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VenusGoddess
04-07-2008, 12:01 PM
You know what then?

Why don't you offer to back off the site for awhile?


Sing it, sister. Perhaps it's too obvious.

:laughing:

:thanx:

jasmine
04-07-2008, 12:03 PM
^ I've already withdrawn from the gift exchange, where I was the most visible, frankly.

I've been on this site for almost four years and I still haven't even reached 2,000 posts. How crazy is that? I think I'm averaging less than a post a day.

I'm only posting in this thread right now, and that's just in the hope that B will calm down and see that she is deeply appreciated and valuable to this site. It may happen and it may not, but I do want to make that effort.

Take a look at my post count and I've been a member a couple of years longer and maybe I'm wrong, but I consider myself a fairly visible member. I'm certainly vocal and bitchy enough.

I really hesitate to say much because you do shell out the money to keep us operating. Basically though, yeah, we are a bunch of strippers. We take money from men for a living. We are competitive about it. Even if we have plenty of money ourselves it's not much fun to listen to all the cool shit everyone else gets. Including the money you give out, which no one was ever quite about.

I'm not even sure if you can fix it at this point. Right after all the money crap, the gift exchanges started. Kinda makes it difficult to forget when it keeps happening.

Then your post about not feeling the love or something if members haven't sent you PM's the other day. That was weird. Hell, maybe I'm missing a whole other side of SW because I rarely PM anyone. Is there this entire network of PM discussion's flying around this site? Weird as fuck.

Disclaimer - Here is my own bit of insanity since I'm probably going to take a vacay soon and this has been driving me freakin nuts. You probably aren't gonna answer this one, but did you live in the central NC area a couple of years back? Out there question I know, but it's been bugging me since you switched avi's. I KNOW I've seen you somewhere. Have no idea where though.

zxcire
04-07-2008, 12:06 PM
wow can we say scapegoat? i love the logic.:O

jasmine
04-07-2008, 12:13 PM
wow can we say scapegoat? i love the logic.:O

If this was referring to my post. I have no problem with TOO. I just don't think it takes a genius to figure out why many girls do. Hell, I'm spoiled rotten and get pretty much anything I want and it still kinda irked for a second to hear about all the awesome gifts. Imagine how someone who didn't have their own money to buy the stuff would feel. Other than that though I don't have an particular character issues with TOO. I do feel very sorry for nicolina though.

Edit: ok the fact is I guess I do have some things that irk about TOO but don't want to really rock the boat and lose our website though. So yeah, I really see where some girls are coming from. Really blows to feel like you should just suck it up and not say a damn thing.

TigersMilk
04-07-2008, 12:13 PM
I really hesitate to say much because you do shell out the money to keep us operating.
I have a sinking feeling you may not be the only one who thinks this.

Bridgette
04-07-2008, 12:20 PM
wow can we say scapegoat? i love the logic.:OLook bitch, I responded very nicely to your shitty little remarks on the first page of this thread but I feel no need to be nice again. Since this is MY farewell thread I would appreciate if you keep your snotty little remarks to yourself.

zxcire
04-07-2008, 12:21 PM
Bridgitte. That post wasn't even directed to you. However, since you went there:

You fucked a lot of people over with your stupid shitty business practices. You have no room to talk.

Take care!!!!

Bridgette
04-07-2008, 12:23 PM
::) WTFever. Why don't you go back to the basement and suck up some more to the blueballers?

All Good Things
04-07-2008, 12:23 PM
^ Surely TM you are joking. I've been burned at the stake here pretty effectively, don't you think? :) I'm the one screaming at the top of my lungs that B. can and should take shots at me if she thinks I am screwing up, and everybody else can see that.

It's important to me that people feel no impediment to being honest.

VenusGoddess
04-07-2008, 12:24 PM
wow can we say scapegoat? i love the logic.:O

Scapegoat? For what? It's all factual.

This site was SUPPOSED to be for strippers to come and decompress. MOST of us do not want the site overrun by PL's who throw their money around. That's what the club is for.

TOO may be a really nice guy, but the blatant and frequent "all my money" posts and the girls who throw themselves at him are just...not needed.

It's not scapegoating anything. It's being honest. And there are a lot of people who feel this way and haven't said anything because they don't want to lose the site, which, thankfully, TOO has been nice enough to help support. It doesn't change the fact, however, that over time it's become this blatant, "bend over and let me stick my nose up your ass a little more" bullshit. Look at the banner.

