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Sh0t
03-26-2008, 11:56 AM
I was thinking this morning and the idea of religion was in my head, and it lead to me this scenario:

What if you have a married couple, the husband dies, and the wife later remarries. Then that new couple also dies. When all three are in heaven together, what happens? Do the two guys share the wife? Do they have to fight over her?

I don't believe in an afterlife, but for those that do, is this scenario covered by your theology?

The above scenario also reminds me of the very holy situation of MFM threesomes.

I will confess: I have participated in the acts of DP and DVDA, which means 2 penises compete for space in the same vagina/anus. Some might consider that gay, others may say if it's not arousing, it's not. What do YOU think?

Also, I think MFM threesomes are much more exciting than two girls and one guy. I've had a lot of both combination, including living with 2 women for a short period, and to be honest, the FMF thing is very overrated. I don't think it will be what most men expect.

For those of you who have participated in the like, how did you handle the safe sex issue? For the times I've done it with non-"partners", it takes almost a whole box of condoms depending on how cautious you try to be. Some care less than others, and since my cock is covered no matter if I use the same condom on two women, I wasn't terribly worried. In one case, one girl demanded that if my cock touched the other girl, she wanted a new condom used because she didn't trust "that ho", as she put it.

I would appreciate your thoughs on the above questions and maybe post some of your own odd questions to see what the blue side can generate.

kaiarose
03-26-2008, 12:00 PM
I'd hope they'd all get along and have one big fuckfest :) I've personally have always wanted to try the two dicks in one pussy scenario. I've done it with my bf and a dildo but I know that's not the same. It turns me on to think about my bf's dick rubbing against another mans and feeling both of their balls slapping against one another. I actually don't think of anything "gay" unless a man has romantic feelings towards another man. Sex is just sex to me. Man-man, man-woman, woman-woman. Sex, sex, sex!

miabella
03-26-2008, 01:02 PM
i am curious as to why the girl who didn't trust 'that ho' would even be nekkid in the same room with said ho fucking some dude together. i mean, that seems kinda weird.

as for mmf vs mff, threesomes are kinda weak sauce. too distracting. at least in my experience it ended up being a twosome with an observer.

the husbands and a wife deal isn't relevant in Christianity at least. they wouldn't be having sexual relationships as we understand them in heaven (if they had/have them, which is unknown). marriage, in any case, doesn't exist in heaven.

yoda57us
03-26-2008, 01:16 PM
I was thinking this morning and the idea of religion was in my head, and it lead to me this scenario:

What if you have a married couple, the husband dies, and the wife later remarries. Then that new couple also dies. When all three are in heaven together, what happens? Do the two guys share the wife? Do they have to fight over her?

I don't believe in an afterlife, but for those that do, is this scenario covered by your theology?

Not sure how the Catholic church handles this. I stopped going long before the issue ever came up and I'm not what you would call devout so I don't give it much thought.



I will confess: I have participated in the acts of DP and DVDA, which means 2 penises compete for space in the same vagina/anus. Some might consider that gay, others may say if it's not arousing, it's not. What do YOU think?

Not my cup of tea Shot, but whatever floats your boat is fine by me. I don't think of it as gay or not gay, it just has no appeal for me.


Also, I think MFM threesomes are much more exciting than two girls and one guy. I've had a lot of both combination, including living with 2 women for a short period, and to be honest, the FMF thing is very overrated. I don't think it will be what most men expect.

Interestingly I find watching MFM much more entertaining than FMF when it comes to porn. When it comes to my personal preference I have never tried either and probably won't. I could see a FMF possibility with a couple of ladies that I know but it's all P4P with me and setting these things up is a geographic and logistical pain...as well as being expensive.

Sh0t
03-26-2008, 01:26 PM
Mia mia be careful!!!

MMF = two bi guys and a girl

MFM = two straight guys and a girl

Yoda: Yea I find the MFM porn far more entertaining than lesbian porn or FMF stuff.



How come we don't have sex in heaven? :(

Nini Nieb
03-26-2008, 01:36 PM
MFF only make sense if there is some girl-on-girl-action included. Tried that more than a couple of times.

MMF is also fun. The attention of two guys. It tend to be more rough. But in a good way.

miabella
03-26-2008, 02:00 PM
it's unknown whether sex occurs in heaven or not. it's marriage that doesn't exist in heaven. :-P

i have never actually viewed any mmf porn. my first introduction to porn was accidentally catching a playboy movie where it was mff (a blonde and a curly haired brunette were the girls, not sure what the guy looked like). as a military child, all the parents of other military children i knew had playboy for some reason...

Sh0t
03-26-2008, 03:29 PM
That changes everything then.



