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CorinneKell
03-21-2008, 03:18 PM
I knew a guy like this. He wanted to start an escort service. The animall soul sacrificing thing. Good idea to run. Good thing you did Gypsy and Needtodance.
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britt244
03-21-2008, 03:25 PM
I feel really bad for the dancers that are still there, I, for one, am NOT going back, ever.
...huh? did you just decide this between posts? because that isnt the impression i got from your first post in this thread. and.. why did you stay there if thats how it was? you wanted it to work badly enough that you put up with that crap from the owner? :O
needtodance
03-21-2008, 03:28 PM
For the record, Corrinne.... I'm now researching my other options. But i did work at Casa this week. So only now am i starting running... *wink*
Shame too-Gypsy and I were, probably some of hte first dancers he hired... even before the club opened.
CorinneKell
03-21-2008, 03:31 PM
Cool. I am sure you will find another venue, if you and Gypsy are whom I saw in the media coverage. :) Two of the beautiful people. It was hard to tell. I'll have to go back and take a look again on UTube.
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Gypsy74
03-21-2008, 03:34 PM
Cool. I am sure you will find another venue, if you and Gypsy are whom I saw in the media coverage. :) Two of the beautiful people. It was hard to tell. I'll have to go back and take a look again on UTube.
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nope, needtodance and i were not on the kptv video, but needtodance was in the willamette week ( a newspaper here). The dancers in the video don't even work there anymore, the first one worked i think 1-2 shifts, and the second one got in a fight with another dancer and quit/got fired.
and yeah.. i decided not to work there between posts. I censored myself a bit in the first one because i know johnny reads these boards still, but then i decided i don't want to work there at all, so just told everyone the complete truth about him.
anomar
03-21-2008, 03:37 PM
That definitely seemed like one of the hardest things about working there and really the inherent flaw in our utopian stripperweb club... we could never come to SW and complain about a bad night! :P
Of course at a perfect SW club we would never have to complain, but ya know. :)
britt244
03-21-2008, 03:39 PM
and yeah.. i decided not to work there between posts. I censored myself a bit in the first one because i know johnny reads these boards still, but then i decided i don't want to work there at all, so just told everyone the complete truth about him.
haha, ok, i was confused. it seemed like before you were still planning to go back there. but EW i'm glad youre not. like i said, he seemed like a creep to me from day 1, but i kept my mouth shut because im nowhere near there and it didnt really matter that much. everybody else seemed kinda gung ho about him..
and i bet the reason it was good in the beginning was in part because of SW! he had sw girls and some sw customers!
Gypsy74
03-21-2008, 03:40 PM
That definitely seemed like one of the hardest things about working there and really the inherent flaw in our utopian stripperweb club... we could never come to SW and complain about a bad night! :P
Of course at a perfect SW club we would never have to complain, but ya know. :)
oh yeah... that is true. When I did have a bad night (I made 40 on a thursday and it SUCKED) and wrote about it, he got super pissed and begged me to put a "positive" review on SW about it. So i had a good night, and wrote a good review ( i think it's called update again or something like that). so yeah....no more casa diablo for me.
CorinneKell
03-21-2008, 04:18 PM
Good here's to better nights for you Gypsy and needto! May you make lot's of dough and have reglars that shower you with gifts and cash in equal generous proportions.
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noelle
03-21-2008, 06:30 PM
oh yeah... that is true. When I did have a bad night (I made 40 on a thursday and it SUCKED) and wrote about it, he got super pissed and begged me to put a "positive" review on SW about it. So i had a good night, and wrote a good review ( i think it's called update again or something like that). so yeah....no more casa diablo for me.
That's funny, because I TOTALLY read that second post and was like "I bet Johnny asked her to say something nice".
Oh man, I thought Johnny was a nice guy, but I only worked there twice. I will admit I didn't like how he would ask me how much money I had made, I think it's bad luck to count your money before the end of the night so I didn't know anyway.
I am totally shocked and disgusted by learning all this! And it's so funny that the club is for sale.
oregonchick
03-22-2008, 07:28 AM
To all nonsmoking pdx dancers, in 09 it will be illegal to smoke in bars anywhere anyplace. Right Now, only Lucky Devil is nonsmoking. If you are bothered by smoke check it out they have been doing heavy promotions and are owed by Devil's point which does excellent promotion for their club. Well, CD is also NS too but obviously this is not a pro-Cd thread.
sun child
03-22-2008, 08:45 AM
The other day I got a phone call from an LA number. Thought it might be one of my friends from LA. It called a few times so I sent a text asking who it was. I then got a call. I said who is this and they said who is this? I was like no it does not work that way. You called me. Then he asked what my stage name was and if I was working that night. It was Johnny. Why would he not just tell me upfront who he was? He must have been desperate for dancers because I have not worked there in weeks.