Then, on the same token...those of us who have been vocal about feeling uncomfy with the "chest thumping" of wealth for the site have pretty much been told to just shut the fuck up.

It's just getting to the point that shutting the fuck up is not going to happen anymore. We've been asked what we want to see happen with this site...and here it is.

Don't get me wrong...I appreciate the donation from TOO to keep the site open. But there were other people wanting to donate and being turned down. The constant bragging (not just from TOO but from Pryce, as well) needs to stop. It needed to stop a long time ago...but as was said before...when this was brought up in the beginning when this FIRST started...we were told to shut up.

And this is the result of telling people to shut up for long enough.

Thus endeth the sermon.

zxcire
04-07-2008, 12:25 PM
::) WTFever. Why don't you go back to the basement and suck up some more with the blueballers?

What? what's your problem with me? Are you following my posts or something? Don't get me wrong, I'm flattered, certainly; I'm glad to be the source of your entertainment. And yeah, that siteblocker would probably do you some good.

Jeez.

stripperMBA
04-07-2008, 12:29 PM
wow can we say scapegoat? i love the logic.:O
I am agreeing with this. It seems to me by making a scapegoat out of TOO people are ignoring some basic problems. Like people argueing on thread to the point of insults, and then it carries over to other threads. People who carry arguments to other threads should be banned because that is how the flame wars start. But I see they are still posting so I have to put them on ignore. What ever happened to having standards?? Wait there are none here thats why so many people have left stripperweb. Oh well guess I will just be hanging out in member boards for a long time.

All Good Things
04-07-2008, 12:32 PM
Scapegoat? For what? It's all factual.

This site was SUPPOSED to be for strippers to come and decompress. MOST of us do not want the site overrun by PL's who throw their money around. That's what the club is for.

TOO may be a really nice guy, but the blatant and frequent "all my money" posts and the girls who throw themselves at him are just...not needed.

It's not scapegoating anything. It's being honest. And there are a lot of people who feel this way and haven't said anything because they don't want to lose the site, which, thankfully, TOO has been nice enough to help support. It doesn't change the fact, however, that over time it's become this blatant, "bend over and let me stick my nose up your ass a little more" bullshit. Look at the banner.

Then, on the same token...those of us who have been vocal about feeling uncomfy with the "chest thumping" of wealth for the site have pretty much been told to just shut the fuck up.

It's just getting to the point that shutting the fuck up is not going to happen anymore. We've been asked what we want to see happen with this site...and here it is.

Don't get me wrong...I appreciate the donation from TOO to keep the site open. But there were other people wanting to donate and being turned down. The constant bragging (not just from TOO but from Pryce, as well) needs to stop. It needed to stop a long time ago...but as was said before...when this was brought up in the beginning when this FIRST started...we were told to shut up.

And this is the result of telling people to shut up for long enough.

Thus endeth the sermon.

Thank you for that. This is what I mean about the importance of honesty.

Could you please clarify for me whether you think I've ever told anybody to shut up? I don't think so, but I'm willing to stand corrected.

I would like to think long and hard about what you have to say here and see what I need to do to change it. Fair enough?

Oh, and honestly, the banner was only put up as an "example" of what would soon appear on the site so potential sponsors could see it. If we are going to go in the direction of ads, then we are likely to see many more of these. I am really hoping some dancer product sales sites will be willing to advertise here.

kitana
04-07-2008, 12:33 PM
You know what then?

Why don't you offer to back off the site for awhile?




Maybe some of us like seeing him around here.

virgoamm
04-07-2008, 12:35 PM
Okay, let's stop with the drama, yeah? Lest this one gets closed too and more people get pissed off.

jasmine
04-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Scapegoat? For what? It's all factual.

This site was SUPPOSED to be for strippers to come and decompress. MOST of us do not want the site overrun by PL's who throw their money around. That's what the club is for.

TOO may be a really nice guy, but the blatant and frequent "all my money" posts and the girls who throw themselves at him are just...not needed.

It's not scapegoating anything. It's being honest. And there are a lot of people who feel this way and haven't said anything because they don't want to lose the site, which, thankfully, TOO has been nice enough to help support. It doesn't change the fact, however, that over time it's become this blatant, "bend over and let me stick my nose up your ass a little more" bullshit. Look at the banner.

Then, on the same token...those of us who have been vocal about feeling uncomfy with the "chest thumping" of wealth for the site have pretty much been told to just shut the fuck up.

It's just getting to the point that shutting the fuck up is not going to happen anymore. We've been asked what we want to see happen with this site...and here it is.

