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VegasPrincess
09-19-2008, 01:35 AM
Okay, to those who asked :

Western Union requires your full name and the Zip Code you will pick the money up from. You also need to know the persons name phone number and zip from where it is being sent. I forget if they need your phone number or not, but they dont call or anything so a fake number is okay. You WILL need to show ID to get the money.

PayPal: If you set up a business account, they can see the business name but no other personal information. Business account is free BTW. I have a Pay Pal with a fake business name.

GreenCard: you can buy green cards at any store. In amounts from 20-500 dollars. When you go to reload your card you upload the number on the back of your new card to an existing card. They can buy a card and email you said number

GiftCards: Amazon or Victorias Secret can send you an ecard. While it is not cash, you can sell them on ebay for nearly the value of the card.

Aubreyyy
09-19-2008, 09:44 AM
I have had a very bad experience with my very first try at having a SD and would NOT recommend it under any circumstances! Steer clear and stick with dancing!

If you're smart, you shouldn't have a problem. Safety is paramount and precautions must be taken, but you CAN protect yourself easily until you get to know someone.

I'm curious to know what happened... but don't turn the other ladies off of a good money-making opportunity!

Like I've said (and I think everyone else exp with this has too), it is MUCHHHH different from dancing. It takes a good amount of "work" finding a good one if you just want to kick back and do whatever you want and still have the cash coming in- but I don't think anyone on here is looking for that.

misspthesweetesttaboo
09-19-2008, 10:22 AM
goin to MIA tonite to visit my sd...}:D

lexi2008
09-22-2008, 08:55 PM
If you're smart, you shouldn't have a problem. Safety is paramount and precautions must be taken, but you CAN protect yourself easily until you get to know someone.

I'm curious to know what happened... but don't turn the other ladies off of a good money-making opportunity!

Like I've said (and I think everyone else exp with this has too), it is MUCHHHH different from dancing. It takes a good amount of "work" finding a good one if you just want to kick back and do whatever you want and still have the cash coming in- but I don't think anyone on here is looking for that.

I took it very slowly picking my SD before I ever met him in person. It wasn't (mostly) the experience of what happened when I met him that was the bad part; it was what he proceeded to do after.

I'm not trying to turn other girls off a "good money making opportunity" but I think dancing is a lot safer for most women.

LittleMissy
09-24-2008, 11:19 PM
I think I'm falling in love with my SD :(

Aubreyyy
09-24-2008, 11:37 PM
^^^

NOT always a bad thing.

Unless you have a boyfriend...which happened to me. I still miss that guy :(

oulala
09-25-2008, 09:05 AM
How do you get over the humiliation and people staring at you when you're out together? I don't think I can handle it. My now ex SD took me on dinners, took me shopping, spent a LOT of money on me but in the end I felt like crap because everyone around us "knew."

Aubreyyy
09-25-2008, 10:13 AM
Are you from a small town?

I see guys in Vegas, LA and and NYC. The only looks I get are the same ones I'd get if I were alone dressed up that much. I guess its a little more customary though in those areas to see hot younger girls with older guys.

But I will admit that I haven't dated a single SD that wasn't attractive, so maybe I didn't get the looks b/c they weren't nasty ancient guys.

charlie61
09-25-2008, 03:40 PM
That's something I had to deal with. One of my SD's was horrendously ugly and fat....and LOUD. He'd talk to waitresses and just wouldn't stop. Then, when the waitress walked away, he'd try to convince me that I shouldn't be jealous. Yeah right!! I'm jealous???? Fuck off, man. I got sick of that shit sooo fast.

The "looks" was one of the big reasons I got out of the whole SD thing. I think most people thought I was just out with my father though.

oulala
09-25-2008, 06:03 PM
I live in a city of about 1 million or so, thus I'm not worried about seeing these people again. It was just unnerving that everyone was staring at me so blatantly, not even trying hide it. And he was OLD and fat and ugly. It was bad lol.

I forgot my ID in my car, so he stopped dinner just to drive back and get it (he thought then that I was underage!). As if that didn't give it away. I couldn't pretend I was just on a date with my dad from then on... ugh! Ladies, don't forget your IDs. I almost died.

LittleMissy
09-26-2008, 12:22 AM
^^^

NOT always a bad thing.

