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LessPaul
04-10-2008, 02:28 PM
I apologize for the short answer, but I have just arrived home from a long trip and I am tired. But to answer a few specific questions and comments.

Yes, my choice of words was not the best. What I meant by "good customer" was not "preferable," or "better than average." By "good" I meant the opposite of "bad" -- a customer who does not cause problems, does not interfere with a dancer's ability to make good money, etc.

Area in which I live: In and about the Grand Rapids, Mid-Michigan area.

More specifically:
Bullwinkles - Near Grand Rapids MI
(No longer open - burned down some years ago)
Sensations - Grand Rapids MI
Parkway Tropics - Grand Rapids MI
Deja Vu - Lansing MI

How much I spend: I stay one to two hours, spending about $10 on cover charge, $20 per hour on dancer tips, and another $5 per hour to waitresses. There have been visits where I have tipped more than this, but never less.

I typically sit at the tipping rail if there is room. I usually come to a club in mid-afternoon or early evening, not for any other reason than that is when I have free time. Several times it has seemed that the dancers almost outnumber the customers.

I should manage a better reply tomorrow, but I do have to say I certainly did not expect such a lively discussion based on my posting.

Jenny
04-10-2008, 04:18 PM
Okay, I read this:

No offense, but I'm not interested. I've come to look at the pretty ladies, and perhaps talk a little bit if it is a slow night.
and it gives me an idea of what kind of customer you are.
First: keep in mind that dancers make money from doing dances and nobody thinks "I'm going to get a job as a stripper in order to provide guys with free eyecandy". Guys who don't buy dances are trying to get something for free that is meant to cost money and essentially depending on other guys to subsidize their stripclub experience. I get that lapdances are expensive, but there is another, and not entirely inaccurate way of looking at it.
Second the "talk a little when it is slow" speaks quite a lot to me. It says that you, in fact, are not just looking for free or at least heavily subsidized eyecandy. You are looking for actual interaction and just trying to organize it in a way that you can effectively devalue it (oh, well, it's slow, she might as well talk to me as do anything else).

The only managers who don't care about stage tipping and dances are the morons. Granted, that is many of them, but still. Managers get that lack of money makes for a) surly dancers b) fewer dancers and c) dancers dying of exposure and starvation when they can't make their rent. A strip club pretty much requires strippers.

Skywalker
04-10-2008, 04:47 PM
As is often the case, I am learning something here. I always thought that dancers and club management were happy to have warm bodies in the seats spending money and not causing trouble. Instead, based upon most replies here, the Private Dance is the ONLY moneymaker and the ONLY reason for dancers to be in this field. Pardon me, but I have seen certain dancers, who are REALLY into it and seemingly having a good time, clean UP onstage. Sure, some get a few bucks here and there, and for THOSE dancers, I can see the private as their main source of income. However, I have seen MANY dancers who take five minutes after their set is done collecting 50-100 bucks. This isn't chump change.

SundayMorning
04-10-2008, 04:49 PM
^That depends VERY largely on region. Many clubs in certain areas of the country and other countries don't have a large/emphasized lapdance section. The stage is the majority of the dancers' performance and the tips are by nature expected to be larger as a result. My club in my region, I've gone through many sets on stage without making a single dollar and then proceeded to do lapdances for the rest of the night non-stop.

Skywalker
04-10-2008, 04:49 PM
Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go. Perhaps the unreasonable expectations are the reason. Lots of guys spending $20-50 and hour is much more lucrative than three or four guys being hit on by all the women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.

SundayMorning
04-10-2008, 04:52 PM
^Sort of but not quite. Unless the "lots of guys" require NO conversation prior to accepting a dance, they are very likely not worth the time. 5 guys buying 1 dance is NOT as lucrative as 1 guy buying 5 dances, if you have to spend 5-10+ minutes chatting up each of those guys. Not to mention bringing them over to the LP section, not to mention collecting the payment on each dance. It's just better time management to spend our resources on the one big spender.

Jenny
04-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go. Perhaps the unreasonable expectations are the reason. Lots of guys spending $20-50 and hour is much more lucrative than three or four guys being hit on by all the women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.
I don't really understand what you are getting at here. Are you informing us how dancers make their money? We are aware of how we make money. There are relatively few clubs in which the stage is a significant source of revenue. It is very safe to say that dancers make their money selling dances.

yoda57us
04-10-2008, 06:04 PM
We are aware of how we make money. There are relatively few clubs in which the stage is a significant source of revenue. It is very safe to say that dancers make their money selling dances.

