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PleasureVictim
04-03-2008, 02:42 PM
This wouldn't work in Houston. You'd have to drag out over half the club. And then their pimps would be mad.


Lol. Not just Houston either, many other cities.

When some people are embarrassed in such a obvious way, you better believe pride will cause them to do very drastic things. Not all will run away with their tail between their legs. They could come back with friends, knives, guns, etc.

mollyzmoon
04-03-2008, 02:53 PM
Dancers who are violent in anyway at my club are fired instantly. I think that's how it should be. How does that look to customers, anyway? A girl, screaming, dragged along by her hair. WTF? That's terrible.

There was a girl at our club for a while who had just taken up dancing. Previously she was whoring. She was really, really amazing looking. Very pretty, unbelievable body. Well-spoken. And allegedly an extras girl. The other girls in the club absolutely detested the woman, and would chew her out everytime she came in the dressing room. They would talk in little circles, thinking about ways to 'get her'. The whole thing made me crazy uncomfortable. I don't believe a girl is doing extra stuff unless I see her with my own eyes, for one, and the idea of Lord of the Flies kind of justice is scary to me. I was more disturbed by the chats about beating this girl than I was by her apparent extras.

The management wouldn't let anyone go up and confront her, verbally even. And she did leave after a few weeks. Isn't it better to let them get caught by a manager, eventually, than physically assault someone? Ghandi freed India without lifting a finger of violence. It's just not a great way to solve conflict. It's nuts, I think. Ostracizing someone, evidently, is enough to get the job done.

kitana
04-03-2008, 03:00 PM
My mixed feelings come down to this....

Police can get called if you choose to go this route and assault charges can be filed.

However, if police come in a pop an extras girl, the whole damned club can be shut down and then everyone is out of a job.

Just MY opinion, I would rather have an assault charge on my record than a prostitution charge and NO JOB if the club gets shut down.

Dottie Rebel
04-03-2008, 03:08 PM
I think the embarassment/humilation factor alone is what got this girl to leave the club and that could have easily been achieved in a non-violent way.

I can't see myself dragging a girl by the hair but I can see myself standing directly over her and her customer yelling, "OMG, Sassafrass is sucking this guy's dick! Bouncer 1, Bouncer 2, Diamond, Alize--Come check this out!" Once I'd assembled a crowd we'd stand around her and pontificate upon her whoredom until she ran out. We'd then do the same in the dressing room.

I'd really enjoy that scene.

zxcire
04-03-2008, 03:10 PM
I think the embarassment/humilation factor alone is what got this girl to leave the club and that could have easily been achieved in a non-violent way.

I can't see myself dragging a girl by the hair but I can see myself standing directly over her and her customer yelling, "OMG, Sassafrass is sucking this guy's dick! Bouncer 1, Bouncer 2, Diamond, Alize--Come check this out!" Once I'd assembled a crowd we'd stand around her and pontificate upon her whoredom until she ran out. We'd then do the same in the dressing room.

I'd really enjoy that scene.

I need to start doing this. Actually no I don't. If you call out an extras girl in an "unprofessional" way at my club, you get suspended. The extras girl stays. No joke! I used to think my club was clean and awesome...but I think I was just blind. I wish I was blind, again.

LoveComesFromWithin
04-03-2008, 04:59 PM
before u embarass her, i think you should privately confront her and ask her why she does and that none of you like girls that do it...

i knew of a girl who didnt know how to refuse custumers wishes, or how to still give a good dance without extras. she had only been dancing for a year, and was so green. but after another girl explained to her, she completely stopped.

^true story

RoseLeigh
04-03-2008, 05:07 PM
It most certainly makes me money. Unless you work in a club where extras are the norm, most of "those guys" aren't going to broach the subject of obtaining extras until they've spent some money. Almost every OTC request that I've ever gotten has been preceeded by hundreds of dollars spent. A simple "I'm sorry, I don't do that" usually does the trick, and I've noticed that even after that line, some continue to spend money because "everyone has their price." ::)

Really? Wow, round here guys generally ask right off, before they spend $20. Or even $1.

Delilah27
04-03-2008, 05:56 PM
Yes the extras girl was in the wrong...but what the veteran dancer did WAS NOT NECESSARY...they were both in the wrong.