Unless you have a boyfriend...which happened to me. I still miss that guy :(

I'm... in that situation, I'm to a point where I'm about to say fk my bf he doesn't even appreciate me compared to my sd whose romantic as hell & does things like --- writes "I miss you" on a napkin of a place we just ate at & leaves it where I find them. :'(

Who do you end up missing? Your bf or sd??


How do you get over the humiliation and people staring at you when you're out together? I don't think I can handle it. My now ex SD took me on dinners, took me shopping, spent a LOT of money on me but in the end I felt like crap because everyone around us "knew."
I feel like I hit the jackpot when it comes to looks. My sd is gorgeous, only 8 years older than me and until this day I have NO IDEA why he would need to find a sb when he literally has girls crawling all over him when we're out. :O

It actually makes me pretty insecure since these women aren't ugly looking. Are only some things too good to be true or does that just count for everything....??

Aubreyyy
09-26-2008, 01:10 AM
I'm... in that situation, I'm to a point where I'm about to say fk my bf he doesn't even appreciate me compared to my sd whose romantic as hell & does things like --- writes "I miss you" on a napkin of a place we just ate at & leaves it where I find them. :'(

Who do you end up missing? Your bf or sd??



My SD!

If you really have feelings for him and know he'd take care of you, don't write it off just b.c of how the relationship began.

oulala
09-27-2008, 10:15 AM
Aw how sweet! I wish I felt so fondly about mine. lol

LittleMissy
09-30-2008, 08:54 AM
Oulala... you just gotta find the right one thats all :)


Aubreyyy thanks <3 <3 you're right. I'm going to wait to see where this goes.

oulala
10-04-2008, 01:29 PM
Okay, here's another question for you girls. The sugar daddy that I don't like (and just turned down the trip to Vegas with) told me multiple times that if I needed ANYTHING just to let him know. He said it many times in the span of about 10 minutes, and when I asked "Like how?" he said "Dough."

So, I'm too chicken shit just to come out and say it. What's a sweet way of asking for money? lol Is it even a good idea to take money like that, or will he think that I "owe him."

charlie61
10-04-2008, 10:30 PM
Well, even if he turns out to think that you "owe him" something, then it'll be a little too late for him to take it back, right? Usually these rich guys are pretty high profile, so if you have his information, then he wouldn't risk threatening you with anything--you'd report his ass.

Just throw a number at him--for car payments or anything. See how he reacts. Adjust accordingly. Make sure you slide in there "I just want to make sure you're okay with this...I really need the money, and I'd really appreciate it, but I want to make sure you're okaaaay with it...." etc. etc.

xsomnambulist
10-07-2008, 02:01 AM
Okay, so this is my first time doing the whole SD thing, and I'm really nervous:

I'm in Cali temporarily, and I've been using my stripper MySpace to network with guys hardcore, so that when I get back to PA, I won't have a hard time rebuilding a roster of regulars. Well, this guy contacted me, and said that he'd love to come in and spend money on me, and that whole deal. We start messaging back and forth, and he tells me that he'd totally be up to buying me a plane ticket back, so that he can get his lap dances. He says he's completely serious, and when I ask him what he'd want in return, he says, "Nothing. Do I have to want anything in return? Would it make you feel guilty if I got nothing?" Now, the other MySpace guys who randomly offered me a plane ticket wanted me to be their sex slave at least 3 times a week for a few months (nice, huh?), so this whole 'nothing' thing was pretty awesome. This conversation occured on a Wednesday, and he was gonna buy the ticket such that I got to PA that coming Monday, but I told him that they earliest I could even think about coming back was mid-November. He got all disappointed and asked why, and I frankly told him that I needed to get my money up before I moved all the way back across the country.

He goes, "Well, I guess I'll have to be your sugar daddy, then, huh?"
"What?"
"I'll take care of you, whatever you need."

I've verified that he owns an insurance company, so I don't assume that'd be much of a problem, but to be on the safe side, I DO want to have my own funds, and since there are no clubs out in this area (yay, high desert!), I'm doin' it the old-fashioined, check-every-two-weeks way.

He deals with that, and we continue chatting online and on the phone, like, every day, and he says he'll send me a webcam because I wanted one. It arrives and a couple of days later, I get something else from him -- I open it, and its a letter, a bound picture book that he wrote and illustrated about him finding me on MySpace, and a rubber chicken with nipples drawn on.