This is what i hate about the world: The kid is a SNITCH.

How are you going to snitch on a chick hitting you off like that?

That's something the average stripperweb male would do

Casual Observer
03-26-2008, 06:14 PM
I don't see the point in DP or DV or DA or DVDA. It's just logistically impractical and therefore not particularly sexual.

lestat1
03-26-2008, 09:10 PM
It's Heaven. Why can't there be two of her? Or infinite dimensions of Heaven in which all possible positive outcomes play out independently? I mean if you're going to start out with the assumption of an all-powerful being and a blissful afterlife, then everything is pretty much taken care of after that all magic-like.

SundayMorning
03-27-2008, 12:51 PM
It's Heaven. Why can't there be two of her? Or infinite dimensions of Heaven in which all possible positive outcomes play out independently? I mean if you're going to start out with the assumption of an all-powerful being and a blissful afterlife, then everything is pretty much taken care of after that all magic-like.

Good point. Also takes into account all the different stages of your life, people you knew at different ages, etc. If I die at 83, do I want to be 83 for the rest of eternity? Should hope not! I think, IF there is an afterlife, things like time and your sense of individual self (and relationships with others) are more fluid.

DVDA or MFM--nah I don't think it's gay, I think it's just having a certain comfort level. You might be higher on the Kinsey scale, but still not necessarily past the halfway point. Haven't had the opportunity to fulfill that fantasy but oh how I hope to.

threlayer
03-27-2008, 07:16 PM
Who said there is a heaven?

What I've heard from those who speculate is that everything there is innocent and non-physical. After all, the 'people' there were DEAD last time anyone checked. If their real bodies were there, it would have to be pretty disgusting -- sort of like a Zombie flick with lots more talking.

MsQwerty
04-06-2008, 04:57 PM
Theres no sex in heaven, god lives there.

MMF 3 somes definatly piss all over FFM. I dont think its gay generally - but I quite like it when it is (-:

Sh0t
04-08-2008, 11:27 PM
do you find men kissing arousing or just when men are doing harder things?

MsQwerty
04-09-2008, 12:11 AM
^^^Both (-:

Sh0t
04-09-2008, 06:05 AM
I knew that was coming. Your underarms look hot. MOAR PIX!?

Two men kissing really turns me stomach for some reason. I've watched men fuck and suck and I didn't even make me blink. But something about the kissing act does it to me.

@ the afterlife comments

The whole point of the question is the theological implications for those who believe in afterlives. Naturally if you don't believe in one, it doesn't matter to you(as it doesn't to me).


I don't see the point in DP or DV or DA or DVDA. It's just logistically impractical and therefore not particularly sexual.

It's not logistically impractical at all really. And I'm not a smallish guy.

As to the point, it's fun and quite a thrill to see a woman being so thoroughly explored. To me, anyway. Sometimes things are 'the more, the merrier'.



A funny thought to me is that most guys think pussy(and yes I will use crude terms down here) is in some kind of finite supply. Like "if he fucks girl x, I can't, boo hoo hoo." I don't understand that. Logically and sensible we all know her vagina doesn't dissappear but emotional, it seems a lot of guys act this way. Unless the girl is, in his view, "a slut", then he just gets mad he didn't get his turn.

How does that cute phrase go:


A slut fucks everybody. A bitch fucks everybody but you
Giggle!

I generally feel happy when two people I know and like have had sex, assuming nothing evil was related to it, which has happened in my experience, sadly. Part of it I think relates to my undersexed attitude where I don't really value sex much in either direction. As a physical hobby it has some nice challenges, but motorcycle riding and fighting are more cerebral and physically daunting, I feel. Maybe a sport that combines the three in some sort of triathlon?

I take a look at somebody like TOO. The dude has obviously accomplished something in life, I'm guessing self-made as well. Yet, the opinions of his sex prowess by early-adult-life women matters to him. In the pick-up world, I see the opinions of 19 year old "women" who have accomplished nada make CEOs of good operations sweat and get nervous.

Beauty is a birth defect in many ways. In most cases, because few have the willpower to workout consistently and such, a chick's physical beauty is simply an accident of birth. I give props to fat chicks who slim down through diet and exercise, but they are rare in the big scheme of things.

This is also why I don't compliment women based on looks unless there is something else going on. To me it was very similar to meeting my friend's dad that had a gimpy arm as a birth defect. He had a hand that looked a bit like Nightcrawler's. I didn't go around talking to him about it. To me, a woman's natural beauty is the same way.

