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BondGirl007
01-21-2018, 04:53 PM
I never freestyled at bars because it was too many girls. But since I go after certain highly paid blue-collar workers; I go to certain restaurants and other places to freestyle. It is hell of better than wasting time combing through sugar sites for guys. I never go what I desired from sugar sites. :) However, it depends on your region, who want to freestyle with, and your look.
Not to rain on anyone's parade, but the SD sites are dead now, or infected with Splenda & salt... SD sites were great until about 2014, and even then, it was weak -- 2009-2012 were the rockin' years. Better use of time to simply put ads on legit ad spots, or prowl your club for that SD, and get paying customers, IMHO. XO
BondGirl007
01-21-2018, 05:01 PM
I have to freestyle. The sd sites don't work for me. I have a gnd/sexy nerd look so guys go for me because "a nice girl like you wouldn't know about that lifestyle."
So when I start asking favors/$ I look like a friend that needs help not a SB (that's how it should be anyway)
I'm not sure if "that's how it 'should' be," as what SHOULD be is that you meet a dude who understands the situation and is on the same page. You shouldn't have to spend that much energy manipulating the situation & custie (because that's what he actually is). It becomes super emotionally draining and never ends well. Better to be upfront and direct and get what you really want and need. That's how men speak, what they understand, and most important to getting your desired results, what they respect... an in your face, straightforwardness.
miss.a.p1600
01-22-2018, 08:10 AM
^It sounds like she's going about it in a roundabout sort of way. Some dudes are not aware they are in essence what could be considered - sugar daddies. I think her method to get the guy to see her as a special friend he wants to help out is perhaps a strategy for those men who would get red flags (like oh youre a pro? or damn you're gold digger?) if mentioning material desires isn't done in a certain way.
I see what she is doing as taking a 'back door approach' but yeah once you're in there gotta start talking (in a way the man can hear you) cause close mouths don't get fed.
BondGirl007
01-22-2018, 09:04 AM
^It sounds like she's going about it in a roundabout sort of way. Some dudes are not aware they are in essence what could be considered - sugar daddies. I think her method to get the guy to see her as a special friend he wants to help out is perhaps a strategy for those men who would get red flags (like oh youre a pro? or damn you're gold digger?) if mentioning material desires isn't done in a certain way.
I see what she is doing as taking a 'back door approach' but yeah once you're in there gotta start talking (in a way the man can hear you) cause close mouths don't get fed.
I see your point. Having worked the sugar bowl fairly intensively, I have had to learn many lessons the hard way. By the time I checked out, I was completely fried because I had extended myself in too many directions trying to figure out the best approach. My feelings about anything related to getting paid on any level in selling your sex, meaning just even simply your vibe, is to be in the immediate environment where that is possible. The strip clubs, the sugar daddy sites, the escort services, independent escorting, the pro dungeons, the camming sites -- locations where you will actually and directly interact with men who understand the quid pro quo. When I am out freestyling, I tell people what I am and what I do. I do not care to waste my time with those who don't get it or are not interested. It's a good way to cut to the chase and save yourself your valuable & limited energy. Also, when a guy gets worked and played, which is basically what going in a roundabout way is, they get incredibly angry. This puts the sugar baby in danger. Men can be very unpredictable when they are angry. "Men are afraid that women will laugh at them, women are afraid that men will kill them." ~ Margaret Atwood
miss.a.p1600
01-22-2018, 10:36 AM
Ohhh....Thanks
That makes sense. Because if they are in these environments then they are in some sense okay with shelling out cash on the front end without too much emotional connection first.
The 'freestyling' .... that was the gray area - in my mind. Because you're meeting them in vanilla spaces. But you said you just tell them flat out whats up which most likely saves you time and effort because they can either take it or leave it.
A lot of people have mentioned the book Ho Tactics and in it, it seems to be written for the ladies that go about it in the roundabout way. However it does say that they should get in and get out. Get out before the guy feels like he is being used. And be willing to walk away with nothing. Don't let greed get you jammed up. Like 6 months tops is the average.
But you do have a point - some of these men go batshit if they get overly emotional and feel like they were misled
BondGirl007
01-22-2018, 11:05 AM
Ohhh....Thanks
That makes sense. Because if they are in these environments then they are in some sense okay with shelling out cash on the front end without too much emotional connection first.