My question is whether or not I should be creeped out. I mean, we haven't met, and one's humor can be so misinterpreted without interacting with them in person. This could just be...his way of being funny, I guess. I'm not sure. However, I ran it past a friend of mine, and she said that it sounded like he was a little off-kilter. Its the whole "writing a book" thing that's throwing her off.

This same friend is moving back with me, and our original plan was to fly to PA on the same flight, but with him wanting to pick me up from the airport and spend a night in Pittsburgh, how do you think he'd feel about her coming, too? She'd pay for her own stuff, and I'd feel 847604 times better with her around, at least until I figure out how I feel about him, sanity-wise. :-\ With her or alone, I'm bringing a Tazer and a knife, so I think I'd be okay, regardless. Moreover, would you guys even bother meeting him (he hasn't bought the ticket yet)? I mean, I have about a month left, so I guess I have more time to feel him out, but where would you be right now? Anyone met any real creeps?

I readily admit that I might be over-reacting. I do that a lot - that's why I'm running it past people who have more experience with these things than I do. *shrugs* By all means, lemme know if I'm makin' somethin' outta nothin'.


ANYWAY, like I said, I'm a complete newb to this whole arrangement, so keep that in mind?
:-[

ahmeerah
10-07-2008, 06:45 AM
^^^^ Yo - he sounds like a hoto mess and it sounds like the makings of a twisted plot in a tv movie. Not to scare you but I wouldn't go. He seems a BIT obsessive. It seems potentially dangerous to meet him on his turf.

I would try finding a SD in a different way. I'm not experienced but I don't think doing it through MySpace is ideal. I also wouldn't want to market myself as a stripper first to a potential SD. It can send the wrong message.

Aubreyyy
10-07-2008, 06:52 AM
^^^ Yeah, the whoel book thing would skeeze me out too. And also, wtf is up with the chicken?

Why don't you just ask what was up with that? Does he have your real name and info and could hunt you down if you pissed him off?

gracieS
10-07-2008, 06:56 AM
^^ Yeah, ask him about that in a lighthearted way... I would also do whatever I could to have your friend come back with you at the same time, for safety and moral support.

charlie61
10-07-2008, 01:00 PM
^^ Agreed. And, as always, I'll advise to always go with your instincts, because the money really isn't worth the risk that's often involved.

Keep in mind that SD's are SD's for a reason. There is a REASON they aren't finding normal dates, etc. The chicken thing seems to be hinting at this.

ahmeerah
10-07-2008, 01:04 PM
^^^ Speaking of gut instincts, the fact that you're bringing this to the SW table in doubt seems like it might be your gut telling you something.

And yeah, there is a REASON they aren't finding normal dates. That's a good thing to keep in mind. :)

GOOD LUCK!

Aubreyyy
10-07-2008, 02:03 PM
Ladies, thats not always true!

I have met many men that I were completely surprised were doing this- especially in Manhattan. The reason being that if the money was involved, it made the women less likely to begin planning their marriage on the first date. :) (Which apparently happens all the time up there!

xsomnambulist
10-08-2008, 02:13 AM
Ah, thank you guys.

I asked him about the chicken, and he said it was just a joke, however there was no explaination for the whole book thing. He knows my last name, a PO Box, and where I work in PA, as its on the MySpace.

I might just...leave this guy alone.
>___________<

charlie61
10-08-2008, 03:05 AM
Ladies, thats not always true!

I have met many men that I were completely surprised were doing this- especially in Manhattan. The reason being that if the money was involved, it made the women less likely to begin planning their marriage on the first date. :) (Which apparently happens all the time up there!

Aubreyyy--you're also the one who happens to have HOT sugardaddies. Your situation is definitely the exception to the rule!!

Aubreyyy
10-08-2008, 08:56 AM
^^ I guess you're right. I've only actively searched those sites for guys in NYC or LA/Orang County...

LittleMissy
10-08-2008, 05:45 PM
I wanted to ask how many SD's have any of you had at on particular time?

I think I might feel bad if I pick up a second one but I really don't want to be attached to my current one since I always believe he has other SBs.

charlie61
10-08-2008, 05:50 PM
^^ Psh...fuck...I had like 5 at one time (no sex/sexual favors). Collect dem shitters like stamps, babe. They're gonna have more than one SB, and you're gonna have more than one SD. But...they don't have to know about it. }:D

ahmeerah
10-08-2008, 06:55 PM
Ladies, thats not always true!