In some ways, I bet the women feel just as uncomfortable it too, as my friend' dad felt when people said "Wow dude, sorry about your arm." How much different is that from "Wow, you are so beautiful" Both are reactions based on a a physical aberration (extreme beauty, a mis-figured limb). While a girl's looks may open doors at times, it can close a few at the same time. People will pre-judge her and most commonly, it can make men act WEIRD around her. Guys do silly shit when beautiful women are involved. Quite similar to tip-toeing around somebody's third nipple or something.

A good rule of thumb for guys who might want to experience more success with women, especially those of the positive birth defect sort, is to not comment on her appearance until she's naked(and in the bedroom, not a strip club, kupo). Rules are made to know when to break them, but as a rule of thumb, it's a pretty good one.

Another maxim of mine is "Treat Hot Chicks like Fat Chicks." This means is that don't do anything for or to a babe you wouldn't do for her if she was fat and you didn't want to get in her pants. I think it has a nice ring to it.

For the stripper minded, pay special attention to that one because a LOT of strippers are former fatties or were otherwise "unspecial" during their childhood. Especially for SW, very few were always the hot chick in high school or whatever. Consider yourself armed.

TheTempest
04-09-2008, 07:58 AM
If your spouse dies, you're supposed to pine yourself to death, wallowing in solitude aren't you? :P

I don't personally believe in an afterlife, but I would think that heaven would create a way to make everyone in the situation happy. Or maybe one of them would just go to hell and the other two wouldn't have to worry about it.

When it comes to safe sex and multiple partners, I'm all about safe. Safe, safe, safe. You just put your dick in her? Change the condom. You just put your dick in my ass and want to put in my vag? Change the condom. Hell, if I don't trust you I'm breaking out the saran wrap. I am all about having wild hedonistic fun, but I'm not going to take any chances. I don't want to have to pay for my sins.

Chicagoeditor
04-09-2008, 08:14 AM
It's Heaven. Why can't there be two of her? Or infinite dimensions of Heaven in which all possible positive outcomes play out independently? I mean if you're going to start out with the assumption of an all-powerful being and a blissful afterlife, then everything is pretty much taken care of after that all magic-like.

That's the spirit! Years ago, I read a novel--the title escapes me--about an afterlife that was basically nothing but fucking. The spirits were VERY free-wheeling, and sometimes added a lucky living person to their games.

While I don't believe in heaven myself, I suspect the really fun, sexually adventurous folks will be in hell anyhow.

MsQwerty
04-09-2008, 08:32 AM
I scrolled through the thread twice to see whos underarms were showing!
I can live without 2 men kissing, its not high up on my list of hot things but certainly its not a turn off at all!

Is pussy a crude word? /:O Use cunt for all I care :-D

Some interesting and good points there.
I have face blindness / Prosopagnosia so what people look like isnt of much concern to me since I cant tell approximatly 90% of the population appart from one another.
I often think the world would be a better place if everyone had the same problem. I hate how differently people get treated based on appearance - although on the odd occasion when I can see a face properly and its nice I have been guilty of acting irrationally too ::)

Sh0t, were you uncomfortable with all the comments people made about you after you posted that video?

I think any sort of compliment is ok if its genuine and not over the top and some women do want and like to be complimented for their good looks so I dont think think guys should give it up completely as that could go down badly and the man will come across as wierd! Just compliment other things aside from looks - the brain for instance...
Also as far as Im concerned, if men dont chat me up in the manner of which seems "normal", I start to wonder if theyve been reading up on those sarging / pick up sights and will tell them to fuck off very quickly :)


Too many fat chick referancies.

P.S. I believe in reincarnation and spirits / ghosts. Therefore I imagine it all pans out in the end somehow. Im polyamorous anyway so it doesnt make an ounce of difference to me.



I knew that was coming. Your underarms look hot. MOAR PIX!?

Two men kissing really turns me stomach for some reason. I've watched men fuck and suck and I didn't even make me blink. But something about the kissing act does it to me.


In some ways, I bet the women feel just as uncomfortable it too, as my friend' dad felt when people said "Wow dude, sorry about your arm." How much different is that from "Wow, you are so beautiful" Both are reactions based on a a physical aberration (extreme beauty, a mis-figured limb). While a girl's looks may open doors at times, it can close a few at the same time. People will pre-judge her and most commonly, it can make men act WEIRD around her. Guys do silly shit when beautiful women are involved. Quite similar to tip-toeing around somebody's third nipple or something.

A good rule of thumb for guys who might want to experience more success with women, especially those of the positive birth defect sort, is to not comment on her appearance until she's naked(and in the bedroom, not a strip club, kupo). Rules are made to know when to break them, but as a rule of thumb, it's a pretty good one.

