View Full Version : "Extras girls" have STD's???
cameron_keys
03-30-2008, 06:37 PM
Well... part of what I contend is that you don't require anything distinquishing "legal" from "illegal".
But reasonable point - government regulation is ubiquitous. In fact, if we judge all law as "regulating" then people's sexuality is already regulated - we discussed earlier how criminal law deals with individuals who knowingly expose others to the risk of disease. I have no problem with the government regulating prostitution in the way of, for example, collecting taxes. What I have a problem with - if this was unclear - is the invasion of privacy based on stereotype and stigma rather than a demonstrated problem. If prostitutes are not spreading STIs, I see no reason for invasive legislation to prevent them from spreading STIs. If prostitutes are spreading STIs, then the invasion is certainly easier to justify.
Well there are several studies that show that STD rates are higher for prostitutes...esp those that are illegal and not regulated.
And l like I said before..it just stands to reason that if you are having sex,esp unprotected,with multiple unknown partners on a regular basis....you are at a higher risk of catching and passing on an STD.
I dont see it as based on a stigma...rather based on simple common sense(not to mention multiple studies).
I have no problem getting STD tested for my job..its a risk I chose to assume when I started doing the job and it offers a good amount of protection to me and my costars from catching anything.
Jenny
03-30-2008, 06:54 PM
Well there are several studies that show that STD rates are higher for prostitutes...esp those that are illegal and not regulated.
Studies aimed at regulating prostitution find that; studies aimed at tracing the origins of STIs find something different; that where prostitutes intersect with intravenous drug users the occurence of STIs matches intravenous drug users, but prostitutes qua prostitutes - that is, who are not part of another significant risk group are more or less at the normal population's occurrence. (One study I found - that was cited in a disconcertingly wide number of journals - selected prostitutes from a walk in sexual health clinic and found, not surprisingly, that nearly 100% had an STI.) So what do you think it means that they are comparing street workers, with all that implies, with brothel workers? I mean, if you are dealing in a system that is codifying class differences in prostitutes, you are going to find that the class differences conform to that codification.
You also have to keep in mind that it depends on what you qualify as an STI - as has been mentioned - every woman has HPV - the risk factor for that is being a sexually active female, so of course most prostitutes have it too. And I would suggest that there is a wide distance between "illegal" and "not regulated". I realize this is hard for americans to deal with - "legal" does not mean "medically regulated".
And l like I said before..it just stands to reason that if you are having sex,esp unprotected,with multiple unknown partners on a regular basis....you are at a higher risk of catching and passing on an STD.
I dont see it as based on a stigma...rather based on simple common sense(not to mention multiple studies).
I have no problem getting STD tested for my job..its a risk I chose to assume when I started doing the job and it offers a good amount of protection to me and my costars from catching anything.
Well, if it's about promiscuity rather than the stigma of being a prostitute, why not regulate the promiscuous? Why not regulate the customers of prostitutes - since the spread of disease is exponentially more likely to go from customer to prostitute than vice versa? Why target prostitutes if what we are, in fact, concerned with is promiscuity as a risk factor rather than prostitution as a risk factor?
STD testing in the porn industry is self-regulating. Not state regulating. Just pointing it out. I have no problem with prostitutes wanting to get tested; I'm against instituting a licensing process that makes their medical records state business. And - speaking of the porn industry - what do you think happened after the debacle in California in 2004 and the state wanted to subject porn studios to the Blood Pathogen Standards of Occupational Health and Safety? Do you think they said "Oh, okay, it is a reasonable government regulation?" Or do you think they challenged it legally and refused to comply?
cameron_keys
03-30-2008, 07:07 PM
True..porn IS self regulated..but for a good reason. If we could convince legal prostitutes to self regulate the same way I'd be all for it.
And as much as I would love to see customers tested as well,since I agree with you on the fact that they can most definatly be carriers as well... I highly doubt the industry would stand for it since it would SEVERELY cut down on business by requiring a 3 day or so waiting period for test results to come back. At least by testing the prostitutes(male and female..though obviously female prostitutes are more common) at least you can catch an infection early and treat it or,in the case of something like HIV,take her off the job so it doesnt spread any further.
