but I think things shouldn't not be done because of their fatality rate. People still jump out of planes for thrills. People still speed drive and race for thrills. People do things to endager their lives.. it's what we do. Just 'cause it's 'more fatal' doesn't really make a good excuse. Nurofen is more fatal than Tylenol; doesn't mean I ain't taking some when I have a sore tooth!

Not defending either argument. Just saying 'more fatal' is a rather weak one.

greenidlady1
03-09-2008, 07:21 AM
^ They just function faster.


When I took Adderal for my post viral syndrome an ADD I functioned faster as well but it got to the point that if someone happened to piss me off I would make an ass out of myself getting them told off. I was also overly confident and cocky. I didn't sleep good at night either. Then if I didn't take it for a couple of days the come down was hell, I'm talking about feeling a lot worse than I did before taking it.

It's just not worth it in my opinion. I think people should do what they will as long as it doesn't hurt me or my family. But if you ask me my opinion on it I'll tell you about the hard time I've had physically and psychologically without using anything. I'd tell you not to take your health for granted.

greenidlady1
03-09-2008, 07:37 AM
Yeah but I think things shouldn't not be done because of their fatality rate. People still jump out of planes for thrills. People still speed drive and race for thrills. People do things to endager their lives.. it's what we do. Just 'cause it's 'more fatal' doesn't really make a good excuse. Nurofen is more fatal than Tylenol; doesn't mean I ain't taking some when I have a sore tooth!

Not defending either argument. Just saying 'more fatal' is a rather weak one.

Jumping out of a plane, bungie jumping or any other action seeking adrenaline rush type sport will typically result in immediate death if not performed properly.

Morphine is more fatal than Tynenol too but if it's taken/given properly the mortality rate is low.

Cocaine, Meth, Herion, etc. doesn't come with an instruction pamplet telling you how much to take. It also doesn't tell you what the possible side effects are. You don't even know for sure what the hell is in it being that your typically drug dealer isn't hanging out in a white coat with a pharmocology degree. Most of them don't give a shit about you they are just looking for the next buck. It's a risk taken. However, the outcome is far more likely to reek chaos on a person's body and mind.

Life is hard enough. I personally, had two spouts of mono this past year and other ailments that made me feel like hell. I've also suffered with depression and anxiety. I eat healthy, do research on vitamins/remedies, exercise and do all I can just to feel "normal". I'm trying to go school now and make a career and future for myself, it's a struggle at times because of my health. I personally don't understand why one who want to jeopardize a feeling of normalcy. I don't hate anyone who uses drugs, in fact I could give two shits less. But if you ask me my opinion I'll tell you I don't think it's a very wise choice and why.

Sh0t
03-09-2008, 07:41 AM
I'm a thrill seeker and I desire to die young, but I've had no interest in drugs yet.

Never date a man who owns a parachute.

The reason they don't come with instructions is because they are forced underground due to the prohibition. IF drugs were legalized, Walmart's cocaine boxes would have instructions, I betcha.

Pain suffers around the world cry out for opiates.

My friend here made a fortune selling cocaine to nurses so they could be alert during their long shifts.

I have a higher risk of dying from an STD given to me by a cheating spouse than I do with most drugs. Most of the side-effects of "heroine" are caused by what they use to CUT the drug, not the drug itself. American ME was full of shit.

greenidlady1
03-09-2008, 07:45 AM
I'm a thrill seeker and I desire to die young, but I've had no interest in drugs yet.

Never date a man who owns a parachute.

The reason they don't come with instructions is because they are forced underground due to the prohibition. IF drugs were legalized, Walmart's cocaine boxes would have instructions, I betcha.

Pain suffers around the world cry out for opiates.

My friend here made a fortune selling cocaine to nurses so they could be alert during their long shifts.

I have a higher risk of dying from an STD given to me by a cheating spouse than I do with most drugs. Most of the side-effects of "heroine" are caused by what they use to CUT the drug, not the drug itself. American ME was full of shit.