TheSexKitten
04-03-2008, 08:43 PM
I think the embarassment/humilation factor alone is what got this girl to leave the club and that could have easily been achieved in a non-violent way.

I can't see myself dragging a girl by the hair but I can see myself standing directly over her and her customer yelling, "OMG, Sassafrass is sucking this guy's dick! Bouncer 1, Bouncer 2, Diamond, Alize--Come check this out!" Once I'd assembled a crowd we'd stand around her and pontificate upon her whoredom until she ran out. We'd then do the same in the dressing room.

I'd really enjoy that scene.

Very, very fair. Calling someone out and embarassing them is probably much more effective than making oneself into an aggressive bitch and causing the girl to feel justified in her own actions anyway.

PleasureVictim
04-03-2008, 08:45 PM
I think the embarassment/humilation factor alone is what got this girl to leave the club and that could have easily been achieved in a non-violent way.

I can't see myself dragging a girl by the hair but I can see myself standing directly over her and her customer yelling, "OMG, Sassafrass is sucking this guy's dick! Bouncer 1, Bouncer 2, Diamond, Alize--Come check this out!" Once I'd assembled a crowd we'd stand around her and pontificate upon her whoredom until she ran out. We'd then do the same in the dressing room.

I'd really enjoy that scene.

LMAO @ Sassafrass....I love it!

AlexxaHex
04-03-2008, 09:07 PM
I like the humiliation route a bit better too. It's more entertaining, and leaves a better story to tell. The hair dragging is funny and all, but I don't enjoy becoming violent and only get in that mode when I'm attacked. It really isn't how I like to conduct myself.

kitana
04-04-2008, 04:13 AM
I understand that there are exceptions (including members of this board), but as long as you're following the law, you won't (shouldn't) be arrested or charged. I've been present for several raids, and I've never been ticketed (while others have). Also, I've never seen authorities shut-down a club for more than a couple days unless it has been cited repeatedly over the course of many years, and for various infractions not limited to prostitution (drugs, alcohol violations, pimping, etc.).

I know what you mean, but in this area, the club can get charges as well as individuals. So many charges to the club and it gets shut down, seen it already in a raid of a club a few years back. They arrested damn near every girl there (except for 2 and I know 1 was preggers), and shut it down in one fail swoop cause of girls hooking. Not shut it down temp, shut it down forever, lol.

I know if excise is being bitchy, they can write felony tickets for "encouraging a public nusance" or something along those lines, if they don't see you doing anything wrong, but have a hard on for the club, ya know?

Besides, let's be honest, what extras girl is really gunna call the cops for you dragging her by the hair into the DR for getting caught doing extras?! How is SHE gunna explain that one?

"Well officer, see the thing is; I was sucking this guy's dick for $50 and so and so caught me and assulted me for it...." yeah that will go over peachy, lol! =)

Bridgette
04-04-2008, 04:22 AM
It most certainly makes me money. Unless you work in a club where extras are the norm, most of "those guys" aren't going to broach the subject of obtaining extras until they've spent some money. Almost every OTC request that I've ever gotten has been preceeded by hundreds of dollars spent. A simple "I'm sorry, I don't do that" usually does the trick, and I've noticed that even after that line, some continue to spend money because "everyone has their price." ::)K, you're comparing apples to oranges here. We're talking about getting rid of the girls who do extras IN the clubs, not OTC. I couldn't give a shit who does what OTC and I think I speak for the majority there. But when it's IN the club, it makes a world of difference in earnings potential, arrest risk and general bullshit factor for everyone. All strippers would be better off if all extra-curricular activities were kept OTC. And hell, the hookers probably would too because I should think they could and would command a higher price if they were only providing those services OTC - ITC extras seem to be cheap by definition.

xoxoGracexoxo
04-04-2008, 08:37 AM
Hmmm...I do prefer the public humiliation route to out and out violence, although would you really want every other customer in the club to know that extras were available from at least one girl?

I'm still all about confronting girls directly. At least give them a chance to explain, understand, promise change, whatever. For some, being confronted by a group of peers and told that EVERYONE knows what they're doing is humiliation enough to put them on guard, or maybe get them to leave the club altogether.