Very true and this is part of the problem. I am old enough to remember when PD's didn't exist and earning a living as a stripper was ALL about stage money. LOL, of course, I remember when dancers got shift pay as well...

It's obviously quite a different situation now and I fully understand why none of the ladies here who are trying to make a living would get all worked up over a buck or two at the stage but no dances purchased. Oh well, that sucks but there are always going to be guys like Less who come to the club to have their version of a good time. Strip clubs exist for both customers and dancers.
Interestingly, I do frequent one club where PD's though offered, are so restrictive and expensive that they are a negligible part of a dancers income on a per shift basis. The attitude of the ladies in this particular club towards the one or two dollar stage tip is significantly more appreciative than what I witness in other clubs. I like LD's so I don't go in there often but the difference in attitude is palpable every time that I do.

The bottom line here Less is that, for most dancers, you will not be a "good" customer by spending the way you spend. Should this worry you? Not one little bit.

(BTW, I've got two, a black beauty and a cherry sunburst....)

Casual Observer
04-10-2008, 06:12 PM
The bottom line here Less is that, for most dancers, you will not be a "good" customer by spending the way you spend. Should this worry you? Not one little bit.

Well, maybe he shouldn't worry, but he also shouldn't expect to actually enjoy SCs very much.

When I go, I go loaded for bear. It just seems completely counter-intuitive to do otherwise.

TheSexKitten
04-10-2008, 07:27 PM
Everyone has a budget. As long as you're nice, respectful, and up front about not wanting dances when ladies talk to you then I personally wouldn't mind you in my club. Plus you tip the stage, so wtfever. No one is OBLIGED to buy dances!

Just please don't sit there perving out for several hours giving a single dollar to each girl. That's kind of pathetic.

Skywalker
04-10-2008, 08:15 PM
I don't really understand what you are getting at here. Are you informing us how dancers make their money? We are aware of how we make money. There are relatively few clubs in which the stage is a significant source of revenue. It is very safe to say that dancers make their money selling dances

Of course dancers know how they make their money, and this occasional stripclub attendee has only minimal peripheral knowledge. However, you're accepting the current trend as The Way it Is. In the club I go to, there are so few guys there...usually less than ten customers in the whole place (used to be 30-50 at the least), you HAVE to hustle for private dances, and I can totally see that's where the money is made. I'm saying that if the club INSTEAD had fifty customers all spending $30-40 bucks an hour, THAT is more lucrative for the dancers than trying to beat each other out for a private (or two or three). When I see five or six guys being hustled by dancers who outnumber them, and only a couple of these are buying lots of privates, I can't help but think it would be better for the dancers and the club if they had more, cheaper customers.

alabasterwing
04-10-2008, 08:25 PM
...women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.

Ah - therein lies the rub. Why do men who aren't spending money need to refer to those spending 100s/1000s as suckers? A man goes to a SC to be entertained, the entertainment costs money, he pays, girls make money, he's happy, girls are happy. Calling him a sucker implies that he is somehow being taken advantage of - being conned. All the men I've seen in SCs sure as hell seem aware & capable of making their own decisions, big boys that they are. In fact, many have tried to take advantage themselves...

Skywalker
04-10-2008, 08:36 PM
If the guys spending 100s/1000s are making six-figure incomes, it's win/win for both sides.

alabasterwing
04-10-2008, 08:38 PM
Thank you. I was just to tired and lazy...::)

I 'aims' to please. ;)

RoseLeigh
04-10-2008, 09:31 PM
Regarding sitting at the tip rail, RoseLeigh wrote "as long as you are tipping every girl and not doing that ' hand wave' thing" -- Yes, I tip every girl, and since I have no idea what the "hand wave" thing is, I doubt I do it. I sit there quietly, and put my tip (folded once lengthwise) on the stage for dancer.



Jeez, this blew up when I wasn't looking. The hand wave is when you go up for your tip at the rail, (or over to some guy to offer a dance) and he waves you away with a limp disinterested hand, usually with averted eyes. Most annoying thing ever. I swear.