Trouble can find it's way to you without having to look for it. But I'd rather play hide than seek.

Sh0t
03-09-2008, 07:50 AM
Some people like trouble.

I would love to be a mercenary if I could find a war I supported somewhere(been looking).

I've seen people deal with combat much more easily than they could deal with heartache a few months later.

Same with drugs. Trouble is a bit personal and relative.

Most recreational drugs provide SOME benefit, or else people wouldn't do them. I hear cocaine feels great. If I were a sad person, maybe it would be more appealing. As it is, I'm a happy-go-lucky kind of guy, so I predict most drugs would bring me below my default state.

Do steroids count as drugs in this thread? About a third of my friends are on steroids. There are many positives and negatives to them, as well.

greenidlady1
03-09-2008, 07:52 AM
Some people like trouble.

I would love to be a mercenary if I could find a war I supported somewhere(been looking).

I've seen people deal with combat much more easily than they could deal with heartache a few months later.

Same with drugs. Trouble is a bit personal and relative.

Most recreational drugs provide SOME benefit, or else people wouldn't do them. I hear cocaine feels great. If I were a sad person, maybe it would be more appealing. As it is, I'm a happy-go-lucky kind of guy, so I predict most drugs would bring me below my default state.

Do steroids count as drugs in this thread? About a third of my friends are on steroids. There are many positives and negatives to them, as well.


So go find yourself some drugs and fight a war. :P

High_Heel_Lover
03-09-2008, 08:11 AM
What if the friends she wants to do them with say fuck it lets do them too and something happens? you guys who party with drugs do you have like a contract or something that can be held as a legal document saying that they are the designated person? Yes this is a completely and honest question.

I worry that with friends who are willing to do drugs with you or allow a person to so can be tempted to do them too, then what?

Lola Rose
03-09-2008, 08:27 AM
Once your friend died and you got your wake-up call, how did you kick the habits? Did it just send you into cold-turkey mode or did you realize you needed to get help to stop?

I did it on my own. I had a period of time where I occassionally did it, especially when I was depressed. But mostly, I just quit.

LiveFree
03-09-2008, 08:59 AM
thank you for everyone who replied , I found your posts very useful! (special thanks to thechaosfairy for her comprehensive guide and link)


if you're in a bad space mentally I would highly advise against drugs like LSD, Special K, PCP etc because you'll more likely than not have a bad trip. Especially if you're inexperienced.


I've never been on acid before. What's it like to have a bad trip ?

JoeUnCool
03-09-2008, 09:02 AM
Even if only once in a while. Is it ever okay to do drugs ? I mean not weed but a hard drug. What if you really feel like it, and its a safe environment etc. ?

Or is it to be avoided at all costs ?

Not to preach, but I have never done illegal drugs. Its been over a year since my last drink. I get my kicks out of working out for an hour each day.

Mr SooooUncool

pookie
03-09-2008, 09:06 AM
No, there are no reasons to really ever take drugs. They are just pure poison for your body.

Chicagoeditor
03-09-2008, 09:24 AM
I stumble on the word "hobby" in this post. Obviously, drugs are not a hobby. Stamp collecting is a hobby. Drugs, booze, casual sex, staying up late and dancing--these are "fun" activities that nearly all adults do at one time or another.

MsQwerty
03-09-2008, 09:44 AM
I've never been on acid before. What's it like to have a bad trip ?

It varies a bit but n my experience think half of your body being racing to go do something and the other half feeling as sick as a dog and the two sides swaping every few minutes. You sweat, you shiver, your heart pounds loudly and your eyes are rolling. Your body wants to run but your frozen but you cant sit still. Unpleasant hallucinations and anxiety and feeling ill at ease / depressed suddenly. Difficulty in speaking or being able to express whats going on. Unlucky people have intense anxiety, paranoia, completely loose sense of where they are, dont recognize their friends and see feel and hear horrible things coming to get them and worse things waiting for them when they try to hide.

Sh0t
03-09-2008, 09:44 AM
I think recreational drug use is a hobby.