I got a bad feeling about the place immediately but thought it might be a good place to milk before it got shut down. It has been amusing and in some ways it has brought the PDX and Seattle SWers a bit closer together. I got to work with a lot of cool girls on this site because of Casa Diablo so I do not see it as a total loss. I also made a smidgeon of cash there.
The whole thing is hilarious. It is a shame though. I love vegan food a la The Blossoming Lotus and if the idea would have been well executed it might have been a really healthy place to work. Gypsy I cannot believe he hit on you. He also constantly asked me how much money I made. It really annoyed me.
Another story about CD. The BOUNCER touched me and demanded a tip. I snuck out the back and did not give him one. The bouncer is supposed to protect me from people touching. Not touch me himself. I also found that Johnny would leer at me while I was on stage and get this far away creepy look in his eyes.
I am glad we can laugh about it together. I have been to the Lucky Devil a few times and I have been impressed with the professionalism that is going on there. The club has a really cool design and some of my best dancer friends are working there. You really cannot go too wrong with the owners of the top night club in town. I do not smoke cigarettes so I might try that place. I am defintiely going to the Blackbook party if I do not have to work that night at my club.
thechaosfairy
03-22-2008, 12:35 PM
Wow. Thanks for dishing, Gypsy! Yikes! I know how it is to work in a club where things start off kinda cool, and then go downhill, and you sort of want to believe in a better version because of optimism for the future or simple high expectations created by the beginning. I don't think anyone should blame you for doing a 180. We all know how often things change in this industry...
Gypsy74
03-22-2008, 01:08 PM
The whole thing is hilarious. It is a shame though. I love vegan food a la The Blossoming Lotus and if the idea would have been well executed it might have been a really healthy place to work. Gypsy I cannot believe he hit on you. He also constantly asked me how much money I made. It really annoyed me.
Another story about CD. The BOUNCER touched me and demanded a tip. I snuck out the back and did not give him one. The bouncer is supposed to protect me from people touching. Not touch me himself. I also found that Johnny would leer at me while I was on stage and get this far away creepy look in his eyes.
yeah.. I wish the vegan food was actually vegan food. I mean, it is vegan food technically, but it was pretty much just shitty fried TVP fake meats disguised as bar food. If there was something more creative than deep fried TVP burgers and wheat gluten "beef' strips fried in tortillas, then it might have gotten a better reputation.
The bouncers there were assholes too. One of them, the guy from New Zealand was pretty cool and actually did more than hang out at the bar all night- he helped us in with our bags, helped us out with our bags and patrolled the parking lot, but the other one was a complete douchebag. He didn't do SHIT. None of them ever even watched when we were giving private dances, but this one seriously didn't do anything. He didn't help us in or out to our cars/taxis, he didn't watch dances, he pretty much either stood by the door and watched the stage while chatting with johnny or a customer, or sat by or at the bar and talked with his friends. He would freak out on us when we didn't pay, chasing us to our taxis and demanding a tip, I think i tipped him ONCE the entire time I worked and only because he was intimidating me.
Johnny would watch me dance on stage, and often sat at the rack for other girls (not me) and certain girls would dance for him. He has a really creepy look in his eyes and would just STARE. The DJ played a song i've never heard of before when i was on stage that while it was a good song, it has the name "johnny" in it,a nd johnny would come out and watch me dance every time he played that song.. it was pretty gross.
part of me thinks that johnny knew he had to sell his business after pirates tavern, and he just wanted to have a stripclub for fun and free entertainment... it's only been open 8 weeks and he's selling it... if he really wanted it to succeed he would have done better. I mean... all he had to do to make it into a stripclub was move the tables around, get a couple ugly old beat up couches in a section of the club, build a stage and put up shitty poles made out of pipes from home depot.
ugh. gross. I don't want to think about it, I'm moving on to better things and going back to making MINIMUM 1,000 a week. I think I also worked at CD because I was so burned out on the dolphin, I only worked 2 maybe three nights a week there... but still.. the most i made in a night there was 540.