And much as it would be nice if promiscuous people got tested and were responsible about their health..it isnt likely to happen on a standard basis. And,unlike businesses..which the government regulates in many other ways,I dont agree with interfering with peoples personal lives. The only exception being prosecution for people who do things like knowingly pass on HIV without informing their partner.
ruru123
03-30-2008, 10:48 PM
im sorry but i have to just say this. i HATE it when people say "young teenagers are more likely to spread STD's then prostitutes" . it's COMMON SENSE that hookers and johns are WAY more supseptible to STD"s then anyone else. PERIOD.
CorinneKell
03-30-2008, 10:56 PM
Jenny for Dr.s and nurses is not just airborne pathogens. It's bloodborn as well, and ESPECIALLY stringent if they are splatered with something. But all in all you have to get tested every 30 days. At least in WA and OR. I am not sure if that's regional or national.
Amber_Sparxx
03-31-2008, 12:18 AM
Well, if it's about promiscuity rather than the stigma of being a prostitute, why not regulate the promiscuous? Why not regulate the customers of prostitutes - since the spread of disease is exponentially more likely to go from customer to prostitute than vice versa? Why target prostitutes if what we are, in fact, concerned with is promiscuity as a risk factor rather than prostitution as a risk factor?
Because promiscuity is a behavior pattern, not a business, as is prostitution.
About johns, when they're busted, they get off painfully easily compared to street prostitutes. I agree that they should be regulated as well, maybe at least being subjected to mandatory testing for STIs before being released from jail.
Finally, why target prostitutes? Because sex is their business, and it's smart, that's why. Is it foolproof...no. Is it smart, yes. If that industry is ever to gain a lessened degree of stigma, it makes sense to be as socially responsible as it can possibly be.
Yes promiscuity and drug users share a large degree of the blame, but the idea that unregulated prostitutes don't make up a large percentage of the STI population is just laughable.
Amber_Sparxx
03-31-2008, 12:21 AM
OOPS.....double post due to computer malfunctions.......and slight inebriation....sorry!
cameron_keys
03-31-2008, 09:05 AM
Jenny for Dr.s and nurses is not just airborne pathogens. It's bloodborn as well, and ESPECIALLY stringent if they are splatered with something. But all in all you have to get tested every 30 days. At least in WA and OR. I am not sure if that's regional or national.
I believe it is national. I have a friend thats a surgical resident and she has to be tested every 30 days as well
Alia_of_the_Knife
03-31-2008, 09:13 AM
I believe it is national. I have a friend thats a surgical resident and she has to be tested every 30 days as well
It is national. And it's not just doctors, it anyone who works or volunteers at a hospital. (EMTs, nurses, etc). I had to be tested for TB just to do my community service at a nursing home for extra credit in high school.
Jenny
03-31-2008, 09:19 AM
It is national. And it's not just doctors, it anyone who works or volunteers at a hospital. (EMTs, nurses, etc). I had to be tested for TB just to do my community service at a nursing home for extra credit in high school.Well, TB is airborne, isn't it? Did you have to do an STD panel?
xoxoGracexoxo
03-31-2008, 06:15 PM
I guess I just don't see a stigma attached to prostitutes being tested for STD's before they are issued a license. Sex is their business. Restaurant kitchens are subject to inspection to ensure that the food they serve their customers won't make them sick. It's simple consumer protection. Isn't the principle the same?
In any job that doesn't involve sex, STD testing as a qualification would be, uh, inappropriate. As in your example above. But it seems to me that if you want to work as a prostitute, you should be prepared to suffer that particular invasion of privacy.
Morgan_TX
04-01-2008, 10:42 AM
I got the strangest MySpace message on my stripper page about this thread... Some guy named Roy messaged me with a link to this thread and said something about how "this is why he reads StripperWeb" and "Strip clubs are filthy, disgusting places, and I won't stop until I shut them all down."
WTF?
cameron_keys
04-01-2008, 10:46 AM
I got the strangest MySpace message on my stripper page about this thread... Some guy named Roy messaged me with a link to this thread and said something about how "this is why he reads StripperWeb" and "Strip clubs are filthy, disgusting places, and I won't stop until I shut them all down."
WTF?
