View Full Version : Please find a way to end the war.
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 11:38 AM
what was the point? was it that I am an idiot or moron....I got it you don't like me....you have that right.
Or was you point that there was no al qaeda presence in Iraq?
who do you think fund these groups?
Or I should go read something?
I am reading SW
*sigh* Wow. Yes, you should definitely go read something. Start .
Dottie Rebel
03-26-2008, 11:38 AM
"No End In Sight" is a great, non-partisan documentary that makes an incredibly compelling case that Iraq was mismanaged and bumbled from the beginning not due to incompetence but rather as a matter of strategy.
You can watch is free here: http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/no_end_in_sight.php
Thump
03-26-2008, 11:39 AM
You don't know how relieved I am that nobody thinks "Thump" is me.
LMAO :D :D
Women weren't being disfigured in Iraq as punishment. Iraq was one of the most liberal Islamic countries, all things considered. So that's another one that falls flat.
"Terrorist" is so vague and useless anyway. Nobody considers themselves a terrorist for the most part. One man's freedom fighter is another man's(the conqueror's) terrorist.
When you say other countries should condemn terrorism, what you are really saying is they should condemn opposition to the Washington Empire, which they aren't going to do.
Let's also not confuse "Jew" with "Israel" as they are quite different. There WERE Jews in Iraq, there are Jews in Syria, Iran, etc. There are Jews all over the middle east, not just Israel.
The minute people start blurring the Jew/Israel line, all discussion breaks down because of the anti-semitic trance-like reaction.
There are many Jews, in Israel and the US, who are against what the US does and what Israel does.
As far as the Jewish homeland, that's a whole other can of worms as most European Jews have nothing to do with Israel.
Zionists and Wahabists are in the same boat, to me. I'm fine with their nutty crusades, but just me out of it.
But since I love the topic so much:
Ten questions to the Zionists
by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl ZT"L
Dean of Nitra Yeshiva
1.
IS IT TRUE that in 1941 and again in 1942, the German Gestapo offered all European Jews transit to Spain, if they would relinquish all their property in Germany and Occupied France; on condition that:
a) none of the deportees travel from Spain to Palestine; and
b) all the deportees be transported from Spain to the USA or British colonies, and there to remain; with entry visas to be arranged by the Jews living there; and
c) $1000.00 ransom for each family to be furnished by the Agency, payable upon the arrival of the family at the Spanish border at the rate of 1000 families daily.
2.
IS IT TRUE that the Zionist leaders in Switzerland and Turkey received this offer with the clear understanding that the exclusion of Palestine as a destination for the deportees was based on an agreement between the Gestapo and the Mufti.
3.
IS IT TRUE that the answer of the Zionist leaders was negative, with the following comments:
a) ONLY Palestine would be considered as a destination for the deportees.
b) The European Jews must accede to suffering and death greater in measure than the other nations, in order that the victorious allies agree to a "Jewish State" at the end of the war.
c) No ransom will be paid
4.
IS IT TRUE that this response to the Gestapo's offer was made with the full knowledge that the alternative to this offer was the gas chamber.
5.
IS IT TRUE that in 1944, at the time of the Hungarian deportations, a similar offer was made, whereby all Hungarian Jewry could be saved.
6.
IS IT TRUE that the same Zionist hierarchy again refused this offer (after the gas chambers had already taken a toll of millions).
7.
IS IT TRUE that during the height of the killings in the war, 270 Members of the British Parliament proposed to evacuate 500,000 Jews from Europe, and resettle them in British colonies, as a part of diplomatic negotiations with Germany.
8.
IS IT TRUE that this offer was rejected by the Zionist leaders with the observation "Only to Palestine!"
9.
IS IT TRUE that the British government granted visas to 300 rabbis and their families to the Colony of Mauritius, with passage for the evacuees through Turkey. The "Jewish Agency" leaders sabotaged this plan with the observation that the plan was disloyal to Palestine, and the 300 rabbis and their families should be gassed.
10.
IS IT TRUE that during the course of the negotiations mentioned above, Chaim Weitzman, the first "Jewish statesman" stated: "The most valuable part of the Jewish nation is already in Palestine, and those Jews living outside Palestine are not too important". Weitzman's cohort, Greenbaum, amplified this statement with the observation "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Europe".
hockeybobby
03-26-2008, 11:46 AM
Um, not to jack the thread, but as a Jew and a Zionist I would reject that offer. We were offered territory in Uganda and we turned it down because Uganda is not our homeland, and neither is Canada. WE are the people who had Israel before. The land is ours.