I have met many men that I were completely surprised were doing this- especially in Manhattan. The reason being that if the money was involved, it made the women less likely to begin planning their marriage on the first date. :) (Which apparently happens all the time up there!

:D That's so true!

achick
10-08-2008, 09:42 PM
I've been working the sugar daddy thing for over a month now and I haven't found one yet. This is depressing. What sites are you using? I'm on wealthymen.com, seekingarrangement.com and sugardaddybabes.com.

honey55
10-08-2008, 09:59 PM
It hasn't been profitable but just an update :)

The guy I previously mentioned from SA.com was total fail.

Then, just a few days ago I was contacted by someone on SD.com. (I still had no pic up there because i wasn't
planning keep doing it much ) This guy who messaged me sounded okay saying he comes to my area frequently for business, but basically he's ugly and old in his profile pic. I messaged him back something sweet also mentioned there would be no physical relationship. THEN he replied me "You're seeking support but don't want to offer anything in return?"
....Sure you deserve some companionship without paying compensation ::)



Well, the good thing about this whole SD/SB thing reminded me that in the past there was this sweet regular customer who now lives in another country. Once, a few years ago he sent me some Christmas gift which was very thoughtful...and now I'm contacting him again and he just replied my e-mail sounds still sweet. Hopefully he will do something (and bigger) again!

I will have to re-read carefully this whole thread to learn more tips! :) :)

LittleMissy
10-09-2008, 02:16 AM
^^ Psh...fuck...I had like 5 at one time (no sex/sexual favors). Collect dem shitters like stamps, babe. They're gonna have more than one SB, and you're gonna have more than one SD. But...they don't have to know about it. }:D

hahah 5 at one time?! How do you find time to do anything else? :O My current SD is pretty high maintenance. He works a lot & wants to see me all the time on his free time. Which I guess isn't that much since he doesn't have much free time. I feel like he's a part time bf & I'm trying so hard not to get attached.

I was thinking maybe picking up a 2nd SD will get me over it. Non the less well said. <3 <3 <3 Love the "Collect dem shitters like stamps" comment. HAHA made me lol :D

charlie61
10-09-2008, 07:50 AM
hahah 5 at one time?! How do you find time to do anything else? :O My current SD is pretty high maintenance. He works a lot & wants to see me all the time on his free time. Which I guess isn't that much since he doesn't have much free time. I feel like he's a part time bf & I'm trying so hard not to get attached.

I was thinking maybe picking up a 2nd SD will get me over it. Non the less well said. <3 <3 <3 Love the "Collect dem shitters like stamps" comment. HAHA made me lol :D

Hahaha but seriously--go for it!! Go for it before you burn out of all of this SD shiznit.

*Raquel*
10-09-2008, 02:47 PM
Is this guy name Michael? I met someone who sounded like that on Match.com last year. I explained my date in a thread a while ago. He didn't pay me but I wasn't looking for a SD then, I wanted a boyfriend. He was a lush and I walked out in the middle of dinner after the second date. PM me if this is him.

OH MY GOD, no joke... I met the Michael dude. Same exact story, except he flew me in from Philly to Vegas, sent a limo to pick me up for dinner, talked a lot of shit about how he would give me craploads of money... ended up giving me a total of like $500, a new dress, and a hotel room in the Venetian Towers... he wanted sex and I kicked him out so he totally turned off room service/etc in the room... good thing I was leaving the next morning!! He's so orange in real life.. .seriously, way too much self tanner. He has a nice pad though, but he's definitely bullshit. One of my Vegas girlfriends also met with him... wonk wonk.

*Raquel*
10-09-2008, 04:15 PM
Just wanted to giveyou guys a heads up about a new site. I still have my free sd4me account active and recieved an email from a guy saying to try his new site elitemeeting.com. He was on the Bravo millionaire reality show and decided to start his own site from his own experience. I created my account and recieved very few emails. It might be because it's new or just plain old guys aren't interested in me. But anyways, I just wanted to share this with you all in hopes you try it and have better results. Supposedly they screen these guys to show you that they are true millionaires. I am actually meeting with the owner of the site tomorrow to discuss my experience and provide any more feedback as to how he can improve the site to our advantage. I told him I am part of a forum where we discuss these types of sites so your feedback will be relayed to him. Don't worry, I will not give him the name of this forum. I will post the details of my meeting with him here.

