View Full Version : Haha I scared away customers with my "prejudiced" hate rants!
MsQwerty
04-07-2008, 05:39 PM
Aside from the OP being rude, insensitive to many people and rather stupid because history shows that killing large groups of people rarely actually solved anything and certainly never did much for the bigger picture / grander scheme of things; I find it a bit bizarre that someone would proudly announce something that seems to boil down to "I have a great and funny idea. I think we should kill lots and lots of people!" What is this, stripper web or Idi Amin.com? ;D
BrunetteGoddess
04-07-2008, 05:39 PM
@ oodamnbaby
He's been logged off for a while now, let's let it go.
Miss_Luscious
04-07-2008, 06:01 PM
What's going on? Confusion that's what.
I was feeling kinda "blah" today but this thread and all the zany-ness contained within made me laugh. Thanks you crazy broads!
BalletBaby
04-07-2008, 06:15 PM
http://uncledirtae.com/blog/images/bunny.jpg
hockeybobby
04-07-2008, 06:26 PM
^^^best thing posted in this thread today.;D
DJ Machismo
04-07-2008, 06:48 PM
^^^best thing posted in this thread today.;D
Seconded!
bellasera
04-07-2008, 07:13 PM
Yeah I confused. Is Philly a man? Why is her ribbon blue.
RandomUser
04-07-2008, 07:14 PM
Cathartic
RoseLeigh
04-07-2008, 07:31 PM
You can piss her off being kind too.
So true. There's nothing right you can say. :-\
Paris
04-07-2008, 08:54 PM
My best friend is an addict. She is a very good person that is helping others get clean.
We are all human and we all make mistakes. No one is perfect.
Try eliminating the word "hate" from your vocabulary. It is amazing how much energy it takes to be angry all the time. It makes a person old before their time.
Any energy put forth on hatred only hurts the person that is feeling that hatred. All that negative emotion means nothing to the object of that emotion. In other words, you are only harming yourself by perpetuating this negative energy.
Lysondra
04-07-2008, 09:13 PM
WTF alcoholism and drug addiction are diseases?
I was a drug addict AND had cancer... and I chose the former but not the latter.
Blaming addiction as being something you cannot control just causes you to continue to do it because you're not blaming yourself.
You can't learn anything if you don't first accept you did something wrong.
Andygirl
04-07-2008, 09:47 PM
WTF alcoholism and drug addiction are diseases?
Yes, addiction is a disease. It is recognized as such by scientists, researchers, and medical professionals. Your anecdotal observations and impressions you have about drug addictions are false. Science doesn't revolve around anecdotal evidence. They have many ways of studying that we do not often hear about. But yes, addiction is a disease. You wouldn't say that schizophrenia is anything but a disease. But years ago, mental illness was absolutely NOT considered a disease. Now that we have years of experiments, interviews, and scientific experiements done on patients, we know that mental illness is most definitely a disease, and most of the time it is more than just that.
http://www.nida.nih.gov/Published_Articles/Oops.html
The fact is, drug addiction is a brain disease. While every type of drug of abuse has its own individual "trigger" for affecting or transforming the brain, many of the results of the transformation are strikingly similar regardless of the addictive drug that is used -- and of course in each instance the result is compulsive use. The brain changes range from fundamental and long-lasting changes in the biochemical makeup of the brain, to mood changes, to changes in memory processes and motor skills. And these changes have a tremendous impact on all aspects of a person's behavior. In fact, in addiction the drug becomes the single most powerful motivator in the life of the drug user. He will do virtually anything for the drug.
While we haven't yet pinpointed precisely all the triggers for the changes in the brain's structure and function that culminate in the "oops" phenomenon, a vast body of hard evidence shows that it is virtually inevitable that prolonged drug use will lead to addiction. From this we can soundly conclude that drug addiction is indeed a brain disease.