oh yeah, forgot to add something. One night, the night I made 540, I went into the VIP dance area with a customer. I am a good dancer, I know how to sell dances and get the money from the customer without ripping them off and being dishonest, sometimes I even undercalculate how many dances I've done. As soon as I got off stage, a customer wanted me to go to the VIP dance area with him, so I did. I explained to him the rules first, the prices of the dances, etc. We start the first dance, finish, I ask him if he wants to keep going, so we do another, then he starts talking for the third dance and I ask him VERY CLEARLY, "you know that this still counts as a dance and this is our third one right?" or something like that, and he agrees. He just wants to sit there with me on his lap and talk the whole time, and after the end of every other song, I remind him "this is our x song, so we're at x dollars now, is that okay?". Then, we get to 10 songs and I say, alright I have to go on stage soon, so we can either go to VIP so I don't have to go on stage or you can pay me now and I can come back to you when i get off stage. He flipped out (he was drunk btw) and said "you're not getting shit, you didn't do shit, all you did was talk" That isn't true, all HE did was talk about his stupid logging business in South america, and he agreed to pay 35/song for conversation.
He owed me 350, and in the end I only got 200 of it and that was hard to get out of him. The bouncer and johnny didn't back me at all, saying that I didn't do it right. Johnny thinks he knows everything about dancing. He says that it was my fault for not getting paid up front, but how do you get paid up front for 10 dances?? How do you break up the momentum in the string of dances to get paid between each song?? It DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT!! So yeah... totally lame.
CorinneKell
03-22-2008, 01:21 PM
Gypsy:
Sorry to hear abut your expereiences. I am sure it will get better for you very quickly!
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LilyLove
03-22-2008, 06:16 PM
I've posted about this before briefly, but my gripe about this place is that when my friend and I went to audition, he never checked our i.d.'s. We are both 21 years old, but although I know I look over 18, my friend certainly doesn't. He allowed us to audition and get fully nude onstage, and in the end he told us he wouldn't need to see our i.d.'s until we worked. For all he knew he could have been letting a couple of 17 year olds dance on his stage while he stared.
Also, I've auditioned at almost 10 clubs and have never seen anyone conduct an audition the way he did, standing at the edge of the stage staring like a customer would.
I have to say though that I do think the inside of the club looks nice. The couches in the V.I.P look do look bad though.
As soon as I opened this post I had a feeling it would be this club.
noelle
03-22-2008, 06:29 PM
Yeah, my friends and I worked and thought it was weird that he never checked our IDs. I do think I look young. He didn't check the next time I came, either. Probably not a goood business practice.
The bouncers didn't seem to care much about the girls. Johnny told me that when I gave a dance, I should get a bouncer to watch from right outside the couch room... So the first night I had always asked the bouncer to watch my dances, as I was TOLD to... and at the end of the night the bouncer was like "So, you like guys watching your dances?" I was like um, no. Wtf?
CorinneKell
03-22-2008, 07:04 PM
No ID check???? I still get carded for R-rated movies. Wonder if I'd get carded to walk in.
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Gypsy74
03-22-2008, 07:11 PM
^ well since there was no door person, you wouldn't get carded unless you tried to buy a drink, and maybe not even then.
CorinneKell
03-22-2008, 07:45 PM
That's a bust waiting to happen. When Berbati's Pan was doing Fetish nights ages ago there was a 17 year old going in and getting drunk on Yaeger Bombs. She was also a stripper, and no one figured it out, until a different bar tender one night asked her for her ID. Then we never saw her again.
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needtodance
03-22-2008, 07:52 PM
That was one thing that bothered me, the ID thing. I know they have a copy of mine, but for a while i was eyeing the "need IDs from" list on the dressing room wall. Maybe 13-15 names on it, only two of them got crossed off. maybe it slipped people minds, or htey assumed it had been done sooner... but yes, every other club i've been to has asked up front, and i've even been TURNED AWAY from clubs, because mine is out of state, and they cant verify it to their satisfaction.
LilyLove
03-22-2008, 07:59 PM
^ I've never NOT been asked for my i.d upon walking in or upon asking for an audition. Except at C.D. They could get in SO much trouble with the OLCC for that!
CorinneKell
03-22-2008, 08:09 PM
It's too bad it didn't work out for CD. I was kind of hoping it would stick around long enough that Hubby and I got a chance to check it ou and as time went on and more of this marriage weight made it's way off it would be good to dance there. But alas oh well. I hpe someone else picks up the idea and professionally runs with it.