Some people collect stamps to build a collection. Some people like to wine taste or sample different varieties of marijuana.

Are my frequent beer tasting adventures part of a hobby?

Why isn't casual sex a hobby? Do something once or twice, it's "an experiment." Do it several times and give it some thought and investment, I think it's a hobby(until it becomes a profession I guess).

MW says:

hobby: a pursuit outside one's regular occupation engaged in especially for relaxation

That sounds like what I do regarding beer and sex.

xoxoGracexoxo
03-09-2008, 12:47 PM
I wish we lived in a world where teenagers got advice on this, as they do on sex...

In certain cultures, historically, the rite of passage involved hallucinogens, administered by the local version of shaman / medicine man / priest...

These things are powerful and as such can be misused easily by people who don't understand them... and the current political and school system in place has precisely that goal, lack of information, lack of understanding.


I'm in total agreement. In fact, psychedelics are the ONLY class I've drug I would actually reccomend. They're fun, not addictive, and in moderate doses they do no lasting damage. If you stick with mushrooms and naturally occurring agents, there's a significant body of knowledge about them -- how much to do, what they effects are, how to have a good experience.

My experiences with psychedelics have been really fun and enriching. And YES, there are excellent reasons beyond "self-destruction" to do drugs. I would really reccomend using drugs if these are your motivations. Some good motivations for drug use are safe fun, self-exploration, consciousness expansion, and other hippy things like that.



I've never been on acid before. What's it like to have a bad trip ?

My only bad trip was on DMT -- a very intense, short-lived experience with should NOT be undertaken without significant mental preparation. For me, it felt like I would never be "normal" again. I had bizarre hallucinations of the world driven into splinters by entropy, and couldn't remember who or what I was. But the scariest thing was just not knowing if I would ever be able to function again, or if I had gone off the deep end forever. I was only like this for four or five minutes (according to my boyfriend, who was babysitting my trip), then I was OK again. But I suppose, potentially, I might not have been. It was very scary, and made me much more cautious about my recreational cosmonaut-ing.

xoxoGracexoxo
03-09-2008, 12:48 PM
I wish we lived in a world where teenagers got advice on this, as they do on sex...

In certain cultures, historically, the rite of passage involved hallucinogens, administered by the local version of shaman / medicine man / priest...

These things are powerful and as such can be misused easily by people who don't understand them... and the current political and school system in place has precisely that goal, lack of information, lack of understanding.


I'm in total agreement. In fact, psychedelics are the ONLY class I've drug I would actually reccomend. They're fun, not addictive, and in moderate doses they do no lasting damage. If you stick with mushrooms and naturally occurring agents, there's a significant body of knowledge about them -- how much to do, what they effects are, how to have a good experience.

My experiences with psychedelics have been really fun and enriching. And YES, there are excellent reasons beyond "self-destruction" to do drugs. If your motivations are self-destruction, I really wouldn't reccommend drugs. Because you will get the experience you're looking for. If you want to be destroyed, you will be. Some GOOD motivations for drug use are safe fun, self-exploration, consciousness expansion, and other hippy things like that.



I've never been on acid before. What's it like to have a bad trip ?

My only bad trip was on DMT -- a very intense, short-lived experience with should NOT be undertaken without significant mental preparation. For me, it felt like I would never be "normal" again. I had bizarre hallucinations of the world driven into splinters by entropy, and couldn't remember who or what I was. But the scariest thing was just not knowing if I would ever be able to function again, or if I had gone off the deep end forever. I was only like this for four or five minutes (according to my boyfriend, who was babysitting my trip), then I was OK again. But I suppose, potentially, I might not have been. It was very scary, and made me much more cautious about my recreational cosmonaut-ing.

Dottie Rebel
03-09-2008, 01:09 PM
LSD and MDMA (ecstasy) were developed for psychological therapeutic purposes, and as ChaosFairy already mentioned, drugs like mescaline and peyote are used in Native American spiritual rituals. Not all drugs are "poison". I'm much more worried about eating foods high in cholesterol (heart disease is the number one killer in the U.S. Hallucinogenic drugs don't even show up on the radar.) than I am about dying from drugs.

