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jaizaine
04-10-2008, 12:53 AM
I vote: Cut

I've never been near a circumcised dick that smelled bad, however, I have been with a few uncircumcised dicks that smelled like the the stinky crickets and mealworms that I feed to my lizards. Ruined it for me.

bwaahahahahahah
i used to feed those to my bearded dragons.

I dont really mind to much but I do think sex with uncut guys feels way better. It's got a more sensitive, softer feel to it. so nice.

My bf is uncut but he always has the turtleneck pulled back so it looks cut anyway and he has a very clean dick.

Clean is not an uncut/cut issue, it's a personal hygiene issue for the guy. All guys should clean their dicks often and thoroughly and if this means pulling the skin back coz they are uncut they need to do it.
Another thing is if a woman is a single parent to an uncut boy she needs to show him how to clean his penis properly coz usually the father would do this.

ETA: giving headjobs to uncut is my only prob. not my bf because his is always pulled back so his head is dry just like a cut one. but i have given head to uncut ones and the wetness of the head makes me feel sick and generally didn't taste nice. actually i have gagged over giving head to uncut guys.

jaizaine
04-10-2008, 12:57 AM
Well, it's nice to know that such hard and fast (ha, ha) decisions are made on guys who have about no choice.

1) If a guy is circumsized early, the choice is already made.
2) If he's not circumcized, it's not likely that he'll walk into a doctor's office in his teens or adulthood and say, "Hey, doc.... cut off some of the skin of my dick, OK?"

It's almost like having an outie or innie vag (and yeah, that discussion has been had countless times). I mean, how would a girl like it if a very winsome guy crinkled up his nose, and said, "Sorry, wrong configuration. I thought I liked you, but game over"?

Personally, I think true love in reasonable people will overcome genital appearance. But I'm an idealist.

well to be fair i think outie vaginas are gross and my preference is an innie vagina. i have been down on girls with both and i dont like licking outies - it all gets in the way too much.

Callyish
04-10-2008, 01:00 AM
balls are great fun too

foreskin fascinates me for some reason


I so agree! LoL

I love me uncut penis :D Its just so fun to play with lol. Plus it feels way better when your being fucked :biggrin:

jaizaine
04-10-2008, 01:02 AM
Plus it feels way better when your being fucked :biggrin:

WAY BETTER!!:P

Polekitten
04-10-2008, 01:07 AM
I prefer uncut. I as with someone who was circumsized for a long time and I thought I prefered that but now I'm back to natural I love it!

Also, I'd like to agree that smell is a hygene issue, not a cut or uncut. I've never been with a smelly guy and I've been with both, all my bfs have been very hygenic. If you don't wash your cock its gonna smell no matter what.

scarlett_vancouver
04-10-2008, 01:25 AM
Most circumcised guys I know don't need lube either, for handjobs or masturbation or whatever.

I must hang out with weirdly dry-penised guys :O

I prefer uncut; circumcision makes zero sense to me. If foreskin wasn't supposed to be there, it wouldn't be. That said, most of the guys I've been with have been cut. Oh well. I would definitely not circumcize my child.

kitana
04-10-2008, 05:30 AM
They really aren't that much difference when they are hard. The foreskin are there to protect the head when they are soft. Why change that ?? God knows his business !!

A natural penis is also much more easy to work with :)

When you give handjob you just grab the foreskin. No lube is needed.

When you give blowjob pull back the foreskin and work the head very,very gentle :D Because it is way more sensitive 8)

Another big difference between US and EU !! I wonder why ??

I wasn't gunna say anything but since you brought G-d into it, by my religion they are supposta be cut. Uncut is nasty and not kosher at all.

Personally even before I converted, I thought they were gross, and now; there is NO WAY I would ever go there.

If I were dating a guy it would be one of the first things I asked, if they were uncut, the date would be over, and no more would happen. I wouldn't take the chance to fall in love with a guy that was uncut.

Oh and BTW, I haven't ever had a problem with BJ's or HJ's or sex with a kosher penis. But then again I guess I just have mad skills, lol!

Lysondra
04-10-2008, 06:01 AM
KOSHER PENIS.