To me, I can't see violence as a solution because I know it's not something I would ever be willing to do myself. So if I advocated for it, I'd be saying that I'm content to let other people -- the ones who are willing to resort to those measures -- run the club while I just sit back.

PhillyDancer1982
04-04-2008, 09:27 AM
True. Too bad management doesn't do it's job and actually manage people::). If managers would actually fire hookers, then the veteran dancer wouldn't have to drag the hooker through the club by the hair.

SERIOUSLY. I already bitched in a previous thread about the time this loser old foreign guy grabbed my crotch in the couchroom and when I snitched him out to the manager(AFTER demanding my money and cutting the dance short, of course!), the pushover manager simply said, "Then don't approach him or talk to him anymore. You did the right thing." yet he wouldn't kick him out. He claimed that it wouldn't be fair to kick out the guy for something like grabbing/groping, when other girls' standards might allow him to do that and then some. :O WTF??? The law is the law is the law! This manager is really nice but he's waaay too lax on the extras girls. Morally he disagrees with what they do, but he won't do anything about it.

Ugh. I heard a rumor that one of the girls at my club gave a guy herpes and he went back to the club to complain about it. The other night, my regulars(who I'm also somewhat friends with OTC; consists of a guy and his 20something nephews) came in and "Della" the alleged herpes trasmitter whispered in the one guy's ear and he immediately went to the secluded VIP couchroom with her. They were back there for a while to the point that the guy's uncle got suspicious and asked me to check on them. (The uncle doesn't like the girl much, sees her to be an extras girl, and is always asking me if the girl is on drugs since it's very obvious she is.) I said that I couldn't just go back there and spy on them, but that I'd try to get the bouncer to see what was up and if they were coming back soon. I asked the bouncer(who's also a manager on some nights) to do this, and he laughed bitterly, "Ha I don't want to check on them, because I'll probably end up interrupting something nasty like sex. She does that stuff all the time. Hopefully she's using protection though, because she's dirty with diseases!" WTF???? Extras are possibly going on, and the bouncer would rather AVOID than CONFRONT it?? Other clubs I worked at would keep a close surveillance on that kinda stuff. Ugh.

PhillyDancer1982
04-04-2008, 09:35 AM
Hmmm...I do prefer the public humiliation route to out and out violence,

Awww you want to hear about public humiliation that doesn't involve physical violence? Public humiliation for someone likewise being a "whore" similar to an extras girl but not involving a strip club setting? LOL last year when "Dipshit" cheated on me and I blatantly caught onto this via his Myspace site and his new girl's site, I wrote a mean, ruthless, confrontational "it's over, cunt" comment on his Myspace site(took him 3 days before he logged in and found the comment that everyone else already saw!), and then I exposed his cheatings in a bulletin that I posted on my site. Haha! His older brother Ed still hates me to this day for it, but I don't care...I can't let people step on me and think they can get away with it! Guys haven't treated me anywhere near that shitty since! And if I had the chance to see him in public(if it weren't for him avoiding me cold-turkey) and his girl really tried to beat me up like she countlessly threatened she was going to, admittedly I probably would have succombed to assaulting Dipshit(not the girlfriend, since she was still a minor(17) at the time and I coulda gotten in deep shit for that). But considering that Dipshit is 6'0" or so(almost half a foot taller than me) and his family members have a bad reputation for legal trouble and minor acts of violence, I doubt any cops woulda believed him if I hit him haha!

kaiarose
04-04-2008, 11:13 AM
K, you're comparing apples to oranges here. We're talking about getting rid of the girls who do extras IN the clubs, not OTC. I couldn't give a shit who does what OTC and I think I speak for the majority there. But when it's IN the club, it makes a world of difference in earnings potential, arrest risk and general bullshit factor for everyone. All strippers would be better off if all extra-curricular activities were kept OTC. And hell, the hookers probably would too because I should think they could and would command a higher price if they were only providing those services OTC - ITC extras seem to be cheap by definition.