Jenny
04-10-2008, 11:49 PM
Of course dancers know how they make their money, and this occasional stripclub attendee has only minimal peripheral knowledge. However, you're accepting the current trend as The Way it Is. In the club I go to, there are so few guys there...usually less than ten customers in the whole place (used to be 30-50 at the least), you HAVE to hustle for private dances, and I can totally see that's where the money is made. I'm saying that if the club INSTEAD had fifty customers all spending $30-40 bucks an hour, THAT is more lucrative for the dancers than trying to beat each other out for a private (or two or three). When I see five or six guys being hustled by dancers who outnumber them, and only a couple of these are buying lots of privates, I can't help but think it would be better for the dancers and the club if they had more, cheaper customers.
Um. Sure. If you had 50 customers every hour spending $50 each on 25 dancers you would have dancers making $100 per hour. However you would also wind up with say 40 customer after two hours thinking that they could have just gotten 5 lapdances rather than forking out a $1 every 1 minute and 5 seconds.

Honestly, after reading here and the blue side - I don't think the entitlement issue is on the dancers side. I think the entitlement issue is with the customers.

youngBUTbanking
04-10-2008, 11:57 PM
Pan Dah - That is def. pretty dick..

I've seen a number of times where guys just sit at the rail and stare with their drink...I don't quite understand that one...

The SC I go to has basically a route for the dancers where they dance on stage...then they go to the one bar which is on one side and they dance on top of that bar...Then they go to the main bar and dance on that bar...Basically they are trying to make sure everyone is tipping including the ones that think they can sit at the bar and not tip while watching from 5-10 feet away....

Pretty good plan if ya ask me...

yoda57us
04-11-2008, 04:22 AM
Well, maybe he shouldn't worry, but he also shouldn't expect to actually enjoy SCs very much.

When I go, I go loaded for bear. It just seems completely counter-intuitive to do otherwise.

Oh, I agree completely. I don't see the guy changing his MO however and I DO see plenty of guys like him. Honestly, ten years ago when I walked into my first full contact LD club and saw that girls wanted TWENTY BUCKS (!!!) for a three minute song I laughed to myself and decided I would NEVER spend that kind of money in a strip club. It only took one dance for me to change my mind!


Less shouldn't worry so long as being "called out" by a dancer for being cheap wouldn't embarass him. And I know for a fact he'd be running the risk of that happening at DJV Lansing.

Well, being called out here on the board is what I am talking about. I think any guy has to expect that here. As far as inside the club goes, unless a customer intentionally lies to a dancer about spending money on her there is no reason for a "calling out" of any sort. Every dancer knows that not every guy is a spender. There is no reason to do anything but walk away quietly if you are politely turned down for a dance.

bem401
04-11-2008, 05:26 AM
Nope. Soda. Unlimited refills. $10. At least, that is what I've seen from my experience. The club will also offer things like Red Bull or those chilled Starbucks energy shots for $4 or $5, but most stick to the soda.

ETA: In those clubs, you can quite literally spend $10, plus cover, and not a cent more. Those clubs DO care about selling dances, because they generally take a cut.

Well, now your point makes sense and I see these clubs operate differently than the clubs I visit. ( Doc- I've never even heard of Deja Vu ). Around here you pay $5 for a water, nearly $10 for most mixed drinks, so that's where the club really makes its money. They don't rely so heavily on selling dances. Some clubs don't even get a PD fee. For the girls, private dances are what its all about. In fact when I used to do a lot of dances with different girls, they would all time their dances with me to get off stage sets, which they view as a penance of sorts.

My point regarding the way are customers are viewed ( as I read the dancers I know) is as follows:

They like ( tolerate may be a better word ) their customers, are indifferent to other girls customers, and dislike the customers who don't spend any money. That sums it up better.

RoseLeigh
04-11-2008, 06:07 AM
If we're going for most annoying, I saw a great variation on this a few years ago:

Two guys were sitting talking at the stage (while still staring at the nude dancer of course). The dancer went over in front of one of them and did a little tip dance move; the guy practically flipped his chair leaning back and holding up his hands while shouting "Go away! I'm married!". ::)

Hahahaha. Nice. I believe as long as the dancer is more than 2 feet away, all marriages are safe. ;)

SPLUT
04-11-2008, 07:26 AM
Less Paul, you are in the most fucked up place in Michigan - No titty city - AKA Grand Rapids. If you are traveling to Lansing don't go to the Vue. Stop supporting the McDonaldization of strip clubs. Hit Omar or Cheetahs. Of course everything I know of strip clubs outside of Detorit comes from Twosheds.