Also... right now I couldn't give a shit. I just want it big and aiming at me.

jasmine
04-10-2008, 07:07 AM
I like uncut !! IMO it is a disgusting habit cutting i people >:( Especially if it is done to baby/boys or even worse to girls.

We don't do that where I come from.

If you like all that cutting ... Cut yourself !!

Gotta agree there. I didn't cut my boys. Why remove a part of their body? Especially when research differs so much on the pros and cons. One study says there are advatages, another says no advantages and possible complications. :-\

To the original question.... I've only been with a handful of men myself, all cut, so I have no idea.

SundayMorning
04-10-2008, 07:51 AM
Point made. My hopeless romanticism is revealed. Again. I retire from the field.



(FTR, I don't care about innies or outies or small or endowed. If I like her......)

Awww I killed the romanticism. Bad llama!

VenusGoddess
04-10-2008, 08:56 AM
Gotta agree there. I didn't cut my boys. Why remove a part of their body? Especially when research differs so much on the pros and cons. One study says there are advatages, another says no advantages and possible complications. :-\

To the original question.... I've only been with a handful of men myself, all cut, so I have no idea.

Agreed. I couldn't imagine having a gaping wound in a sack of piss and shit all day. All of my friends have had some kind of complication with their circumsized boys. Infection, whatever. One had a botched circumcision and had to have it redone at 15 months old...he literally just stood in the same spot and cried for 3 days. After that, you couldn't change his diaper without him freaking out. What a thing to experience the first years of life. :'(

Nope, not going down that road. If my son wants a circumcision and to deal with the pain, it's his choice to make. I'm not going to make it for him.

I've been with both cut and uncut. I really don't care either way. The deal breaker for me was actually being bad in bed. If you don't know how to use it, it doesn't matter whether it's cut or not.

Yekhefah
04-10-2008, 09:20 AM
Well, it's only Jewish boys that are supposed to be cut in Judaism, Kitana. Goyim aren't required to be. And actually Christian teaching forbids circumcision for Christian males (it's in the book of Galatians; Paul suggests that you should just cut your whole dick off if you're even considering it) but it became standard cultural practice later on anyway.

IIRC Muslims wait until puberty to circumcise, like the ancient Egyptians did. Now THAT seems cruel.

RoseWhite
04-10-2008, 09:57 AM
I want to say upfront that I have the utmost respect for Judaism and for others' religious beliefs in general, and do not intend to derail this thread with a religious debate. I care about many people who have posted in this thread so far and respect everyone, so if anyone feels I am out of line in posting this information, I WILL be happy to delete this post. But after thinking about it for a while, I came down on the side of sharing information.

That's a lot of prelude just to share a couple of links: One is an organization called Jews Against Circumcision. (http://www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org/) There are more and more Jewish people starting to speak out about this, and I think it is a testament to the one of the main strengths of Judaism - the value that they hold in questioning and debating things even within their own beliefs and practices. I mean that sincerely!

I am aware that this group is certainly in the minority within Judaism, but they do exist, and reading their site conveys, to me, a lot of pride and love for their heritage - so I commend them for being willing to question this practice and attempting to look at it objectively. Take a look; I think they make some strong arguments from within the perspective of their religion, though of course you may feel differently.

The other link I wanted to share was to the documentary film "Cut" (http://www.cutthefilm.com/Cut_Website/Home.html), which I thought does an excellent job of exploring this from a religious point of view (as well as medical and ethical). The director is Jewish himself, so much of the material focuses on this - a much more challenging hurdle than the medical and ethical sides of the debate.

Again, I have no problem deleting this if anyone finds it upsetting or offensive. The last thing I want to do is foment any fighting whatsoever on this board, now that we seem to be returning to a peaceful state. I want to believe I have friends here with whom I can disagree on something in a respectful manner - and if I myself have not been respectful I will amend accordingly.

I ALSO realize that the intended spirit of the thread was much more lighthearted, too! So, sorry for being a buzzkill. ;)

Yekhefah
04-10-2008, 10:21 AM
Those are interesting links, Rose, and thanks for sharing them.

In my opinion there are better arguments FOR circumcision than against it, but it's certainly a parent's individual choice whether to circumcise a son or not. As long as my decision to circumcise is respected, I wholeheartedly support those who decide not to.

