View Full Version : Calling INS on Illegals...
scarlett_vancouver
03-23-2008, 05:38 PM
I'm crusading for Jersey at the moment cuz I would like to work there this summer.
Hey, me too!
}:D
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 05:38 PM
Do they? They literally take money from you? How's that? What's the "simple law of numbers?"
Simple law of numbers simplified:
Lets say 25 girls are working on a given night. Lets say 50 customers come in. Girls earn X amount of dollars.
Lets say on the next night 10 of the illegal, law breaking, paperless strippers were hauled off by INS, same amount of custies came in... (now there are only 15 dancers working).... I'd say there is a good chance the girls left will make more cash.
Plus... gals without pimps, agencies, or handlers are less likely to give handjobs and blowjobs for cash out of desperation.
Club is cleaner, dancers are richer, customers can have conversations with girls that go beyond "Yoo Vant a Dans NOW!?"... everyone is happy.
head turner
03-23-2008, 05:43 PM
ok, i agree with both sides and see mimi's point.
The situation with the clubs and illegal's is frusturating. I guess if it was the other way around you may be able to see our point as well. Like if we went over there and invaded the strip clubs.
The largest problem is the way some of the women are being brought over and pimped out. The clubs are ok with it because they show up to work every day but do you really think they would rather be in america being pimped out or their own country.
I am not against immigration.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 05:45 PM
no need to get snide, im not attacking you. im really just curious as to what other options these people have, and it seems like if they are trying to become residents, and it takes 6 years, then they have to find a way too eat in the meantime. and without a social security number, that seems quite impossible.
Sorry... I misinterpret. I guess after Mimi's scathing take on the situation I felt a little cornered. Accept my apologies. :-*
Work Visas... are one option... like Mimi said... homework. Immigrants can't expect to come here and expect for everything to fall into place. It took about a decade and a half for my mom to go through the process from start to finish. It paid off for her... and for me.... I am damn lucky. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't do the same if I had to.
And as Cameron pointed out: The government does fuck up... like a lot... and you just have to stay on top of things and keep on truckin'. Bureaucracy is a BITCH....
josie
03-23-2008, 05:45 PM
That's how you'd whittle out the competition? By having them deported? Seems a little extreme. Maybe you should team up with the legal citizens you work with first and talk to the management. Just saying, it's worth a try before, you know, you ruin some lives.
Melonie
03-23-2008, 05:45 PM
Lets say on the next night 10 of the illegal, law breaking, paperless strippers were hauled off by INS, same amount of custies came in... (now there are only 15 dancers working).... I'd say there is a good chance the girls left will make more cash.
Plus... gals without pimps, agencies, or handlers are less likely to give handjobs and blowjobs for cash out of desperation
this would only turn out to be the case if your club's customers are still willing to spend money on lap dances and conversation instead of handjobs and blowjobs !
personally, I never had an axe to grind with illegal immigrant girls dancing. But I DID have a problem with the handjobs and blowjobs they brought into the clubs ... which also caused changes in customer expectations as well as in the behavior of legal American girls and also in the attitude of club management which won't go away even if/when the illegal girls are gone.
IMHO illegal immigrant dancers are almost singlehandedly responsible for changing 'exotic dancing' from being part of show business into being part of the sex business ... which basically drove me into retirement.
stellaforstars
03-23-2008, 05:47 PM
I have several things to say to this, but I'll try and condense.
That is the most utterly foul and reprehensible thing anyone has ever written on this goddamn forum and I physically feel ill right now. Do you know how many fucking countries are in the shitter because of YOUR govt's foreign policies? YOUR countries actions abroad? Do you ever stop to think how YOU got your goddamn ass into the States? Was it YOUR land? Were your ancestors born here? And who did they take the land from? As someone who has suffered from immigration policy and worked in conjunction with many pro-immigrant groups to promote policies like the DREAM act () this is an issue which is REALLY important to me and have someone lie you who knows sweet fa come along and say such ill-advice bollox is more than I can take. Please, someone, explain to this girl WHY HER SCREECHING MAKES THE WORLD THINK AMERICANS ARE ALL STUPID.
Really, I can't even say how much I want to yell at you for something so repulsive and selfish and downright stupid. You need to do a little goddamn homework about what your country has done for others in the last few years and how difficult it is for others to
1. immigrate here legally and
2. to make a living in their home country because of the US's meddling in foreign policy (let me just name Guatemala, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Vietnam, CAFTA, Iraq, Afghanistan to name but a few)
Please do some homework before spouting this right wing BS (read the article below - how desperate must that girl be to make a better life for herself and then she meets someone like you? Fuck me) and pray you never meet me on a dark alley one evening.