Yea, B, I'm almost thinking she's an extras girl with the way she's defending them and all.

cameron_keys
04-04-2008, 11:32 AM
My comment about OTC requests was just an example. I consider any OTC arrangement made in the club to fall within the "extras" category. But whether it be an OTC request or an ITC request, I still stand by my statement that most reqeusts for extras will be preceeded by money spent. I agree that the presence of extras ITC is troublesome, but I'm not going to waste my time worrying about something that isn't going away.
You are lucky it isnt affecting your earnings. Here..a lot of guys wont spend anything unless they get a guarantee that extras will be done.They've gotten so conditioned to it by the fact that the majority of girls will do it(without getting paid up front)that they refuse to "settle" for anything "less" :banghead:

kaiarose
04-04-2008, 12:05 PM
I just left a club because I'm uncomfortable with two-way contact (even when it's limited two-way contact). Prior to working there, I worked almost exclusively in clubs that permitted nothing more than one-way contact (with the exception of a six-month stint in Detroit). I now work at club that only provides tableside air dances.

Yep, I love sucking that cock.



Then you're contradicting everything you've said. You said that you like to work in clubs that have extras going on, yet you're saying that you left because of two way contact???/:O

beauty21queen
04-04-2008, 12:15 PM
I guess I know what she is talking about like I said before it depends on the type of club .At this club I used to be at I could easily make $400 off stage and get a bunch of dances in between it was easy.Club was PACKED to the max, all the time where a bunch of people would be standing .That is until the owner decided he was going to fire all the extras girls and the girls that were drug dealers.What happened ?it was dead as shit, I had to struggle to make money .I think everyone was .We didn't really had to hustle (at least the pretty girls)before it was make a whole lot of stage money and get asked for a dance right after I don't think I ever asked anyone around that time.That club is still really slow with its occasional night haven't been there in a really long time.I never even got touched there and if some asshole put his hands on me I eighter stopped the dance asked him for extra$$ or asked him ,he refused, he got his ass kicked out.I miss that club ( well how it used to be)

Morgan_TX
04-04-2008, 12:41 PM
I still stand by my statement that most reqeusts for extras will be preceeded by money spent.

You obviously haven't spent any time in Texas then.

I get customers who will approach ME and ask, "Can I get a lapdance?" When I say, "Sure," they say, "Are you going to let me play with your pussy?" like it's the most normal request in the world. When I tell them no, they say, "Then I don't want a dance after all," and walk off. This happens EVERY SINGLE NIGHT! (Or some variation, like, "Can I suck on your titties?" or "Do I get to lick your pussy?")

I approach customers for a dance and they tell me up-front, "You won't let me have any fun, so I don't want a dance from you." They say this because they know (either because I've told them or because somebody else has) that I'm NOT an extras girl.

I have customers tell me straight out that they won't buy a lapdance unless I'll let them finger my asshole or play with my boobies. I've had them tell me that they don't want a lapdance unless I'm going to play with their dick. And then, of course, there are those that don't even ask--they just wait until you turn your back and get ready to sit down and pull their dick out in the lapdance room. My co-worker (who IS a clean dancer) has had this happen four times in the past two weeks.

These guys don't spend money. They fully expect to get a handjob for $20, and they won't part with that $20 unless you promise them a handjob or more.

cameron_keys
04-04-2008, 12:45 PM
^^yep. Thats pretty much exactly what it's like here too. Even the guys who dont ask up front will look at you like you have two heads when you move their hands away from your crotch during the dance.

"why would I pay you if I can even finger you??" ...like thats just a normal part of a lapdance

Morgan_TX
04-04-2008, 12:51 PM
"why would I pay you if I can even finger you??" ...like thats just a normal part of a lapdance

How about this one, from Monday night: "Will you quit moving around so I can suck on your titties?!"

Or from last night, when I wouldn't let him put his finger inside my T-back: "What do you think I'm paying you for?"

beauty21queen
04-04-2008, 12:56 PM
I'm from Texas that didn't happen to me in San Antonio and hasn't happened to me in Dallas although in Dallas they just start grabbing me but I know how to get out of it and its basically just trying to touch my boobs for the most part.I can still get some dances out of them though.