RoseWhite
04-10-2008, 10:40 AM
^ Totally understood. Glad we be kosher. :peace:

boxingdoc
04-10-2008, 11:15 AM
I have the misfortune of only seeing the complications adult men have with uncircumcised penii so my world view is biased. Cut all the way for me, with the open confession that I am biased by my job.

pookie
04-10-2008, 11:33 AM
i dont like it when a penis is sticky.

lizlizliz
04-10-2008, 11:38 AM
I like them large and cut. Sort of like strawberries.

That is signature-worthy.

pookie
04-10-2008, 11:41 AM
http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk131/melt-me_into_blacklight/Random%20Goofs/DSC00734.jpg


http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n183/soulfully_broken/funny/penis.gif

pookie
04-10-2008, 11:43 AM
http://i307.photobucket.com/albums/nn314/KAY_LOUISE_08/PENIS.gif

pookie
04-10-2008, 11:49 AM
and this is for Yek!

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/megan6534/penis.jpg

muhuwahaha
04-10-2008, 11:51 AM
wtf kind of uncut guys are some of you sleeping with? rofl.

last time I had bad odor on my dick was when I was about 12 years old and was showering 3 times a week without cleaning my junk.

miabella
04-10-2008, 12:16 PM
yeah, uncut guys are typically tidy fellas. it's not difficult to clean a foreskin, no more so than having longer or larger than average vaginal lips. and yet i am sure such ladies keep their goods clean pretty easily as well.

being a darn hippie, i prefer uncut, since it's the natural state.

alessandra
04-10-2008, 12:23 PM
That is signature-worthy.

Yay! I've been siggied AND pookie posted a strawberry penis! That's awesome.

VenusGoddess
04-10-2008, 04:09 PM
IIRC Muslims wait until puberty to circumcise, like the ancient Egyptians did. Now THAT seems cruel.

How is it cruel? Usually, for teen boys/men who are getting circumsized, they give them anesthesia and pain killers of some sort.

Newborn baby boys? They use a very weak local and chop away. It's sickening to see...

Also, as a full grown man, you take care of your own circumcision...which means when it comes to cleaning, etc you know exactly how much pressure to apply...when to stop. For a parent cleaning a baby boy's circumsized penis, they don't know exactly where it hurts, how much pressure they're applying...

Ick.

I'm out. Everyone needs to make the choice for them but I really hope that you would allow your male child to make the best choice for him when he's able to weigh the pros and cons.

oohdamnbaby
04-10-2008, 04:15 PM
I wholeheartedly agree with you, VG. I'm so glad that my firstborn wasn't a boy, as I wasn't educated on the cons of circumcision then and probably would have had him cut.

Yekhefah
04-10-2008, 04:31 PM
Nine-day-old babies aren't as sensitive as thirteen-year-old boys. They also heal more quickly. They won't remember the pain either; let's face it, teething and circumcision and other aspects of babyhood are just painful, which is probably why babies don't remember anything or don't feel pain as thoroughly. Even being born would hurt like hell if they were able to feel and remember all of it. Whatever parents want to do is fine, but I do think it's more humane to circ a baby than a teenager.

seraya
04-10-2008, 04:36 PM
I have the misfortune of only seeing the complications adult men have with uncircumcised penii so my world view is biased. Cut all the way for me, with the open confession that I am biased by my job.That is my exp also. The ppl I know who decided not to have their sons circumcised, eventually had to due to medical complications. I also know 2 men who had the surgery in their adult life for similar reasons.

I chose to have my son circumcised and I do not regret it; not one bit. I debated the issue in my mind but then when my son had surgery for an inguinal hernia, my husband and I asked the surgeon if it was possible to circumcise him at the same time, so that way he would be under general anesthesia and wouldn't feel anything after due to the pain meds he was administrated for the surgery.

Anyway there wasn't any open wounds, blood or anything like that because they used the Plastibell method. He never cried or winced or showed signs any pain (he was connected to heart rate monitors) when changing. When you change them you don't apply any pressure at all you just squeeze a few drops of water on the penis.

It was far far from traumatic.

Susan Wayward
04-10-2008, 05:15 PM
balls are great fun too

They sure are. I never get bored with them.