:yes: And thank you, Mimi.
And that is all I can bear to say in this thread. The self-inflicted ignorance is both overwhelming and enraging.
Djoser
03-23-2008, 05:48 PM
Simple law of numbers simplified:
Lets say 25 girls are working on a given night. Lets say 50 customers come in. Girls earn X amount of dollars.
Lets say on the next night 10 of the illegal, law breaking, paperless strippers were hauled off by INS, same amount of custies came in... (now there are only 15 dancers working).... I'd say there is a good chance the girls left will make more cash.
But customers will not stay as long if there are significantly less dancers in the club. This is an incontrovertible fact that some dancers are not aware of. You might be cutting your own throat, in a sense, to snitch out dancers in your club. Depending on the ratio. Nearly half the dancers gone means a significant loss in customer base, every time.
cameron_keys
03-23-2008, 05:48 PM
I am not against immigration either..not at ALL. This country was built on immigration.I am against ILLEGAL immigration. It drains the US's resources and honestly..we just cant support everyone who wants to come here. It just cant be done. So we need a way to distinguish who can come here and who cant and how many we allow in.
And with so many people breaking their necks, paying the fees, going to all the interviews..everything that is involved with legal immigration...coming here,living here and working here illegally just plain isnt fair. And every one of my friends who are either in the process of legally immigrating or went through the process agrees with me. Why should some people be allowed to come here with no fees or laws or do any of the hard work involved in coming legally,when they had to do it?
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 05:49 PM
And with so many people breaking their necks, paying the fees, going to all the interviews..everything that is involved with legal immigration...coming here,living here and working here illegally just plain isnt fair. And every one of my friends who are either in the process of legally immigrating or went through the process agrees with me. Why should some people be allowed to come here with no fees or laws or do any of the hard work involved in coming legally,when they had to do it?
Damn Skippy!!!! :yes:
Oh I'm not against Immigration by any means! It would be hypocritical of me to do so!!! LOL.
I just think that there is a process that exists for a reason. It's checks and balances. Border States are dealing with a major influx of illegals that are wearing down social services by overwhelming hospitals with un-reimbursed procedures in the millions of $$$... hospitals are closing down and legal citizens can't get help because illegal immigrants are breaking our system, public schools are overcrowded because a plethora of illegal women cross the border to give birth so that THEY can't be deported because their child is technically a citizen.... it's a scheme and a scam.
Sorry Mim's, I won't make the mistake of underestimating the intelligence of these people that are milking the system for every last drop.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 05:50 PM
this would only turn out to be the case if your club's customers are still willing to spend money on lap dances and conversation instead of handjobs and blowjobs !
:rotfl: ah..... my angel....
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 05:51 PM
But customers will not stay as long if there are significantly less dancers in the club. This is an incontrovertible fact that some dancers are not aware of. You might be cutting your own throat, in a sense, to snitch out dancers in your club. Depending on the ratio. Nearly half the dancers gone means a significant loss in customer base, every time.
Nonononono....... that was just an example.... the numbers were arbitrary.
head turner
03-23-2008, 05:51 PM
this would only turn out to be the case if your club's customers are still willing to spend money on lap dances and conversation instead of handjobs and blowjobs !
another reason why management allows extra's in Miami and it is so prevalent. Men in Miami are spoiled by it. If they knew there was no possibility of extra's they would come in less for sure. I have heard of good customers being chased out by it too though?
But yes, the host's of miami sold gold are living in mansions on the beach. They are the ones setting the dirty girls up with the big spenders. There is only REAL money in prostitution now. At least in Miami
kikidejavu
03-23-2008, 05:53 PM
Sorry... I misinterpret. I guess after Mimi's scathing take on the situation I felt a little cornered. Accept my apologies. :-*
Work Visas... are one option... like Mimi said... homework. Immigrants can't expect to come here and expect for everything to fall into place. It took about a decade and a half for my mom to go through the process from start to finish. It paid off for her... and for me.... I am damn lucky. But that doesn't mean that I wouldn't do the same if I had to.