Don't get me wrong...I appreciate the donation from TOO to keep the site open. But there were other people wanting to donate and being turned down. The constant bragging (not just from TOO but from Pryce, as well) needs to stop. It needed to stop a long time ago...but as was said before...when this was brought up in the beginning when this FIRST started...we were told to shut up.

And this is the result of telling people to shut up for long enough.

Thus endeth the sermon.

Thanks you Venus!
ITFA! Lately everything is just coming to a head. Years of frustration over these issues is making me feel like a raving lunatic. Yes, some threads are turning into flame wars, but I think much of it needed to be said. It's really hard to remain quite and play nice forever.

Especially while being ignored. I feel fucking invisible today! >:(

stripperMBA
04-07-2008, 12:38 PM
Oh, and honestly, the banner was only put up as an "example" of what would soon appear on the site so potential sponsors could see it. If we are going to go in the direction of ads, then we are likely to see many more of these. I am really hoping some dancer product sales sites will be willing to advertise here.
Anyone remember what happened with the last product ads we had from a lingerie business? Sure they were a crappy company but they were giving the site money. They got flamed away, and pryce warned us all about how he did not want this site to be overridden with flamers. Which it has...

TigersMilk
04-07-2008, 12:39 PM
I am agreeing with this. It seems to me by making a scapegoat out of TOO people are ignoring some basic problems. Like people arguing on thread to the point of insults, and then it carries over to other threads. People who carry arguments to other threads should be banned because that is how the flame wars start.

I agree there are other problems than peoples opinions on TOO.
I wish I could fix clubs and reviews and the articles. There is alot of good basic information in those sections that will always be helpful to newbies and vets alike.
I wish there was an easy action to take to get people not incite flame wars in many threads in all sections of the site.
I wish members would learn to protect their own privacy better.
I wish I wish... I can only make suggestions though I'm not the one who can put fingers to the keys to make it happen.

All Good Things
04-07-2008, 12:41 PM
^ The drama llama meter is low, I think. I actually really enjoyed VG's post and wish we could get more measured criticism like that. I believe her and need to think about my role in correcting this situation.

The irony, of course, is that the changes I have made in this direction so far, which are clearly insufficient, have been at the behest of Bridgette.

TL, I have no problem with anything people have to say about me. Can we please keep this open so people have the opportunity to say what they want?

VenusGoddess
04-07-2008, 12:42 PM
Thank you for that. This is what I mean about the importance of honesty.

Could you please clarify for me whether you think I've ever told anybody to shut up? I don't think so, but I'm willing to stand corrected.

I would like to think long and hard about what you have to say here and see what I need to do to change it. Fair enough?

Oh, and honestly, the banner was only put up as an "example" of what would soon appear on the site so potential sponsors could see it. If we are going to go in the direction of ads, then we are likely to see many more of these. I am really hoping some dancer product sales sites will be willing to advertise here.

No, YOU never told us to shut up. Pryce did. When this all started happening and we complained that we thought it was becoming too much (when I say "we", I'm talking about the majority of veteran members and some mods...and this was when I was a mod...and one of the reasons I stopped being a mod), we were told, "Too bad, shut up." Maybe in "nicer" words, but the feeling was the same.

The banner is just another "unexplained" thing. Oh, it's for other sponsors to see what can be done, but the fact is...it's giving site support credit to ONE person. You. It's not giving site support credit to anyone else (Djoser and sxybrat). Whether or not they wanted that, is not the point. You've said you never asked for that banner, but was given it anyways. So, from anyone else's POV, you are the one and only site supporter. But when this first happened, that's NOT what it was for. It was to "publicly thank you for your contributions to the site." And to that, I was uncomfortable. Yes, thank you...but no one else was allowed to contribute (in fact, were blatantly turned down) and then the complaint that without your help, the site would have died. When that is not the case. It would not have died because there were a lot of people here who would have made it work. That is never stated and it is never talked about. You did a very nice thing but the point has always been...had Pryce allowed it, there were a handful of dancers who would have done the same (even if it meant pooling everything together). In fact, there are STILL dancers who want to help...but have no way of doing so. That does not diminish what YOU'VE done...but it does diminish what these others were trying to do.

Now mind you, this was done AFTER we complained about the amount of "bragging" that was beginning to happen.

We complained, Pryce listened and told us to shut up. In fact, there were a few of us who started complaining on the site and were told to knock it off. No one wanted to piss you off and have you pull the funding.

And there you have it.