Sorry for my lack of romanticism, Jay, but I had an uncut one whipped out on me once and it was so disgusting I shrieked and ran from the room. (...) If a guy felt the same way about my labia I would just have to accept that we weren't meant for each other.

BULLLLLLLLSHIT! If a guy looked at your snatch and shrieked and ran out of the room you would freak the fuck out.

Everyone can have a preference, of course, but violent denigration of and disgust for the human body in its natural form depresses me.

jaizaine
04-10-2008, 05:32 PM
I have the misfortune of only seeing the complications adult men have with uncircumcised penii so my world view is biased. Cut all the way for me, with the open confession that I am biased by my job.

what sort of complications?

VenusGoddess
04-10-2008, 05:39 PM
Nine-day-old babies aren't as sensitive as thirteen-year-old boys. They also heal more quickly. They won't remember the pain either; let's face it, teething and circumcision and other aspects of babyhood are just painful, which is probably why babies don't remember anything or don't feel pain as thoroughly. Even being born would hurt like hell if they were able to feel and remember all of it. Whatever parents want to do is fine, but I do think it's more humane to circ a baby than a teenager.

You have proof of this? Baby boys don't scream during circumcision because the room is too cold. I don't agree about "not remembering" the pain. They may not consciously remember, but it's a core pain they'll never forget.

I can't believe that you just compared teething to circumcision. If this was about a baby girl having her clit removed, you would be screaming about the unnecessary pain of it.

The genitalia is the most sensitive part of a human's body. Whether you circ a newborn or a full grown male (or female) it's going to fucking hurt.

And, no, I would never compare something unnatural, like circumcision, to something like teething.

Casual Observer
04-10-2008, 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by boxingdoc

I have the misfortune of only seeing the complications adult men have with uncircumcised penii so my world view is biased. Cut all the way for me, with the open confession that I am biased by my job.

what sort of complications?

Well, there's very strong evidence to suggest that uncut men are more prone to STDs, due to viral/bacterial material being trapped in foreskin, which also is quite thin and susceptible to microtears during sex, allowing for blood-based entry of pathogens. CDC link here. (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm)

This is shown in the current drive--based on statistics recently generated in UN studies--to circumcise males in Sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV/AIDS is rampant.

Just something to consider.

RoseWhite
04-10-2008, 06:30 PM
I disagree with VG only ever so slightly on one point - to be fair, I don't think that circumcision is analogous with removal of the entire clitoris; that would mean removing the head of the penis. It IS completely analogous with removal of the labia, which is another kind of female genital mutilation (it's not always clitoridectomy). And the foreskin is actually very sensitive and full of nerve endings - it's not just a 'flap of skin', as it's sometimes referred to.

As far as the argument about whether it's better to do it an an infant or as a teen/adult, I maintain (and this is just my opinion) that it's better to do it as a teen or adult, due to several things: one is the fact that the person who the penis belongs to can participate in the decision. Second is the fact that proper anesthetic can be used during the procedure - what they use now (and this is a recent development - in the not-so-distant-past they didn't use anything at all) has been questioned by many for both safety and effectiveness. There is plenty of evidence to support a newborn feeling pain, and its impact has harmful effects on both sleep cycles and on breastfeeding (something that can take some effort for a new mother to establish).

Third is the fact that a teen or adult is not going to be caring for an open wound, as VG pointed out, inside a diaper and exposed to feces and ammonia. Fourth is the fact that a teen or adult has the ability to communicate with you and with doctors, both prior to and after the procedure, on a variety of needs - and adequate follow-up pain medication can be prescribed and used properly.

There are certainly situations (and I would also absolutely include the man's legitimate personal choice) where circumcision is desired or needed later in life. I don't deny this. I also do not feel, in my opinion, that this necessitates performing it routinely on all infants.

Again, all due respect to different parenting choices! I just wanted to clarify my position, and what my reasoning was in regard to some of the perfectly legitimate points and opinions stated by others. You can tell I feel strongly about this, but, just as with very beloved family members of mine with whom I differ on this very matter, I want to disagree with kindness and good intentions.