And as Cameron pointed out: The government does fuck up... like a lot... and you just have to stay on top of things and keep on truckin'. Bureaucracy is a BITCH....
ok, so now i am wondering what are their reasons for not going through the steps...
im guessing they have good reason....like someone shooting up their town or something, because i doubt they would take the risk of coming here, and not having somewhere to live and work, if the situation wasn't dire. i guess i just dont want to assume they are lazy, money leechers as has been implied.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 05:54 PM
ok, so now i am wondering what are their reasons for not going through the steps...
im guessing they have good reason....like someone shooting up their town or something, because i doubt they would take the risk of coming here, and not having somewhere to live and work, if the situation wasn't dire. i guess i just dont want to assume they are lazy, money leechers as has been implied.
I think it's a combination of desperation, impatience, and greed.
I'll give $$$ to charities but my place of business is not a fucking charity.
Jenny
03-23-2008, 05:54 PM
this would only turn out to be the case if your club's customers are still willing to spend money on lap dances and conversation instead of handjobs and blowjobs !
I would suggest that this is not entirely accurate. Because a guy spends money on me - whether I'm illegal or not - is no guarantee that he will spend it on anyone else, mileage completely aside.
personally, I never had an axe to grind with illegal immigrant girls dancing. But I DID have a problem with the handjobs and blowjobs they brought into the clubs ... which also caused changes in customer expectations as well as in the behavior of legal American girls and also in the attitude of club management which won't go away even if/when the illegal girls are gone.
I would suggest that this is a problem related to trafficking and that the girls themselves, all other things being equal, are not more likely to perform handjobs and blowjobs.
JustJayda
03-23-2008, 05:56 PM
sidebar:
Maybe I'm just not in "the know", but I have worked in club with a large amount of Brazilian (illegal) dancers (Playhouse lounge in NJ), and they weren't "pimped".
Just saying, we shouldn't assume that they aren't just money-hungry strippers ,like everyone else. Only difference is they are willing to do much more for much less, because they work in volume, and they don't see shit wrong with the concept at all.
Now, I will say I know for a fact that many of these girls were "recruited" by another girl that has been working at the club for ions. She pays their way over etc., and they in-turn owe her between 6-10k. After that, they are free and clear.
Seems like the same shit that I hear happens with regard to the Vietnamese nail shops that are everywhere, but I don't know about the nail shops personally.
I'm not taking sides in this thread..yet. However, I do think its bullshit that these hos (and yes, they are hos) get to bank crazy, cuz they don't have any real ties to this country, therefore(I think) they don't give a shit about how they are perceived etc.
Even a certified whore can't compete with these girls, cuz repeat, the bitches have no problem working in volume..FOR THE LOW (that means cheap).
Would them being "legal" change this?....dunno., but they damn sure wouldn't be coming over in droves, if they had to jump through a few more red-taped hoops before being able to buy their 300k house in Bergen county with cash.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 05:58 PM
Oh Shit... the infamous Playhouse.... Filthy filthy filthy!!!!!!
Melonie
03-23-2008, 05:58 PM
I would suggest that this is a problem related to trafficking and that the girls themselves, all other things being equal, are not more likely to perform handjobs and blowjobs.
^^^ from my contact with illegal girls working as dancers in the NY/NJ area as well as in Texas, it seems to boil down to a simple matter of probabilities. The earnings potential available to them in America is 3-5-10 times as great as in their home country for doing the same handjobs and blowjobs that are a basic expectation in their home country. So while illegal girls may not be volunteering to do handjobs and blowjobs out of personal desire, they certainly accept these as part of a profitable business model (which was usually well established in their home country before they came to America).
The odds of them being discovered and deported are extremely low, and they know it. Thus even if they are discovered and deported after 5 years, they will have already earned as much money during those 5 years in America as they would have earned in their home country over their entire working lifetime. Thus the 'smart' illegal girls scrimp and save and/or send money back to their home country.
BlueJeanBaby
03-23-2008, 06:00 PM
I have several things to say to this, but I'll try and condense.
That is the most utterly foul and reprehensible thing anyone has ever written on this goddamn forum and I physically feel ill right now. Do you know how many fucking countries are in the shitter because of YOUR govt's foreign policies? YOUR countries actions abroad? Do you ever stop to think how YOU got your goddamn ass into the States? Was it YOUR land? Were your ancestors born here? And who did they take the land from? As someone who has suffered from immigration policy and worked in conjunction with many pro-immigrant groups to promote policies like the DREAM act (www.cosa.org) this is an issue which is REALLY important to me and have someone lie you who knows sweet fa come along and say such ill-advice bollox is more than I can take. Please, someone, explain to this girl WHY HER SCREECHING MAKES THE WORLD THINK AMERICANS ARE ALL STUPID.
