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All Good Things
03-31-2008, 08:16 PM
dont get to excited. i think these things are going to be eliminated. dont shoot me i'm only the messenger. it's been discussed that there are to many hard feelings associated with it.

Yes, I've been aware of this discussion.

My personal opinion is that the focus on "hard feelings" as the predominant reason for making a decision like this is hugely overstated and frankly totally misplaced. It's like telling children who brings pudding packs of various flavors to lunch in the cafeteria to swap among those children who want to do so that they can no longer do this because those who have voluntarily chosen not to participate in the pudding exchanges have "hard feelings" associated with them.

WTF?

The exchanges are voluntary. Nobody is forced to participate. Nobody is forced to read the threads. Nothing in the thread titles would cause "hard feelings," so people who don't want to participate can simply skip reading them. Those who choose not to participate can hardly claim to experience hard feelings when they do not receive anything. The suggested spend amounts are very low. Like pudding pack low. My latest gift, for example, was handmade and I assure you it means the world to me but is unlikely to drive anybody into spasms of jealousy (well, maybe not. :) )

This kind of position also ignores the huge well of goodwill created by the exchanges, which enhances the experience on the site, to say nothing of the strengthened friendships, greater involvement with other members -- as each member researches what the other member likes -- and the sheer joy of exchanging gifts and bringing happiness to somebody's life.

I've not yet discussed this with certain people, but I will certainly bring it up now if the discussion's gotten this far along. It's certainly not my decision, but I will share my opinion on it, FWIW.

If somebody would like to put up a blind poll (with blind voting) it may help to gauge the level of discontent, if such discontent is widespread.

Lola Rose
03-31-2008, 08:16 PM
I honestly dont understand what the problem is. Why would this be stopped? Because people are having fun and making each other happy and a few cant deal with that? I cant believe SW would stoop to the level of stopping something that brings people here closer and makes them happy. It isnt like anyone is being excluded...EVERYONE is welcome to join.The only exception is new people because nobody wants someone disappointed because they ended up getting a troll who flakes and they dont get anything in return..thats more then fair.

People complain when people here are bitchy and mean..then complain when people are happy. You just cant please some people.

Honestly..if these exchanges are stopped I fear the sour taste it will leave in many members mouths will be the last straw for a lot and it will be the beginning of the end for SW.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.

Lola Rose
03-31-2008, 08:18 PM
Yes, I've been aware of this discussion.

My personal opinion is that the focus on "hard feelings" as the predominant reason for making a decision like this is hugely overstated and frankly totally misplaced. It's like telling children who brings pudding packs of various flavors to lunch in the cafeteria to swap among those children who want to do so that they can no longer do this because those who have voluntarily chosen not to participate in the pudding exchanges have "hard feelings" associated with them.

WTF?

The exchanges are voluntary. Nobody is forced to participate. Nobody is forced to read the threads. Nothing in the thread titles would cause "hard feelings," so people who don't want to participate can simply skip reading them. Those who choose not to participate can hardly claim to experience hard feelings when they do not receive anything. The suggested spend amounts are very low. Like pudding pack low. My latest gift, for example, was handmade and I assure you it means the world to me but is unlikely to drive anybody into spasms of jealousy (well, maybe not. :) )

This kind of position also ignores the huge well of goodwill created by the exchanges, which enhances the experience on the site, to say nothing of the strengthened friendships, greater involvement with other members -- as each member researches what the other member likes -- and the sheer joy of exchanging gifts and bringing happiness to somebody's life.

I've not yet discussed this with certain people, but I will certainly bring it up now if the discussion's gotten this far along. It's certainly not my decision, but I will share my opinion on it, FWIW.

If somebody would like to put up a blind poll (with blind voting) it may help to gauge the level of discontent, if such discontent is widespread.

I was considering it. I'll do it now.

cameron_keys
03-31-2008, 08:19 PM
Well said TOO..and though I will likely be pointed for it, I will be happy to put up the poll you suggested.

cameron_keys
03-31-2008, 08:27 PM
OK..poll is up. I'm not causing drama by doing this..I just honestly think it would be helpful to get a view on this from the site members at large....so a vocal minority doesnt ruin things for everyone.
If the majority of people want it stopped..I wont argue it.