Honestly it would be nice to have places that served healthy stuff, one could work at, and hang out at.
It was a superb idea, just needs to be pulled off differently.
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shane333
03-23-2008, 12:46 AM
Whew, I'm glad a non-pro CD post finally went up. It sucked not being able to honestly post about my experience at CD because I knew Johnny was watching the boards.
My own experience with him was the same- creepy customer vibe and wouldn't shut up. He also seemed to have a thing for minor dancers, which I find gross in a 50 year old man. I only worked there a few times and made decent money, but I just couldn't force myself to go back after the last time. I was getting bad vibes from the place, and the thought of having to answer Johnny's questions about my money, how I conduct business, what I would do in this or this situation, irritated the hell out of me.
Sadly, I liked Lindsay (manager? booking agent? was never clear on that) and the bartenders that I worked with and hope that I see them at other bars soon. And for bar food, the menu wasn't so bad. Much better than fried mozzarella sticks and fried chicken fingers at my main club. :O
CorinneKell
03-23-2008, 02:16 AM
It's not a wonder we all gain weight a little while working unless we're brining our own food! LOL! Mozzi sticks are the devil...so are chicken fingers, and an muber of the other so delicious they've been made addictive foods.
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Djoser
03-23-2008, 02:45 AM
I had a bad vibe about the place from the get-go, just reading about it here, when I heard the line he invented for it "The only meat is on the stage..."
That told me everything I needed to know about the guy.
CorinneKell
03-23-2008, 04:35 AM
Husband had issues with that line too and the Lord and Master letter again cool idea but differnt tactic to pull it off needed.
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Djoser
03-23-2008, 05:11 AM
...the Lord and Master letter again...
Lord and Master?
WTF? Link please?
Not another SW guy attempting to play domme, please tell me it isn't so! I am so weary of it, lol...
Gypsy74
03-23-2008, 05:13 AM
lord and master is signed all over the myspace page--- casadiablo.com, and his "business cards" that he got for free from vistaprint.com say "johnny di'ablo, lord and master, lol". One of the girls who painted the paintings of the devil girls on the walls even painted a painting of johnny next to his desk depicting him as a devil. its a little scary and narcissistic.
Djoser
03-23-2008, 05:38 AM
its a little scary and narcissistic.
Uh..yeah.
...his "business cards" that he got for free from vistaprint.com say "johnny di'ablo, lord and master, lol". One of the girls who painted the paintings of the devil girls on the walls even painted a painting of johnny next to his desk depicting him as a devil.
Sorry, I can't help but laugh when guys pull this pathetic shit. What's really sad is, the occasional idiotic and/or naive woman falls for it.
CorinneKell
03-23-2008, 12:23 PM
<<<Mistress Corinne Obey me without question as I fall to the floor in fits of giggles.
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badpixie
03-24-2008, 09:49 AM
(This thread has been bothering me for a few days. Please understand that I'm not addressing anyone in particular here.)
Besides being busy with other things in life, a big part of what kept me away from this club were the unsolicited warnings from trustworthy people in the vegan community who had dealt with him while the place was Pirate's Tavern. I wanted to walk in and make a chunk of change, but the stories I heard made me drag my feet.. and I'm glad.
This guy was obviously creepy to the max, but how long do you think 'creepy' would take to become 'harmful' or even 'dangerous' if he were alone with a clueless new dancer or a girl who has trouble standing up for herself?
This is supposed to be a haven for us, but the presence of management on the forums made all the news good news, while a giant skeezfest went on in the background. From what everyone's said about Johnny (which I believe completely, after hearing what he pulled while just running a restaurant) and the bouncers, this place was an giant theft/assault/rape by a customer or even staff member just waiting to happen.
I didn't post any of the warnings I heard because everyone posted only good things.. I'm sure everyone working there felt the same way. I don't want to suggest that SC managers/owners be banned from the site as they arrive, but this whole situation is fucked.
I think the most infuriating thing about it is that so many local vegans who'd never set foot in a SC bleated some hilariously negative stereotypes regarding the industry (lots of us saw it, I'm sure, and some of us even tried to convince them that their rants didn't reflect reality).. and Johnny managed to prove those left-wing parrots right.
He also probably managed to make veganism look totally fucked to the girls he tried to 'convert'. Way to go, dick.