Really, I can't even say how much I want to yell at you for something so repulsive and selfish and downright stupid. You need to do a little goddamn homework about what your country has done for others in the last few years and how difficult it is for others to
1. immigrate here legally and
2. to make a living in their home country because of the US's meddling in foreign policy (let me just name Guatemala, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Vietnam, CAFTA, Iraq, Afghanistan to name but a few)
Please do some homework before spouting this right wing BS (read the article below - how desperate must that girl be to make a better life for herself and then she meets someone like you? Fuck me) and pray you never meet me on a dark alley one evening.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/nyregion/21immigrant.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
I hear what you are saying, however...
You bring up the point of "americans took this land from someone else" to defend your point. This is not a valid arguement. Just as you mentioned that people like the OP are "born lucky", legal citizens of the United States were either born into it or were born into a situation that made it possible for them to be here legally. So pointing out things that happened before any of us even existed has nothing to do with our current situation. It is no one's problem here that we fought a war with mexico a long, long time ago over land that is now part of the US....it is no ones problem or fault here that Europeans came to this land and took it from the native americans. I dont' justify it, however I am not responsible for it either. Just as by accident of birth some people are born into countries that they want to flee from, by accident of birth some people weren't. The fact of the matter is we live in a country right now that has laws in place regarding immigration.
Does some sort of resolution need to be made in terms of our immigration policies? I think so!
But a big issue right now with illegal immigration that is disconcerting to those here legally is that there is a great deal of crime involved in areas that have a high amount of illegal aliens. Here in Phoenix, for example, we have a group of people called "coyotes", who are here illegally, and they kidnap other illegals for ransom. I doubt I need to explain why. They are also involved in human trafficking. This is a terrible practice, I doubt it's hard to see why people don't want this happening here. And of course, this is but one example. There is also an issue of identity theft regarding illegal immigration. For those that try to pursue a more fair work base or try to skirt the government, they need to come up with social security numbers to use....which sadly are often taken from people in this country who are here legally. This has happened to me, and I was lucky that this persons employer tipped off authorities that they believed something was going on before I had too serious of a problem on my hands. (It started to show up when someone else was filing taxes under my soc #).
Anyone who has had their identity stolen, (doesn't matter by who) will tell you what a nightmare that is. You can literally destroy someones life doing this. It is not fair to citizens of this country to be expected to put up with that.
I'm not trying to imply all illegals do this at all, I think it's a shame for the people coming here to make something of themselves, and have to deal with the backlash from some coming here and bring grief and problems.
However, it IS happening. The crime associated with areas with a high concentration of illegal immigrants is not something that people in this country are happy about.
The bottom line really is that there is a legal way to come here, and an illegal way to come here.
It is a strain on our resources to accomodate a large (and ever growing) population that do not pay taxes, and essentially take advantage of our system.
(I am not, however, going to argue that illegal immigrants take jobs from Americans because I do not feel this is a valid argument.)
I do however believe that there needs to be some reform that makes it easier for individuals to come to America with the goal of pursuing opportunities that they wouldn't have otherwise have. I don't want anyone deported (especially not if they've been here long and have established themselves and their family) unless they have committed a crime here (disregarding the fact that coming here illegaly is a crime in and of itself).
Before I finish, I would like to bring up the statement(s) you made about US foreign policy. Again, not the point. While I absolutely am NOT pleased with our foreign policy.....I don't think that it is necessarily relevant in the sense you implied. Just because things are horrible in other countries does not mean Americans should be expected to WANT to import those problems into their own country. Which is what is happening with illegal immigration. And I argue that anyone who cannot see that is not really taking the time to understand both sides of the issue at hand. In addition, it is not fair either to punish American citizens with these problems because of actions their government has taken.
To reiterate, I am not disagreeing with you on the fact that something needs to be changed regarding our immigration policies, and (on a tangent) foreign policies as well.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 06:00 PM
The odds of them being discovered and deported are extremely low, and they know it.
Why is it so low? Why don't we work to change it? I'm offering? Need your club cleaned up? I know more than a few ho's that need to go!!!!