The 'freestyling' .... that was the gray area - in my mind. Because you're meeting them in vanilla spaces. But you said you just tell them flat out whats up which most likely saves you time and effort because they can either take it or leave it.
A lot of people have mentioned the book Ho Tactics and in it, it seems to be written for the ladies that go about it in the roundabout way. However it does say that they should get in and get out. Get out before the guy feels like he is being used. And be willing to walk away with nothing. Don't let greed get you jammed up. Like 6 months tops is the average.
But you do have a point - some of these men go batshit if they get overly emotional and feel like they were misled
Yeah, it's much easier to find that guy in the direct environment. Freestyling is more often a waste of time, but you never know, and if you make it a point to talk to at least 10 men a night, if you get one bite, that's not bad. In a city like mine, Manhattan, it's not a bad idea to simply go out and take a chance, rather than sitting home watching TV, or sitting by the phone waiting for bookings, or whatever avenue of SW you are doing if not on a regimented schedule like a club...
Ho Tactics is a great guide and a recommended read for any woman seeking to sugar or go about any route of sexwork, even seasoned pros can benefit from the writing.
I guess when women are younger they have more patience to play the game required to get to their end goals. As women mature, we usually find that being more direct gets better results -- part of why younger guys love being around mature women, as they constantly share that they feel younger women play too many games, so by the time younger dude matures, he's pretty hip to the games young ladies play, and thus, he isn't always an easy close.
The bottom line is every gal should figure out her comfort zone and what works for her. It's a vast playing field and there is room for everyone to do well, whatever their style & approach is. Oh, and yes, one last but not least thing... attitude & OPTIMISM about it all is probably the secret sauce to success in the game -- any game...
P.S. I tried to send you a private email saying thanks for all the chats, as we seem to meet up on common threads, but you are HUGELY popular, so much so that you cannot receive any more email until you clear your box out... so yeah, thanks for the chats. You're a cool & smart lady. :-)
HoneyMachado
01-22-2018, 11:52 AM
Depends on where you live I guess
I'm in London, 8 million people and way too many tourists. It seems like every place is just filled with families
BondGirl007
01-22-2018, 12:15 PM
Depends on where you live I guess
I'm in London, 8 million people and way too many tourists. It seems like every place is just filled with families
I thought London has a super-charged clubbing/nightlife scene? Hit the clubs. You won't find mom & pop with the kiddies there... or at least hopefully not!! lol
HoneyMachado
01-22-2018, 12:45 PM
Thank you. Another reason why sex work is better in this option
The rich are far too isolated here, you have to be out everyday just to meet them.
BondGirl007
01-22-2018, 12:58 PM
Thank you. Another reason why sex work is better in this option
The rich are far too isolated here, you have to be out everyday just to meet them.
You have to do that anywhere you are. They generally don't just hang around all over the place. You have to find their environments, be welcomed in, look, act, be the part, etc. or... go & be exactly where they are and know the deal, in the SWer environments...
HoneyMachado
01-22-2018, 01:11 PM
That's my issue, I do (Mayfair, Kensington, Chelsea) they're either not there( rich and available) or it's filled with tourists but I'm just going to be more aggressive!
DonaDiabla
01-22-2018, 02:44 PM
Honey, have you tried going to polo and cricket matches to find rich guys? Maybe attend an yachting event as well? :) I believe that you are searching for more high-class men and they are often at those matches.
That's my issue, I do (Mayfair, Kensington, Chelsea) they're either not there( rich and available) or it's filled with tourists but I'm just going to be more aggressive!
whodathoe
01-22-2018, 05:10 PM
^It sounds like she's going about it in a roundabout sort of way. Some dudes are not aware they are in essence what could be considered - sugar daddies. I think her method to get the guy to see her as a special friend he wants to help out is perhaps a strategy for those men who would get red flags (like oh youre a pro? or damn you're gold digger?) if mentioning material desires isn't done in a certain way.
I see what she is doing as taking a 'back door approach' but yeah once you're in there gotta start talking (in a way the man can hear you) cause close mouths don't get fed.
Right on! I meet guys on tinder and once we date twice I will bring up an arrangement. If they act like they dk what I'm talking about I find a new trick
HoneyMachado
01-23-2018, 12:14 PM
Honey, have you tried going to polo and cricket matches to find rich guys? Maybe attend an yachting event as well? :) I believe that you are searching for more high-class men and they are often at those matches.