UPDATE: There was no meet. Long story short, I had a small girls night out with a few members from here before the meet. They suggest he come meet us. I told him and he began to toy with me. Then when I mentioned details about him to the girls, one of them knew of him! It turns out he trolls all the sugar daddy sites like SD, SD4me, wealthy men, etc. So we all began to toy with him to get him to come meet us. He even texted the girl that was with us! He wasn't having it. I feel like an idiot for initially planning to meet him where he was. He should have come to me, to US! LOL Oh well, we had a blast anyway. Try his site if you want but you've been warned about this guy here. His name is Tai.


Ha!! That's so funny... Tai is one of the owners of several of the SD sites. He's asked me out a million times as well as every other girl on the site. I used to have a whole sb connection thing going on with the sites... I created an elite sugardaddy group on myspace where a lot of the girls are. Anywho... I think he recently found a wife or something, according to a mutual friend of his/mine. He's now looking to do ANOTHER reality show on the sd4me.com and my friend is the talent agent... SO... since he claims to have found the love of his life, he might stop hitting on every single female on the sites. Here's hoping!

*Raquel*
10-09-2008, 04:47 PM
yeah, get this ball rolling again. I'm thirsty for knowledge.

I would like to know what girls charge for dates. I'm figuring if I can make $300/hr in a CR then I should be able to charge that or more an hour with a SD, right?

Dinner dates should usually be $500-$1000, no sex. If the money isn't exchanged at the beginning of the date or even mentioned, I'd find a way to excuse myself and go to work at the club, lol.

*Raquel*
10-09-2008, 04:50 PM
^^^

Use AlertPay. Totally exactly like Paypal, and allowed for Adult transactions. Create an account, and they'll mail a check to you. Use whatever rando email you want.

I just have to say, I love this girl, lol!! She knows EVERYTHING and from what I have read from you, Aubrey, your game is TIGHT.

knp001
10-11-2008, 10:06 PM
HELPHELPHELP!!!
I recently did tons of dances for this one guy, and we've been texting back and forth, and he is FOR SURE sugar daddy material. however, i'm pretty sure he expects sex. now, i tried to hold him off, and be like "well, i'd like to get to know you first. let's go out." he's like "i'll have eaten by that point, but i'd love to watch you eat."
how the hell do i get this to a more s.d. relationship and less...hookup relationship? I haven't done anything- trust me, i don't want to! but i would like this guy for a s.d.
how would i do that? any advice would be AMAZING!
thanks, girlies!

charlie61
10-11-2008, 10:40 PM
HELPHELPHELP!!!
I recently did tons of dances for this one guy, and we've been texting back and forth, and he is FOR SURE sugar daddy material. however, i'm pretty sure he expects sex. now, i tried to hold him off, and be like "well, i'd like to get to know you first. let's go out." he's like "i'll have eaten by that point, but i'd love to watch you eat."
how the hell do i get this to a more s.d. relationship and less...hookup relationship? I haven't done anything- trust me, i don't want to! but i would like this guy for a s.d.
how would i do that? any advice would be AMAZING!
thanks, girlies!

This guy sounds like a short stint. Doesn't mean, however, that he won't be a lucrative one.

Start hinting about reasons why you can't hang out with him. You have a phone bill, your car is broken, you don't have any cute clothes to wear, you can't hang out because you just HAVE to work because you NEED to make money for ________,etc. Just don't address the sex issue. This game is all about seeing how much you can get before he realizes that you aren't going to fuck him.

I know that sounds really cruel, but let's be honest; this game is about self-preservation. Few sugardaddies (with the exception of Aubreyyy's) actually care deeply about their SB's. Therefore, you shouldn't have to care about his issues. Just like the club. How much can you get out of him without giving him anything? It's all about the hustle.

knp001
10-11-2008, 10:44 PM
This guy sounds like a short stint. Doesn't mean, however, that he won't be a lucrative one.

Start hinting about reasons why you can't hang out with him. You have a phone bill, your car is broken, you don't have any cute clothes to wear, you can't hang out because you just HAVE to work because you NEED to make money for ________,etc. Just don't address the sex issue. This game is all about seeing how much you can get before he realizes that you aren't going to fuck him.