Why can't anyone find the INS hotline???? I'm googling like crazy!
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 06:08 PM
I have several things to say to this, but I'll try and condense.
That is the most utterly foul and reprehensible thing anyone has ever written on this goddamn forum and I physically feel ill right now. Do you know how many fucking countries are in the shitter because of YOUR govt's foreign policies? YOUR countries actions abroad? Do you ever stop to think how YOU got your goddamn ass into the States? Was it YOUR land? Were your ancestors born here? And who did they take the land from? As someone who has suffered from immigration policy and worked in conjunction with many pro-immigrant groups to promote policies like the DREAM act (www.cosa.org (http://www.cosa.org)) this is an issue which is REALLY important to me and have someone lie you who knows sweet fa come along and say such ill-advice bollox is more than I can take. Please, someone, explain to this girl WHY HER SCREECHING MAKES THE WORLD THINK AMERICANS ARE ALL STUPID.
I'm typing, not screeching. Plus your link doesn't work so don't be the one calling people stupid. LOL;D
Really, I can't even say how much I want to yell at you for something so repulsive and selfish and downright stupid. You need to do a little goddamn homework about what your country has done for others in the last few years and how difficult it is for others to
1. immigrate here legally and
2. to make a living in their home country because of the US's meddling in foreign policy (let me just name Guatemala, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Vietnam, CAFTA, Iraq, Afghanistan to name but a few)
If we are affecting these countries, why aren't there Iraqi, Afghani, Vietnamese, Bolivian, and Nicaraguan dancers flooding the clubs?
The US didn't do jack shit to Romania, Hungary, Russia, Brazil, etc. for aeons.... the cold war is over baby and Brazil is a damn nice vacation spot that has zero meddling with the States.
Please do some homework before spouting this right wing BS (read the article below - how desperate must that girl be to make a better life for herself and then she meets someone like you? Fuck me) and pray you never meet me on a dark alley one evening.
Don't threaten me in print either.... you are off your rocker??? Stay in your alley....
Why can't people just agree to disagree?
head turner
03-23-2008, 06:09 PM
i know for fact that about AT LEAST 30 percent of the women at miami solid gold are pimped because the pimps come in to check up on them and pick them up. Girls "owned" by the same pimp talk about it in the club. About half of them are illegally working.
A lot of major city strip clubs have this problem. I didn't see nearly as much in Vegas though, maybe because you need licensing? Maybe that is what miami/ny needs to enforce?
cameron_keys
03-23-2008, 06:09 PM
Why is it so low? Why don't we work to change it? I'm offering? Need your club cleaned up? I know more than a few ho's that need to go!!!!
Why can't anyone find the INS hotline???? I'm googling like crazy!
INS Hotline: (800) 375-5283
cameron_keys
03-23-2008, 06:12 PM
another reason why management allows extra's in Miami and it is so prevalent. Men in Miami are spoiled by it. If they knew there was no possibility of extra's they would come in less for sure. I have heard of good customers being chased out by it too though?
But yes, the host's of miami sold gold are living in mansions on the beach. They are the ones setting the dirty girls up with the big spenders. There is only REAL money in prostitution now. At least in Miami
QFT!! Though I'd HAPPILY take less GOOD customers over a club full of hooker-seekers. It would take awhile to get the word spread that things have changed though,so the clubs would see a dip in income that some wouldnt recover from in the meantime while the crap cheapass whoremongers stopped coming and the gentlemen started filling the gentlemans clubs again. No club I know is willing to do that.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 06:13 PM
Belss your heart for the numero, Cam.... now onto Jersey....
Melonie
03-23-2008, 06:13 PM
^^^ to answer your question frankly, because the INS does not WANT to deal with illegal immigrants that are involved in lines of work that could prove embarrassing, or which involves opening a Pandora's Box worth of additional problems !
It's one thing to bust a bunch of illegal workers working at 'regular jobs' at a meat packing company or a vegetable farm or a construction contractor or a cleaning firm. It's quite another thing altogether to bust a bunch of strippers working as prostitutes at a club which has ties to the 'underworld'.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 06:16 PM
^^^ to answer your question frankly, because the INS does not WANT to deal with illegal immigrants that are involved in lines of work that could prove embarrassing, or which involves opening a Pandora's Box worth of additional problems !
I'll use the Russian mob as an example.... why wouldn't the government want to bring them down? Stripper Agencies are often tied (rather snugly) to a variety of other illegal operations.... why don't we want to stop them?