*if this is confuzzled, whatever, sorry...trying to type this while keeping the kiddie fingers off the keyboard.*

TigersMilk
04-07-2008, 12:43 PM
Like I said before...this thread is mostly constructed of past due much needed site criticism and will remain open.

Djoser
04-07-2008, 12:43 PM
And somehow there has been this mythology that has grown up that I was personally chest-beating about the gifts, bragging on the boards about what I sent out. None of this is true. I never posted anywhere what I was sending out, ever.

What about claiming to be able to divert the Kitty Hawk carrier task force to deliver Lysondra's 2,000$ boots? You might not view that as bragging, but to some it appears very much like it.

Sorry, I do appreciate that you have kept the site running for a couple years there, but what might appear to you as simple discussion of what you sent, like say seven boxes to one woman, isn't going to be viewed in the same light by everyone.

pinkpvc
04-07-2008, 12:44 PM
I'm nt sure if you can answer this for me TOO but has affiliate linking been looked into as a potential income stream?
Heres wicked temptations as an example doing a 20% comission in their affiliate program,and they are a widely used and trusted company with a lot of SW'ers using them.
http://www.wickedtemptations.com/affiliate-program.html

tRoUbLeMaKeR
04-07-2008, 12:45 PM
I've skimmed through this thread and feel like things have been going on that I was totally unaware of! geez do I feel like a loser! LOL!.

Bridgette...I hate to see you go. Please reconsider. I hate when people who have been here since I first logged on or close to it leave. :( I'll miss you and your posts though.

I don't even know what to say to the issues mentioned in this thread. Some I agree with and some I just don't know enough about to comment on. the one thing I do know and agree with is this site becomming a pay for membership site. I like the idea of this site being a haven for strippers and a resource. It does seem that over the last few years some things have gone down hill. But it's all we've got as far as I know, so I hang in there and enjoy the good parts.

good luck to you bridgette. i do think you should stay around....start a revolution :)

Pryce
04-07-2008, 12:46 PM
So I took my own advice and slept last night before responding B. My emotions have ranged from anger to just brushing you off. I don't think either extreme though would benefit either of us or those reading this. As much as we seem to be at odds here on SW, offline I consider you a friend. We have had several genuine exchanges and I've always appreciated your input. I typically feel that you keep me real, that you are my personal check, and keep me in touch. I've never cared much for your public attacks on me, as they are unnecessary, I'd listen just as well - perhaps even better (because you wouldn't get drowned out by the complaints of countless others) - if you would call me and speak your mind. I accept you with the dramatics. However, this time I think it is you who is out of touch. You have asked some direct and honest questions and so I've decided to answer you in turn - directly and honestly. Regardless of whether you leave or not, I hope you see we've always been playing for the same team.

One part of our history that we've never told publicly is what happened between "before StripperWeb had a name" and StripperWeb.com being launched. I typically glaze over it out of my appreciation and respect for you. Looking back though, I feel treated very similarly now as I did then by yourself. Leaving stripperpower.com Charlotte put us together to work on a new site. We exchanged formats, technical tips, mapped out the site, etc. I got working versions of the site up, you had articles written. After a month or so I drew up a contract to split everything 50/50 between us and we had a time and date to meet to sign everything. Before meeting we spoke on the phone and you kept repeating how young I was. Later that same day (just hours before meeting), you canceled our appointment and backed out of partnering with me. That was the end of us working together. You went forward with your project and I with mine. To this day I believe that you doubted my ability to pull off the production of the site due to my age. While this time I do not think it is age related, I do feel that you again doubt me.

Given our past, I take that doubt from you to especially to be insulting. I also find your tone surprisingly disrespectful - I have never addressed you in such a way. As I've mentioned elsewhere, I understand your questioning, concerns, and frustration - but giving up, jumping ship in a flurry, and taking stabs at me on your way out came as a surprise - an interesting twist in the ongoing daytime drama that is SW. Sometimes I feel like Vince McMahon.

True, I have neglected the site. I do not deny that. However, I think it is unfair of you to judge me for doing so. I also think that proposing that selling it to you would have avoided trouble is an emotional opinion. While caring for the site is important, that is not everything. My niece would care the crap out of a kitten, but can she truly provide for it? You asked this very personally, so I will answer it as such. As mentioned above, you have had a chance at doing this previously. Why did your plans not work there? Have you actually considered that? I have and would never turn over SW to anyone I feel could not carry it forward. SW needs stability (I’ll get into this more later), and while we haven’t done much of that as of late, I believe it was always one of our key offerings. I do not see that you offer SW the stability it requires. That does not take away from your other gifts, of which you have plenty. Honestly though, that has always been my largest reservation when it comes to working or partnering with you.