I know that sounds really cruel, but let's be honest; this game is about self-preservation. Few sugardaddies (with the exception of Aubreyyy's) actually care deeply about their SB's. Therefore, you shouldn't have to care about his issues. Just like the club. How much can you get out of him without giving him anything? It's all about the hustle.

thanks! i wanted to say that, but i knew it wouldn't sound as eloquent as that! that's exactly what i need to do. so if we go out to eat monday (i feel as tho i should meet him otc to make him realize i am willing) how should i avoid it? maybe, i have to go home, i have to catch the bus cos i don't have a car? or too much?
maybe...hmmm...i have to go to a friend's. she does my nails for a discount, i can't afford to have them done in a salon...how are those?
i'm about as graceful as a drunk elephant in a china shop, so i need step by step instructions! i'm not too great at subtlety...;D

knp001
10-11-2008, 10:46 PM
also, he keeps talking about sex! how do i avoid it if it's the main topic!!:-\ am confused!

charlie61
10-11-2008, 11:01 PM
^ Just hang it in front of him. "Well, just like in any normal relationship, we have to spend time getting to know each other first. Let's go shopping while we talk!"

If he's clearly looking for an escort in disguise or sexually available SB, then you might not be able to get past this.

charlie61
10-11-2008, 11:05 PM
thanks! i wanted to say that, but i knew it wouldn't sound as eloquent as that! that's exactly what i need to do. so if we go out to eat monday (i feel as tho i should meet him otc to make him realize i am willing) how should i avoid it? maybe, i have to go home, i have to catch the bus cos i don't have a car? or too much?
maybe...hmmm...i have to go to a friend's. she does my nails for a discount, i can't afford to have them done in a salon...how are those?
i'm about as graceful as a drunk elephant in a china shop, so i need step by step instructions! i'm not too great at subtlety...;D

It's just like being a stripper--which can be all about subtlety. Use the same stuff you use in the club except applied to real life situations. If you aren't good at conversational subtlety, then you'd probably best stick to club work. The SD/SB stuff is a VERY tenuous kind of relationship (in many cases). You have to pretend to not want his money while simultaneously prying it from him. I found it exhausting.

Tylenol Jones
10-12-2008, 10:10 PM
Charlie, I would disagree with you and say that most Daddies don\'t want to hear about your money issues.

Desparation isn\'t a good look- and it\'ll make them think you\'ll do anything for money, and get more bang for your buck.

Obviously they know the name of the game- time is money, money is time. BUT I\'ve always been an advocate of taking care of business first, then doing NOTHING on the \"date\" to remind them that you\'re hired- preserves your longevity and to be honest will make you more money. When they forget they\'re paying you is when the money really flows- thats how to get someone to actually care for you like a friend, instead of being a stripper they\'re trying to bang.

The ultimate SD/SB relationship is close- you want to feel comfortable enough with them that you don\'t feel like its a chore, and you want them to like you enough to WANT to help you, even if that means you aren\'t having sex.

I know, its a somewhat Utopian dream, but its attainable.

charlie61
10-12-2008, 10:21 PM
^^ You're right--they don't really want to hear about it. It depends on the kind of relationship you want to have, though.

I had a guy wire me $1500 after 1 (count it, one!) phone conversation where I happened to mention I was having car problems. And this wasn't an unusual guy--I've had other SD's do similar things after I subtley mentioned that I needed money.

Now, here's where you're right: a longer relationship would likely have to be based on a much more balanced give-and-take thing. But it all depends on what you want to get out of the SD/SB experience.

Tylenol Jones
10-12-2008, 10:33 PM
Charlie,

Email me at [email protected] I have informashunz for you :)

charlie61
10-12-2008, 10:41 PM
^^ Not sure any information would be relevant for me. My SD/SB phase lasted 1-2 months. I got out of it really, really quickly. And I'm done (with no desire to return) with all of that. I provide information in this thread based on that fact. Any of Aubreyyy's advice, therefore, is much more reliable than mine--I'm not pretending to be an expert!

However, I did interact with a fairly high number of SD's in that short time period, on a no-sexual-contact basis....so I definitely have experience off of which to base my advice. If my advice sounds sketchy to you, then that's fine: we each have our own opinions and techniques relating to this subject.

Tylenol Jones
10-12-2008, 10:45 PM
I was going to invite you to a yahoo group b/c you\'ve offered a lot of good advice :)

But ok, cool!

charlie61
10-12-2008, 10:47 PM
Ah, I gotcha. I assumed that you were horrified by my naivete. :P

Tylenol Jones
10-12-2008, 10:49 PM
No! (and I promise I\'m not random either :P )