To be a good customer you need to go less and tip more....and get a lap dance for Pete's sake.

LessPaul
04-11-2008, 08:40 AM
If nothing else this has been a very interesting thread.

Those who have responded have been blunt, and I will assume this same right.

A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.

Based on my personal preferences, and what I have read here, I am far less likely to go to a SC in the future. (I'll wait for the cheers to die down before I continue.....)

If I choose to go again, I will sit only at the tip rail, a give a single $5 tip per act, rather than several $1 tips. I see this as being more polite. Again, this is my choice.

Even if the wind is blowing tumbleweeds through an empty club, I will not fool myself into thinking a dancer simply wants to talk to another human being. Everything in the club should be viewed as cash transaction. There are dolls and wallets, and rarely much else. This is not to say there are not fascinating people in the club, but that a SC is solely a place of fantasy and imagination. I have been educated.

As I fade into the sunset I wish you all a profitable future, few customers like myself, and a good life. Take care... LessPaul

Jenny
04-11-2008, 09:01 AM
If nothing else this has been a very interesting thread.

Those who have responded have been blunt, and I will assume this same right.

A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.
Just declaring this doesn't make it true. Like I said above - it just means that you expect something for free that is intended to be paid for. And you think you are justified in that because there is no sign at the door citing a minimum number of lapdances. Around hereabouts several of the theatres have pay what you can on Sundays. Technically I can go in and pay fifty cents - but I know perfectly well that isn't really what they mean.

And we should understand from this... that you weren't really asking a question at all, but rather you were looking for a platform to tell us that we have no right to expect to be paid for working, and that you don't have to pay for a service you are seeking out and enjoying? It's interesting to me that people will say that we're the ones with the entitlement problem.

yoda57us
04-11-2008, 10:04 AM
A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.



Well, not really dude, if you honestly believe this you should probably just stay home. As I said earlier I understand why "no dance guys" exist but assuming that you are not expected to tip a woman who is dancing naked in front of you is a bit foolish.

SPLUT
04-11-2008, 10:41 AM
You are wise Yoda, but I don't think the young Padwan is listening.

alabasterwing
04-11-2008, 10:41 AM
Everything in the club should be viewed as cash transaction. There are dolls and wallets, and rarely much else. This is not to say there are not fascinating people in the club, but that a SC is solely a place of fantasy and imagination. I have been educated.

I'm really at a loss as to what else you could possibly have thought the situation was and why...?

LessPaul
04-11-2008, 11:08 AM
Well, not really dude, if you honestly believe this you should probably just stay home. As I said earlier I understand why "no dance guys" exist but assuming that you are not expected to tip a woman who is dancing naked in front of you is a bit foolish.

I neither said that tips are not expected, nor did I say I would not tip a dancer. In fact, I said more than once that I have always tipped every dancer.

The intent, starting from my very first post, was and is to ask how, if at all, a 20-dollar-an-hour guy like myself can go to a club and not interfere with a dancer's income ability.

The answers have lean heavily in favor of "You can't. The two are incompatible." I appreciate these open and honest answers. I have been told my business, as it may, is more a burden than anything else. As such I will follow the advice given and stay away. This is without any hurt pride or bruised ego -- I asked an honest question, and received honest replies. To read anything more into it is a false assumption.

TheSexKitten
04-11-2008, 11:25 AM
You're looking at only the negative posts. As a non-diva, non-bitchy type of dancer I would welcome you to come and relax for an hour or so, tipping each girl stageside and politely turning down dances quickly as girls approached. Hey, I might even stop by and chat for a quick minute if I saw you come in enough. But that's just me, and I know I still make money.

xdamage
04-11-2008, 01:52 PM
Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go.

Could be a reflection of the economy.

Could be customers are going through a downward wave of interest in SCs.

Could be there are too many SCs competing for available business.

Could be customers are becoming increasingly numb, perhaps due to the availability of tons of free porn on the internet.

Could be too many customers are having bad experiences in SCs and so feel less interested in coming back.

Other factors?

Some combinations of the above.

youngBUTbanking
04-11-2008, 02:14 PM
^ True story on the Economy sucking the big one right now...

doc-catfish
04-11-2008, 02:30 PM
A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.
Unless the club has some otherwise stated policy, you are correct Less. The thing is, you have to understand what will come about if too many customers come in and take the "preference" to do nothing more than what they are obliged to do.