Before I get too far from the topic of my lack of action on the site, let’s look at our competition over the years. Off the top of my head I can think of 12 that were either around when SW started or have come up since. Most of these sites never made it off the ground. Of those sites that did take off and develop a community, only one has survived more than 3 years. It does so by being well run and limiting its size. All the others begin to crack at 2 years and die in the third. That includes those with big financial backing. Of course I don’t take all the credit for our success – I just built the house, put up open house signs, and laid the ground rules – you members made this place a home and the moderators have held that home together. Obviously, I do not think I am infallible, nor have I made the perfect move every time – but who has? We have managed to stay head and shoulders above any competition and have done so for a very long time.

So then, where are the problems? One of my largest mistakes was making SW a labor of love and not a business. As such it does not take priority over my personal life or career. I see my role here is to give direction, encourage growth, and support the general well-being of the site. That is a basic summary that includes several tasks. When I pull away, the anarchists, instigators, narcissists, and exploiters move into the foreground. The only rule then is he/she who shouts the loudest gets the most attention. Of course the moderators help with that, but they are limited in what they can do.

Let’s see how this dependency has affected SW’s history. In the beginning (there was nothing…) I was a college student running SW out of his parent’s home. They provided me with stability, food, clothing, etc. I was also in a long term relationship. I was going to school and made some money on the side consulting. Spending 12 hours a day working here was easy and fun. Should problems arise I was here to tackle them. Fast forward 2.5 years - I was getting married and needed to focus on making it in the real world. I continued to consult and made enough money so my ex could help run the site. We also brought in mods to help out. Over the next year as our relationship fell apart, so did my business and our participation on the site. Again the site struggled (this isn’t the “pity me” portion of my response – that comes later). Late 2006, I hit bottom, I couldn’t sustain my business alone, was getting divorced, broken hearted, and was fighting off a depression. I was already broke and SW only came to me with its hand out. That is where TOO stepped in. Unlike anyone else (and many others came to me), he did not want anything in exchange for his support, not the site, not control, not my soul. I respect him very much for doing so. As a token of my appreciation I offered him public acknowledgement, which he accepted. Over the next 6 months I began rebuilding myself and my life. I got a new job, began having fun again, built social relationships, and participated here a bit more. Mid-2007 I realized I needed more help and hired Tashia. Again, this was possible because TOO was covering bandwidth, the money I typically used to support the site could then be put into hiring her. Late 2007, I finally built a stable home, job, relationship, I call my mom once a week, and see friends once every 3 weeks or so. I feel healthy, NOW I can focus on SW. Since that time I have been working to evaluate what is going on here and what it is going to take to make this place a stable refuge for the members – and not just an extension of the club. Unfortunately, the drama has been so heavy and frequent, MOST of my time is spent dealing with it. So how do we move forward?

As you know B, several moves have already been made to improve the problems you have expressed. As you mentioned, I am turning to members to help build more social events. I will be empowering the moderators more to effectively handle problems (also please note your call for more censorship, while complaining you were being censored). In the works are also clearly defined rules so all members are aware and treated equally. A member survey is on the horizon to take honest anonymous feedback and hear from EVERYONE (not just a vocal minority) what the problems really are. I have also negotiated an upgrade to our server and hosting which will allow us to usher in technical changes and fixes – that happens this week – before the fundraiser officially begins, thank you to an anonymous donor. There are many other things in the works as well. If you do not believe they are coming, then this will not convince you otherwise. I will be satisfied to let time tell if I am being genuine or not.

The long-term goal is to make SW stable and secure on its own - independent of any individual, including myself. Should my life go ape-shit again, SW should be able to function smoothly. I am using the time I have now to build that foundation under it and up through it.

All Good Things
04-07-2008, 12:46 PM
^ Oh now Djoser, the boots were not $2,000 and the Kitty Hawk was the biggest tongue-in-cheek joke that week.

I recognize the problem of public perception and that's why I appreciated VG's post so much. It's something to work on.

Bridgette
04-07-2008, 12:47 PM
I am agreeing with this. It seems to me by making a scapegoat out of TOO people are ignoring some basic problems.


I agree there are other problems than peoples opinions on TOO.
Remember my OP, where I listed a whole bunch of problems that have been neglected for years? TOO is just the loudest, and of course the one who constantly feigns innocence while saying manipulative shit that divides the community. And he LOVES making shit all about him.