Morgan_TX
04-04-2008, 01:51 PM
It has been my experience that most men will be satisfied with whatever they can get IF what they can get is consistent. For example, I know that a first-time visitor to my club from Oklahoma is usually going to be thrilled with our higher-contact lapdances, because in most places in OK, "lapdances" are more like tableside dances. But once he goes back to OK, he may not be satisfied with their low-contact tabledances anymore.

If guys know that they can get a really GREAT lapdance WITHOUT extras, they'll eventually be satisfied with that, or else they'll simply stay away or go look for a street-walker or call an escort service. But if all the girls I'm working with are doing extras, the men simply EXPECT to get pussy-licking and asshole-fingering and titty-sucking. They simply don't understand why I WON'T do it. If nobody in our club does it, then I can always say, "I just can't! The manager would have my head!" But if everybody else is doing it, that's not much of an excuse, is it?

The way I see it, there's three kinds of clubs:

CLUB #1: Clubs where there are virtually no extras. Guys who want extras learn to stay away, which might hurt overall bar business. These clubs tend to be a bit more classy, though, so they'll be more likely to attract a big spender than most of the little dive bars. Ultimately, they'll earn you about as much as a clean dancer as club #2; the club may not be as packed, but the customers will usually spend more per person.

CLUB #2: Clubs where most of the dancers are clean and there are one or two dirty girls. In these clubs, the majority of the extras girls are, frankly, undesirable in a number of ways. Maybe they're ugly. Maybe they're bitchy. Maybe they're just "ghetto", but when the extras girls are the exception rather than the rule, they tend to be of a lower quality than the non-extras girls. The guys who want extras will still come in to see the BJ queen, but since the extras girls are skanks, the pretty, classy, polite woman will still be more highly prized. If she can put up with the constant pestering for extras, she'll probably do okay. In the end, she'll make about the same amount as the extras girl because she'll continue to get dances since she's better than the extras girl.

CLUB #3: Clubs where non-extras girls are the exception rather than the rule. Frankly, men tend to get cheap. After all, why should I pay $300 for a blowjob from you when I can get a blowjob for $20? And if you're not giving me head, why should I give you $20? I don't care if your face looks like Quasimodo; my eyes will be closed anyways and your face will be on my dick.

Optimist
04-04-2008, 07:34 PM
Yea, B, I'm almost thinking she's an extras girl with the way she's defending them and all.
Oooooo, let the cyber lynch mob assemble! Or not! How about she simply doesn't agree with Bridgette on this. :) I've found that what she says is true. You put a little bit of extras girls in the mix and they think they might hit the jackpot and come to the club in droves. Too much of them and it's a race to the bottom- in prices, in legal risk, etc.

Star_bare_elegance
04-04-2008, 08:01 PM
hmmm I don't think that whole dragging her by the hair thing was called for . Some dancers are begging to catch a case IMO. :-X Also Ladies catch the wrong girl on the wrong day and grab her by the hair for ANY reason and I mean ANY. That's a open invitation to get beat down until the police come. I guess y'all can ride to jail together.

Aubreyyy
04-04-2008, 08:16 PM
If I saw a girl drag another by the hair...I would not consider her a class act of any kind.

LADIES don't resort to violence. I wouldn't want my customers to think I'm a trashy bitch.

RoseLeigh
04-04-2008, 09:32 PM
You are lucky it isnt affecting your earnings. Here..a lot of guys wont spend anything unless they get a guarantee that extras will be done.They've gotten so conditioned to it by the fact that the majority of girls will do it(without getting paid up front)that they refuse to "settle" for anything "less" :banghead:

So true. It's not as bad as Fl or TX here, but most of the extras/OTC seekers (and there are a lot anymore-mostly looking for OTC) are looking up front, before spending a dime. Also-the ones who won't get a dance unless you see them outside/date them, not technically OTC as they want it for free. ::) It totally hurts our money here. If they'd get a few dances before offering me money for stuff, I'd do a freaking jig.

kitana
04-05-2008, 02:50 AM
If I saw a girl drag another by the hair...I would not consider her a class act of any kind.

LADIES don't resort to violence. I wouldn't want my customers to think I'm a trashy bitch.