RoseWhite
04-10-2008, 06:35 PM
Finally, on the matter of STDs: opinions do differ among health organizations on how much of an effect this really has. Australia reached the exact opposite conclusion last year: http://www.afao.org.au/library_docs/policy/Circumcision07.pdf

Excerpted key points from the statement:

- There is no demonstrated benefit of circumcision in men who have sex with men.
- Correct and consistent condom use, not circumcision, is the most effective means of reducing female-to male transmission, and vice-versa.
- African data on circumcision is context-specific and cannot be extrapolated to the Australian epidemic in any way.

I think it's ultimately hard to isolate this factor in areas with epidemic rates of disease. If the UN study about circumcision is correct, then why does the United States, with its high rate of circumcision, also have a tragically high rate of AIDS, while nations that have almost NO circumcision in their cultures (including nations known for sexual liberalism, such as Sweden) have an encouragingly low number of people suffering from the disease?

TheSexKitten
04-10-2008, 06:44 PM
My vulva is hurting!!

In any case, I like a nice, natural cock. Foreskin has a lot of cool benefits! Easier handjobs, etc. Not to mention you can make a little elephant while it's flaccid by pulling the skin down and using the balls as ears, which is obviously cool... :P :-[

Circumcized is fine I suppose but it's really just a bit of skin anyway, so it doesn't matter to me all that much.

TheSexKitten
04-10-2008, 06:46 PM
Well, there's very strong evidence to suggest that uncut men are more prone to STDs, due to viral/bacterial material being trapped in foreskin, which also is quite thin and susceptible to microtears during sex, allowing for blood-based entry of pathogens.

This is shown in the current drive--based on statistics recently generated in UN studies--to circumcise males in Sub-Saharan Africa, where HIV/AIDS is rampant.

Just something to consider.

That's like saying you'll be ok if you drive drunk as long as you wear a seatbelt...

Condoms are the only reasonably effective way of preventing STD transmission, and bacteria should be cleared up with thorough washing, not by chopping off a piece of one's flesh.

Yekhefah
04-10-2008, 06:50 PM
If a guy looked at your snatch and shrieked and ran out of the room you would freak the fuck out.

Oh, sure I would. But I wouldn't be able to help it, and neither would he. If I went to an African village where FGM was the norm and I hooked up with a guy there, it would be understandable if my genitals looked freakish and gross to him. It's just a cultural thing and I never even heard of uncircumcised men until I was in my late teens, never saw one until I was in college and it was sprung on me. I can't help my gut reactions, they're just cultural.


Baby boys don't scream during circumcision because the room is too cold.

I've never heard this one and I don't understand what you mean. When is the room cold? In a Jewish brit milah ceremony in someone's house, everyone else is in the same room. They use a local anesthetic nowadays and they also give the baby some wine, and they feed him afterward. He sleeps and wakes up and he's fine. People have been doing it for thousands of years. I don't think the men I've been with have been fucked up in the head or otherwise damaged by it, and every circumcised man I know plans to circumcise his own son. If it were really so terrible I don't think this would be the case.

RoseWhite, you raise some interesting points. Like I said, I can completely understand why people would choose not to circ. I just don't think those who do circ are horrible people, and I fully intend to do it as well if I ever have a son.

peanutbutter007
04-10-2008, 06:51 PM
I've only been with one uncut guy and I think the only reason it seemed bizarre to me is just that...he was the first. So I felt like I didn't know what to do with the damn thing.

His hygiene was fine, that was never an issue...but it was just different; sort of in my way.

The hood was always popping up so to speak! I'm not against it, but it doesn't turn me on either.

RoseWhite
04-10-2008, 06:54 PM
RoseWhite, you raise some interesting points. Like I said, I can completely understand why people would choose not to circ. I just don't think those who do circ are horrible people, and I fully intend to do it as well if I ever have a son.

Oh, I definitely don't think this either! :) Maybe that goes without saying, but I'll play it safe anyway.

I have to admit, though we're essentially on the same page, I'm not sure what Venus was getting at about the room being cold, either. I've never heard anything about a cold room as a factor in circumcision, whether in a bris or a surgical center, affecting pain. I do know I've seen babies crying in all temperatures, including very cold ones. I could be missing something though. VG, can you clarify that? I don't mean to be dense.

SexKitten, :laughing: at the elephant image!