I have a super non-addictive personality combined with a natural curiosity and devil-may-care attitude so I've done my fair share of drugs. Some I'd do again if you put them in front of me. I see no harm in it.

Now, on the other hand, I do know some people who do hard drugs as self-medication or just to feel cool and fit in (yes, at 20-something years of age!), and other such reasons. I don't necessarily recommend that.

BalletBaby
03-09-2008, 03:16 PM
What if just PCP ?

What's the difference between this and just normal weed btw ?

PCP put me in a mental hospital. Weed hasn't.

Dottie Rebel
03-09-2008, 03:28 PM
^^TO LiveFree: PCP and marijuana aren't even in the same ballbark. Look them up, hon.

britt244
03-09-2008, 03:46 PM
whoa.. im not reading the entire thread, but i read a few pages. i dont think there's harm in doing some drugs recreationally. yeah, yeah, everyone can bash me. i mean, i had a problem with coke. that, i won't do recreationally. but i roll on occasion, and yes, you can make it as safe as you can possibly control. we're at someone's house, everyone is staying and not driving, we have everything we might need, and there are people who stay sober. it's not something we do on a regular basis, but a few times a year isn't a huge deal, i don't think. i think you need to know your own personal boundaries and how you react to things, etc.

however, i really have no experience with PCP or anything like that. and i think there's a difference in drug types.. like heroin, i've been told that the first time you do it, you're going to crave it from then on. some drugs are more addictive than others. and some have worse effects. but i don't think that it's that horrible a thing to do to try things out. it's no worse than having unprotected sex, or a number of other unhealthy/unsafe activities that people partake in. it's more about how you personally feel about it and your life is changed by it than what a bunch of other people think.

cameron_keys
03-09-2008, 04:13 PM
Britt..I agree with you(and if you check back, my one experience with E was EXACTLY as you described!!LOL)

I think most of us are against this for the OP because 1) they didnt seem to understand the differance between drugs..they compared PCP to weed for gods sake!!! Thats scary and 2) the OP specifically said they were thinking of trying hard core drugs BECAUSE they were feeling self destructive. Thats a dangerous and frightening scenario.

Lola Rose
03-09-2008, 04:17 PM
I think most of us are against this for the OP because 1) they didnt seem to understand the differance between drugs..they compared PCP to weed for gods sake!!! Thats scary and 2) the OP specifically said they were thinking of trying hard core drugs BECAUSE they were feeling self destructive. Thats a dangerous and frightening scenario.

yep! Those two things are exactly why I think it's such a bad idea.

britt244
03-09-2008, 04:29 PM
Britt..I agree with you(and if you check back, my one experience with E was EXACTLY as you described!!LOL)

I think most of us are against this for the OP because 1) they didnt seem to understand the differance between drugs..they compared PCP to weed for gods sake!!! Thats scary and 2) the OP specifically said they were thinking of trying hard core drugs BECAUSE they were feeling self destructive. Thats a dangerous and frightening scenario.

yeah, i just was commenting on the idea. i didnt read the whole thread, haha, it was too long.

hockeybobby
03-09-2008, 05:19 PM
yeah, i just was commenting on the idea. i didnt read the whole thread, haha, it was too long.

haha britt, you should check out Lysondra's religion thread. That went 350 posts in one day, and they're all LOOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG posts. I'm cross-eyed now. :O

LiveFree
03-09-2008, 07:21 PM
haha britt, you should check out Lysondra's religion thread. That went 350 posts in one day, and they're all LOOOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG posts. I'm cross-eyed now. :O

Yup. We beat your Roll-up-the-Rim to Win (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109984) thread.

Now that I've put things in perspective, I think I'm just going to go with LSD or salvia. I really dig the out of body experience, hallucination effect, cosmic destruction and all that hippy goodness.