Like being an extras girl is so classy. ::)

What's the fun in being a "Lady" anyway? No 4 wheelin', fishin', huntin', cage fighting, burping, farting, telling DIRTY jokes, etc; always have to have makeup, hair, nails, toes, clothes, speech, etc... perfect.

What's the fun in that?!

xoxoGracexoxo
04-05-2008, 09:35 AM
Yea, B, I'm almost thinking she's an extras girl with the way she's defending them and all.

And this is exactly why I don't think violence should be used in these situations. BohemianSiren makes a couple of comments that buck the majority line on extras in the club and all of a sudden she's "defending" extras and probably doing them herself. Is this the part where we grab her by her hair and drag her around?

cameron_keys
04-05-2008, 01:54 PM
Note to self: continue to stay away from the other coast. And don't visit Houstan (for dancing purposes, anyway).

Yikes, Cam, time to move if I were you. :(

yeah I just dont dance here very often anymore

bounce86
04-05-2008, 05:18 PM
i've only had a "extras episode" twice. once, another bouncer picked the dancer up and tossed her out side fully nude followed by all her belongings from the dressing room, we had to fight tooth and nail to keep him on the team. the second time we waited for the dancer to come back to the dressing room and had all her stuff in a small cardboardbox, we also had to keep the dancers away from her because they would have torn her to shreds. amazingly we never had a plan on what to do in case of that happening until it did the first time.

TheSexKitten
04-05-2008, 05:28 PM
i've only had a "extras episode" twice. once, another bouncer picked the dancer up and tossed her out side fully nude followed by all her belongings from the dressing room

LOL!!! :D That's a funny mental image

bounce86
04-05-2008, 05:41 PM
LOL!!! :D That's a funny mental image

she got heaved out the door and i followed with all her crap. all i got over the radio was "grab misty's crap and meet me at the front door" i did as i was told. it was like my third night, it was the first time anything like that had ever happened at the club. when they hired me the only thing they had a plan for was a fire :O i made plans for everything from a drunk guy to a person with a gun......... a hooker never crossed my mind ::) the other bouncer definitely should have handled it a little more mature but it apparently was the fourth time she was reported( to the bouncer and no one else) and he snapped.

PhillyDancer1982
04-07-2008, 08:10 AM
GUESS WHAT GUYS! A lot of the drug-addicted extras strippers got fired from MY club, too! This includes the one extras stripper who had herpes but did extras(supposedly a customer came back the next day and threatened management to have the place shut down because this girl gave him herpes fucking him in the couchroom), stole peoples shit including my license(which caused me to get rejected from drinking this weekend, plus get a bad snobby attitude from the bartenders that rejected my expired ID, since my current ID ws stolen), and was high as a kite from narcotics every night. Ugh. On Thursday night, she was on 10 Zanaxes instead of her usual 3-4, and she got caught pickpocketing a customer. THANK GOD she's gone! I ranted about her for like 3-4hrs Saturday to M--k on the phone(and now M--k's pissed at me for it), doing my druggie impression of her. I wrote a Myspace bulletin about how happy I am that she's gone. I have a MUCH better impression of the too-friendly manager, now that he cleaned house for once. ALLELUJAH!

PhillyDancer1982
04-07-2008, 08:13 AM
Oh yeah and on Saturday night when I got rejected for drinking due to this extras bitch stealing my current ID(dumb cunts didn't accept my expired license, even though a POLICE OFFICER accepted it just fine earlier that same day), I was angry so I called up my club and told the manager how happy I was that he fired Bella(the stupid curly blonde stripper who did extras and drugs). Haha the manager wasn't annoyed, if anything he actually told me, "Yeah me and 'Darren'[one of the other 2 managers] have been trying to get rid of her for over a month now." HAHAHA!

NOTE: I know it's stupid to call my club and say things like that, but I called from a blocked number and I was really, really, really mad when I got rejected from the bar on a night that we were supposed to be hugely celebrating M--k's brother's triumphant return home from Iraq...all because that extras bitch stole my ID.

CuriousSeeker
04-07-2008, 01:38 PM
was high as a kite from narcotics every night. Ugh. On Thursday night, she was on 10 Zanaxes instead of her usual 3-4

How does she even find her way to the stage?