You're right. I think I'm going to do this aswell as invest more money in private members clubs and gyms. Thank you I appreciate it.
h0ttie
06-16-2019, 11:48 AM
i hate to be ask to be spoon fed but i just found out i need to move in 2 weeks. so i need cash ASAP
i tried whatsyourprice and guys are not offering more than 100 - tho i have heard of girls getting $300-$500 so im hopefull
and also
esablishedmen - which is garbage.
if anyone could recommend a decent site to save me time signing up on a bunch i would appreciate it.
I am browsing the thread but it almost seems like no one wants to posts the sites they do well on publicly. thanks
miss.a.p1600
06-16-2019, 12:50 PM
Well I think most people who have done the sites (especially nowadays) reported that they had little success and were finding sd in real life via free styling, etc.
You would probably have to do your own testing regardless of what anyone says here cause each persons experience may be different due to a number of factors.
Hire a trustworthy virtual assistant to sign you up on the sites (I’m sure you could get this done for less than $50)
You’re better off hitting the strip club if you need cash in 2 weeks than relying on dudes who might not come through, turn out to be salt or Splenda daddies, etc
VenusRose
06-16-2019, 01:58 PM
Hey there! Although many people report sites being unsuccessful for them, I've had a few very successful arrangments using SeekingArrangement which is just seeking.com now. If you set up your profile in the right way you can easily weed out splendas/salts and find a good few. The only reason I haven't had more arrangements personally is just due to not trying harder at the moment (I'm in an awful area geographically). But SA has done me well even being in a not so good area.
DonaDiabla
06-17-2019, 11:39 AM
Honestly, I would say that if you need money that fast than you could do stripping and online work such as phone sex. Only stripping can have super fast results. You can also try Millionaire Match, Date A Millionaire, as well Luxy those guys on there are apart of the one percent. Now, you have to watch Luxy as I believe they are still voting everyone in before you can use their site. You can also try looking for guys on the Inner Circle as they have many young professionals into sugaring on there if they are not looking for their trophy wives. Good Luck :)
i hate to be ask to be spoon fed but i just found out i need to move in 2 weeks. so i need cash ASAP
i tried whatsyourprice and guys are not offering more than 100 - tho i have heard of girls getting $300-$500 so im hopefull
and also
esablishedmen - which is garbage.
if anyone could recommend a decent site to save me time signing up on a bunch i would appreciate it.
I am browsing the thread but it almost seems like no one wants to posts the sites they do well on publicly. thanks
charlie61
06-17-2019, 02:08 PM
Well I think most people who have done the sites (especially nowadays) reported that they had little success and were finding sd in real life via free styling, etc.
You would probably have to do your own testing regardless of what anyone says here cause each persons experience may be different due to a number of factors.
Hire a trustworthy virtual assistant to sign you up on the sites (I’m sure you could get this done for less than $50)
You’re better off hitting the strip club if you need cash in 2 weeks than relying on dudes who might not come through, turn out to be salt or Splenda daddies, etc
Agreed, 100%. Fast-hustle sugaring can be done if you're an escort (meeting potential SDs for dinners / dates and hustling them into pay for play). But as a non-sexual SB (years ago), it took me a lot of time and filtering to find good opportunities. You can't really control how quickly you'll find a good fit - just like with vanilla online dating, there are only so many factors in your control.
Dancing is almost always the best option for fast, legal money.
SnuffleUffleGrass
06-17-2019, 06:48 PM
Agreed, 100%. Fast-hustle sugaring can be done if you're an escort (meeting potential SDs for dinners / dates and hustling them into pay for play). But as a non-sexual SB (years ago), it took me a lot of time and filtering to find good opportunities. You can't really control how quickly you'll find a good fit - just like with vanilla online dating, there are only so many factors in your control.
Dancing is almost always the best option for fast, legal money.
I agree. A few years ago when I was in a pinch I fast hustled in a major metropolitan area and was so glad it worked out for me. HOWEVER (big catch here) my only good "catch" on Seeking Arrangement was a one-off situation and the other guys I dealt with ranged from lame/weird to creepy/potentially dangerous.
h0ttie
06-17-2019, 10:30 PM
i am not too desperate as i cam and im on daily pay. however it would be nice to go on a date and be paid $300 or something.
or maybe just run into a guy who would love to save me from my moving dilemma.
anyway thanks for the advice some really helpful stuff has been shared.
i signed up on verify him (is that the name?) so hopefully they approve that soon.