But ultimately, as I said before, the root of all the problems is the extended neglect from the site's owner (while of course refusing to let anyone else try to help).

VenusGoddess
04-07-2008, 12:49 PM
Need to add:

I don't want you to pull the funding, but I do want an opportunity to contribute and for the others who want to contribute, to contribute. I think a lot of this backlash is due to frustration of wanting to do something and being told it can't happen, only to see someone else doing it.

It's not because you're a bad guy...but because we're being prevented from helping contribute to a site that we love.

Does that make sense?

All Good Things
04-07-2008, 12:57 PM
^ It makes perfect sense.

I would never pull funding for the site. In fact, I'm increasing it.

Please understand that it's frustrating for me, too -- I literally have no control whatsoever over how others can or cannot contribute. My hands are completely tied. The only reason I have a direct pipeline is because it's what keeps the site up and operating while the details on how others can contribute are being worked out.

I know it is frustrating to you and others as well.

Bridgette
04-07-2008, 12:58 PM
Pryce. Unstable? I have been here for 6 years. Not you.

On that note, my time is up.

VenusGoddess
04-07-2008, 12:59 PM
Anyone remember what happened with the last product ads we had from a lingerie business? Sure they were a crappy company but they were giving the site money. They got flamed away, and pryce warned us all about how he did not want this site to be overridden with flamers. Which it has...

I have to address this. They got flamed because they were a crappy company who was trying to rip people off. They got flamed because they were here to "support" the site using a method that was not beneficial for any of the dancers. They got flamed because when we started asking questions and clarification, they got snotty and rude. Yes, they pulled out, but they would have done so anyways when the complaints sky-rocketed. They were dishonest from the get-go.

If Pryce brought in a good company (like ForHim Lingerie was for a while), there would be no problem. But, bring in a bad, dishonest company...and they're going to get flamed.

Pryce
04-07-2008, 12:59 PM
An addendum to that monster post:

The reason we are not currently accepting donations from the general population is that there is no system in place. TOO’s donations are large enough that I can go through extra effort to receive them. Another user also donated via mail. But I cannot maintain this on a large scale. If you think back, I was accepting donations as little as a year ago. Remember the accusations that I was trying to take people’s money? That I wasn’t giving upgraded accounts fast enough? That is the reason I cut public donations off.

I have more important areas to focus on immediately. Once I have the drama under control, then I can give attention to developing a donation system that works and take donations online from all members. Like everything, it takes time and effort - and not the severely underestimated effort assumed by a few in this thread.

When I have a system in place, it will be done right.

Pryce
04-07-2008, 01:02 PM
Pryce. Unstable? I have been here for 6 years. Not you.

On that note, my time is up.

I realize. I know we can all be unstable, but I think I am less prone to extremes. You asked my opinion.

You too have had your time off. I've always been here as well, 6 years...just in varying frequency. I've always checked in and made sure the lights stayed on.

VenusGoddess
04-07-2008, 01:02 PM
^ It makes perfect sense.

I would never pull funding for the site. In fact, I'm increasing it.

Please understand that it's frustrating for me, too -- I literally have no control whatsoever over how others can or cannot contribute. My hands are completely tied. The only reason I have a direct pipeline is because it's what keeps the site up and operating while the details on how others can contribute are being worked out.

I know it is frustrating to you and others as well.

You have a direct pipeline.

How hard would it be for Pryce to have a PO Box? Make a PayPal account that is not linked to SW...a private "for goods" account to receive other's donations/membership fees? Details need to be worked out? You tell people how much you're charging and take their money. What details need to be worked out? PayPal doesn't accept SW as a "merchant"? Then go in the back way. To me, personally, it sounds like this is being made out to be much more complicated than it really is. Really.

It's not just frustrating...it's insulting.

All Good Things
04-07-2008, 01:02 PM
Remember my OP, where I listed a whole bunch of problems that have been neglected for years? TOO is just the loudest, and of course the one who constantly feigns innocence while saying manipulative shit that divides the community. And he LOVES making shit all about him.

B., I just put a post on blue, and one here as well, saying that it's not about me at all. It's about trying to convince you to stay.