Katrine
03-09-2008, 07:42 PM
Even if only once in a while. Is it ever okay to do drugs ? I mean not weed but a hard drug. What if you really feel like it, and its a safe environment etc. ?

Or is it to be avoided at all costs ?

I don't think I ever answered your original question. You are basically asking us to share our moral judgements, from the wording of your inquiry.

Yes, its ok to do drugs every once in a while. Just because a person does drugs does not make them unhealthy or immoral. You have my permission, oh stranger on teh internetz.

Your use of the word "hobby" confused everyone. Doing something every once in a while isn't considered a hobby, right?

LiveFree
03-09-2008, 07:44 PM
Well, Sh0t said this:


I think recreational drug use is a hobby.

Some people collect stamps to build a collection. Some people like to wine taste or sample different varieties of marijuana.

Are my frequent beer tasting adventures part of a hobby?

Why isn't casual sex a hobby? Do something once or twice, it's "an experiment." Do it several times and give it some thought and investment, I think it's a hobby(until it becomes a profession I guess).

MW says:


That sounds like what I do regarding beer and sex.

thechaosfairy
03-09-2008, 07:57 PM
LiveFree, I'm glad you got something useful out of my post...

The link I gave you has a lot of personal experience accounts, including many bad trips. They can be learning experiences, but also can be quite harrowing. Go there and read as much as you can!

The longer I stay in this thread, the more of my secret life I want to confess... Go figure. I love divulging this stuff and I'm rarely in an anonymous enough forum to feel comfortable with it. But, hell, you guys know I dance naked.

The most intense bad trip I ever had, I lost myself completely, lost control completely. It was hell, and psychotic, and yet the aftermath of it -- the process of coming to terms with those subconscious darknesses in my personality -- is responsible for almost everything I hold dear about my life as I know it now, six years later. I was broken when I came down, but in the time following, I learned to face myself, and to trust others to love me. I became a stronger person.

If I named the three formative events in my life I'm most thankful for, that would be one of them.

If I hadn't been with a trusted friend who was sober, on that occasion, I might have gotten into very bad trouble. With the law, with my family, who knows? At the very least I might have not returned so hale and happy from my breakdown. But my friend was my lifeline, and talking to him afterward helped me interpret the experience.

Going to the places psychedelics will take you is like going to another continent. When I travel to foreign countries, I keep my passport, cash and other necessities in a money belt under my trousers... I know that even if someone stole all the rest, those essentials would still be there. Everything else I bring with me, I know I must be prepared to let go, in the worst case. Luggage gets lost. I may end up naked and not speaking the language and if that happens ... oh WELL! One must cope and move on. 8)

But a word of advice, to the OP specifically... psychedelics won't ever, ever take you away from yourself; they'll take you deeper into yourself. They are not escapist drugs. Those foreign countries you're visiting are not as foreign as they look. They are all too familiar; they exist within.

If you don't like yourself, this can be unpleasant. But it's also possible to use the experience to come to grips with things you need to face... if you're willing and ready for it and not trying to run in the opposite direction.

If you're trying to run away from yourself, alcohol is the time-honored choice, and much more suited to the purpose. Hell, some nights it's just a better idea to examine yourself through beer goggles, you know? ;D

thechaosfairy
03-09-2008, 08:02 PM
Yup. We beat your Roll-up-the-Rim to Win (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109984) thread.

Now that I've put things in perspective, I think I'm just going to go with LSD or salvia. I really dig the out of body experience, hallucination effect, cosmic destruction and all that hippy goodness.


Don't dismiss mushrooms either, they're shorter duration than LSD and can be a good starting point for these explorations...

In some ways they are kinder and gentler... Make a tea with some ginger though (on simmer, don't boil it too hot) in order to avoid tummy funnies.