Another maxim of mine is "Treat Hot Chicks like Fat Chicks." This means is that don't do anything for or to a babe you wouldn't do for her if she was fat and you didn't want to get in her pants. I think it has a nice ring to it.

For the stripper minded, pay special attention to that one because a LOT of strippers are former fatties or were otherwise "unspecial" during their childhood. Especially for SW, very few were always the hot chick in high school or whatever. Consider yourself armed.

Sh0t
04-09-2008, 11:30 AM
Upset by the comments? Not at all. Why would I be?

Sad but true but "fat chick" is a generic negative image in the minds of guys. Sw is no stranger to such images, you can find many references on pink to sleazy men, stereotypes which some of us here actually fit. Ugly is vague and thus, not very useful.


Face blindness wouldn't be very useful, there is a reason why men find some women more attractive than others. We all want to produce beautiful offspring, so their chances of mating productively are also high. I'm sure all of us here have heard the stories from books like The Selfish Gene, The Red Queen, Sperm Wars, etc.

We all discriminate based on looks, some just have different filters for it. Because I have had a vasectomy, it's safe for me to sleep with heavier girls. One of the biggest fears of my childhood and younger adult life was accidentally impregnating a woman who I would have been terrified to spend my life with. If you knock up a gorgeous woman by accident, a la Unhooked, it's a strain, but one that you don't feel terrible about. But the fear of knocking up a one night stand with a Coyote Ugly is a real gripping fear a lot of men have. Sometimes far more powerful than the fear of STDs(it wsa for me).

An afterlife with nothing but fucking would be boring to me. Valhalla is the most attractive afterlife to a guy with my kind of mentality. I get to fight all day and be restored to health each night for beer and merriment.

I_luv_dancers!
04-11-2008, 08:26 PM
Re: The mfm afterlife issue - there ain't no afterlife. The religious will come up with some ridiculous explanation though. The Vatican just decided what "limbo" is (what happens to a child who dies before being baptised - the child can't go to heaven, but is innocent and cannot go to hell, so they go to "limbo"!!) this was a BIG deal in the church. They considered Galileo a heretic until the 1960's. The 'flat earth' society thrives.

But...where were we?? Sexuality is not strictly gay or straight but rather a point on a continuous line between the two. Whatever floats your boat.

I've had a couple MFM 3-somes. Fun, but not long enough. The women in both cases were a bit nervous. Willing, but nervous. We dudes were too. This was back before AIDS was a real concern, so bareback was the rule of the day. Never did the DP, DA, or DV thing though. Would have, but it just didn't happen. Both of us guys were comfortable with it. We were both horndogs.

Men kissing - get me the fuck out. No thanks, but strangely enough I recently watched some porn from beachhunters (voyeur - public sex) of a MMF 3-some. It was strangely exciting - no - interesting watching one guy pound his chick while giving head to another dude. I guess it was like slowing down to watch a car wreck, couldn't help but watch.

Kinsey said something like "the only abnormal thing about sex is NOT having it".

Oh, and if any of the ladies here would like to experience DP, DV or DA sex, I'm not squeamish about rubbing up against another cock. Let's rock.

MsQ, I've never met an Aussie I didn't like! Cunt it is - but what about "fanny"? I don't see any of the Aussies or Kiwis using "fanny" here on SW. Is that for the benefit of us Americans?

Cheers!

miabella
04-11-2008, 09:53 PM
you're badly misinformed about Church history, but that is nothing new around here, and in fact makes its own sense.

one can only believe in afterlives of some kind or believe that they don't exist. but there is no proof either way, though many love to pretend otherwise.

kinsey was useless as a researcher. can't photograph your biases and call it research. oh wait, white guys can, and sometimes white women. but not anyone else.

men kissing is just different. it's not usually hot, but the possibility is there. it's simply less likely to be hot than women doing so.

that's all for now.

Sh0t
04-11-2008, 10:38 PM
That Galileo myth needs to die a big fiery horrible death

I'm a positive agnostic and even I know that's not what happened with Galileo.

Nobody believed in flat earth nonsense either. That was a later invention in the 1800s.

I_luv_dancers!
04-12-2008, 04:08 AM
you're badly misinformed about Church history, but that is nothing new around here, and in fact makes its own sense.

I only know what I read in books....I also know that often it is the faithful who are badly misinformed on church history.


one can only believe in afterlives of some kind or believe that they don't exist. but there is no proof either way, though many love to pretend otherwise.

Dawkins and Harris would have a field day with that. One has to prove a thing exists, one cannot prove a thing does not exist.


kinsey was useless as a researcher. can't photograph your biases and call it research. oh wait, white guys can, and sometimes white women. but not anyone else.
hmmmm, white guys and white women????? What's that got to do with it?? Kinsey tremendously expanded the knowedge of human sexuality. Worthless? I think not.


men kissing is just different. it's not usually hot, but the possibility is there. it's simply less likely to be hot than women doing so.

that's all for now.