I am very far from perfect. But we are stronger if you stick around and push for the changes you see as needed. I sure as hell am willing to listen. I've already made certain changes based on a previous blasting from you. ;D

VegasPrincess
04-07-2008, 01:05 PM
Maybe we should change the title of this thread to "lets all tell each other to fuck off...."
That seems to be what is happening. I don't think it's neccessary, at all. I don't think it's cool to encourage other members to leave too, just because you don't like what they have to say.
If you are really unhappy here, then I guess you know where the door is. I'm really tired of everyone picking on each other and being so nasty....
And I agree that there isn't any point to Scapegoat TOO. I don't think we need to gang up on him or anyone else. He really didn't do anything wrong in my opinion....yes, he gave girls presents and pays for the site to be hostted....what a jerk !! (not)

It's not just this thread, but so many are being nasty!!! It's really not very cool or flattering to anyone.

BalletBaby
04-07-2008, 01:06 PM
I'm really curious as to the actual number of people willing to donate. I know I would.

pinkpvc
04-07-2008, 01:08 PM
then I can give attention to developing a donation system that works and take donations online from all members. Like everything, it takes time and effort - and not the severely underestimated effort assumed by a few in this thread.
It's my opinion that you are making this more complicated for yourself than it really is. As i said there are so many services for accepting payments out there with simple methods of integration that yout could get set up in one night.I have done it,bridgette has done it, and i'm sure thousands of other Sw'ers have.
IMO there needs to be a stopgap system put in place even if you do have plans for bigger things that need more development.

krchab99
04-07-2008, 01:10 PM
omg i have been readin this thread for the past hour but to be honest i think this is a prodective thread. I have been here for a long time and the issues brought out in this thread have been around for awhile and its good there getting out in the open and talked about. I would definatly donate to the sie if there was a way espicaly to get the club reviews section working agine.

loveandluxury
04-07-2008, 01:11 PM
I'm not really sure what is going on here, nor do I want to know. I would however like to say You will be missed B, your posts have been very inspiring and helpful and I wish you the best of luck in whatever you do and wherever you go.

JustJayda
04-07-2008, 01:15 PM
It's my opinion that you are making this more complicated for yourself than it really is. As i said there are so many services for accepting payments out there with simple methods of integration that yout could get set up in one night.I have done it,bridgette has done it, and i'm sure thousands of other Sw'ers have.
IMO there needs to be a stopgap system put in place even if you do have plans for bigger things that need more development.

At this point, I'm sure the people the want to donate NOW, would make the effort to get a money order, and mail it....I know I would.

I just need to know where??? Its NOT that complicated!!! I'll even reimburse Pryce or Tashia for 6mos of the p.o. box fee (small box, lol) (in addition to my donation)!!! Would that help????

No banner required, just my darn bigger p.m. box!!!

britt244
04-07-2008, 01:16 PM
And somehow there has been this mythology that has grown up that I was personally chest-beating about the gifts, bragging on the boards about what I sent out. None of this is true. I never posted anywhere what I was sending out, ever. It was a complete mystery. The recipients, who were anonymous until they received the boxes, posted on what they received, with pictures. All of them mentioned being "shocked," presumably because they didn't think I was going to actually do it based on their requests on the Elfster site. There was no warning. The only thing I posted was about the packaging I had bought and the number of boxes after they had been sent out, along with states so people could be on the lookout for FedEx and not have to traipse back to the holding facility to get them, which is a huge PIA in my area. That doesn't sound like chest-thumping to me, considering the sheer volume of what was going on behind the scenes, and the little trickle that was public, but if you consider it to be so, then I would be happy to consider changing that practice, assuming I ever participate again.

that is B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. saying how many boxes and where you were sending them is NOT keeping it a secret. it's NOT. it's putting it out there, same as you always do.

Pryce
04-07-2008, 01:21 PM
It's my opinion that you are making this more complicated for yourself than it really is. As i said there are so many services for accepting payments out there with simple methods of integration that yout could get set up in one night.I have done it,bridgette has done it, and i'm sure thousands of other Sw'ers have.
IMO there needs to be a stopgap system put in place even if you do have plans for bigger things that need more development.

Changes have already begun to be phased in behind the scenes. I know many people are quicker to action then myself, but I am cautious and plan before I step. I won't give a date - as then I'll only have to deal with threads around that should I miss it, but know that most of the changes requested here are about to see the light of day.

Bridgette
04-07-2008, 01:23 PM
I realize. I know we can all be unstable, but I think I am less prone to extremes. You asked my opinion.This from the one who disappears for months on end, for YEARS now. The one who took several MONTHS to credit people's Platinum memberships - not just "a bit too long". While I've spent ungodly hours here all this time, save for a few short periods of being offline. Yeah, *I'm* more prone to extremes. And excuse the fuck out of me but *I* wasn't the owner of the site with the responsibility of running it. Had I been responsible I obviously would've felt the need to not neglect it for months and years.