Damn it, I want to write a drug encyclopedia, but I'd have to do it under a pseud. :P

vivianbear
03-09-2008, 10:59 PM
To the OP:

The headline of this thread made me laugh out loud! There've been a few times where I've gotten dirty looks from people for saying that I'd be thrilled to have the opportunity to just do hard drugs for fun. I'm bored of pot and drinking till I'm drunk. Smoking opium or having a recreational coke habit (as long as its not cut up with a bunch of sh*t) seems like a blast. I wouldn't touch pills or E or anthing that may have been mixed in a bathtub. The only thing that's ever stopped me was getting a hook-up I could trust not to rob me or give me anything dirty. Also, everyone thinks that you wanna do drugs with them. I don't want to get new social circle, I just want to get high.
Anyway, I'm not being a nihilist and I don't hate myself and want to die. Sometimes, I just want to do drugs. If anything, I'd probably do them around my husband if he'd allow it. He's my best friend and I trust him to bare with me. Maybe you have a family member or a sibling to babysit you while you're stoned? Just a thought.

RoseLeigh
03-09-2008, 11:01 PM
PCP put me in a mental hospital. Weed hasn't.

Yikes BB! One of my old friends had the same thing-he had a prob with PCP for a while.

I smoked some PCP-laced weed once. We were camping and apparently spent a lot of time chasing this frog around the woods. It was very weird and I'm not sure where we went or if the frog was real. I didn't like it. Just bizzare. But from everyone else I've talked to that was the mildest thing to happen.

BalletBaby
03-09-2008, 11:27 PM
Yikes BB! One of my old friends had the same thing-he had a prob with PCP for a while.



Actually my "friend" drugged me, cause I know I sure as hell didn't put that in my system. I didn't even know until I had to take a mandatory drug test. (And the stupid nurse accused me of lying when I said I didn't take PCP. Nice lady::))

RoseLeigh
03-09-2008, 11:33 PM
Actually my "friend" drugged me, cause I know I sure as hell didn't put that in my system. I didn't even know until I had to take a mandatory drug test. (And the stupid nurse accused me of lying when I said I didn't take PCP. Nice lady::))

Yeah, I didn't know our weed was laced either.

Duh, of course if you're young, you're taking THE DRUGS! >:(

BalletBaby
03-09-2008, 11:37 PM
Yeah, I didn't know our weed was laced either.

Duh, of course if you're young, you're taking THE DRUGS! >:(

Well, I did have another drug in my system. But I knew about it because I took it voluntarily. Hell, I admitted to taking that. But the PCP totally took me by surprise. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't laced into that other drug either.

RoseLeigh
03-10-2008, 12:02 AM
Well, I did have another drug in my system. But I knew about it because I took it voluntarily. Hell, I admitted to taking that. But the PCP totally took me by surprise. And I'm pretty sure it wasn't laced into that other drug either.

Wow. That's scary. "Friends" are no good.

cameron_keys
03-10-2008, 09:59 AM
Actually my "friend" drugged me, cause I know I sure as hell didn't put that in my system. I didn't even know until I had to take a mandatory drug test. (And the stupid nurse accused me of lying when I said I didn't take PCP. Nice lady::))

Dont you love that shit?? My friends had to take me to the ER one day because I was dying off pnumonia and severe dehydration. I couldnt hold my head up and couldnt really speak. The nurse checking me in told me that maybe I shouldnt drink and party so much because this is what happens to people who do. WTF??? My friends ripped her a new one since I dont "party", hadnt had a single drink and all I"d been doing all week is working. Bitch.

RoseLeigh
03-10-2008, 10:17 AM
Dont you love that shit?? My friends had to take me to the ER one day because I was dying off pnumonia and severe dehydration. I couldnt hold my head up and couldnt really speak. The nurse checking me in told me that maybe I shouldnt drink and party so much because this is what happens to people who do. WTF??? My friends ripped her a new one since I dont "party", hadnt had a single drink and all I"d been doing all week is working. Bitch.

I hate that crap. Drugs do not cause pneumonia.

I once spent an hour and a half in the lobby of the ER because they wouldn't even triage my bf until they checked him for drugs. Because he was horking and had purple hair. Not drugs, people-just incredibly painful kidney stones! They wouldn't even give him pain meds.