Yeah..that would be he-who-shall-not-be-named. He does that all the time.Ignore him
Vyanka
04-01-2008, 10:57 AM
I have worked with a LOT of extras girls(hardcore extras..everything up to and including anal in the club). A lot of them admittedly had STD's. One got sick and finally after people kept telling her to she went to the Dr. He told her she had gonorrhea and syphilis and had likely had it for years.
I also used to work with a girl who thought it was SOOOO funny..she'd fuck guys in the champagne room and not make them wear a condom. What she didnt tell them was that she was HIV+. Real fucking funny huh?
Wow!! :O :O :O
BlueJeanBaby
04-01-2008, 11:46 AM
Well... part of what I contend is that you don't require anything distinquishing "legal" from "illegal".
But reasonable point - government regulation is ubiquitous. In fact, if we judge all law as "regulating" then people's sexuality is already regulated - we discussed earlier how criminal law deals with individuals who knowingly expose others to the risk of disease. I have no problem with the government regulating prostitution in the way of, for example, collecting taxes. What I have a problem with - if this was unclear - is the invasion of privacy based on stereotype and stigma rather than a demonstrated problem. If prostitutes are not spreading STIs, I see no reason for invasive legislation to prevent them from spreading STIs. If prostitutes are spreading STIs, then the invasion is certainly easier to justify.
Sexuality on the whole should not be regulated until you make a business out of it. This means sexual favors in exchange for money. When you make a business out of your sexuality such as prostitution where health risks become a concern, this needs to be regulated. When you make the choice to run a business that could be a potential health risk to the public, you give away (as others have pointed out) your "right to privacy" regarding testing because you work with the public. It is no longer about you, when you are in a unique position to spread infectious disease. Just like doctors offices, which are a business, must comply to health regulations, prostitution needs to be regulated for health reasons as well. When it becomes a business it does not matter that it is "sexuality" and therefore private/personal. A prostitute has knowingly decided to make it public.
I can see where one might try to argue that "how is this any different from a girl who sleeps around a lot?" It is different because a) most people will never have as many sexual partners as those in the industry, and b) those people are not providing a service for monetary exchange. As much as men who buy prostitutes are just as responsible for their own health, you have to take into account the fact that the goal here is to cut down on the spread of infectious diseases. Having sex is taking a risk, I don't care if you're a teenager or a hooker. If you run a business that involves the health of the public, you need to be regulated. End of story.
PhillyDancer1982
04-04-2008, 01:36 PM
I wrote about this on another thread. One of the alleged "extras girls" at my club supposedly has herpes and gave it to at least one of the customers(he supposedly came back and complained to management, threatening to press charges against the club). I really wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those girls DO have something. Ick.
PhillyDancer1982
04-04-2008, 01:40 PM
I also used to work with a girl who thought it was SOOOO funny..she'd fuck guys in the champagne room and not make them wear a condom. What she didnt tell them was that she was HIV+. Real fucking funny huh?
FUCKING HELL! :O Is she aware that it is an automatic FELONY in Florida to have ANY kind of sexual intercourse without disclosing her HIV+ status...that includes both protected and unprotected?? And does she go around bragging about this? Seriously, she is a danger to society. Maybe it is also the customers' stupidity for breaking the law by participating in champagne room extras and for not using condoms with skanky extras girls, but still...what she is doing is so wrong on so many levels.
If there's any bright side, I heard that men only have a 1% chance of contracting HIV from an infected female. Now if they have cuts on their dicks or a compromised immune system(other STDs, the flu, mono, etc), their risk will be increased. But still...that girl should seriously be locked up. :(
cameron_keys
04-04-2008, 02:03 PM
FUCKING HELL! :O Is she aware that it is an automatic FELONY in Florida to have ANY kind of sexual intercourse without disclosing her HIV+ status...that includes both protected and unprotected?? And does she go around bragging about this? Seriously, she is a danger to society. Maybe it is also the customers' stupidity for breaking the law by participating in champagne room extras and for not using condoms with skanky extras girls, but still...what she is doing is so wrong on so many levels.
Yeah I told her that and she shrugged it off. I never saw her again after that display of disgust in the DR..and if I had known her real name,address or any other info I would have turned her in to the cops myself.
Amber_Sparxx
04-08-2008, 01:21 AM
Cameron, you are a fucking legend and I will miss you.