The first president of Israel was speaking with the British Parliament and he was asked, "Why do you Jews insist on Palestine when there are so many other areas where you could settle more conveniently?" Weizmann responded, "That is like my asking you why you drove two hours to visit your mother last Sunday when there are so many other little old ladies living right on your street."
Yes, you are right Yek. My idea comes from a position of ignorance on the subject, and purely as a toss it out there thing. I mean no disrespect. Peace in the middle east is a complex issue requiring more than child-like random utopian ideas.
Thump
03-26-2008, 11:47 AM
*sigh* Wow. Yes, you should definitely go read something. Start here (http://www.caalusa.org/).
I'd still put a buck in you garter
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 11:49 AM
No worries, Bobby. :D
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 11:49 AM
I'd still put a buck in you garter
Damn straight you would.
Paris
03-26-2008, 12:14 PM
Um, not to jack the thread, but as a Jew and a Zionist I would reject that offer. We were offered territory in Uganda and we turned it down because Uganda is not our homeland, and neither is Canada. WE are the people who had Israel before. The land is ours.
The first president of Israel was speaking with the British Parliament and he was asked, "Why do you Jews insist on Palestine when there are so many other areas where you could settle more conveniently?" Weizmann responded, "That is like my asking you why you drove two hours to visit your mother last Sunday when there are so many other little old ladies living right on your street."
Wait a minute, let me get this correct. The reason why Israel and Palestine are conflicted is because some people carry a certain set of genes that entitles them to rule over a particular piece of land?/:O
Did I understand that correctly? No wonder the Arabs are pissed. That sounds like blatant racism. Maybe I misunderstood?
If that is the case, anyone of European or Asian heritage can claim land in the middle east because that is the evolutionary start to those populations. Aside from Africa, all of the world's current population originated in the Middle East.
This sounds a bit like the Native American Reservations here in the US. Their right to the land is based only on genetics. Could American Indians reclaim Manhattan just because they were there first? It was, after all, their land before the Europeans settled it. By the above rules of Israel it sounds almost reasonable.
bem401
03-26-2008, 12:28 PM
I think we need to stay in Iraq till we win, which means Al Qaeda is at the very least severely marginalized. Packing up and leaving will create much larger problems down the road. Criticize the war and its strategies all you want ( there's plenty to criticize ), but at least the deaths are not occurring in the United States, as I fear would be the case were we not taking the fight to them.
xdamage
03-26-2008, 12:38 PM
I am an Israeli supporter and a Jew to the end, and it has been made clear the all Jews are the enemy of Muslims. Are there Arab Muslims who are good people? without a doubt there are, but I am not going to go looking for them. They should make themselves visible and heard instead of silent and unseen. Show me that Afghanistan, Jordan, Iraq, saudi Arabia, Iran, lebanon, Bahrain, libia....etc are willing to take precise and sever actions on those that jeopardize piece and my thinking may sway. Setting bounties on terrorists then turning around and sheltering them from persecution is not doing it for me.
My father is very much Jewish and growing up had learned and harbored a fairly strong dis-love (euphemism) of Arabs. Finally he grew out of it, and I find his opinions now to be a little less clear about where he stands. Because now his views also have to incorporate that Arabs are people too. Strangely, I think it's a good thing. I don't have absolute crystal clear answers, but I am worried by those who take a very complex situation, and reduce it to simplicities.
As I mentioned in an earlier post in this thread, there is an argument that says that the only way to motivate Arab governments to reign in extremism is strong, excessive force on the part of the rest of the world. That without it, those governments will go on encouraging America and Israeli scapegoating because it takes pressure off the Arab leaders to improve conditions in their own country.
My guess is the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Arabs are certainly in large part responsible for their own living conditions, societies, the degree to which religion interferes with government, etc. And if their problems impact on the rest of the world, the rest of the world will assuredly respond in some way.
I don't really object to your strong hate of specific happenings. I guess I just don't see that a generalized hatred of Arab people (or passing that on) is helpful. Likewise I don't condone Arabs who teach their children to hate Jews. It isn't helping solve the problems in the region, and may well prevent it from ever being resolved.
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 12:38 PM
Who said anything whatsoever about genetics?
Maybe we should start (another?) Zionism thread.
