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britt244
03-22-2008, 01:49 PM
Does that mean if BrunetteG came to us and was telling us that she was having what she thought were symptoms of siociopathy, you'd tell her not to seek help for it because a lot of doctors wouldn't want to treat her or would give up on her? I don't understand if you believe in BPD or not. It seems like you're reading about it as you post. (that's not a bad thing.)

are you reading what i'm saying? you're clearly not following it. i was using sociopathy as an example. a SEPARATE example.

plain and simple, if you can say you think you have borderline personality disorder, chances are you don't, because those people DO NOT THINK THEY HAVE ANY PROBLEM. why won't you listen to that? i'm not the only one who said it. just like (and this is NOT RELATED TO BPD) sociopaths CAN NOT SAY "hey, i think i might be a sociopath." they don't have that mental capacity.

and even if that weren't the case, yes, i would say not to go to a dr saying you think you had BPD. you go to the dr and tell them your symptoms. if you have a diagnosis of BPD it will follow you forever and you will have trouble finding therapy. did i say dont go to therapy? no.

but clearly you're not going to stop arguing about facts, so i'm not going to keep answering you.

BrunetteGoddess
03-22-2008, 01:50 PM
I have no personal experience with mental health issues, but I wanted to simply suggest that sometimes food allergies will mimic mental illness.

I used to have rages and depression problems when I was drinking a lot of soy milk. I have fibroid cysts on my uterus and ovaries and the phyto estrogens in the soy milk made my hormones rage out of control.

BG, eliminate all physical causes first. Your emotional issues may be as simple as changing your diet. (here's hoping it is an easy cure:) )

That would be AWESOME. It's not like I'm sitting here hoping that I have a severe mental/personailty disorder!:-\

BrunetteGoddess
03-22-2008, 01:53 PM
one more thing to consider.. i think that (and i may be wrong) a lot of BPD people would not be able to say that they have that particular disorder.
Um, that's very....false. Otherwise BP sufferers would never cognizantly seeks treatment, and there would be no avenues to offer support and recovery (like ones Susan posted).

Zinaida
03-22-2008, 01:53 PM
are you reading what i'm saying? you're clearly not following it. i was using sociopathy as an example. a SEPARATE example.
Uh, yeah. Did you not understand what I was saying?


plain and simple, if you can say you think you have borderline personality disorder, chances are you don't, because those people DO NOT THINK THEY HAVE ANY PROBLEM. why won't you listen to that? i'm not the only one who said it. just like (and this is NOT RELATED TO BPD) sociopaths CAN NOT SAY "hey, i think i might be a sociopath."
I am listening, and I have to say I disagree. Plain and simple. I mean, I agree that because of the nature of the disorder and the mindset that sort of comes with it how it's difficult to realize that they are the ones with the problem. But I don't think that it would be impossible for someone to recognize that they are.

I don't know why you seem to be so mad.

BrunetteGoddess
03-22-2008, 01:55 PM
IMO some people can be pushed into BPD-like behaviors from stressors like illness, acute pain and co-dependent relationships.
Possible. I'm hoping it's just this.

However I don't believe all people are not sufferers just because they are becoming self aware. People with depression often know it.


Hey, maybe it's something else. Hope to god it is. Who knows, maybe it's my depression just refusing to go away. Maybe I'll always be depressed. Again, dear god I hope not. Let's not get nasty in here. Nowhere was I saying I self diagnosed. I'm just concerned about my mental health, and have been for a while.

Keep this board open minded and supportive please, that's why a lot of us are here.

britt244
03-22-2008, 01:56 PM
Um, that's very....false. Otherwise BP sufferers would never cognizantly seeks treatment, and there would be no avenues to offer support and recovery (like ones Susan posted).

ok. ignore the pm i just sent you then ::) if you continue to do research, you'll see that BPD is not a common thing and many people who think they have it, don't.

im out of this thread. go ahead and keep diagnosing yourself based on the internet. none of it will matter if you don't go to therapy anyway, and if you did, you wouldnt need to diagnose yourself. good luck feeling better.

Zinaida
03-22-2008, 01:59 PM
^^Brit was lecturing us her opinion from what she got on the Internet, none of us screamed: "But you're not a licenced BPD specialist!!"

BrunetteGoddess
03-22-2008, 02:04 PM
ok. ignore the pm i just sent you then ::) if you continue to do research, you'll see that BPD is not a common thing and many people who think they have it, don't.

im out of this thread. go ahead and keep diagnosing yourself based on the internet. none of it will matter if you don't go to therapy anyway, and if you did, you wouldnt need to diagnose yourself. good luck feeling better.

I just responded. I stand by what I say.

Yes, please exit the thread. Apparently you've gotten quite annoyed and need to take a breathe. It's fine.

xdamage
03-22-2008, 02:06 PM
Just a note, and Katrine touched on it indirectly, but it is key...