On that we can agree! Men kissing = awkward. Women kissing = yeah baby.

Now I have to go back and re-read the Galileo stuff, give specifics and cite my sources. Thanks ShOt, I was hoping I wouldn't have any homework this weekend.....:-\

xdamage
04-12-2008, 06:41 AM
Dawkins and Harris would have a field day with that. One has to prove a thing exists, one cannot prove a thing does not exist.
:-\

It's ironic how on the one hand people can accept so much on "faith" and call it a virtue to believe based on the poorest of evidence, while often the very same people demand "irrefutable" proof when it comes to ideas that challenge their faith and are very critical of scientific work that is already far more rigorous then what passes for study in a church.

As for sh0t's original question - it is a non-starter for me because I see sex in terms of genetic wiring that increases the odds of passing on one's genes; I see marriage as a human made institution (as well as the Bible and all religion and beliefs about it); I see people's obsession with sex and sexual pleasure as nothing more then human genetic wiring and lack of perspective.

Sh0t
04-12-2008, 09:21 AM
Vaseline in your ass and a gun in your mouth...

I denied another woman the pleasure of finishing me last night. I didn't bother to fake an orgasm. I simply told her she had had enough. She received one clit-digitally, however.

In order to have a balanced relationship, I think you should give a woman at least 1.5x the orgasms you have in her presence. It will make her feel guilty and thus, very willing to please. What say the tubes?

On another tangent, I do not think I can perform this position:


Many stripperwebbers will be familiar with this one from me though:



AND this: Gotta put WallyT on blast for this one:

I don't know about the average PL, but if your acting is over the top expect me to start moaning too. I've got a fave who likes to make porn star noises in LD. I match her groan for groan. Then tell her that her little puckered hole is quivering with pleasure. She collapses in laughter. If play isn't fun, why bother?

Man. Men who moan so much are..."special".

I was taught by my tribal elders never to let a woman know you are enjoying yourself, just make guttural noises.

Mastridonicus
04-12-2008, 02:15 PM
In order to have a balanced relationship, I think you should give a woman at least 1.5x the orgasms you have in her presence. It will make her feel guilty and thus, very willing to please. What say the tubes?


Hmm odd theory. I'd find it more valuable to keep the attraction alive and thusly the attitude towards sex with your partner that is so-often dubbed the "Honeymoon" phase.

Though I believe guilt has some link with the desire to please, even in a healthy manner...I really think anything performed out of that feeling will be sub par. Though it may be just as good.

Maybe I'm over thinking? Describe a scenario where you've seen this work.

Sh0t
04-12-2008, 02:44 PM
Quite a bit of over-thinking, I was mostly being facetious. However, if the above does occur(by accident or on purpose), I've seen women get pretty upset by it.

I see that scenario very often because that's the general condition I'm in with most women, due to my own problems. "I never make you cum", "I will this time!", and similar phrases are the norm. I'm not one to spend guilt-earned currency, but I could if I wanted to.

I'd just say give a shot and see how it works for you.

xdamage
04-12-2008, 03:00 PM
sh0t actually is on to something, I think...

When she cums, but I quit before I do too, she tries much harder to please the next time. Like anything, it is easy to take male orgasms for granted, of no more interest in a relationship then a good belch after a big meal... we men sell ourselves short by making it all no challenge.

Sh0t
04-12-2008, 03:20 PM
Indeed.

Flip the script. We can then talk about "Oh I never have an orgasm, it's ok." Then there will be many women who come along and brag to us about their oral skills and how they can't even get wet unless the guy cums 3 times. Because they are so guy-oriented.

miabella
04-12-2008, 04:08 PM
Dawkins and Harris were thoroughly demolished for their illogical suppositions and assertions in a book called The Irrational Atheist. It's available for free download.

Link for the lazy:
http://irrationalatheist.com/freedl.html

As for Kinsey, he didn't expand any human knowledge since he didn't talk to a representative sample EVER about sex. cataloguing outliers and calling that normalcy is at best misguided and shoddy research. yet that's what we have with kinsey. crap methodology and results.

if it makes you feel better, there are similar problems with most of the popularly known rape statistics. sex and rape research just pretty much suck methodologically which means the data is useless.

Sh0t
04-12-2008, 04:30 PM
You're such a balloon burster, do you kiss your mother with that mouth mia?