I realize that this flies in the face of the notion that drug addiction boils down to a serious character flaw -- that those addicted to drugs are just too weak-willed to quit drug use on their own. But the moral weakness notion itself flies in the face of all scientific evidence, and so it should be discarded.
It should be stressed, however, that to assert that drug addiction is a brain disease is by no means the same thing as saying that those addicted to drugs are not accountable for their actions, or that they are just unwitting, hapless victims of the harmful effects that use of addictive drugs has on their brains, and in every facet of their lives.
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1891
"The addicted brain is distinctly different from the nonaddicted brain, as manifested by changes in brain metabolic activity, receptor availability, gene expression, and responsiveness to environmental cues."
http://www.sosdallas.com/addiction.htm
The American Medical Association has given formal recognition to the disease concept since 1956. Their recognizing alcoholism and other drug addiction as an illness implies several things:
1. The illness can be described.
2. The course of the illness is predictable and progressive.
3. The disease is primary – that is, it is not just a symptom of some other underlying disorder.
4. It is permanent.
5. It is terminal. If left untreated, it results in insanity or premature death.
I could sit here and fill pages and pages on how addiction has been considered a disease for quite a while. The addict needs help, not judgment. And Lysondra, you of all people should have empathy for the still suffering addict. It is fucking wondeful that you got away from your crystal meth addiction, but for a lot of people it is a lifelong ordeal.
jester214
04-07-2008, 09:51 PM
Maybe it is a disease, but it's a disease that in most cases you chose to have. It's also one that you can choose to quit. Which makes it slightly different than brain tumors or MS.
Lysondra
04-07-2008, 09:53 PM
Maybe it is a disease, but it's a disease that in most cases you chose to have. It's also one that you can choose to quit. Which makes it slightly different than brain tumors or MS.
Yes. That's my opinon. Like I said I had cancer as well... and I chose to quit meth and I couldn't exactly do that with the cancer that left me forever barren.
RoseWhite
04-07-2008, 09:56 PM
Maybe it is a disease, but it's a disease that in most cases you chose to have. It's also one that you can choose to quit. Which makes it slightly different than brain tumors or MS.
If you develop lung cancer after years of smoking, is it any less a disease? There are plenty of similar analogies in that vein. I won't belabor the point.
Mitch Hedberg hit the nail on the head with the real distinction. “Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having. Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic. Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupus... one of those two doesn't sound right.”
Thanks for posting that info, Andygirl.
Paris
04-07-2008, 10:01 PM
WTF alcoholism and drug addiction are diseases?
I was a drug addict AND had cancer... and I chose the former but not the latter.
Blaming addiction as being something you cannot control just causes you to continue to do it because you're not blaming yourself.
You can't learn anything if you don't first accept you did something wrong.
I think it is considered a mental disorder. Like depression or bi-polar. No one chooses it.
Lysondra
04-07-2008, 10:01 PM
If you develop lung cancer after years of smoking, is it any less a disease? There are plenty of similar analogies in that vein. I won't belabor the point.
Mitch Hedberg hit the nail on the head with the real distinction. “Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only one you can get yelled at for having. Goddamn it Otto, you are an alcoholic. Goddamn it Otto, you have Lupus... one of those two doesn't sound right.”
Thanks for posting that info, Andygirl.
In my obviously unpopular opinion...the cancer would be the disease, the years of smoking would not be.
Lysondra
04-07-2008, 10:02 PM
I think it is considered a mental disorder. Like depression or bi-polar. No one chooses it.
I don't get that. Nobody forced the meth up my nose but me. I chose to take it. I could've said no. I get the 'mental disorder' bit fully.. but not the choice part.
RoseWhite
04-07-2008, 10:03 PM
(Just to be clear, I don't at all mean to make light of what is truly a tragic injustice, Lysondra.)
Darcy Foxx
04-07-2008, 10:06 PM
i think if it were simply as easy as saying, "i choose not to be an addict anymore", it'd be much less of a severe problem in society.
it may not be a disease like cancer, but it is a disease none-the-less.