Lysondra
03-24-2008, 10:46 AM
Johnny would watch me dance on stage, and often sat at the rack for other girls (not me) and certain girls would dance for him. He has a really creepy look in his eyes and would just STARE. The DJ played a song i've never heard of before when i was on stage that while it was a good song, it has the name "johnny" in it,a nd johnny would come out and watch me dance every time he played that song.. it was pretty gross.
Was it 'Angry Johnny' by Poe? It goes something like, "Johnny, angry Johnny...this is Jezebel in Hell...."
Because THAT would be the creepiest fucking song to dance to him EVER.
Gypsy74
03-24-2008, 11:59 AM
Was it 'Angry Johnny' by Poe? It goes something like, "Johnny, angry Johnny...this is Jezebel in Hell...."
Because THAT would be the creepiest fucking song to dance to him EVER.
yeah... it was that one.
and badpixie... i totally agree with you. I'm an idealist to a fault though, and I really thought that if I worked there and made it as positive as possible, it would somehow work.
needtodance
03-24-2008, 12:40 PM
Well, i noticed a few things that creeped me out, but a lot of it went past me because i made a point of not being "approachable". I'm not a chatty person anyways, so i'm not goign to go bullshit with a manager just to be talking to someone. I mean,i expect some degree of creepyness from management, but this is ridiculous.
Gypsy74
03-24-2008, 01:01 PM
just wanna say-- I have an update from some non-SW dancers at the club who say they have talked to johnny (because I told them all he was selling it) about him selling the club, and johnny said that he would only sell it if someone paid 1 million dollars, which is the asking price, and he is selling it as a club. That is a lie. On the commercial real estate listing, it doesn't say anything about it being a strip club, it says there are "unlimited possibilities" for hte property, and doesn't mention the 2 stripper poles, giant stage, and private dance area at all. It mentions the kitchen, the bar, the "rod iron" chandeliers, etc. He's not selling it as a club, he's selling it to any random person who will pay the money.
Which leads me to the question.. how in the hell did johnny even get all the money to start his business? He worked with the police in Los Angeles, started his restaurant "Vegan terra" which flunked, moved to portland, started pirate's tavern, which flunked, and then poured a ton of money (from where?) into casa diablo. He's spent thousands on casa diablo...
so where does he get the money??
hockeybobby
03-24-2008, 01:10 PM
so where does he get the money??
This is the key question.
needtodance
03-24-2008, 01:11 PM
Heh, I dont think i want ot ask. It is funny htough---He can invest piles of money in failed businesses after failing other businesses, and I can't get financed for a car, because my student loan debt balances highly against my income. LMAO
just wanna say-- I have an update from some non-SW dancers at the club who say they have talked to johnny (because I told them all he was selling it) about him selling the club, and johnny said that he would only sell it if someone paid 1 million dollars, which is the asking price, and he is selling it as a club. That is a lie. On the commercial real estate listing, it doesn't say anything about it being a strip club, it says there are "unlimited possibilities" for hte property, and doesn't mention the 2 stripper poles, giant stage, and private dance area at all. It mentions the kitchen, the bar, the "rod iron" chandeliers, etc. He's not selling it as a club, he's selling it to any random person who will pay the money.
Which leads me to the question.. how in the hell did johnny even get all the money to start his business? He worked with the police in Los Angeles, started his restaurant "Vegan terra" which flunked, moved to portland, started pirate's tavern, which flunked, and then poured a ton of money (from where?) into casa diablo. He's spent thousands on casa diablo...
so where does he get the money??
MiragePDX
03-24-2008, 01:21 PM
Reminds me of the pattern of some trust fund babies I've known. Money is not an object, they just have fun "playing business".
*not meant to be an insult to the entire group, just some of them...not even an insult really. More of an observation? I'd like to have the money to go into business risk-free and learn from life experience.
Gypsy74
03-24-2008, 01:50 PM
^true true true...
but... check this out:
this was his resume before he opened his first failed business in LA:
Cash register clerk - Soup & Sandwich Shop (4 months).
Salesman, Door-to-door - Auto discount coupon packs (8 months).
Sales and installation - Arrowhead drinking water (5 months)
Mail room clerk - Daily Breeze local newspaper (2 years). Became a Vegan during this time.
Judgment satisfaction - Los Angeles County Marshall Department. Worked night shift. (10 years)
Life insurance broker - (4 years) He started his own insurance agency; the company failed but he learned a lot.