I just downloaded this:


I am going to watch it now while waiting for my delivery. Then I shall put out a pink side request of volunteers to see if it offers anything worth keeping

Get money, my children

yoda57us
04-12-2008, 04:33 PM
In order to have a balanced relationship, I think you should give a woman at least 1.5x the orgasms you have in her presence. It will make her feel guilty and thus, very willing to please. What say the tubes?


Although I average about two to one with mrs. yoda and four or five to one with my favorite P4P lady I have trouble using the words "balanced relationship" and "guilty" in the same sentence...

yoda57us
04-12-2008, 04:37 PM
sh0t actually is on to something, I think...

When she cums, but I quit before I do too, she tries much harder to please the next time. Like anything, it is easy to take male orgasms for granted, of no more interest in a relationship then a good belch after a big meal... we men sell ourselves short by making it all no challenge.

LOL, wait until you are a little older, it becomes one hell of a challenge and not something to be taken for granted at all!

hockeybobby
04-12-2008, 04:52 PM
On another tangent, I do not think I can perform this position:
http://www.sexinfo101.com/reverseamazon.shtml


I've never seen that one before. I think I'd like to try it though.
I've saved this site for future reference.

Mast: We are connected in a small and amusing (but don't worry, not a homosexual) way: CP's Spring Awards (http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111780)

I_luv_dancers!
04-12-2008, 07:06 PM
Dawkins and Harris were thoroughly demolished for their illogical suppositions and assertions in a book called The Irrational Atheist. It's available for free download.

Link for the lazy:
http://irrationalatheist.com/freedl.html

As for Kinsey, he didn't expand any human knowledge since he didn't talk to a representative sample EVER about sex. cataloguing outliers and calling that normalcy is at best misguided and shoddy research. yet that's what we have with kinsey. crap methodology and results.

if it makes you feel better, there are similar problems with most of the popularly known rape statistics. sex and rape research just pretty much suck methodologically which means the data is useless.

Ok. I read it. "Thoroughly demolished"?? YGTBSM!! The Vox book dances all over the place but never goes head to head with any of the logical, historical or scientific assertions of Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins. All his ravings prove to me is that the other guys are right. What a pile of doubletalk crap. The only thing that Vox demolishes is his own viewpoint - no, check that, he never really makes a point. He needs to go back to designing video games. I'd love to see him go head-to-head with those guys in a public forum.

And Kinsey "didn't talk to a representative sample EVER about sex."??? Are you trolling me Miabella?? :D Just what kind of sample were those thousands and thousands of people the Kinsey researchers talked to?

Ok, I'm done with this, we're not going to change each other's minds about anything. Let's get back to the sex talk. Peace. :-*

Heck, Carville and Matalin get along in a marriage, so I hope we can peacefully coexist!

xdamage
04-12-2008, 07:25 PM
I saw an advertisement for the movie "Expelled" today. Ben sits in the back of the class, heckling the professor who is teaching something about... life evolving... with "Ah question! So how did Life begin?"

This will undoubtedly appeal to the masses as seemingly brilliant. Yet it is an example of exactly what I find most disturbing about our education system. We don't teach kids how to think like scientists. We teach them how to memorize definitions, and compress complex ideas into vast simplifications, so easy a child can understand.

The answer of course is that "Life" is just a word we humans made up. It's not an absolute black or white thing that exists or doesn't exist. In fact it remains hotly debated what level of complexity is Life vs something a bit simpler then Life. But before whatever level of complexity we define as "Life", there are simpler levels of complexity that have evolved, going back down to complex molecules, simple molecules, atoms, atomic components, sub-atomic, and perhaps simpler still. But we don't teach our kids to think like that. We teach our kids to memorize the definition of "Life" and we don't teach them to remember that we humans make these definitions of, they are crude written and verbal symbols for what is in fact a complex world. Then again we don't teach them that we humans wrote the Bible or the various little stories contained within either.. that one is attributed to God since if we acknowledged it as work of human imagination, it would be very easy to write a lot of it off as inconsistent.

By the way... I have heard an answer to sh0t's original question, which basically comes down to, this is why people are not suppose to re-marry or have sex before marriage. Strangely that is logically consistent. It doesn't make me a believer, but if everyone followed those rules then the issue of who is married to who or having sex with, in heaven, would be m00t.

Sh0t
04-12-2008, 10:47 PM
I sometimes think I like licking a girl's ass more than her pussy

hockeybobby
04-12-2008, 10:51 PM
Doing a bodyshot off a girls ass is fun. Positioning is tricky though.
I prefer Baileys, or Grand Marnier.

miabella
04-12-2008, 10:53 PM
Ok. I read it. "Thoroughly demolished"?? YGTBSM!! The Vox book dances all over the place but never goes head to head with any of the logical, historical or scientific assertions of Harris, Hitchens and Dawkins. All his ravings prove to me is that the other guys are right. What a pile of doubletalk crap. The only thing that Vox demolishes is his own viewpoint - no, check that, he never really makes a point. He needs to go back to designing video games. I'd love to see him go head-to-head with those guys in a public forum.