SnuffleUffleGrass
06-18-2019, 06:47 AM
i am not too desperate as i cam and im on daily pay. however it would be nice to go on a date and be paid $300 or something..
Protip- always throw out a high number when you negotiate dates- if you bargain down at least you get the minimum, and the guy understands the score.
ALL of these guys will pressure you for ...what they want whether you charge a little or a lot for meeting.
h0ttie
06-22-2019, 11:17 PM
^^ btw thanks ur tips have been super helpful
ive been saying 300 and they usually settle for 250 or 200. which i'm still ok with if i can tell they are gonna be easy to deal with.
should i start with 400-500? That feels so high but they like all claim they make 300k plus lmao
h0ttie
06-22-2019, 11:23 PM
Agreed, 100%. Fast-hustle sugaring can be done if you're an escort (meeting potential SDs for dinners / dates and hustling them into pay for play). But as a non-sexual SB (years ago), it took me a lot of time and filtering to find good opportunities. You can't really control how quickly you'll find a good fit - just like with vanilla online dating, there are only so many factors in your control.
Dancing is almost always the best option for fast, legal money.
yeah im learning its complicated to find a sugar daddy cuz they all wanna meet and talk and text and ofc most expect sex. im gonna see if i can kinda use the other sites tactics and get them to pay for a coffee or dinner date. ive never danced so thats out of the question and no escorting....its almost like i need an assistant to weed thru the bs and find me potential easy cash lmao
h0ttie
06-22-2019, 11:24 PM
I agree. A few years ago when I was in a pinch I fast hustled in a major metropolitan area and was so glad it worked out for me. HOWEVER (big catch here) my only good "catch" on Seeking Arrangement was a one-off situation and the other guys I dealt with ranged from lame/weird to creepy/potentially dangerous.
can i ask what you said to get them to meet and spend fast?? these guys seem sooooo slow. like i mean i get they arent trying to make moving money but still ...so much small talk that leads no where ive been experiencing
SnuffleUffleGrass
06-23-2019, 09:13 AM
can i ask what you said to get them to meet and spend fast?? these guys seem sooooo slow. like i mean i get they arent trying to make moving money but still ...so much small talk that leads no where ive been experiencing
Honestly I lucked out with that guy. He was very generous and appreciated that I had my own car. I don't have a tip for finding the fast hustles other than being accommodating when they hint at more than just dinner- you don't have to promise anything illegal...But you can "be accommodating."
Beware though the easy to deal with guys are the tiny minority. A LOT of these guys are creepy and cheap.
The other tip I can give is have ample photos to prove you're not a catfish- a couple guys complained to me that they had texted and emailed with girls and been stood up.
Ironically my personal feelings about sugaring is that it was not for me and it was too much work and headaches when I could just go strip instead. Some girls have a more ideal skill set for sugar arrangements. I think that's a whole other thread topic though......
miss.a.p1600
06-23-2019, 09:30 AM
can i ask what you said to get them to meet and spend fast?? these guys seem sooooo slow. like i mean i get they arent trying to make moving money but still ...so much small talk that leads no where ive been experiencing
I actually started a thread on this.
Most dudes even SDs are slow to spend on women cause they have a fear of being taken advantage of by some ROB, some catfish, or some highly advanced hustler who will leave them empty handed.
Men are slow to spend on gf, or anything that feels like a gf and this is why you have to be excellent at your seduction and sales skills.
The only time men spend fast is when they are paying for transactional dalliances (escorts, strippers, p4p, etc) or divorcing their wives.
Welcome to Tinder culture and male privilege 3.0 where men spend slow (if at all) and you have to talk them out of their wallet
charlie61
06-23-2019, 08:01 PM
Honestly I lucked out with that guy. He was very generous and appreciated that I had my own car. I don't have a tip for finding the fast hustles other than being accommodating when they hint at more than just dinner- you don't have to promise anything illegal...But you can "be accommodating."
Beware though the easy to deal with guys are the tiny minority. A LOT of these guys are creepy and cheap.
The other tip I can give is have ample photos to prove you're not a catfish- a couple guys complained to me that they had texted and emailed with girls and been stood up.