Welder - Attended Harbor Occupational School in Los Angeles to learn welding, became a Los Angeles Certified Welder.
Electrician - (1-1/2 years) Member of the Electrician's Union. Gained valuable handiness skills.
Owner, Pool and Spa Maintenance Company - bought an existing company (2-1/2 years). Got a contractor's license.
December 2001 - Opened Vegan Terra Restaurant.It could be possible that he saved up enough money to invest in a business with a couple of those jobs. maybe.
RoseLeigh
03-24-2008, 02:18 PM
Heh, I dont think i want ot ask. It is funny htough---He can invest piles of money in failed businesses after failing other businesses, and I can't get financed for a car, because my student loan debt balances highly against my income. LMAO
I have the same problem. I'm trying to pay off my other debt to balance it out, but 16k in student loans hard to crack while still in school! I want $1m to start and sc!
Is judgement satisfaction like a bounty hunter? Because that IS good money. If you don't get shot.
iambonbon05
03-24-2008, 03:03 PM
Ugh, glad I never got around setting foot in there. I was excited about meeting SWebbers and him seeming to care about what dancers thought and it being smoke free.
He seemed cool on this site (though I definitely see arrogance) but as soon as I saw the video from the news creepiness factor went way up.
Guy sounds like a complete nut. I may try lucky devil, I'd love to work somewhere smoke free.
anomar
03-24-2008, 04:10 PM
Rofl! I just emailed the reporter that first blogged about it, but he's on vacation 'til Monday so I'm not sure if it'll get posted... I think the editorial staff is all busy because of some... rally? somewhere in Portland this morning? :D
He just emailed me to say that he's calling CD and will report on it shortly. heh. I got an email from Johnny about it and he claims that his intention was always to sell the place shortly after opening.
wtf!
Gypsy74
03-24-2008, 04:23 PM
He just emailed me to say that he's calling CD and will report on it shortly. heh. I got an email from Johnny about it and he claims that his intention was always to sell the place shortly after opening.
wtf!
so i was right about him just wanting to open it for his own free entertainment tits and ass.
Lysondra
03-24-2008, 06:23 PM
yeah... it was that one.
and badpixie... i totally agree with you. I'm an idealist to a fault though, and I really thought that if I worked there and made it as positive as possible, it would somehow work.
That is 800 levels of creepy. It talks about the ninemillion ways a woman wants to kill a man she calls 'Angry Johnny' and how she's going to do it. omg.
CorinneKell
03-24-2008, 09:14 PM
Realtor and investment friends have said 750K to 850K high, but no more, and needs to include business stipulations, and all the zoning. All t's crossed and i's dotted. I did some digging, was told might be a little easier starting from ground zero. It would be fun, but can't plunk any money down just for fun, need solids on all busines aspects including the monthly, yearly and such solid projections. Also needed how much debt does the business have? Employee salaries? No one is willing to loan on it for now.
Yekhefah
03-24-2008, 09:24 PM
I've often wondered where he's getting the money, and since he goes out of his way to AVOID making money at Casa Diablo, I even asked his manager point-blank if it was a money laundering operation. She laughed and insisted that it wasn't, and said he didn't care if he made money at this point because once all the customers were hooked then he could make money later. I pointed out that he was hooking customers on not spending money, and when it came time to jack up the prices his business would leave, and I again mused that I thought it might be a money laundering thing. I was "fired" before my next shift (which was the day I'd planned to quit anyway).
So yeah. I say money laundering. Where it's coming from is anyone's guess.
Lysondra
03-24-2008, 09:27 PM
He needed more dancers but fired you for thinking it might be money laundering?
(and that makes so much sense...)
CorinneKell
03-24-2008, 09:30 PM
Makes me wonder if the rush to sell the club is to appease someone....If someone buys it not knowing with full disclosure, I'm thinking it could spell issues/reprecussions beyond belief.
Yekefah, good for you for questioning. It's a crazy world. I'd hate to be somewhere if that were the truth and someone came to collect some day in the near future. Scary.
thechaosfairy
03-24-2008, 09:53 PM
That is 800 levels of creepy. It talks about the ninemillion ways a woman wants to kill a man she calls 'Angry Johnny' and how she's going to do it. omg.
Heh, at least he knows where he stands... :P
Money laundering makes sense with this kind of pattern.