And Kinsey "didn't talk to a representative sample EVER about sex."??? Are you trolling me Miabella?? :D Just what kind of sample were those thousands and thousands of people the Kinsey researchers talked to?

Ok, I'm done with this, we're not going to change each other's minds about anything. Let's get back to the sex talk. Peace. :-*

Heck, Carville and Matalin get along in a marriage, so I hope we can peacefully coexist!

wow, you haven't looked at Kinsey's actual data, and you haven't actually read Vox's book. Sam Harris emailed him personally to tell him that he had correctly nailed Sam on several major errors. Just an FYI.

It's a fun little book, since I do agree with V. Day that atheism is just a pit stop on the way to paganism. Look at SW. Girls are mainly wicca types or some other cafeteria-style religion, which guys who speak about it are mainly fairly hardline atheist types. it's quite telling. you should go pagan. there's celibate and sex-focused pagan traditions, whichever is your preferred fancy. if dancers you 'luv' are smart enough to stay away from hardline atheism, you could take that page from them and find a point of commonality.

it is well known that kinsey's data was immensely flawed. that's not an opinion, that is fact, easily demonstrable. don't presume kinsey was a god, incapable of error. it makes your atheism look even sillier...

xdamage
04-13-2008, 12:46 AM
I'm able to read many books written by humans, most of which have some errors, and still accept the general direction of the book, despite some imperfections. This is because humans are imperfect. I try not to throw out the baby with the bath water, so errors do not mean the whole thing is wrong. That would be all or nothing think and is the worst kind of childish intellect.

On the flip side, when I was a Christian I was taught the Bible is the infallible word of God. Again, more all or nothing think. I guess that appeals to humans, keep it simple, because what a mess it would be if the Bible was just a good old human work, full of flaws? But okay, the premise is God inspired it, so it is beyond human ordinary. Starting with that premise then, the book gets treated with a different degree of skepticism.

What really made it clear though to me that nobody really believes that? Christians themselves. I have only met Cafeteria Christians who pick and choose their beliefs as if there were at a salad bar. And with that... I could no longer ignore my intellect.

I really am curious if Atheism is a pit stop on the road to paganism. Christians teach that out of fear of an unknown future, but is there any real studies to back that belief up? The Atheists I admire do not promote paganism or for that matter any Cafeteria religion. They just promote good old fashion study, treating other humans well, same values sans the belief that a higher level being is guiding our choices. And who knows... maybe without all those beliefs, modern wonders like treating patients with mental illness with compassion (vs as demons) and less wars over religion might be in our future.

MsQwerty
04-13-2008, 03:35 AM
MsQ, I've never met an Aussie I didn't like! Cunt it is - but what about "fanny"? I don't see any of the Aussies or Kiwis using "fanny" here on SW. Is that for the benefit of us Americans?

Cheers!

Ahahaha, I havent heard the term "fanny" used for so long - like since I emigrated in 1986 ;D


sh0t actually is on to something, I think...

When she cums, but I quit before I do too, she tries much harder to please the next time. Like anything, it is easy to take male orgasms for granted, of no more interest in a relationship then a good belch after a big meal... we men sell ourselves short by making it all no challenge.

I dont get this, why it bothers women. I guess maybe if it happened everytime, but if its just sometimes and the sex is otherwise great then I dont see the problem.
I dated a guy once who had trained himself not to cum. That was pretty crazy and in all honestly a bit extreme cos the sex went forever and although it was great sex I think Id still prefer to have more shorter sessions of great sex than just one very fucking long one.

I think sometimes people try to hard to be what they think is a great lover before theyve even got to know themselves properly or had much in the way of experience. In reality every partner is different and what works on one may fail on the next.

I_luv_dancers!
04-13-2008, 06:01 AM
I'm able to read many books written by humans, most of which have some errors, and still accept the general direction of the book, despite some imperfections. This is because humans are imperfect. I try not to throw out the baby with the bath water, so errors do not mean the whole thing is wrong. That would be all or nothing think and is the worst kind of childish intellect.

On the flip side, when I was a Christian I was taught the Bible is the infallible word of God. Again, more all or nothing think. I guess that appeals to humans, keep it simple, because what a mess it would be if the Bible was just a good old human work, full of flaws? But okay, the premise is God inspired it, so it is beyond human ordinary. Starting with that premise then, the book gets treated with a different degree of skepticism.