Personality Disorders are about matters of degree and severity, the Black and White vs gray scale thinking applies here too. People with PDs have all the same emotions and even thinking as anyone else, but the degree, severity, frequency, of extremes is much greater. There is really no absolute meter either. So in a sense it's true what Britt said about everyday chick, which is why BPD is not usually diagnosed during teen years, but later in life as those extremes continue on through early adulthood, then later adulthood. But it really isn't BS, it's just not something easy to diagnose like say a broken bone which tend to be broken or not (although even then there are subtle fractures ;))

Also just to add to something BG noted in her initial post. One big difference between Bipolar Disorder and BPD mood swings is just as she noted, BPDs have sever mood swings many times every few hours (vs every few days or more like weeks for Bipolar). Katrine's point about B&W thinking being a clincher I agree with, from personal and professional experiences, it's a marker that is very evident once you are aware of it, and not something people with Bi-polar disorder have (at least not to the same degree, we all do to some degree).

Katrine
03-22-2008, 02:36 PM
"If the borderline sounds like a 15 year old girl, that's because that's what she is. The difference, of course, is the actual 15 year old girl is supposed to be flaky, testing identities and philosophies and looks until she finally lands on the one that's "her." But if you're 30 and doing that, well..."


Now THAT makes a lot of sense. Many mentally ill people become stunted to a certain age. Remember, its not their fault. I have a friend who is a therapist for people with head injuries, and a great deal of mental illness is a result of brain damage from car accidents.

LilyLove
03-22-2008, 07:16 PM
^ Yup. When my little sister was diagnosed as bipolar as a teenager, we were told that she was functioning at a level at least five years below her actual age. We were told that she had been stunted by it.

On another note, it has been my understanding that Bipolar is a brain chemistry/structure problem. Is Borderline the same way, or different?

BrunetteGoddess
03-22-2008, 07:18 PM
No, I believe BPD is a personality disorder, which can be managed, but not cured.

Katrine
03-22-2008, 07:28 PM
My ex boyfriend's brother was hit with a desk by a bully in his early teenage years. Within months, he began mentally devolving. Now, he is 40, still lives with the parents, and can only hold down simple jobs, for so long.

The x thought it was because of what this kid did, causing the brain damage. However, mental illness symptoms may begin to manifest during the teenage years. Doctors were stumped and never figured it out.

I would like to take back what I said earlier about BPD sufferers being assholes. I thought about that comment this afternoon and realized it was mean and insensitive. If a BPD adult funtions like a young teenager, there very well may be some trauma that caused them to stop growing mentally and emotionally.

So again, sorry, I probably should delete the comment for good measure.

hardkandee
03-22-2008, 09:48 PM
There are tons of overlaps in the criteria for neurological disorders. Sometimes what might seem like bipolar is borderline personality disorder, mood disorders, panic disorders and a whole host of other things.

And other times, it's none of the above and actually a form of facticious disorder.
Mental illnesses are a very touchy subject - not all doctors will agree and certain those of us untrained (albeit not always so unfamiliar) with the area will come up with many different opinions. The best thing to do is to find a professional that you trust. AND to take the DSM-IV with a grain of salt (and a teaspoon of sugar). It's got Frotteurism in there. :P

Miss_McKenna
03-23-2008, 10:34 AM
BG, I'm sorry you're having to deal with this, not knowing whats going on can be scary :hug: My therapist has touched on the possibility of me potentially having BDP but I didn't feel ready to get into it and so we haven't so far. But if you ever wanna just talk about it etc feel free to pm me!

I got a book online that was really helpful called Get Me Out Of Here by Rachael Reiland, and it was on amazon.com for like, $1 or something. Its not a reference book, its this woman's story of how she lived with BDP for years and then eventually managed to get it under control and how she did it. It was really fascinating to read and it helped me identify with things that I was doing...maybe it might help you out too :)

threlayer
03-23-2008, 02:11 PM
There are tons of overlaps in the criteria for neurological disorders. Sometimes what might seem like bipolar is borderline personality disorder, mood disorders, panic disorders and a whole host of other things.

... not all doctors will agree and certain those of us untrained (albeit not always so unfamiliar) with the area will come up with many different opinions. The best thing to do is to find a professional that you trust. AND to take the DSM-IV with a grain of salt (and a teaspoon of sugar)....

This is very true. I looked into this quite a bit to help out my old gf who had a dual diagnosis. Looking at the DSM-IV, you will find it difficult to diagnose yourself, even if you could be that objective, which you cannot be. And even then, the treatment is still a nebulous thing, such as which meds to prescribe, what type of therapy is effective, etc. Further, Borderline is maybe one of the hardest to diagnose, andtreatment is long term. Is is far better to find a professional to help you, than to have a misdiagnosis and spend money on meds to that do not help, or a therapy that can even harm you.