Lysondra
04-07-2008, 10:07 PM
(Just to be clear, I don't at all mean to make light of what is truly a tragic injustice, Lysondra.)
No no, I understand and am trying to see things from your side of the argument, don't worry. I'm just shedding some light on my side as well. I've had both and don't consider it a disease. I personally feel that if you blame your addiction on anyone but yourself, you can't get over it. Placing blame on the outside pushes guilt away from yourself, making it easier to blame someone else when you do it again...and again..and again... because you didn't do it, the disease did.
Lysondra
04-07-2008, 10:08 PM
i think if it were simply as easy as saying, "i choose not to be an addict anymore", it'd be much less of a severe problem in society.
it may not be a disease like cancer, but it is a disease none-the-less.
Mmm, I wasn't trying to say it was easy to quit just like that. But I see your point.
virgoamm
04-07-2008, 10:12 PM
In my obviously unpopular opinion...
Just wanted to let you know you're not the only one who feels that way. I had a huge drug problem myself and I don't see myself as diseased, regardless of what the science may say. I think there are some people that are more prone to addiction than others, i.e, addictive personalities. Differences in brain chemistry that are purely genetic in nature.
ETA: I feel this way too. That's how I overcame my addiction, aside from getting in trouble for it-which, when it comes down to it, made me realize what 'I' was doing to myself.
I personally feel that if you blame your addiction on anyone but yourself, you can't get over it. Placing blame on the outside pushes guilt away from yourself, making it easier to blame someone else when you do it again...and again..and again... because you didn't do it, the disease did.
Sophia_Ashley
04-07-2008, 10:15 PM
Maybe it is a disease, but it's a disease that in most cases you chose to have. It's also one that you can choose to quit. Which makes it slightly different than brain tumors or MS.
As an addict and no longer a user (been clean 6 years) I completely 100% agree. And that's not me on my high horse (no pun intended but I did make a funny) I chose to try drugs, I chose to escape from reality. I chose the life I led for awhile, then the drugs just guided the path till one day I said..WHAT THE FUCK. Then I CHOSE to scoop myself up, detox alone and get right with myself.
Awesome we can do that with substance abuse problems, sadly we cannot do this with Cancer or HIV.
I've always been torn with this issue, because people pat me on the back "you are so strong to overcome" I don't really feel right getting that applause. Since I chose to make a mess of myself like I had.
The disease is more what drives you to get addicted or chose to sedate yourself. Depression and such. Underlying issues in our pasts that we want to mentally escape from but traditional meds are either hard to get (no insurance) or do not work well enough.
After you use and go completely clean, there is that trigger (any addict can attest to) that it's your mind that goes ape shit when you see it. You sweat, you feel sick...you shake ... almost like detoxing. Psychologically it's a disease.
Now with alcohol there is something called "wet brain" and that is in fact a disease. A side effect of long term usage.
Either way, no one and I think we can all agree to this..deserves DEATH or even belittling for having a moment of weakness in their life that they fell to using a drug to get through a rough patch or to escape their mind.
Most past addicts (that are clean now) are some of the more well rounded people I've met. We've walked different paths and have seen where we could have ended up (via our friends) and where we are.
jester214
04-07-2008, 10:15 PM
it may not be a disease like cancer, but it is a disease none-the-less.
I think that is perfect.
virgoamm
04-07-2008, 10:22 PM
Most past addicts (that are clean now) are some of the more well rounded people I've met. We've walked different paths and have seen where we could have ended up (via our friends) and where we are.
QFT. I grew immensely through my experience. IMMENSELY. I had gone through so much and at such a young age. Every thing that I've gone through in my life (good and bad) has made me who I am today and I wouldn't trade that person for anything.