What really made it clear though to me that nobody really believes that? Christians themselves. I have only met Cafeteria Christians who pick and choose their beliefs as if there were at a salad bar. And with that... I could no longer ignore my intellect.

I really am curious if Atheism is a pit stop on the road to paganism. Christians teach that out of fear of an unknown future, but is there any real studies to back that belief up? The Atheists I admire do not promote paganism or for that matter any Cafeteria religion. They just promote good old fashion study, treating other humans well, same values sans the belief that a higher level being is guiding our choices. And who knows... maybe without all those beliefs, modern wonders like treating patients with mental illness with compassion (vs as demons) and less wars over religion might be in our future.
Well done X. You and I are of like minds.

Mia, sad to see that you dove into the old Christian dogma declaring aethism as "a pit stop on the way to paganism". Aethist thinking rejects paganism just as strongly as the world's major religions. Aethism is not an organized cult, it's an individual belief that there are no Gods, afterlife, devils, demons, angels, resurrection, spirits......to simplify, I don't believe in magic.

As for Kinsey - flawed yes, worthless no.

Ok, time to spit the hook out of my mouth.....

I_luv_dancers!
04-13-2008, 06:04 AM
Ahahaha, I havent heard the term "fanny" used for so long - like since I emigrated in 1986 ;D

Shows ya how much I know about Aussie culture! :-[

yoda57us
04-13-2008, 06:12 AM
I sometimes think I like licking a girl's ass more than her pussy

For me it's not "more than her pussy" but it's definitely something I enjoy as part of the fun.

xdamage
04-13-2008, 07:35 AM
I dont get this, why it bothers women. I guess maybe if it happened everytime, but if its just sometimes and the sex is otherwise great then I dont see the problem.
I dated a guy once who had trained himself not to cum. That was pretty crazy and in all honestly a bit extreme cos the sex went forever and although it was great sex I think Id still prefer to have more shorter sessions of great sex than just one very fucking long one.

I think sometimes people try to hard to be what they think is a great lover before theyve even got to know themselves properly or had much in the way of experience. In reality every partner is different and what works on one may fail on the next.

I can't cum sometimes. The sex feels good but I can't get cum.

Variety is good sometimes, sometimes longer, sometimes a quicky, sometimes animal, sometimes romantic. I think most people like surprises and the unexpected sometimes.

If a guy thinks just going as long as possible is the epitome of good sex he really doesn't get that too can grow mundane. Same with cumming reliably... if a guy occasionally doesn't it, adds some element of the unknown to the mix. I like to be kept guessing myself.

yoda57us
04-13-2008, 08:08 AM
I can't cum sometimes. The sex feels good but I can't get cum.

Variety is good sometimes, sometimes longer, sometimes a quicky, sometimes animal, sometimes romantic. I think most people like surprises and the unexpected sometimes.

If a guy thinks just going as long as possible is the epitome of good sex he really doesn't get that too can grow mundane. Same with cumming reliably... if a guy occasionally doesn't it, adds some element of the unknown to the mix. I like to be kept guessing myself.

I think that anything, especially sex, can start to become boring and mundane once the element of surprise is eliminated. I know what I enjoy in the sack and I know what my partners enjoy. Though it certainly isn't the same for everyone part of what leads a lot of men (maybe women?) to cheating is looking for variety that they don't feel they can get from their spouse.

Sh0t
04-13-2008, 08:20 AM
That's why I date women with a catalog of mental disorders. You never know what you are going to get.

I think a lot of my failure to cum comes from pornography. I can masturbate 5 times a day and still cum easily from sex. But if I watch any porn that day, it is big trouble.

Something about seeing the porno money shot that re-programs me for a few days.

yoda57us
04-13-2008, 09:39 AM
That's why I date women with a catalog of mental disorders. You never know what you are going to get.

LOL, Whatever works for you ShOt, I'm not looking for quite that much adventure...



I think a lot of my failure to cum comes from pornography. I can masturbate 5 times a day and still cum easily from sex. But if I watch any porn that day, it is big trouble.

Something about seeing the porno money shot that re-programs me for a few days.

I don't usually last until the money shot if I am masturbate to porn. At my age it's still easy to cum during masturbation but I have to pace myself when I plan on having sex with a woman. I generally abstain for a couple of days though even 24 hours is a big help. I wish I could nut now the way I could twenty years ago...there are great things about being older and wiser but there are also a few things that suck...

hockeybobby
04-13-2008, 09:45 AM
I wish I could nut now the way I could twenty years ago...there are great things about being older and wiser but there are also a few things that suck...

After you've cum 10,000 times...other things become more important. Like foreplay for instance.