Eric Stoner
03-26-2008, 12:40 PM
Just from a strictly historical basis, Israel was populated by Jews,Samaritans
Egyptians, Syrians, Hittites and Beduoin tribesmen BEFORE the fall of the Second Temple. So if God "gave" Palestine ( Israel ) to the Jews they forgot to make sure they were getting an exclusive.
After the Exodus, the Jews CONQUERED Canaan; the "land of milk and honey".Remember: "Joshua fit the battle of Jericho and the walls came tumbling down."
jester214
03-26-2008, 01:11 PM
I beleive the Jewish people deserve a homeland. I'm not so sure if I beleive that Homeland should have been where it is.
TheSexKitten
03-26-2008, 02:02 PM
OH YEAH, sticks and stone may break my bone but words will never hurt me....your rubber I'm glue whatever you say bounces of me and sticks to.
I LOL'd :D
LadyLuck
03-26-2008, 02:22 PM
Member is a free-for-all.
Ah, ok.
It explains a few things for me too. I had been wondering why people who I've seen violate the site rules which I read when signing up had not been dealt with by Mods. Now I know it's because they did it here. Didn't know this was a free for all section but it makes sense now.
Thanks for the info.
Zinaida
03-26-2008, 02:31 PM
as a Jew and a Zionist I would reject that offer. We were offered territory in Uganda and we turned it down because Uganda is not our homeland, and neither is Canada. WE are the people who had Israel before. The land is ours.
Nevermind the fact that that was way back in the seventh century. Who cares about the non-Jewish settlers that were inhabiting the land since then.
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 03:38 PM
The seventh century? Huh?
If somebody wants to argue against Zionism, please start a new thread. I feel uncomfortable jacking this one.
hockeybobby
03-26-2008, 03:48 PM
I have no problem whatever direction this thread goes in the pursuit of peaceful ideas for the middle east. Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, heck anything that's happening over there, or over here for that matter can be on the table as far as I'm concerned. It is a multi-faceted complex issue. :)
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 03:53 PM
Well, in my opinion there can be no peace in the Middle East as long as Muslims are committed to war. You simply can't have peace with an enemy that is sworn to kill you; your only options are to fight back for survival, or give up and die. Israel and Western civilization aren't willing to give up and die, so our only other option is to maintain our defense, and sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
The war between Israel and the Arabs will end on the day that the Arabs lay down their weapons. Israel is 100% on the defensive here. If the Arabs want peace, they only have to stop killing. It really is that simple.
hockeybobby
03-26-2008, 04:00 PM
Well, in my opinion there can be no peace in the Middle East as long as Muslims are committed to war. You simply can't have peace with an enemy that is sworn to kill you; your only options are to fight back for survival, or give up and die. Israel and Western civilization aren't willing to give up and die, so our only other option is to maintain our defense, and sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
The war between Israel and the Arabs will end on the day that the Arabs lay down their weapons. Israel is 100% on the defensive here. If the Arabs want peace, they only have to stop killing. It really is that simple.
Yek, they seem to get close to an agreement between the Israelis and the Palestinians at times, then things fall to shit when someone starts shooting again. Usually, the proferred agreement involves a land division, and a recognition of Israel's right to exist. Do you think a variation of this can/will eventually prevail?
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 04:11 PM
No. The mainstream Arab community in the Middle East does not want a recognition of Israel, and the dictatorships find it more expedient to blame Israel for all the problems in the Arab world because it keeps the people obedient. We HAVE a two-state solution already - the former Palestine was divided into Israel and Transjordan (now Jordan). I see no reason to further carve up Israel, which is already shockingly tiny, just to reward terrorists for killing Jews and encourage them to kill more of us.
Every time they slaughter Jews, the world screams that we should reward them for it. And that's supposed to stop the violence? Puh-leez. The only thing they respect is force. Personally, I think Israel should raze an Arab city for every terrorist attack.
bem401
03-26-2008, 04:17 PM
Well, in my opinion there can be no peace in the Middle East as long as Muslims are committed to war. You simply can't have peace with an enemy that is sworn to kill you; your only options are to fight back for survival, or give up and die. Israel and Western civilization aren't willing to give up and die, so our only other option is to maintain our defense, and sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
The war between Israel and the Arabs will end on the day that the Arabs lay down their weapons. Israel is 100% on the defensive here. If the Arabs want peace, they only have to stop killing. It really is that simple.
It would appear that many American liberals are ready to give up, at least in Iraq for the time being. Once you back down and accept defeat, it is much easier the next time to do the same. If we back out of Iraq now, it would embolden the Islamafascists to turn next to Israel and/or the US homeland itself.