The girls do not make anything off that door cover or drink money, and in most cases are paying the club a fee to work there not to mention have to tip out the DJ, bouncers, etc. Therefore, they have to have an expectation of making so much money in order to justify those expenses and the stresses the job entails. If a dancer is walking out at the end of the night with McDonalds wages, or worse yet is going in the hole, she might as well go work at McDonalds.

This is exactly what has happened at my home club over the past couple years. Whereas they used to run 20 dancers on a weeknight, they are now only running 8-10. And the ones that left were by and large the better girls. I suspect the major reason for their departure is that there is no money anymore.


Based on my personal preferences, and what I have read here, I am far less likely to go to a SC in the future. (I'll wait for the cheers to die down before I continue.....)

If I choose to go again, I will sit only at the tip rail, a give a single $5 tip per act, rather than several $1 tips. I see this as being more polite. Again, this is my choice.
Ultimately, at the end of the day, the opinions of people on a stripper message board aren't as important as the opinions of dancers you actually deal with. The $20/hour figure you stated would be sufficient in most clubs around here for someone on an eye candy trip (and is still more than what most "don't buy dances" customers are probably doing), but you're not going to win any gal's seal of approval with it.

Do what you want, but on the budget you're bringing, I personally wouldn't bother, or would go half as often and spend twice as much when I do, figuring I'd cut my door cover, drink, and gas expenses in half that way. In my case, that would mean an extra $25 for the ladies.

All Good Things
04-11-2008, 08:09 PM
A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference.

Why you would go to an SC and think in terms of "minimum responsibility" just completely baffles me. SCs are a form of high-end entertainment, a luxury purchase, a champagne-and-strawberries version of a regular bar. It's not about trying to track down the cheapest burger and fries.

The scenario of cover + drink minimum is the precise case with a regular dance club, not an SC. You know, those special places where young, scantily-clad co-eds are sitting on your lap with their arms around you, pretending to like you; girls are dancing nude or semi-nude on stage and, in most cases, the club offers a range of LD options, private rooms or CRs.

The club is a fantasy world. That fantasy is created and maintained by the dancers. The only money the dancers make is the money you give them. All this seems obvious, but the part you seem to be missing is that you've not quite paid full price for the fantasy part, the continuing stage shows or the general atmosphere. You're going into a SC with the same spending philosophy you use in a regular dance club. Plus about, uh, $25 I think, and are sitting around talking to dancers when they are idle.

First, I'll point out that you are missing a huge opportunity to be better entertained, even without LDs. Budgets are good things, but consider accumulating a larger one before your next visit, tipping more generously for conversation, and work on $5 stage tipping. Some of the best times I've ever had in SCs have been in non-lap clubs, so I know this is possible.

I would also suggest that you try a different approach to avoiding dance pitches if you truly will never buy one. If you enjoy sitting and talking to a dancer, go ahead and do that, but keep tipping her for her time -- I usually do this in $20s, you can choose your denomination (not $1s please) -- and her very presence will create a shield around you and keep other girls from approaching. You can spread some money around by changing your conversation partner.

Once you move up a bit on the food chain, I think you will see that you are treated much differently. The title of your thread is not, "How can I spend the least in a club," it's "How can I be a good customer." I hope I've given you some ideas on how to do that and still remain within a sensible budget.

UtahMike
04-11-2008, 11:35 PM
That's a nice sentiment, but what if it's not a pleasure to look at her?
Then she is going to get a smaller tip from me. The dancer I tip a lot is the one I want to have sell me a lengthy series of lap dances. I only move to the stage when the dancer I admire the most that night is performing. Otherwise, I sit at a table in the middle of the club, go up to the stage to leave a tip, and go back.


Also...my experience has been that stripclubs have less and less guys in the seats every time I go. Perhaps the unreasonable expectations are the reason. Lots of guys spending $20-50 and hour is much more lucrative than three or four guys being hit on by all the women hoping to find a sucker to spend hundreds or thousands on them.
Dude, it's because there is a recession going on and most of us have less disposable cash to spend on luxuries, not because of unreasonable expectations. Most guys who don't hang out on SW have no idea what the expectations of the dancers might be, and don't care either.

bem401
04-12-2008, 07:01 AM
The intent, starting from my very first post, was and is to ask how, if at all, a 20-dollar-an-hour guy like myself can go to a club and not interfere with a dancer's income ability.