Casual Observer
04-10-2008, 07:18 PM
If the UN study about circumcision is correct, then why does the United States, with its high rate of circumcision, also have a tragically high rate of AIDS, while nations that have almost NO circumcision in their cultures (including nations known for sexual liberalism, such as Sweden) have an encouragingly low number of people suffering from the disease?

But look where our HIV/AIDS infections are concentrated here in the US; IV junkies and homosexual males (predominantly young males). It's a grossly disproportionate rate of infection vis a vis non-IV users and heterosexuals. Look at where infections reign in Sub-Saharan Africa--almost exclusively in heterosexuals. Now the obvious differences (culturally) between Scandinavia and Africa can't be ignored as they pertain to rates of infection. These truths don't invalidate the basic fundamental concept that circumcision has a protective effect at some level, not to necessarily equate that protection with condom usage.


That's like saying you'll be ok if you drive drunk as long as you wear a seatbelt...

No, it's more like saying driving with a seatbelt--a relatively simple proactive precaution--is better than not wearing a seatbelt. You don't have to be sexually reckless to contract an STD.

RoseLeigh
04-10-2008, 08:04 PM
But look where our HIV/AIDS infections are concentrated here in the US; IV junkies and homosexual males (predominantly young males). It's a grossly disproportionate rate of infection vis a vis non-IV users and heterosexuals. Look at where infections reign in Sub-Saharan Africa--almost exclusively in heterosexuals. Now the obvious differences (culturally) between Scandinavia and Africa can't be ignored as they pertain to rates of infection. These truths don't invalidate the basic fundamental concept that circumcision has a protective effect at some level, not to necessarily equate that protection with condom usage.

I'm looking at the CDC website right now-50% of HIV diagnoses were from 'male to male contact', 33% from hetrosexual contact. That's not a huge difference.

Also-the largest categories according to two other pie charts-35-44 year olds-32%, and African Americans-49%. Hardly just young gay men-lots of other factors at work there.

VenusGoddess
04-10-2008, 08:42 PM
I said that the baby is not screaming during a circumcision because the room is too cold (meaning that they are screaming from pain/discomfort).

miabella
04-10-2008, 11:08 PM
sub-saharan africa has high incidences of diseases that are rare in america due to better nutrition and access to clean water. in america, those diseases primarily happen to people with AIDs.

because those rare diseases are common in sub-saharan africa, an assumption continues to be made that OMG it's AIDs, when there's no resources to actually, you know, TEST AND VERIFY THAT RACIST ASSUMPTION.

what little testing's been done doesn't appear to indicate higher rates of transmission for heterosexuals in sub-saharan africa. but again, they aren't testing and finding HIV-- they're just finding diseases typically associated with HIV in america.

i think anyone circumcising their kid is doing some wrong, but i can at least understand doing it for religious reasons (though i do not agree with that choice at all).

BalletBaby
04-10-2008, 11:28 PM
I've only been with one guy and he's cut. Never seen an uncut penis.

scarlett_vancouver
04-11-2008, 02:04 AM
because those rare diseases are common in sub-saharan africa, an assumption continues to be made that OMG it's AIDs, when there's no resources to actually, you know, TEST AND VERIFY THAT RACIST ASSUMPTION.

what little testing's been done doesn't appear to indicate higher rates of transmission for heterosexuals in sub-saharan africa. but again, they aren't testing and finding HIV-- they're just finding diseases typically associated with HIV in america.


Just curious where you get your info? I have first hand experience working in hospitals in Kenya and Ghana, 1999 and 2007 respectively, and in both cases I was in rural areas in government-funded hospitals (not private), and HIV patients were always confirmed postive via ELISA tests. I know false positives are somewhat common with the basic 24-hour tests, but I'm unfamiliar with the situation of someone being diagnosed positive (by an outside organization) without a test at all. Not saying I know everythig that goes on, just your take seems very different from what I've experienced, and I'd like to look into that side of it.

RoseWhite
04-11-2008, 07:06 AM
I said that the baby is not screaming during a circumcision because the room is too cold (meaning that they are screaming from pain/discomfort).