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 04:18 PM
Yep. We should never have gone into Iraq in the first place, but we damn sure can't turn tail now.
xdamage
03-26-2008, 04:19 PM
Well, in my opinion there can be no peace in the Middle East as long as Muslims are committed to war. ...
Well, you would probably like Sam Harris' book, "The End of Faith". He has little positive to say about any religion, but he definitely has a lot to say about extreme Muslim beliefs and the impact on that region (in particular the strong focus on killing infidels).
The interesting thing is if you follow his reasoning, he essentially believes that the most difficult problem is not the Extremists. Rather it is the "moderates" who make apologies for extremist behavior and make it terribly politically incorrect to deal straight up with identifying the problems head on. Thus nobody can speak up because the moderates are offended, reminding everyone that their religion is about "love".
The irony in it is that the Extremists don't see the moderates as brethren at all. They see themselves as the "True Believers" and they see the moderates as wishy-washy fallen who are worse than the non-believers. Sam Harris is very clear about one thing though. The "Extremists" really do believe that the rest of Infidels deserve death. It is not a wishy washy question in their mind. It is absolute and very clear truth for them. And that is something that does concern the hell out of me, particularly in an era that has technology undreamed of a century ago.
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 04:23 PM
Yup. It's the world's fastest-growing religion too, and they're outbreeding everyone else on top of that. It's extremely frustrating that Western society would rather just look the other way and whistle than deal with the problem.
LadyLuck
03-26-2008, 05:53 PM
Every time they slaughter Jews, the world screams that we should reward them for it. And that's supposed to stop the violence? Puh-leez. The only thing they respect is force. Personally, I think Israel should raze an Arab city for every terrorist attack.
Well, in my opinion there can be no peace in the Middle East as long as Muslims are committed to war. You simply can't have peace with an enemy that is sworn to kill you; your only options are to fight back for survival, or give up and die. Israel and Western civilization aren't willing to give up and die, so our only other option is to maintain our defense, and sometimes the best defense is a good offense.
The war between Israel and the Arabs will end on the day that the Arabs lay down their weapons. Israel is 100% on the defensive here. If the Arabs want peace, they only have to stop killing. It really is that simple.
Wow. You may not realize this because it's such an emotional issue for you personally but that sounds EXACTLY like how Bin Laden speaks of the US.
Wise words you might want to consider:
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one - Nietzsche
Flick6
03-26-2008, 06:00 PM
Wow my brain hurts from all this now! I still think Thump you are kinda an ignoramus, none of your arguments seem logical to me.
Lol, but the logical points on here hurt my brain!!! I have a lot of respect for how educated some of you are on your countries politics.
Bobby lets sit under a maple syrup tree and send out some love vibes??
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 06:03 PM
How so? I've never heard any American official, let alone the mainstream American citizenry, repeatedly screaming that all Arabs should be slaughtered and every Arab nation should be driven into the sea. I hear Arabs saying that about Jews every day though. The only way they'll ever be appeased is if we're exterminated. Since we're not willing to go along with that, there will not be peace until the Arabs stop killing. Plain and simple.
hockeybobby
03-26-2008, 06:09 PM
Bobby lets sit under a maple syrup tree and send out some love vibes??
I'm so game for that :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
LadyLuck
03-26-2008, 06:19 PM
I'm so game for that :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat
Mind if I join too? I'll bring us a nice tye dye sheet to sit on and some pot brownies to eat :peace:
jester214
03-26-2008, 06:35 PM
Yep. We should never have gone into Iraq in the first place, but we damn sure can't turn tail now.
Wow Yek, you just quoted something I've said before...
Yekhefah
03-26-2008, 06:36 PM
Great minds, LOL!
hockeybobby
03-26-2008, 06:38 PM
Mind if I join too? I'll bring us a nice tye dye sheet to sit on and some pot brownies to eat :peace:
haha...OM NOM NOM NOM .......A LOVE IN!!! Remember those? :)
jester214
03-26-2008, 06:41 PM
Wow. You may not realize this because it's such an emotional issue for you personally but that sounds EXACTLY like how Bin Laden speaks of the US.
Wise words you might want to consider:
Be careful when you fight the monsters, lest you become one - Nietzsche
Bin Laden?? Bin Laden preaches the killing of innocents in the name of his God. Bin Laden also has little truth behind what he says. To compare her to him is not just wrong it's revolting.