And before you mention that I refused to become a moderator way back when - that was years ago and my mind had changed since then but I felt you weren't interested.

Furthermore *I* was not the only one who would've been interested in helping with the site and their offers have been refused as well, save for moderation.

Your lack of response, extended absences and ignoring problems for years shows a significant lack of caring about the site and the community, which, combined with your refusal to relinquish any control or accept any help is exactly why we are in this smelly situation.

I am not sorry for saying one single thing here. It's been a long time coming and clearly I am far from the only one who feels this way. I resent the implication that just because I'm the first (or most blunt) in saying so all out in the open that I might be swaying others' opinions - for that perhaps you give me too much credit and not enough to those who just might be thinking for themselves but afraid to say anything until they see a vet member doing so.



GoodBYE.

pinkpvc
04-07-2008, 01:25 PM
Thats good to know pryce, looking forward to the changes (No sa\rcasm here just to make myself clear)
I guess its just different personalities: i like to get the basics up asap and then make improvements later, but i know some people like to ensure that they have the definitive version before getting it out there.

iambonbon05
04-07-2008, 01:26 PM
Pryce, not being around doesn't make you a bad person but if you can't, I think it's time to pass the torch to someone who can be around a lot more. Things change, hence we have a lot of people on this thread talking about the good old days which again I've seen happen over and over again on other forums. I've been here less than a year I think so I can't comment.

As for who would donate... well, I would but considering how so many things aren't working (no system for donations, no clubs and reviews, etc) I'd be afraid of my money going wasted.

I love this site and want to help but I think I'd keep my hard earned money to myself until I saw some changes start to happen. Not all of them would need money.

britt244
04-07-2008, 01:26 PM
hmm. well, i may be bashed (lets be honest - not may be, but probably will be) for saying this, but... how can you, pryce, choose mods personally? nothing against those youve recently made into moderators, but youre not here. you ignored a TON of people saying they'd love cameron as a mod, but then out of nowhere there are new purple names on our screens. that just doesnt make sense to me. how can you know who would or wouldnt be a good mod when you arent around (admittedly)? i cant imagine youre here often enough to tell.

All Good Things
04-07-2008, 01:31 PM
that is B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. saying how many boxes and where you were sending them is NOT keeping it a secret. it's NOT. it's putting it out there, same as you always do.

Britt, there is SO much that is not "out there." SO much. So it's not even close to something "I always do." :)

Anyway, like I said to B., if she considers that to be a form of "bragging," then it's something I can change.

I'm not participating in the gift exchanges anyway, but maybe any extra gifting must strictly be off the boards. I actually tried that in 5 cases, BTW, STRICTLY off the board, and it still became known. I really did try.

We learn and move forward, I guess...

kitana
04-07-2008, 01:32 PM
that is B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. saying how many boxes and where you were sending them is NOT keeping it a secret. it's NOT. it's putting it out there, same as you always do.

What's the big deal about it anyway?!

I know most girls would NEVER keep a secret if their reg or ANY custy got them something expensive or nice, or something they wanted.

How is wrong for him to get girls excited about the possibility of a gift?

I mean if everyone wanted something they could have asked correct?

It's no harder than me asking just like this: "TOO, if it's not too much trouble, I am having a horrible month with stress and hubby being gone, and I know you have said int he past that if a girls asks something of you, that you will try and give it to her. So I am asking if you if it's not too much trouble if you would be willing to get me a few Lush things like some youki-hi bombs flying fox gel, and some AOBS facial cleanser, and bubble bars, and bath melts and such? I am not expecting you too completly, but if you would it would totally make my day since bath time is about the only time I have anymore to de-stress and unwind from my life for an hour or so. Thanks hun!" ******Note, that was not a request, lol!*****

Seriously how hard would that have been for those people complaining?

I didn't ask for anything, nor am I complaining I didn't get anything. (Wait, I am pissy cause my bunny seems to have flaked on me, but other than that I wasn't complaining, lol!)

I don't see how half the things in this thread can be TOO's fault. It is NOT his fault that no one else is able to donate, it's not his fault girls are butthurt cause they didn't ask for or recieve a gift, it's not his fault for MANY things that he has been a martyr for people's problems.

Bridgette
04-07-2008, 01:34 PM
Britt, there is SO much that is not "out there." SO much.And how many times have you posted THAT??? Alluding to HOW MUCH you do that is "off the boards" is still putting it out there!!!!!!!