Send home the ho's, the pimps, the drug dealers/importers, send home the mob bosses laundering money and living the high life on fat cat cash brought into their hands by the handjobs and blowjobs of my country-women under threat and duress.
Melonie
03-23-2008, 06:20 PM
^^^ again to answer your question bluntly, too much paperwork and too much finger-pointing. When a meat packing plant is busted for illegal alien workers, other than the illegal workers the business was pretty much operating legally to start with ... thus there is no beef between the feds and state / local LE. However, if the feds go into a strip club, and in the process of busting illegal alien dancers also bring up a whole bunch of new issues i.e. prostitution, money laundering, drugs and god knows what else, then all of a sudden the feds have to start asking state and local LE a whole bunch of embarassing questions ..... questions in regard to what the locals did or didn't know about club operations, questions about why this club wasn't busted by the locals if they knew that prostitution and other laws were being broken .... I'm sure you get my drift.
Morgan_TX
03-23-2008, 06:23 PM
I haven't read all the replies, but I want to throw my $.02 in here. I used to work in Deportations for the INS (now BICE), so here goes...
You can make a call to your local INS office to make a report of illegal co-workers. It's as simple as making a call. Of course, depending on how busy they are, they may or may not get around to actually doing a BUST. When/if INS does a bust, they'll usually just send two agents discreetly into the manager's office to check paperwork. If all the paperwork appears to be in order, they'll usually just walk out. If there are discrepancies, they'll call the dancers/employees in question into the office and ask them to clarify. If they can't clarify, they'll be processed and detained until a)they can post bail, if bail is offered; b)they're deported; or c)they agree to a "voluntary return" (VR) or a "voluntary departure" (VD). With a VR, the government pays to send them home, but they have to admit that they're in the country illegally. Also, when the government offers a VR, they do NOT suffer from deportation penalties (mandatory 5-10 year bar on re-entering the U.S.). With a VD, they have to pay their way home and provide proof (via a plane ticket) that they actually WENT, but again, there are no deportation penalties. Provided that they haven't committed any crimes while being here and that they are not on the terrorist watch list (or from a country on the terrorist watch list), they will generally be eligible for a VD or a VR.
There are also two other options for people who have had hard stories: The first is to apply for asylum. All they have to do to apply for asylum is explain that they left their country due to some fear of persecution. If their application is approved, they can be granted asylee status, which would allow them the LEGAL right to work ANYWHERE in the U.S. The other way is to apply for a T-status visa. The T visa is reserved for victims of human trafficking, so if they were brought here by the Russian mafia, they can remain in the U.S. with a T-status visa.
I hate to say it, but it's a lot harder to deport people than you might think. The fact is that the people who REALLY have hard-luck cases (fleeing persecution, human trafficking, etc.) should report themselves to the INS ANYWAYS--they can work in the country LEGALLY. Also, T-status visas and asylee status can be applied for AFTER being "caught".
I say let BICE worry about it. They're not going to deport somebody who's here because they're afraid of being kidnapped and killed by some rebel army, and they're not going to deport someone who was brought here by the Russian mafia.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 06:25 PM
^^^^ Damn smart....
josie
03-23-2008, 06:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mimi NY http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/themes/rising/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1462557#post1462557)
Really, I can't even say how much I want to yell at you for something so repulsive and selfish and downright stupid. You need to do a little goddamn homework about what your country has done for others in the last few years and how difficult it is for others to
1. immigrate here legally and
2. to make a living in their home country because of the US's meddling in foreign policy (let me just name Guatemala, Nicaragua, Bolivia, Vietnam, CAFTA, Iraq, Afghanistan to name but a few)
If we are affecting these countries, why aren't there Iraqi, Afghani, Vietnamese, Bolivian, and Nicaraguan dancers flooding the clubs?
The US didn't do jack shit to Romania, Hungary, Russia, Brazil, etc. for aeons.... the cold war is over baby and Brazil is a damn nice vacation spot that has zero meddling with the States.
Did you miss the whole 9/11 thing? It's pretty hard to move here from a terrorist state.
RebeccaSolidarity
03-23-2008, 06:34 PM
I am without words.
Morgan_TX
03-23-2008, 06:35 PM
Did you miss the whole 9/11 thing? It's pretty hard to move here from a terrorist state.