Just don't waste her time. If you sit by the stage and watch her show, she should reasonably expect to be tipped. If you invite her to sit with you, you owe her a drink at the very least and if you keep her there for several minutes, you probably owe her a dance or the money equivalent of one unless you've made it clear from the start you weren't interested in one and she decided to stay nonetheless.

yoda57us
04-12-2008, 06:46 PM
You may think there is "no reason" for "calling out" a customer, but that doesn't mean dancers don't or won't do it in certain clubs. I know the DJV Lansing girls. I've worked with them before.

Well sure, people do things all the time that there is no reason for. As far as I'm concerned geographic location is no excuse to be rude.

Casual Observer
04-13-2008, 09:10 AM
I don't see the guy changing his MO however and I DO see plenty of guys like him.

Oh, no doubt, but these are guys that should just save everyone the hassle by staying home cranking batches to internet porn.


Once you move up a bit on the food chain, I think you will see that you are treated much differently.

I agree. Once you've demonstrated that you respect them by not wasting their time (they're there to pay the mortgage, dude), you'll find you're treated much better.

yoda57us
04-13-2008, 09:55 AM
Just don't waste her time. If you sit by the stage and watch her show, she should reasonably expect to be tipped. If you invite her to sit with you, you owe her a drink at the very least and if you keep her there for several minutes, you probably owe her a dance or the money equivalent of one unless you've made it clear from the start you weren't interested in one and she decided to stay nonetheless.

So, in a strip club, why would you ask a dancer to sit with you while making it clear that you have no intention of buying a dance? Seems like the titty bar equivalent of Hari Kare to me...

In over 20 years of clubbing I can't remember a single time when, after telling a dancer up front that I had no intention of spending any money on her, she sat down and talked to me anyway...

Jenny
04-13-2008, 09:58 AM
^^^
Um, yeah. If you invite her to sit with you, you owe her the dance. The drink will do only if she works on a drink commission.

yoda57us
04-13-2008, 11:16 AM
Uh, I never said that it was. Less listed DJV Lansing as one of the clubs he frequents. At that club, he's running the risk of being called cheap. To his face. Rude or not, that's just how some of those girls are. End of story

Um, and I never said that you said that it was. I read your post, assumed that it was true, since you know the club, and merely stated my opinion on dancers who act in a certain way. No matter how many times you tell me that's just the way it is I am still not going to say that it's OK.

UtahMike
04-17-2008, 10:04 PM
I think LessPaul either learned what he wanted to learn or didn't like what he was told and is no longer with us. Notice he hasn't posted in a week?

Dottie Rebel
04-19-2008, 08:17 PM
My second favorite thing to hear from a customer (next to "Please, have all of this money here.") is "I don't get dances." Saves me heaps and heaps of time.

While I abhor the guys who come in for overpriced drinks and expect to oogle the women for the price of their cover and maybe $20 in tips over the course of a night, I truly appreciate it when they are least honest and forthright about their intentions.

And I couldn't agree more with TOO. The strip club is a luxury environment, period. The ecomony is bad? Your job doesn't pay much? Had a recent spell of bad luck? It's not the place for you (unless of course you want to go into debt on a credit card, which I would not recommend).

mina loy
04-20-2008, 03:20 PM
i suggest to the guys who just want to see pretty ladies and not get dances to go to a peep show club where they can look and have no interaction.

LessPaul
04-24-2008, 11:43 AM
I think LessPaul either learned what he wanted to learn or didn't like what he was told and is no longer with us. Notice he hasn't posted in a week?

He learned what he wanted to learn.

I don't see how I could not like what I was told, as I received exactly what I asked for: honest opinions.

peanutbutter007
04-24-2008, 07:24 PM
Give us a break...you title this thread "how can I be a good customer" and clearly from your post you know what it takes but are refusing to do so. That's an insult, don't come here to get your ego stroked, visit a therapist instead and pay them.

poolmaninSATX
04-25-2008, 05:33 AM
please rename post "how can I be cheap in a strip club?" or " I ain't got no money, but i do have a five year plan"

LessPaul
04-25-2008, 07:48 AM
As far as the title of this thread, I will agree is was very poorly worded. It should have been along the lines of "How can I be the least bothersome" as clearly I will never be a "good customer."