And by the way, Nietzche was out of his mind...
Thump
03-26-2008, 07:24 PM
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Flick6
03-26-2008, 07:43 PM
haha...OM NOM NOM NOM .......A LOVE IN!!! Remember those? :)
Lol, ah no I don't REMEMBER them, I wasn't around in the 60/70s!!
But I'm all for a tie dye rug love in party with lots of maple syrup. ;D
xdamage
03-27-2008, 08:40 AM
Bin Laden preaches the killing of innocents in the name of his God.
This is kind of a key issue. I am not sure but it seems some do not consider this all that relevant in what is happening in the middle east, while others see it as cancer that can only spread if it is not treated aggressively.
One theory also says that if living conditions improve for Arabs, people will have more to live for and that this extremist view will die out of it's own accord. In the mean time though, mix religion that has an interpretation of "Kill the Infidels" plus young men with limited future options, too much testosterone, and promises that their God will reward them for killing, and well.. we have what we have.
Part of the problem though is the Arabs do have to change. They have resources, oil, but if those resources aren't being distributed to the people and are held by only the wealthy ruling classes, who is to blaim for that? And there is a theory that says, the Arab governments encourage hatred of Jews and Americans because it keeps the focus of the people off them, and their greed.
Also it is disturbing that we don't see more products except for oil coming out of Arab countries. Their contribution to the world's technology, art, industry is not what it should be. Maybe that is because there is too much dependence on oil, or maybe that is because their culture is not encouraging greater interaction with the rest of the world. I don't know.
jester214
03-27-2008, 08:47 AM
This is kind of a key issue. I am not sure but it seems some do not consider this all that relevant in what is happening in the middle east, while others see it as cancer that can only spread if it is not treated aggressively.
One theory also says that if living conditions improve for Arabs, people will have more to live for and that this extremist view will die out of it's own accord. In the mean time though, mix religion that has an interpretation of "Kill the Infidels" plus young men with limited future options, too much testosterone, and promises that their God will reward them for killing, and well.. we have what we have.
Part of the problem though is the Arabs do have to change. They have resources, oil, but if those resources aren't being distributed to the people and are held by only the wealthy ruling classes, who is to blaim for that? And there is a theory that says, the Arab governments encourage hatred of Jews and Americans because it keeps the focus of the people off them, and their greed.
Also it is disturbing that we don't see more products except for oil coming out of Arab countries. Their contribution to the world's technology, art, industry is not what it should be. Maybe that is because there is too much dependence on oil, or maybe that is because their culture is not encouraging greater interaction with the rest of the world. I don't know.
Very true. One thing I think is a real problem is that the people who control the oil, the rich class, can afford to do what they want but also be religous, which get's thrust down on the lower class through their money. I also think the middle eastern governements as a whole put to much focus on religion, in most cases I don't have a problem with the two mixing casually, but a government dominated by religion is a terrible idea.
Paris
03-27-2008, 09:23 AM
Who said anything whatsoever about genetics?
Maybe we should start (another?) Zionism thread.
I drawing a parallel between the Mother vs. neighbor analogy.
Paris
03-27-2008, 09:28 AM
No. The mainstream Arab community in the Middle East does not want a recognition of Israel, and the dictatorships find it more expedient to blame Israel for all the problems in the Arab world because it keeps the people obedient. We HAVE a two-state solution already - the former Palestine was divided into Israel and Transjordan (now Jordan). I see no reason to further carve up Israel, which is already shockingly tiny, just to reward terrorists for killing Jews and encourage them to kill more of us.
Every time they slaughter Jews, the world screams that we should reward them for it. And that's supposed to stop the violence? Puh-leez. The only thing they respect is force. Personally, I think Israel should raze an Arab city for every terrorist attack.
If I've ever heard a good argument for separation of church and state, that's it right there!
Okay, let's get everyone together and have a big announcement that God says you all need to just get along and quit fighting! If everyone doesn't quit fighting God is going to turn this universe around and go home!;D
Melonie
03-27-2008, 09:46 AM
Mossad is generally recognized to have the best intel in the Middle East. I always found it a bity curious that the Israelis had no input about Iraqi WMD's when THEY and Iran would have been Saddam's prime targets.
Who would be Target Number 1 of Iranian nukes ? Israel.
Who is cheering loudest for us to attack Iran ? Israel.