If you're moving here from a terrorist state ILLEGALLY, it's not that difficult at all. You just cross a land border into a neighborhing country and catch a flight from THAT country into Canada, then cross the land border to the U.S. Canada is still far less stringent than the U.S. on terrorist nations, and it's a lot easier to get into Canada than the U.S. (even after 9/11). Or, alternatively, fly into Mexico.
Not that hard...
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 06:35 PM
Did you miss the whole 9/11 thing? It's pretty hard to move here from a terrorist state.
It's just silly to connect an influx of Brazilian and Colombian and Russian girls with the War in Iraq right now.
I was just pointing out that it's not connected.... Mim's made the initial logical error in her statement.
That's all.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 06:36 PM
If you're moving here from a terrorist state ILLEGALLY, it's not that difficult at all. You just cross a land border into a neighborhing country and catch a flight from THAT country into Canada, then cross the land border to the U.S. Canada is still far less stringent than the U.S. on terrorist nations, and it's a lot easier to get into Canada than the U.S. (even after 9/11). Or, alternatively, fly into Mexico.
Not that hard...
:shrug: indeed.... it's not. I hope things can get fixed and I can wave goodbye to about 12 million folks soon...
Ta-ta!
cameron_keys
03-23-2008, 07:37 PM
I am actually all for granting asylum to people who need it...people who have a legitimate reason to fear being in their country. All I ask is they do it legally. What I have issues with are the people here illegally just to make as much money as they can while ignoring our laws, taking advantage, and depleting our resources so they can take all that money back to their home country.It hurts all of us here who are here legally.
Katrine
03-23-2008, 07:46 PM
Oh man, I am always so torn on this issue. Like Sophia, my parents and I came here from Soviet Russia. We received a special form of asylum that probably no longer exists. Most immigrants don't have this option. OTOH, there is nothing I would like more than to destroy the fucking pimps and gangsters getting rich off the blood of my people, both here and over in Russia and Ukraine.
My friends and I debate this often, re: mexican immigration here in Texas. Its a bit different though given the many direct benefits that having cheap labor provides this state. OTOH, exploitation, etc.....
Either way, my concern isn't that these people need to care about the law. They are doing what they can to make a life for themselves and their family. Trying to force a person to value arbitrary statute isn't going to prevent them from coming to the land of opportunity. Yes, opportunity is still here.
In Soviet Russia, INS give handjobs for 40 ruble?
sun child
03-23-2008, 08:27 PM
Damn, this thread makes me sick. I feel like we all need to be reminded that no matter what your nationality or your whore status, we are all fucking human beings. And you know what, having fellow dancers being deported makes me fucking sick. Goddamn, woman.
Jenny
03-23-2008, 08:30 PM
I feel like we all need to be reminded that no matter what your nationality or your whore status, we are all fucking human beings. Nicely put.
cameron_keys
03-23-2008, 08:32 PM
Yes,but human beings who break the law,have no respect for our country or its laws and take advantage of us should be punished. And the appropriate punishment according to the law is deportation.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 08:38 PM
^^^ Yep. That is what it boils down to. So simple, so pure.
sun child
03-23-2008, 08:39 PM
Well fine, but I have worked with many a beautiful, sweet Brazilian girl who aren't breaking the law, and those are the girls I defend. Girls who are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families. I just feel like it's not my place to call INS on them, and make their lives a living hell. The implications of you calling INS are far beyond what you probably know; you are probably banning these girls from America for life and ruining their chances of ever receiving a legitimate American citizenship, the legal way that you so expound upon. It's just a bitch move IMO.
Jenny
03-23-2008, 08:42 PM
^^^ Yep. That is what it boils down to. So simple, so pure.I think one could reasonably argue that immigration is not a simple issue, that globalization and the different kinds of opportunities that exist in different parts of the world, not to mention issues of trafficking complicate it; and of course there is the matter of sheer compassion. Personally I think having no respect for compassion and human decency is worse than not having respect for immigration law - but you know. Po-tay-to/po-tah-to.
Sophia_Starina
03-23-2008, 08:44 PM
Well fine, but I have worked with many a beautiful, sweet Brazilian girl who aren't breaking the law, and those are the girls I defend. Girls who are just trying to make a better life for themselves and their families.
They are welcome to apply for citizenship and wait in line like the rest of the people who want better lives in America..... I wish them the best of luck.
velvet
03-23-2008, 08:47 PM
ok i think all the points have been made/shared. this thread is closed.