*forehead smack*

I am a DOLT. Sorry. I was just literally read it completely wrong! Like, I thought you were saying there was some analgesic effect from the cold room and therefore when you see a baby circumcised that isn't crying (which also made no sense at all, as I've only ever seen them with screaming aplenty) it's only because of the room. I just couldn't figure it out. Did I mention I have pregnancy brain?

I'm gonna go stand over here. :dunce:

alessandra
04-11-2008, 07:21 AM
Just a fact to add about newborn circumcision: I've watched/assisted several in my OB rotation, and in my experience, they start off by binding their arms and legs down to the circ board and inject a local anesthetic block which is similar to what we would get for a dental procedure-- e.g. a wisdom teeth removal. Usually the infant stays calm for a few minutes into the procedure and become upset once they realize they can't move their arms or legs because they are bound to the circ board. There are several different methods of circumcision, and it's actually a fairly quick and non-bloody procedure. After they remove the foreskin and unbind the infant from the circ board, they stop crying. Seriously. They're put right back in the bassinet, and it's like it never even happened. As far as the room, at the hospital I was at, the room was actually warm, as it was on the OB floor beside the nursery, and they keep the temperatures raised on that floor specifically to assist the newborn in thermoregulation.

Anyways, just thought I'd throw my personal experience in here.
*ducks*

RoseWhite
04-11-2008, 07:29 AM
That's a fair perspective, and a legitimate firsthand experience. Here's another firsthand experience from a nursing student who witnessed circumcision during her training:


We students filed into the newborn nursery to find a baby strapped spread-eagle to a plastic board on a counter top across the room. He was struggling against his restraints—tugging, whimpering, and then crying helplessly. . . . I stroked his little head and spoke softly to him. He began to relax and was momentarily quiet. The silence was soon broken by a piercing scream—the baby’s reaction to having his foreskin pinched and crushed as the doctor attached the clamp to his penis. The shriek intensified when the doctor inserted an instrument between the foreskin and the glans (head of the penis), tearing the two structures apart. The baby started shaking his head back and forth—the only part of his body free to move—as the doctor used another clamp to crush the foreskin lengthwise, which he then cut. This made the opening of the foreskin large enough to insert a circumcision instrument, the device used to protect the glans from being severed during the surgery. The baby began to gasp and choke, breathless from his shrill continuous screams. . . . During the next stage of the surgery, the doctor crushed the foreskin against the circumcision instrument and then, finally, amputated it. The baby was limp, exhausted, spent.

http://www.circumcision.org/response.htm Do note that this citation was from 1989, so I'm unclear as to standard policies on anesthetic at that time.

Nini Nieb
04-11-2008, 08:43 AM
Just a fact to add about newborn circumcision: I've watched/assisted several in my OB rotation, and in my experience, they start off by binding their arms and legs down to the circ board and inject a local anesthetic block which is similar to what we would get for a dental procedure-- e.g. a wisdom teeth removal. Usually the infant stays calm for a few minutes into the procedure and become upset once they realize they can't move their arms or legs because they are bound to the circ board. There are several different methods of circumcision, and it's actually a fairly quick and non-bloody procedure. After they remove the foreskin and unbind the infant from the circ board, they stop crying. Seriously. They're put right back in the bassinet, and it's like it never even happened. As far as the room, at the hospital I was at, the room was actually warm, as it was on the OB floor beside the nursery, and they keep the temperatures raised on that floor specifically to assist the newborn in thermoregulation.

Anyways, just thought I'd throw my personal experience in here.
*ducks*

What a sad story !! When will we ever learn ?? Why ?? Why ??

Nini Nieb
04-11-2008, 09:20 AM
Those are interesting links, Rose, and thanks for sharing them.

In my opinion there are better arguments FOR circumcision than against it, but it's certainly a parent's individual choice whether to circumcise a son or not. As long as my decision to circumcise is respected, I wholeheartedly support those who decide not to.

Your decision is not respected >:( Getting the message ??

It is not the matter of an individual choce of the parents !!! It's a matter of individual choice of that specific human being !!! That be boy/girl/male/female ... If parents do make all the calls ... We are getting nowhere !!!

Plenty people have give you a lot to work with !!! But you simply don't want to learn !?!?!

I feel sorry for you !!

I hope I made my self clear :-*