RoseWhite
04-07-2008, 10:22 PM
I personally feel that if you blame your addiction on anyone but yourself, you can't get over it. Placing blame on the outside pushes guilt away from yourself, making it easier to blame someone else when you do it again...and again..and again... because you didn't do it, the disease did.
I think this is exactly why many recovery programs put a lot of emphasis on personal responsibility. I know not everyone agrees with everything about 12 Step programs specifically, especially the "higher power" parts, but I think this is one area that successful recovery programs do have in common. Blaming anyone else, playing the victim - it's just not tolerated.
And having not had personal experience going through a formal rehab, I should probably stop there lest I overstep. Perhaps someone with firsthand experience could shed more light.
It is a potentially interesting discussion, Lysondra, since there are clearly some distinctions to be made between the pathology of a disease like cancer or MS, and the experience of mental illness/addiction. All have physiological symptoms and effects, yet it's undeniable that there are differences. BUT: I think the point of looking at addiction as a disease is to try and understand the very real struggle an addict has to deal with on every level, not just emotionally, but physically, especially neurologically.
I hope that made some sorta sense. In any case, I hope those of us remaining here CAN agree that no matter what your position is on addiction's pathology, mass murder is maybe not the solution. Ya?
Sophia_Ashley
04-07-2008, 10:32 PM
I just hope I don't get flamed for my post. I'm sleepy so I can't put it too well into words. I'm greatful that so many strive to get clean and stay that way. I'm so greatful for the life I get now. I'm so happy I cured myself. And I'm so happy so many others strive to do the same or have done.
We beat a sickness/disease however you'd like to phrase it. And having the ability to admit and get rid of all of the negative that surrounds it is a humbling experience we are fortunate enough to have had.
Sophia_Ashley
04-07-2008, 10:39 PM
Before I chose to hit rock bottom, I had formal rehab.
It served me with tools but I personally wasn't ready for the journey. I never went on methadone as I knew it was a greater evil. I also chose to go on anti depressents which made me out of control nuts.
I opted to not take the cocktail they gave me to soothe my "need". I landed back into using or "chipping" off about 6 months later. Then I became again a functioning junkie. I lost me.
But, I found me when I one day woke up and realized I still had the tools of rehab and it's now about finding a program that works best for me. I surrounded myself with great friends who were none users, confided. Kept my family out of the loop. And I went through it all. I felt all the sickness (rehab if you are a serious addict cannot accept you without a detox program first) And even then they give you comfort meds. I wanted to feel all the pain, the suffering and the hell so I KNOW what I would be going back to.
I chose to stay away.
Rehab helps many tht have underlying serious mental health issues. I had PTSD. Meds really don't help that, CORE therapy does same with xanax at night to sleep. Which I've never abused.
The main thing is, do what you feel is best for you and that recovery will pan out to be the best way possible if you have your best intentions at hand.
I hope this makes some sense lol.
Rehab is a great structured enviroment HOWEVER, you still have to get rid of those friends you still have a life you have to walk back into. So if you are prepared or have help that makes a difference.
I'm all DIY. I ended my friendships without being a bitch. I explained to them it was unhealthy and why. I chose to go through it alone because I felt it was the best. I did have someone watch me and keep my keys and money.
virgoamm
04-07-2008, 10:39 PM
I don't see why you would get flamed for your post. Three out of three former addicts agree!
Geez that rhymed and sounded lame. Whoops, lol :P
Sophia_Ashley
04-07-2008, 10:48 PM
^ lol. we shall see. But everyone is intitled to their opinion :) And I respect that
red red red
04-07-2008, 11:45 PM
I don't think that anyone, including the OP, really believes that drug addicts should be gassed. But I also can't imagine that anyone else, including former/current addicts, cannot agree that addicts are a real pain in the ass for those who have to deal with them. Dumbassed hyperbole aside, I think that's what she was getting at.
TigersMilk
04-07-2008, 11:56 PM
Wow guys. I think this thread has run its course.