Lola Rose
03-31-2008, 08:33 PM
Well said TOO..and though I will likely be pointed for it, I will be happy to put up the poll you suggested.

if you serously get pointed, I'd be so sad. that'd really show where this place is heading.

Darcy Foxx
03-31-2008, 08:39 PM
guys, seriously. chill out.

this is just something that has been discussed when it comes to rules.

there is no need to preach about 'the end' like it's some kind of giant apocalypse or something.

it was something that we were very briefly told about, yet have been given little information about otherwise, and velvet was simply reporting the situation.

at the end of the day, it's pryce's decision. no poll is going to change that, either way.

All Good Things
03-31-2008, 08:42 PM
^ I think a poll will provide information on how widespread the discontent is. It would surprise the hell out of me if it is widespread, but that would certainly be valuable to know.

Knowing Pryce, I think he'd value this kind of information, as well as well-considered opinion, before making a decision.

Lola Rose
03-31-2008, 08:44 PM
guys, seriously. chill out.

this is just something that has been discussed when it comes to rules.

there is no need to preach about 'the end' like it's some kind of giant apocalypse or something.

it was something that we were very briefly told about, yet have been given little information about otherwise, and velvet was simply reporting the situation.

at the end of the day, it's pryce's decision. no poll is going to change that, either way.

cam and i were both just telling people what we thought.

and if the mods really know so little about it, then why did velvet come 'report" on it without any definate answers.

Darcy Foxx
03-31-2008, 08:45 PM
cam and i were both just telling people what we thought.

and if the mods really know so little about it, then why did velvet come 'report" on it without any definate answers.

because she was just trying to give you a small piece of information that we ourselves have been given.

cameron_keys
03-31-2008, 08:45 PM
^ I think a poll will provide information on how widespread the discontent is. It would surprise the hell out of me if it is widespread, but that would certainly be valuable to know.

Knowing Pryce, I think he'd value this kind of information, as well as well-considered opinion, before making a decision.

That was my point in making it. If he thinks for some reason that it is the majorities wish that they be stopped and the poll shows otherwise,it will hopefully give him a more clear idea of the wants and needs of the members here.

Lola Rose
03-31-2008, 08:48 PM
because she was just trying to give you a small piece of information that we ourselves have been given.

I guess to me it seems like 2 things- sort of like the telephone game, where infor gets past along and distorted, and also like if pryce told you all on your mod board, but didn't tell it here, then he probably wasn't ready to share.

stellaforstars
03-31-2008, 09:06 PM
^^Go post those pesos in the poll thread too!!!

fancygirl
03-31-2008, 09:38 PM
I agree that I think these exchanges causes a huge amount of goodwill.

Now-- I would like to think that I always care to some degree what is going on in most of your lives, but having Rooster, Lady Jade, Lysondra, Cameron, and LA429 as my eggs really got me to reach out to them, pay attention to their posts, try to cheer them up when they were feeling down, and try to please them with stuff that cost very little (even though cumulatively it went over the spending limit-- which I also blame on mail. gimme a break, LJ's was eleven pounds, and Lys's cost $60 to go to Australia even though it wasn't that heavy.) but little stuff like wrapping paper, glitter, and asking detailed questions to get them (as far as I could) the perfect gift within my grasp.

I got to know five people relatively well, and I'd like to think that the five people who have/had me also got to know me very well, or just on a more personal level.

And this is why I think these exchanges are a positive thing.

If the exchanges are too VISIBLE, then please, by all means, move them to the member boards like all other threads that have been deemed too volatile by posters or outside sources (and this one is definitely outside sources. I can't imagine anyone feeling even slightly negative aside from a few people who are antsy about getting their presents or about eggs who have not yet picked up their presents.)

I have yet to go over to the invisible poll section, so I might have more to say.
I would hate for a few to ruin it for many-- especially when the few are likely not part of the exchange at all.