Ironically my personal feelings about sugaring is that it was not for me and it was too much work and headaches when I could just go strip instead. Some girls have a more ideal skill set for sugar arrangements. I think that's a whole other thread topic though......
Yeah, that was my experience. Felt like i did the emotional equivalent of 5 shifts for every decent payout during my stint as an SB. I much prefer being able to walk in to a club, work a shift, and leave it all behind afterwards (wad of cash in hand, no customers texting my personal phone, etc.). Being a zero-sexual-contact SB was exhausting.
I think it'd be much easier to be a low-volume, modest-earning SB who is open to sexual arrangements.
Where it'd get tough again, I'd imagine, is if you're an SB who has lofty financial goals and expensive tastes. That hustle is on a different level. Even if you're open to sexual arrangements, if you're looking to BANK, then i think it'd be tough to find guys in this day and age who can afford to support that lifestyle and are willing to do so (as the SB market is flooded, escorts are usually a more economical choice, and dating sites make it pretty easy to find company). I think SBs who succeed on that level consistently (like, not getting a guy to pay you $5k for a date once, but getting multiple SDs to finance an expensive lifestyle and monetary gifts sufficient to sustain the SB and replace her need for other sources of income over time) must have to offer an entirely different level of beauty and quality of company. Just my opinion based on what i've seen.
charlie61
06-23-2019, 08:19 PM
yeah im learning its complicated to find a sugar daddy cuz they all wanna meet and talk and text and ofc most expect sex. im gonna see if i can kinda use the other sites tactics and get them to pay for a coffee or dinner date. ive never danced so thats out of the question and no escorting....its almost like i need an assistant to weed thru the bs and find me potential easy cash lmao
Oh, yeah, that's like 90% of what SBs do. Weed through the back-and-forth bullshit and weed through all of the trolls, fake SDs, Splenda daddies, etc. Even if you had an SD now, money often dries up, requiring you to start the search all over again.
As a non-sexual SB, i was always super reserved when it came to flirtation and whatnot through text, because i didn't want them to get the wrong idea. But if you're open to sexual arrangements (which, by the way, is basically the same as being a low-volume escort - zero shade from me, just telling it like it is out of respect for escorts!), then you can be much more flirtatious and obvious.
Like i've said before, since the arrangement isn't openly transactional, it's much more difficult for both parties to find what they want. But you can obviously play around with saying things like, "I'm looking for someone to help make me more comfortable in my lifestyle, and in return, I'll be sure to find ways to make you very comfortable." Or whatever.
charlie61
06-23-2019, 08:20 PM
I know i have reeeeeeally long posts in this thread - i don't expect most people to read them, but i think new SBs appreciate having more info! :P
DonaDiabla
06-24-2019, 10:01 AM
I would like to add that you have an very tight and cultured hustle to get these men to spend fast as well. But I prefer an more slow burn hustle for sugaring overall.I can't speak to men being slow to spend on me but I have notice that it takes time to make sure I keep the arrangement to my liking. :)
I actually started a thread on this.
Most dudes even SDs are slow to spend on women cause they have a fear of being taken advantage of by some ROB, some catfish, or some highly advanced hustler who will leave them empty handed.
Men are slow to spend on gf, or anything that feels like a gf and this is why you have to be excellent at your seduction and sales skills.
The only time men spend fast is when they are paying for transactional dalliances (escorts, strippers, p4p, etc) or divorcing their wives.
Welcome to Tinder culture and male privilege 3.0 where men spend slow (if at all) and you have to talk them out of their wallet
SnuffleUffleGrass
06-24-2019, 10:03 AM
Here's my (usually controversial) advice on getting a decent Sugar Daddy- if you can get to know him first and he had a chance to form a feeling of bonding/caring to you, that helps more than being drop dead gorgeous.
A LOT of decent SDs choose that kind of arrangement when they're going through a hard period of life (divorce, death of a loved one, mid-life crisis.)
Obviously for a stripper that means you might meet him if he comes into your club, but this is often controversial and might cost you your ability to work there.
I feel like linking the song from the movie "Sweeny Todd" where the subject is beautiful women because yes, when you're young and beautiful you have a commodity that can bear great fruits for you. Men want that.
Unfortunately the dark side of this sort of thing is these men can be demanding and needy. & Many will stalk you afterwards. (Either via social media or actually showing up where you are.)