Actually, it was Mossad that tipped America off to the sudden 'exodus' of Russian technicians from Iran, as well as the Baghdad to Damascus flights of Russian 'passenger airliners' (with all of the seats removed) in the two weeks immediately preceding the US invasion of Iraq - an unexpected two week delay that was surprisingly precipitated by supposed NATO ally Turkey at that (refusal of transit rights for US forces and equipment through Turkish land / airspace). But that has never been publicly corroborated, so certain parties are still free to believe that Iraq never had a nuclear program, thus the US / UK invasion occurred for 'underhanded' reasons.
Actually, the longest period of arab / Israeli peace took place immediately after the conclusion of the 6 day war !!! Think about it.
Yekhefah
03-27-2008, 11:01 AM
Okay, let's get everyone together and have a big announcement that God says you all need to just get along and quit fighting! If everyone doesn't quit fighting God is going to turn this universe around and go home!;D
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Yekhefah
03-27-2008, 11:03 AM
"No End In Sight" is a great, non-partisan documentary that makes an incredibly compelling case that Iraq was mismanaged and bumbled from the beginning not due to incompetence but rather as a matter of strategy.
You can watch is free here:
I just wanted to say thanks for posting this! K and I watched it last night and it was great!
xdamage
03-27-2008, 11:07 AM
Very true. One thing I think is a real problem is that the people who control the oil, the rich class, can afford to do what they want but also be religous, which get's thrust down on the lower class through their money. I also think the middle eastern governements as a whole put to much focus on religion, in most cases I don't have a problem with the two mixing casually, but a government dominated by religion is a terrible idea.
I really hate to say we know best how everyone else should run their countries, but I also think there is a LOT to be said for separating church and state.
Eric Stoner
03-27-2008, 11:44 AM
Actually, it was Mossad that tipped America off to the sudden 'exodus' of Russian technicians from Iran, as well as the Baghdad to Damascus flights of Russian 'passenger airliners' (with all of the seats removed) in the two weeks immediately preceding the US invasion of Iraq - an unexpected two week delay that was surprisingly precipitated by supposed NATO ally Turkey at that (refusal of transit rights for US forces and equipment through Turkish land / airspace). But that has never been publicly corroborated, so certain parties are still free to believe that Iraq never had a nuclear program, thus the US / UK invasion occurred for 'underhanded' reasons.
Actually, the longest period of arab / Israeli peace took place immediately after the conclusion of the 6 day war !!! Think about it.
No. There was a six year long War of Attrition along the Suez Canal plus numerous terrorist attacks and reprisals; the Yom Kippur War in 1973 ; the Lebanese War in 1982; Intifadah I ; Intifadah II ( post Oslo Accords ) etc.etc.
The consensus is , based on interrogations of Saddam,that we destroyed his weapons facilities in the 1991 Gulf War and that prior to 2003 he was bluffing to intimidate Iran. We invaded based on this and other faulty intel. from questionable sources like "Curveball". Even assuming Saddam had WMD's he was NOT a threat to the U.S. To Iran and to Israel but NOT to us.
Israel and Mossad are not above feeding us phony intel to induce us to invade Iraq. Ironically, for the most part, the CIA got it right and was correct in analyzing Saddam as a threat. It was Wolfowitz, Cheney and Rumsfeld who pressured the intelligence analysts to alter their analyses to exaggerate the Iraqi threat and link them to Al Queda.
Dottie Rebel
03-27-2008, 12:51 PM
I just wanted to say thanks for posting this! K and I watched it last night and it was great!
No problem! You can end up down a real rabbit hole on the documentary section of that site!
jester214
03-27-2008, 03:22 PM
I really hate to say we know best how everyone else should run their countries, but I also think there is a LOT to be said for separating church and state.
Yeah. I'm actually really impressed at the amount we are able to seperate it. I mean in reality the only Constitutional decree is no Laws about religion can be made, and the actual idea of "seperation of church and state" was just words Jefferson wrote in a letter.
hockeybobby
03-27-2008, 03:44 PM
But I'm all for a tie dye rug love in party with lots of maple syrup. ;D
Get naked, have a schmoke and a pancake, and lets all sing:
ALL WE ARE SAYING...IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE !!! :D
TheSexKitten
03-27-2008, 04:43 PM
Okay, let's get everyone together and have a big announcement that God says you all need to just get along and quit fighting! If everyone doesn't quit fighting God is going to turn this universe around and go home!;D
Funniest. member's boards. quote. EVAR.