What have I learned here? I was being too frugal/cheap/"much of an asshole" (depending on your view). Tips that might have been OK years ago are laughable now. Yes, I have been listening.

I like talking to people. No preference towards nor bias against dancers. However I have learned here that a club is not the place for idle chat. I appreciate and respect this -- and agree it was thick of me to not realize this in the first place.

The personal attacks have been especially interesting, and I'm not certain what the motivations might be, but they have been interesting.

Jenny
04-25-2008, 08:13 AM
The personal attacks have been especially interesting, and I'm not certain what the motivations might be, but they have been interesting.
Well; it can hardly surprise you that guys who come in to let other guys subsidize their good time will be resented here. Guys who say things like "I don't have to buy dances; I'll do what I want" ("A customer has no responsibility to a club or to the dancers beyond the cover charge and the drink minimum, the rest is all personal preference") will obviously be resented here. A guy who seeks out free conversation in a strip club and tries to excuse it by saying "oh, well, it was slow, so she wasn't doing anything else, so obviously she is no longer working" ("Even if the wind is blowing tumbleweeds through an empty club, I will not fool myself into thinking a dancer simply wants to talk to another human being") will be resented here. A guy who who derides dancers for acknowledging and expecting acknowledgment that we are at work and not play will be resented here ("There are dolls and wallets, and rarely much else").

I actually think the ladies were pretty restrained.

So. I hope that clears up whatever "motivations" you were confused about. Or did you think that you were so subtle that nobody could possibly pick up on your meaning? I mean, we're strippers, but we're demonstrably literate.

bem401
04-26-2008, 08:38 AM
So, in a strip club, why would you ask a dancer to sit with you while making it clear that you have no intention of buying a dance? Seems like the titty bar equivalent of Hari Kare to me...

In over 20 years of clubbing I can't remember a single time when, after telling a dancer up front that I had no intention of spending any money on her, she sat down and talked to me anyway...

Just because I am not interested in a dance from a particular girl doesn't mean I'm opposed to talking to her or buying her a drink while I'm waiting. And I've never asked anyone to sit with me, but I've told them they are welcome to on occasion. The choice is theirs. I'm good either way.

hot4ablackchick
04-28-2008, 12:51 AM
I wouldn't say you're the worst customer, but definetely not a good customer. Its good that you don't take time from the dancers and are honest about not wanting dances, but just doing the bare minimum is unacceptable. If you are sitting at the rail you are suppossed to be tipping, so you are not really doing anything extra. I would rather have no as in 0 customers than that 1 or handful of guys who are just gonna stage tip. Unless they are tipping generously, it is more of a nuisance and a false sense of the illusion of having a chance of making money. I don't need that couple of bucks that badly. I would rather sit in back doing my homework. At my club we have to go onstage if even one guy comes through the door, tipping or not. Of course tipping something is better than nothing, but that doesn't make the bare minimum acceptable. I would not advise my children to do the bare minimum when doing their schoolwork, as I don't think anyone would advise or support doing the minimum of anything. I personally don't see why you would go to a restaurant if you weren't going to buy a meal.

And we do enjoy interacting with other human beings when its slow, the other dancers and coworkers at the club.

SometimeVoyager
04-29-2008, 05:24 AM
Well LessPaul, as you can see there's no consensus. Some dancers are fine with you enjoying the stage show as long as you are tipping, and others think you are just a waste of breathable air. What you need to understand is that it really doesn't matter what they think.

If I go into a restaurant I have no obligation to my waiter or the management to order a seven-course meal and three bottles of wine. Maybe I'm just hungry for a salad and iced tea. What I want and how much I spend is my decision, not theirs.

No matter what any dancer tells you she is only interested in one thing, and that is how much $money$ she can get out of you. Once she's done that she'll disappear faster than a cockroach when the lights come on. She doesn't care what your name is, what kind of work you do, have you been here before... any more than you are interested in her canned conversation about how long she's been dancing here, slow night huh, I just broke up with my boyfriend, I'm dancing my way through college so someday I can be your kid's school teacher or cure cancer...

Go to whatever club you like, behave yourself, and be prepared to pay for what you get and get what you pay for. If you leave it up to the girls they'll take your house and your car in one night. That's their job, and you would do well to know the rules going in. I'm sure this response will make me very unpopular, but we patrons might as well be as honest and candid as the dancers.